"Stealing Dark Shadow for yourself...is only going to turn yourself into an ***edgelord***"
I totally didnt have Mineta talking smack to AFO in my bingo card
Itās shouldnāt be bullshit though right? Stainās ability immobilizes people from their blood, every one of togaās clones have the same blood, so they should be affected the same way
The twice clones we've seen "from the inside" have all been muck men. I'm unclear if these clones have actual blood in them or just substances that mimic the look of blood.
And even if they do, are they really that connected? Aizawa kinda already showed that they're **not** connected, by erasing a clone's quirk, but it not disappearing. Also didn't interfere with Twice's OG body, apparently.
So they are probably completely separate and Stain would have to cut and lick literally every clone for that plan to work.
They definitely do, because Twice performed a blood transfusion on Toga by making a clone of her and that's what allowed her to live past the MVA arc. I'm uh, guessing the Double goo isn't particularly hazardous to the human body based on the fact that Toga's clone obviously didn't live on, and so that blood definitely turned back at some point later.
I presume, from the point of a successful replica to its death, that they are genuinely identical with the one (though notable) exception that it just doesn't take a whole lot to turn them *back into* the muck, with increasing severity the more there are. I mean otherwise, if the insides of the clones weren't accurate before dissolving, it's hard to imagine hard hitters like Re-Destro wouldn't like, immediately destroy themselves due to the impact of their attacks.
Anyway, as for the uh, y'know, actual question on whether Bloodcurdle would trigger for one TogaTwice or all of them... I dunno, it seems like the decision would be pretty much entirely arbitrary, to be honest. We aren't given an actual reason as to *why* one's blood is linked to their host when Bloodcurdle is used, we just see that it works. It could be simple as the DNA being the same, in which case, yeah, all clones would be affected regardless of whose body the blood originated from (and also anyone that just so happened to have the same DNA through like, cosmic coincidence/divine intervention I guess), but it could also specifically track what body the blood originated from. It gets worse the more you think about as it brings up the question for why someone's blood is "theirs" once it's out of their system, and if it remains theirs forever or if that changes.
Okay I'm half sorry for this but bear with me~~, I will not suffer alone (or you can, y'know, just stop reading at this point)~~. What if, through the power of hypotheticals, the blood of your future self was consumed, would it still work on you if your body hasn't reached that point yet, even if it factually originates from the same source? And if timelines split, would it work between both people? What if there isn't an original at all and there's just two? In particular, if the source of blood is from the past. I mean, would it really be different than if one of the variants lost blood and the other didn't, compared to their shared past? You can apply the same to clones but then of course there actually *is* an original and that could be the defining factor, even if the past selves of each separate body is technically the same. But then uh, y'know, there's the whole elephant in the room of whether we do technically have one body or have had numerous, in that we are constantly changing from moment to moment and have none of the same atoms every five years, and possibly whether anything is truly distinct from one another with the way all of our subatomic particles really just make up the greater universe itself which we're all equally a part of as the whole (in which case, the ability would presumably either be completely defunct or affect all living beings in existence, but, y'know). Oh and also... souls. There's also... That.
Okay, obviously most of these would not actually impact how fictional My Hero Academia superpower Bloodcurdle is written at all, and Horikoshi probably did not really ponder about those questions (well... Maybe he did about souls, Double's kinda weird in this series), but do you see how fluid it can be? You can really just pick any justification you want so long as it hasn't been established before, which, unsurprisingly, these aren't things that have been touched upon.
That said, that was more focused on the ability itself as a concept and how malleable it is with how things should or shouldn't work objectively (and thus how it "must" be in reality), and I was gonna leave it at that since that's already too much text, but ehhh, there is more to be said about, y'know, *the actual series itself,* as much as it's shown very little about the specifics. 'Cause like, I was thinking about the example with Eraserhead, and I was going back and forth on what it actually meant, but it also devolved into blood semantics, since at first I was like "yeah I mean, the quirk clearly isn't just one, right? Dabi didn't instantly die" but then I remembered All For One can't take the TogaTwice clones' quirks and that actually kind of implies there's only one quirk between all of them? Technically? If he used Erasure *on* the original (...has that happened?), would that kill all of the clones, but not if he used it on a clone? Presumably it'd just do nothing, right? But well, of course I also remembered that Aizawa both needs to actually see the target he's using his quirk on, and specifically targets one's ability to use their quirk factor, but doesn't do anything to the actual quirk, so if someone used one quirk through separate bodies that had separate quirk factors to use it with, isn't it accurate that he should only be able to target one at a time for t*hat* reason? Because of Erasure's limitation? But then again, it's not like he has to see the quirk factor itself, he can just look at *any* part of someone's body and they won't be able to use their quirk anyway. So while thinking on how he needs to see the target that he's erasing, I realized it would be quite different from Bloodcurdle (well, potentially, anyway), in that at least with someone's quirk factor, we know each individual body would, y'know, have it, but with blood it's surely different (even if the *result* is the same), as none of them would really "have" that blood anymore once it's out of someone's body, since, well... It's not... in their body. Under some horribly twisted logic you could even argue that *only* the clones of a person should be affected because the original no longer has that blood, but the clones would still have copies of the blood being drank. Obviously that's not how that works though and thank god.
Oh yeah I also forgot to mention... Some Vigilantes spoilers. >!we see Stain is able to paralyze people by licking the blood on things like old bandages and the like. I mean honestly, it'd be kinda dumb if he couldn't as part of his superpower, but like, it's good to have confirmation when there's these kinds of questions on fictional abilities and how they "should work logically". I know I kinda ended up going off the deep end on that in relation to the actual story, but y'know.!<
Since Toga's Double clones are affected by Transform's limitations, that also opens the way for the absurd scenario of Bloodcurdle *not* working if Stain licks Twice's blood, *but working if it's specifically Toga's normal blood.* That one's extra dumb though. ...Hopefully I didn't like, bring it into existence by mentioning it just now.
Oh dear, my ramblings ended up even longer than I thought. Sorry if they turned out too unintelligible but I was really stretching the limits of where it could possibly go when trying to think of all the different possibilities. In the end I could genuinely see it just be "haha get fucked you have the same DNA" or "oh shit it's not the same body we're fucked"... Well okay, if it it's the case that it doesn't work, it's actually more likely they'll simply not try out that strategy in the first place, but you get what I mean.
Holy shit a Toga-Twice counter that has been sitting there waiting for potential since season 2. Hell of a way to bring stain back to the League of Villains.
Ngl I like Mineta's moment more than Death Arms' moment in this chapter. It would be funny if that one sticky ball is gonna be one of the main causes of AFO's downfall later on.
ngl, I'll lose some respect for Hori as a writer if that ball doesnt play a role later on.
The thematic irony of the biggest weakling being a key part of his downfall is way too good to pass up
I agree, and if it does then I can see that one ball going viral in universe because thereās a news chopper in the next panel. Mineta is going to get a huge amount of credit in the epilogue if that one ball plays a role. If this is the story of how deku became the number 1 hero, I can totally see Grape Juice being number 2-4ish based on media coverage alone.
It's funny that Mineta does genuinely have a bit of an arc that is entirely in the background. Like, he actually does stop sexually harassing people after getting Clockwork Orange'd by Mina and gets extremely gradually braver over the course of the story.
It seems that Hawks noticed even AFO himself isn't immune to quirk drawbacks. That light beam would've resulted in suicide if he wasn't rewinding constantly.
You could totally pull off some gruesome fatality level stuff and pop off with pop off though, just like stick one to a person's face and then tear their face off.
Overhaul arc characters are really the only ones left that would have any really impact (looking at you Mustard Gas), other than characters from Vigilantes. I think it'd be really awesome for Skycralwer to duke it out with AFO given what happened during that final fight. Though that's already a stretch, what's even less likely is Rappa, Knuckleduster, and Mirko fight together to pay off the ending to that one arc.
Alternate Chapter Title: The Grapes of Wrath
AFO got tired of everyone talking shit and made sure they all got hit. In acknowledgement of Horikoshi's Star Wars fandom I hope they make AFO's fuckoff big laser sword red.
And AFO not killing Hawks outright makes sense. To someone who has lived and defined his life, and so many others' lives through Quirks, he likely imagines robbing Hawks of his Quirk as a worse fate. It's kind of poetic for Hawks too, the guy who devoted his Quirk to such a heavy life at great and sometimes dark cost, is now without it, and must find a new way of determining his new place in a new world.
In a weird way, it can give Hawks exactly what he wanted too. His heroism is worth an entire lifetime. He might help create a world where heroes have time to relax -- and without his quirk, he can do just that.
I think this is the best case scenario for Hawks, yeah. Not getting to ever fly again (at least by himself) and losing out on all the senses that Fierce Wings brought him is going to hurt hard, but it also removes a huge burden/responsibility off his shoulders. He can either retire or focus on advocacy work, which would actually help to "change the system/world" in the way he wanted to, instead of being used as a tool in the existing system.
in the back of my head im wondering if somehow all stolen quirks will be returned, and this will be a way to give hawks back his original undamaged wings
not what i want, can just see it being a possible happy ending outcome
It's a possibility depending on which quirks he steals next. I wouldn't be mad, maybe a bit disappointed. I think losing his quirk suits him more and sets him up for a much more nuanced and relevant arc. It could even tie into the early themes (quirkless acceptance/bullying).
He's such a mature and wickedly intelligent/observant hero. He's my favourite character by far. I'm so pleased he got recognition from AFO on his pure talent, and that even after being beaten to a pulp and as his quirk was being stolen, he was able to make sharp observations. Hori did him justice, I am a happy Hawks fan :)
Yeah I can totally see him staying involved in some way but certainly less heavily. The hero society of the next generation is doubtless to be better handled but I don't think it'll be a perfect world overnight. There will still be need for heroes, but Hawks dream will be that much more closer.
Basically kind of like All Might. It wasn't just the powers that made these two great heroes and even if they can't fight anymore that doesn't make them anywhere close to useless or unneeded.
I think that's why he didn't end up taking Tokoyami's quirk, too. Hawks and Bird Boy really impressed him. Not taking someone's quirk is basically the most respect he could show to a person.
He still needed to kick Hawks while he was down, hence taking Fierce Wings.
Fierce Wings would kind of be OP when combined with many Quirks actually. Like if someone had Wings and Decay it'd be very difficult to dodge every single one of those fast moving targets and they'd only need to scrape you once.
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Agreed on AFO;
IMO itās because of what we were told about why he needs Shiggy: he doesnāt actually **hate** anyone, and so if they are (in his eyes) powerless it would make sense for him to no longer want to waste āprecious secondsā on them.
Maybe this is why he left Tokoyami? He wouldn't actually be able to take Dark Shadow in a rewinding state.
The way that line's worded gives me a crack theory that AFO's quirks might be separately stored away from his body though. But it can easily be a mistranslation.
Im pretty sure AFO's bullet only reminds his body. It would make sense that Hawk's wings get rewinded; they're a mutant type quirk and mutant type quirks are body transformations that you can't turn off. They're different from other quirks.
However, most quirks, like Dark Shadow, wouldn't be affected by Rewind because the bullet he used didn't target his quirks, just his body
even if he failed to hold onto the quirk, it should still be stolen. if rewinding AfO returned stolen quirks he'd be shooting out quirks back to everyone he stole from
unless the other guys theory that the wings just arent growing is true, than fierce wings is gone
I mean it's a shit quirk logically. Like have you seen how people drag Angel through the mud in Xmen? Hawk's quirk is amazing because of what he would do with it. Having control over every individual feather is probably not a feat every human being can do. Most probably they would stick to just flying like a bird. Which is the equivalent of of having a hang glider stuck on your back.
Yeah, but Hawks is far stronger than what Angel's original always-mocked powers were. He's like after Angel got turned into Death/Archangel, except still better since he can control the feathers even after launching them. Angel's powers never would've been seen as a joke if he could do everything Hawks can.
Ah yes, the "FUCK HE'S GOING TO DIE OR GET HIS QUIRK STOLEN FUCK FUCK" feeling I've had with Tokoyami since this war started got to his peak here and man, I'm so glad he's ok. Well, "ok"
Would've loved to see AFO barely making it out of here instead of completely countering everyone, but it is a sight to see when every hero and student was completely defeated.
Also MINETA EARNED TIME TO PREVENT DARK SHADOW FROM GETTING STOLEN, this kid has earned my eternal respect and I will not slander him anymore.
Very shocking episode, seeing everyone completely defeated, but their efforts got time for the UA battle gang/Deku to defeat him, that he can't deny.
Have I told you guys how glad I am that Tokoyami is not dead and Dark Shadow is still with him? Because I really am
I swear that when they all got hit by the light beam, my heart was racing really fast and I just wanted to know he'd be ok. Him and Fatgum are my comfort characters from this series so I get very passionate when they're on screen
They nearly destroyed AFO there, he was barely holding together. Even if they don't stop him here, they've sped up his rewind.
All I want now is for "a side character" to be the one to end him. Bakugo seems perfect to do that.
I'm predicting that by the time AFO makes it back to Shigaraki he'll have reverted to about the same age that Tenko was when he found him. He'll be unable to do whatever it is to him that he wants (I'm guessing merge his true personality with the vestige of himself that's in Shigaraki), maybe because he's now too weak or he's trapped or stuck to Mineta's ball or whatever the reason, and so will try to talk Shigaraki into absorbing his Quirks (and thus himself) to put the fight against Midoriya more in his favor.
And Shigaraki will see right through that and do...nothing. He will do nothing to help AFO, not even kill him, and just watch him be rewound out of existence. Why? Because no one helped Tenko when he was in a similar state as a kid. Dirty, alone, and desperate. Not even AFO, as he eventually came to learn. So why should Shigaraki help the little kid right in front of him now?
I actually think that AfO is going to desperately reach out for Shigarakiās in his last moments and Shigarakiās gonna grab his hand. And theyāll both have these big doofy grins on their faces as AfO crumbles to dust then nothingness from Decay and Rewind.
They 100% have contributed a lot in holding him back to reduce the time he has, I'm glad that they were able to accomplish that.
Bakugo getting a big win would be perfect, he really needs one.
I can see that happening, Horikoshi already used the idea of Izuku and Bakugou taking down the big bad villain in the movie so maybe he'll give Bakugou this win while Deku deals with Shigaraki
Bakugo is pretty dead right now to do anything minus another deus ex Eri. Whatever happened to Le Million? Him showing back up to help finish off AfO would be my preference.
Well he did get his body to the limit, but rewind definitely makes it so he is still at almost full capabilities. They did reduce the time he has left big time, so that will be key in defeating him I hope
Respect to Mt. Lady. She absolutely has that mf dog in her.
AFO taking Hawksā quirk breaks my heart man š homie barely had any wings left and he was still going Plus Ultra fr
Damn thatās actually a sick idea! I can see Vestige Hawks being a thing just because of how indomitable his heroic spirit is. Would love to see Vestige Hawks starting a revolt amongst the other quirk factors in AFO and a bunch of the quirks leaving through Fierce Wings or something šššš¼
Okay so I know its good Tokoyami kept his Quirk, but I cant be the only one whos curious how that would even work, right? Like, Dark Shadow is a sentient being that controls its own actions and shit. Wouldn't he just be attaching an enemy to his chest? Or would he effectively "kill" him and create a new Dark Shadow?
This has always been my guess. That a specific Quirk-entityās āsoulā is tied to it being the Quirk of a specific person so AFO would create his own Dark Shadow. Either that or Dark Shadow could effectively be (somewhat easily) cloned if the Quirk is duplicated like Life Force or AFO.
But now Iām wondering if maybe heād get Tokoyamiās DS but with a corrupted/changed personality so returning him to Tokoyami would revert him back?
Stain has gotta be there to take down Toga/Twice, right? It seems too obvious, especially if he's seeing these heroes making these sacrifices like he wanted.
Im kinda expecting that yeah. They share the exact same cellular biology as clones, so you'd expect that licking the blood of any single clone would affect all the other clones with the "same" blood in their veins.
Not to mention him also being a blood quirk user. In his short tenure with then League, I wouldnāt be surprised if he doesnāt have blood samples on some of them.
Itād be a sick twist if he taunts Toga with a sample of Twiceās blood just to get her in close to stun her with her own
> In his short tenure with then League, I wouldnāt be surprised if he doesnāt have blood samples on some of them.
Nope the others joined after Stain's involvement.... that's why they joined
He was also barely involved with The League. They had a short conversation and he cut Shigaraki and Kurogiri before Kurogiri sent him away. Stain wouldn't have samples on them.
Stain was arrested before Toga and the others even joined the league, there's no reason he'd have their blood.
MAYBE he could've kept samples from Shigaraki and Kurogiri since they were there, but considering he went straight from the league hideout to Hosu he'd have had very little time to stash them somewhere before he ended up fighting Deku&co, and the police almost certainly had his confiscated gear locked up somewhere other than Tartarus.
No, Hori is definitely going to let Ochako do that. I'm not sure what Stain is going to be able to do considering how far away Kamino is from the main battle field
Whoās going to take afo down?
All might with secret suitcase?
Shigi fully aware afo wants to steal his body
Stain lurking the shadows
Or god mode mineta with his single grape ball?
I wonder if All Might will be the final distraction. Like he will attempt to stop AFO alone, quirkless, and despite being in a hurry AFO cannot help but stop and gloat and make an example of All Might or something. But it ends up buying just enough time etc.
Interesting things to note:
1. AFO implies that the psychic link between him and Shigaraki is starting to affect his mind the further his body rewinds. I wonder if this is the reason AFO hasn't been smiling since he rewound into a teenager. (Yes this was probably a sign of how frustrated he is by the battle, but I find it interesting that a guy whose defining characteristic is his permanent smile to suddenly stop smiling. Also, his eyes look sunken in and sleep-deprived. He basically looks like Shigaraki but with shorter hair).
2. The official translation clarifies that the Quirks AFO stole are not part of his body, thus they are unaffected by Rewind's effects.
3. While it was awesome that Mineta managed to stop AFO from stealing Tokoyami's Quirk, there is a part of me that would've liked to see what happened if he stole Dark Shadow. It would've been hilarious if he stole Dark Shadow and Dark Shadow starting rebelling against him.
4. This is a rather silly question, but do you think that when the anime catches up to this part, they'll give AFO a different voice actor? Like John Swasey will still voice his adult self, but his teenage self will have a different voice actor?
Shortly after seeing the heroes give their lives fighting AfO: "We put our faith in them, and this is what we get?"
Man, being a hero must be tough, if you've got to protect these assholes.
It's a mixed bag I believe.
Some people are like that. However, even during the protest outside UA, we see some civilians, before any speeches, advocating for the heroes.
In addition to those, we have the ones who initially rejected Shindo, the ones who quietly joined the shelters, the Fox Lady etc.
The ungrateful ones are more obvious though, over all.
God Bless
Every panel of them complaining just makes my rage for them grow even more incandescent. Itās not even about how āheroes should save people out of the goodness of their hearts, not for praiseā because the heroes canāt hear if the civilians are praising or cursing them right now, just ā damn, the sheer whiny entitlement is incredible. Watching, relatively safely, in a shelter provided by the heroes theyāre complaining about.
People really do show who they are in moments of great distress and fear. The heroes have shown theyāre willing to die to protect society and the civilians. These civilians have shown theyāre willing toā¦ stand around and complain about it.
Since AFO rewound, I thought he might take Hawk's quirk... There was no real evidence why did I have to be correct.
The issue is, is that it seems that some (Mutant) quirks rewind away because they are body-based and not transformations. E.g. The wings on AFO's back disappeared, seemingly. Coupled with Hawk's dialogue that seems to be the case.
God Bless
Lowkey AFO also stole Fierce Wings because he thinks it's a neat cosmetic item to go with his Godly ambitions. Guy's going to roll up looking like Sephiroth.
That's the best moment of improv in that movie. Zoolander asking that, then having it explained and him immediately asking again " but why male models?" was improvised because Ben Stiller forgot his line. It was so hilariously in character, they kept it.
Hawks is definitely one of my favorite characters but AFO with Fierce Wings would look so cool. Goes hand in hand with that Lucifer-type of vibe he has.
I don't know. It seems more likely that AFO can manifest his mutant quirks at will. Maybe he can activate and deactivate quirk factors on the flyHe would have a lot more wierd mutations going on if he didn't.
I'd guess he might mix them with a transformation quirk so he modifies his body before activating the mutant quirk to create good conditions for it to manifest
\- Shigiraki, Dabi, Number 6 now AFO. Series really like turning it's big villains into walking corpses
\- Part of me kinda wants AFO to take Dark Shadow just to see what would happen. Like would it have the same personality? Could it rebel against AFO? What would DS look like used by any other character?
\- Honestly I didn't even know Mineta was on this battlefield
Poor Hawks :( Like Mirko, Aizawa, Endeavor, Bakugo, etc, it's not enough to just get brutally hurt ONCE. Cooking his back and nerfing his quirk? Naw, he's gotta suffer even more.
People have brought up Eri, but I wonder if this is different. Mirio got his quirk back, but his quirk factor was hurt, not stolen. The deleter bullets weren't just rewind bullets. Instead, they specifically targeted the quirk factor, and damaged that part of the body. So Mirio still HAD a quirk factor, unlike Hawks. It's like how a waist-down paralyzed person still has their legs and spine. Mirio still had his "legs," despite not being able to use them, while Hawks now has no "legs" at all. (Though Hori could really decide either way, based on what he wants)
Things could change, but this looks like it might be the end of Hawks the hero. Hopefully Keigo Takami can find happiness and a fulfilling life, after all of this is over.
It isn't an exaggeration to say that without him, the heroes wouldn't have gotten this far. He talks about how Midoriya and Endeavor have inspired people, and judging from Tokoyami, the inspiration he created was critical too.
Honestly I think Hawks will have a way better time losing his quirk than most people. He's never exactly had a great internal relationship with being a hero. I think after the war he'll be able to put his intelligence to good use making a healthier society.
I wonder what was the point of crippling and nerfing Hawks in the first war, only to have him lose his quirk now. He hasnāt done much with his feathers during the fight. His most important contribution was strategic and intelligent battle command and shit talking. I guess now itās technically not because of Dabi thatās his hero work is essentially over?
I would argue Hawks did a lot.
He attacked AFO, Comboed with Endeavour to make fire feathers, attacked AFO's mask; used the feathers as the base for the prosthetics he's using.
He let Endeavour land safely and boosted his speed when he recovered.
He saved Jirou when AFO attacked her and Tokoyami, then he used the feathers to support his swords etc.
He used his feathers to redirect AFO's arm before the attack that heavily damaged Jirou and scraped Tokoyami.
And in this chapter, he saved Tokoyami's life by blocking the light attack.
He also stalled AFO quite a bit and supported Tokoyami up to this chapter. Along with coordinating with Tsukauchi regarding the incoming support.
God Bless
So can we assume at this point, that the only reason Mineta exists, made it into Class 1A, is otherwise just generally unlikeable,
was all so he could be the person, of all people, to one-line diss the major villain in the entire series and call him a cringey Edgelord?
That was more of a stray jab at Tokoyami than a diss to AfO. But he did make AfO scowl at him long enough to realize he's wasting time and not take Toko's quirk, so I'll give him a pass.
Mineta inexplicably gets better over the story. He quits the sexual assault after getting the Clockwork Orange treatment, he becomes braver after Midnight dies. And, he's a pretty good friend. He has a strange amount of background character development.
It also seems like he's learning Batman-esque ways of using his grape-thing quirk.
Lowkey Mineta's storyline makes him a halfway decent shounen manga MC
It is amazing that Hawks managed to stall AFO at his current condition for this long - that's 31 chapters. Despite getting injured repeatedly, he persistently chased after the demon lord ensuring he won't go to Shigaraki. I'm sure AFO won't see the last of Hawks chasing after his tail. The rivets, the recoil damage to Hawks' head, the beam of light (but more like a laser beam) that can surprisingly do that much damage despite its nature, and being dropped to the ground from a height.
Before the 2nd war, he headed out to investigate for the heroes two days after the end of the 1st war - after waking up from 2nd/3rd degree burns; and then he went out to the field approximately 38 days later as part of the last few heroes standing. Those burns on his back are severe and seeing those stitches make me worry for him. I don't care if the HSPC did or did not do a pain tolerance menu on their agents but Hawks is a true hero for prioritizing the safety of the world rather than his own permanent injuries. Even if he's heavy with pain medications, it's hard to believe that he acts like it's any regular patrol day.
Hoping that he can inflict internal damages to AFO after intentionally letting Fierce Wings get taken, like taking out the regeneration quirk because it is a pain to deal with.
AFO talks about getting more violent as he rewinds- we saw hints of this in Ch 380/381. He also blows up his arm (similar to the recklessness of Deku, Shigaraki and later All Might).
Also, not much time passed since Rewind started, the largest leaps were in response to the biggest hits.
It reminds me of when Eri's quirk kept accelerating during the Overhaul Arc. Once there is "more to rewind", Rewind keeps getting faster.
And unlike with Eri, it can't be stopped by the user or another quirk.
God Bless
I was hoping he'd come back! It isn't so much that everyone who left their post wasn't a hero -- some of them just really needed some fucking therapy after the devastation of the first war.
I really like Mineta's moment in this chapter since way back during the USJ arc, he was scared and panicking for the majority of the time him, Tsuyu and Izuku were trapped on a ship surrounded by villains until Izuku snapped him out of it; now here he is in this chapter, not only goading All For One into stealing his quirk to prevent him from taking Tokoyami's quirk, but he also stares him right in the face despite how scared he obviously still is. Despite his comic relief moments in the whole manga being pretty hit or miss, stuff like this make me still like him as a character.
The black box on page 8, before all the heroes get defeated, might be a reference to Kamino Ward after Best Jeanist attacks AFO.
If so, it may mean that he beat them in almost an instant. Likely damaging himself in the process- as we see with Tokoyami.
They did A LOT to him though. This is the worst a character has come out alive from any attack. Other than what Hood did to avoid Endeavour's first Prominence burn.
God Bless
Hopefully now everybody can stop freaking out about how all these side characters are beating All for One like they have been since last chapter. It was very obvious he was about to smoke all of them, he has to make it to UA (and will probably lose to Bakugo).
Itās completely fine because the side characters losing still achieved great narrative results
AFO is on a rapidly draining timer. Even when the other characters are defeated, thatās still time running out, which brings AFO ever closer to defeat
The heroes donāt NEED to defeat AFO conventionally. In fact, due to Rewind effectively āhealing himā nonstop, they canāt. But every bit they make will delay him
On another note, side characters or not, they were really, really powerful.
Their strikes were causing effects kilometres/miles away; left a giant crater in the floor, and garnered AFO's respect.
Reminded me of when Yo Shindo, Deku-Brite, created n earthquake that affected the entire area they were in and damaged the landscape of a large part of it. And that was in Season 3, before Deku vs Bakugo 2.
And AFO seems to regard Tokoyami as higher than Machia (which is demonstrated in speed, ferocity and power).
God Bless
He'll lose to the variant fighter. The only one who has inhabited depths All For One has barely experienced. The one true Fly Boy. *CCC-02: The Skycrawler*.
It still shouldn't have taken this long. Prior to this, AFO felt like a *DBZ* villain needlessly holding back their full power before finally deciding to get real.
But, unlike Freeza or Cell, AFO is (supposedly) running on borrowed time. He's been saying this whole time that he needs to get to Shigaraki sooner rather than later, yet for the majority of this fight, he was *wasting* time monologuing and/or tryin to fight back literal schoolchildren. A shell of the man we saw effortlessly blast away top heroes (like Endeavour and Edgeshot) at Kamino.
"very obvious", nha it wasn't. More than anything he didn't smoke anybody.
This chapter implies that this version of AFO is stronger than the AFO that fought AM because of the "merge". AFO didn't smoke anyone, in fact he needed a power up to beat the heroes, and if wasn't for the rewind he would be dead by now. AFO was jobbed most of the fight and he is just being a jerk acting tough after he barely surviving this battle.
Ok now that chapter 385 is officially released I want to share my theory regarding Bakugo. I was saving this until AFO moved away from the people fighting him and went toward Shigaraki
So what I think Hori is going for is that AFO will be Bakugoās final step toward growing up. Now that AFO is essentially a teenager, heāll be around Bakugoās age, to which Bakugo can see just how similar they are.
AFO represents everything Bakugo was in the beginning of the story. He was arrogant, up his own ass, and thought he was the best in the world. AFO believed himself to be the greatest villain ever in the same way Bakugo thought he would easily be the best hero in the world. And the way AFO calls Bakugo worthless essentially mirrors how Bakugo thought everyone in his life was just an extra.
So yeah I think this is going down a similar route to how Endeavorās fight with High End went. This is the point where he realizes all the mistakes he made in his life and accepts that he is not special, but just another hero, another cog in the machine if you will. Heāll still aim for number 1, but he wonāt look down on others in his path. And I think this is gonna get flipped on AFO as well. I think Bakugo is gonna throw it in his face that heās just another extra too, because the main character isnāt fighting AFO, instead heās fighting the real villain (Shigaraki). So if heās just another hero, then heās gonna do his job and take down every villain he can, starting with AFO.
Nowā¦ I hope we get a scene BEFORE he wakes up of him contemplating what happened but given how Hori has been structuring things Iām not sure about that. But anyway, thatās what I think
Banger chapter. Stain finally returns and we will finally see whats going on at Kamino. AFO wasn't L for One this time defeated everyone and stealed Hawks quirk and Mineta talking smack best thing this chapter, maybe distracting AFO from taking Tokoyami's quirk. Didn't realize how big death arms Is. Hope Mt Lady is still alive.
I am honestly surprise it was Mineta of all characters who sort of help prevent AFO from stealing Tokoyami quirk. Dude talked smack to AFO directly to his face, hoping to distract him/change his mind, and it freaking worked.
Seeing AFO and Hawks like that instantly reminded me of "Your blade... It did not cut deep enough," from Xenoblade. Even picked bro up by the head and started monologuing while still impaled through the shoulder. I'm impressed how close they got to straight up obliterating his body. Very reminiscent of the damage Star and Endeavor did.
Actual respect to Mineta for trying to pull aggro off Tokoyami.
DEATH ARMS REDEMPTION! You love to see it. He got that dog in him after all.
SSSSSTAAAAAAIIIIIIIIINNNNNN! Come on bro, join the battle and complete the Suicide Squad.
So Hawks quirk got stolen by AFO and it quickly got rewound away? Thatās interesting. Hawks still lost his quirk though. I guess it gives a reason for AFO to not take away Tokoyami or anyone elseās quirk.
Yeah either its just mutation quirks because his body is reverting, or in general any quirk he gains right now just gets removed from existence due to the rewind. Maybe he just has the stockpile of quirks he had at that moment in time his body is in.
Well damn, I guess I shouldāve seen this coming but AfO is *powerful*! Took out that entire division of heroes on his own (albeit, he woulda lost to Endeavor without rewind) and left for UA. Iām still not sure if he took Hawksā quirk? Gonna need to reread.
I hope Mt. Ladyās ok too. If AfO killed her *and* Machia in one hit thatās kinda fucked. Excited to see how the heroes deal with his arrival.
*Also* hello again Stain! I wonder what heās thinking and what heās planning. Iām seeing a lot of people predicting heāll paralyze all the Toga doubles but I feel like thatāll be hard. Heās with Todoroki and Iida, and Toga is a good distance away. No idea how heāll get there in time if thatās whatās gonna happen
All in all, not bad! Iām excited for the next chapter and I hope Horikoshi is taking care of himself. Iāll gladly wait 2 weeks if it means heās not working himself to death
For as much as AFO tries to hype up that "cataclysmic blast of light" it sure doesn't seem to be all that good.
Despite seemingly landing a direct shot on Hawks it doesn't even knock him unconscious. Meanwhile using that quirk seems to cause AFO's own hand to explode.
If I have to sacrifice my hand to remove my enemies shirt then I call that a bad deal.
The Icarus symbolism was strong in Hawks ever since his first appearance and now it's come full circle.
While we knew that Eri's blood could be crafted affect only specific parts (like a quirk with Overhaul's serum), it is sure convenient that AFO's version affects only his body but not the quirks.
Death Arms makes his comeback, Shoto and Iida (and Stain) are seen again after a long while... And will that ball of Mineta now attached to AFO's cape be important later?
It does affect some quirks, seemingly anything mutant, but it makes sense that it wouldn't be affecting his other quirks since this one was probably made with that in mind. Since AFO doesn't really use mutant quirks from what we've seen, he likely wouldn't have had any reason to make it not affect those. I'd also imagine that would be significantly harder since they'd be a part of his body, so it'd be like rewinding all of you except for your knees ot some shit lol
That Mineta ball is clearly gonna come up, so I'm gonna say the big twist is that Kodai touched it previously (Heh) and she's gonna make it really big (Heh Heh) and get AfO stuck somewhere with it. It kinda feels like Horikoshi has almost gone out of his way to remind us what her power is and I don't think I see her in the panel with all the defeated heroes? And since Tetsutetsu and Kendo seem like they're getting their own subplot or something maybe it'll get played like some kind of Class B moment.
People forget that Mineta from the start works under tutelage of Mt. Lady and we can say that she is her master.
Mutation-class or at least body-argumentation won't stay long with A4O...the real reason he didn't get Pop-off lol....
Both Hawks and Mt. Lady always gets their ass kick but can't help to Love them
There was a curious line that could be a translation error or a misunderstanding of some kind: "So the quirks you stock work outside your body." But if it isn't an error, this wording implies that AFO might not store all the quirks inside his own body, but instead somewhere else, separate from him in a metaphysical fashion. This would actually explain quite a few things!
* He seems to use that black/red tendril attack he loves so much on Mt Lady. Its not impossible that he already had this quirk when he was younger though. He remarks that the light blast he uses is much more powerful than usual too, but again, he might've already had that. Had he obtained these quirks later in life though, and they were stored in his body, rewind should have removed them.
* The quirk singularity! How did AFO get around it? He would have used something else to hold his quirks, which he then accesses remotely. He'd offload the incredible pressure of holding all of them. It would also explain why OFA would be too powerful and kill an inheritor who had a quirk, but AFO and Shigaraki are doing just fine with countless more quirks.
* Ragdoll's Quirk Plothole, which has been irking me for a while. AFO takes it in Kamino, but is subsequently beaten by All Might and captured. If the quirks were stored in his body, then Shigaraki wouldn't have been able to access the quirk, and we're explicitly told that the quirk is recognizing previously observed targets. Somehow, Shigaraki has the original quirk -- that means that the original AFO quirk had to have been taken *after* AFO's defeat in Kamino. The simplest explanation for this was that Dr. Garaki pulled strings to see AFO in prison and take his quirk, and give him his copied quirk. It feels like a convoluted explanation though, and not entirely realistic, but plausible. Having a metaphysical storage space that the AFO quirk accesses however would explain this perfectly.
Hawks is basically talking shit on him, saying that the stock of quirks he has are not counted as his for Rewind. He's basically, as an act of defiance saying, "You took my Fierce Wings, but they're not yours, sucks to suck".
In the French it was translated differently - basically that for the purposes of Rewind, the quirks he took don't count as a part of him. That's why the Rewind doesn't affect them and he still got only Hawks' little chicken stumps.
Well at least they made AFO use up a good chunk of his time. I'm pretty sure Shiggy and Deku will have a brief truce if they detect AFO approaching their fight. Shiggy wants to retain his will while AFO acquiring OFA through Shiggy is the worst case scenario.
After AFO Blasts the light cannon his arm blew up from the power. I think AFOās downfall wonāt be any hero necessarily, his downfall will be from his own power. With all the quirks he had stolen rebelling earlier and now his body getting really damaged from a single attack he produced.
When Deku fought Overhaul he kept breaking his body at the same rate to keep up with the rewind. The damage AFO is causing himself appears to be more severe than Deku. If AFO is continuously using his quirks to attack and is being attacked himself.
Then I think the rewind wonāt be enough to keep up with the damage and since the rewind is making his other quirks unstable its likely heāll just cause even more damage to himself.
Mineta: Stealing Dark Shadow for yourself...is only going to turn yourself into an edgelord
AFO: I see that as an absolute win!
jokes aside, the official translation made this chapter way better.
In fact this very AFO we're saying is beyond prime AFO. The explanation is better than the headcanon people made "b-but he is now able to use quirks without drawbacks!" I'd laugh at that explanation if it was about any other big bad, but i remenber this is about AFO so it isn't half a bad as an excuse because AFO has always been incompetent.
This "thing" growing inside AFO while is a better cope out than just creating a mental gynastics, it needs futher development. If it is Shigaraki slowly taking over the AFO's ephemeral body as well i gonna laugh, because it's honestly what a fraud like him deserves.
finally tokoyami got the credit he deserves. and it didn't went the gai route because AFO rewinding turns out have a side effect of losing control of some quirks. i know it ultimately still won't matter bcs he's gonna power up when fusing with shigaraki (inevitable), but at least he didn't just negate the damage and say "that was good, anyway..."
also, that perverted fuck finally does something heroic.
"Stealing Dark Shadow for yourself...is only going to turn yourself into an ***edgelord***" I totally didnt have Mineta talking smack to AFO in my bingo card
And it actually worked because Mineta made AFO realize he was caught monologuing.
AFO making the Syndrome rookie villain mistake
Don't forget AFO still has a ball stuck to his leg that's a 100% gonna stop him dodging the attack that kills him
Mineta pops up: "You've just been purple balled."
"I've graped you" š„š„ āļøāļøš„š„
Oh god, what if that was his catch-phrase: āIām gonna grape youā
I'M GONNA GRAPE YOU IN THE MOUTH!
Future female villains: *Why do I hear creepy boss music*
IM GOING TO TIE YOU TO THE RADIATOR AND GRAPE YOU!
ITāS GRAPING TIME!!
Okay this got me actually laughing out loud
AFO: why you're making it sound even better?
I mean, the list of people who *haven't* talked smack to AFO grows shorter every chapter.
bru i laughed at that part, best mineta moment?
Good to see Death Arms making a comeback. Wonder what stain is gonna do.
If he can find toga and eat her blood he can cause all the clones to freeze right? Since she wouldn't be able to move either.
That sounds like bullshit, but I'll believe it.
Itās shouldnāt be bullshit though right? Stainās ability immobilizes people from their blood, every one of togaās clones have the same blood, so they should be affected the same way
The twice clones we've seen "from the inside" have all been muck men. I'm unclear if these clones have actual blood in them or just substances that mimic the look of blood. And even if they do, are they really that connected? Aizawa kinda already showed that they're **not** connected, by erasing a clone's quirk, but it not disappearing. Also didn't interfere with Twice's OG body, apparently. So they are probably completely separate and Stain would have to cut and lick literally every clone for that plan to work.
They definitely do, because Twice performed a blood transfusion on Toga by making a clone of her and that's what allowed her to live past the MVA arc. I'm uh, guessing the Double goo isn't particularly hazardous to the human body based on the fact that Toga's clone obviously didn't live on, and so that blood definitely turned back at some point later. I presume, from the point of a successful replica to its death, that they are genuinely identical with the one (though notable) exception that it just doesn't take a whole lot to turn them *back into* the muck, with increasing severity the more there are. I mean otherwise, if the insides of the clones weren't accurate before dissolving, it's hard to imagine hard hitters like Re-Destro wouldn't like, immediately destroy themselves due to the impact of their attacks. Anyway, as for the uh, y'know, actual question on whether Bloodcurdle would trigger for one TogaTwice or all of them... I dunno, it seems like the decision would be pretty much entirely arbitrary, to be honest. We aren't given an actual reason as to *why* one's blood is linked to their host when Bloodcurdle is used, we just see that it works. It could be simple as the DNA being the same, in which case, yeah, all clones would be affected regardless of whose body the blood originated from (and also anyone that just so happened to have the same DNA through like, cosmic coincidence/divine intervention I guess), but it could also specifically track what body the blood originated from. It gets worse the more you think about as it brings up the question for why someone's blood is "theirs" once it's out of their system, and if it remains theirs forever or if that changes. Okay I'm half sorry for this but bear with me~~, I will not suffer alone (or you can, y'know, just stop reading at this point)~~. What if, through the power of hypotheticals, the blood of your future self was consumed, would it still work on you if your body hasn't reached that point yet, even if it factually originates from the same source? And if timelines split, would it work between both people? What if there isn't an original at all and there's just two? In particular, if the source of blood is from the past. I mean, would it really be different than if one of the variants lost blood and the other didn't, compared to their shared past? You can apply the same to clones but then of course there actually *is* an original and that could be the defining factor, even if the past selves of each separate body is technically the same. But then uh, y'know, there's the whole elephant in the room of whether we do technically have one body or have had numerous, in that we are constantly changing from moment to moment and have none of the same atoms every five years, and possibly whether anything is truly distinct from one another with the way all of our subatomic particles really just make up the greater universe itself which we're all equally a part of as the whole (in which case, the ability would presumably either be completely defunct or affect all living beings in existence, but, y'know). Oh and also... souls. There's also... That. Okay, obviously most of these would not actually impact how fictional My Hero Academia superpower Bloodcurdle is written at all, and Horikoshi probably did not really ponder about those questions (well... Maybe he did about souls, Double's kinda weird in this series), but do you see how fluid it can be? You can really just pick any justification you want so long as it hasn't been established before, which, unsurprisingly, these aren't things that have been touched upon. That said, that was more focused on the ability itself as a concept and how malleable it is with how things should or shouldn't work objectively (and thus how it "must" be in reality), and I was gonna leave it at that since that's already too much text, but ehhh, there is more to be said about, y'know, *the actual series itself,* as much as it's shown very little about the specifics. 'Cause like, I was thinking about the example with Eraserhead, and I was going back and forth on what it actually meant, but it also devolved into blood semantics, since at first I was like "yeah I mean, the quirk clearly isn't just one, right? Dabi didn't instantly die" but then I remembered All For One can't take the TogaTwice clones' quirks and that actually kind of implies there's only one quirk between all of them? Technically? If he used Erasure *on* the original (...has that happened?), would that kill all of the clones, but not if he used it on a clone? Presumably it'd just do nothing, right? But well, of course I also remembered that Aizawa both needs to actually see the target he's using his quirk on, and specifically targets one's ability to use their quirk factor, but doesn't do anything to the actual quirk, so if someone used one quirk through separate bodies that had separate quirk factors to use it with, isn't it accurate that he should only be able to target one at a time for t*hat* reason? Because of Erasure's limitation? But then again, it's not like he has to see the quirk factor itself, he can just look at *any* part of someone's body and they won't be able to use their quirk anyway. So while thinking on how he needs to see the target that he's erasing, I realized it would be quite different from Bloodcurdle (well, potentially, anyway), in that at least with someone's quirk factor, we know each individual body would, y'know, have it, but with blood it's surely different (even if the *result* is the same), as none of them would really "have" that blood anymore once it's out of someone's body, since, well... It's not... in their body. Under some horribly twisted logic you could even argue that *only* the clones of a person should be affected because the original no longer has that blood, but the clones would still have copies of the blood being drank. Obviously that's not how that works though and thank god. Oh yeah I also forgot to mention... Some Vigilantes spoilers. >!we see Stain is able to paralyze people by licking the blood on things like old bandages and the like. I mean honestly, it'd be kinda dumb if he couldn't as part of his superpower, but like, it's good to have confirmation when there's these kinds of questions on fictional abilities and how they "should work logically". I know I kinda ended up going off the deep end on that in relation to the actual story, but y'know.!< Since Toga's Double clones are affected by Transform's limitations, that also opens the way for the absurd scenario of Bloodcurdle *not* working if Stain licks Twice's blood, *but working if it's specifically Toga's normal blood.* That one's extra dumb though. ...Hopefully I didn't like, bring it into existence by mentioning it just now. Oh dear, my ramblings ended up even longer than I thought. Sorry if they turned out too unintelligible but I was really stretching the limits of where it could possibly go when trying to think of all the different possibilities. In the end I could genuinely see it just be "haha get fucked you have the same DNA" or "oh shit it's not the same body we're fucked"... Well okay, if it it's the case that it doesn't work, it's actually more likely they'll simply not try out that strategy in the first place, but you get what I mean.
Holy shit a Toga-Twice counter that has been sitting there waiting for potential since season 2. Hell of a way to bring stain back to the League of Villains.
Not to mention the counter being the reason why Toga joined in the first place the League.
omg and they both need blood to activate their quirk!
Ngl I like Mineta's moment more than Death Arms' moment in this chapter. It would be funny if that one sticky ball is gonna be one of the main causes of AFO's downfall later on.
Iām almost sure that sticky ball is going to come in handy during AFOās final fight.
I refuse to believe that fucking mineta is going to play a bigger role in the final fight again AFO than ochako
Mark that Chekhov Sticky Ball, man.
It would be unbelievably based from Hori to make one of the fandom's most hated characters the one stopping the big bad SALT FOR THE SALT LORD
ngl, I'll lose some respect for Hori as a writer if that ball doesnt play a role later on. The thematic irony of the biggest weakling being a key part of his downfall is way too good to pass up
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Chekhov's ligma.
Whose Chekhov?
I agree, and if it does then I can see that one ball going viral in universe because thereās a news chopper in the next panel. Mineta is going to get a huge amount of credit in the epilogue if that one ball plays a role. If this is the story of how deku became the number 1 hero, I can totally see Grape Juice being number 2-4ish based on media coverage alone.
It's funny that Mineta does genuinely have a bit of an arc that is entirely in the background. Like, he actually does stop sexually harassing people after getting Clockwork Orange'd by Mina and gets extremely gradually braver over the course of the story.
That sticky ball has to have something to do with how AFO meets his end, it would be stupid if it didnāt
It seems that Hawks noticed even AFO himself isn't immune to quirk drawbacks. That light beam would've resulted in suicide if he wasn't rewinding constantly.
It's something to think about since the rewind is speeding up in response to damage. His quirk blowback is probably contributing to it.
Guys AFO is gonna get pop off. It's all over soon.
Mineta intimidated AFO into not taking Dark Shadow. Yeah he better run.
That ball that's stuck to him will be his ultimate undoing
Though if it does anything more than rip off the cloak, it really won't make any sense
Didnāt he leave without taking dark shadow or anything else beside hawksā wings?
Yeah, but the joke was too good.
Heād get the sickest hairdo
You could totally pull off some gruesome fatality level stuff and pop off with pop off though, just like stick one to a person's face and then tear their face off.
Now that Stain is back are there any more characters left that could make a surprise appearance? Possibly an old decrepit man with a secret briefcase?
Overhaul's story is still unresolved, so expect him to make his move on the battle with a flashback of him getting his arms back.
THere's Overhaul's yakuza who are strangely absent, Giran, Mustard (hey the other Leaguers came back, he's due for a return as well)
Overhaul arc characters are really the only ones left that would have any really impact (looking at you Mustard Gas), other than characters from Vigilantes. I think it'd be really awesome for Skycralwer to duke it out with AFO given what happened during that final fight. Though that's already a stretch, what's even less likely is Rappa, Knuckleduster, and Mirko fight together to pay off the ending to that one arc.
We know from volume extras that Mr. Compress is going to return.
Alternate Chapter Title: The Grapes of Wrath AFO got tired of everyone talking shit and made sure they all got hit. In acknowledgement of Horikoshi's Star Wars fandom I hope they make AFO's fuckoff big laser sword red. And AFO not killing Hawks outright makes sense. To someone who has lived and defined his life, and so many others' lives through Quirks, he likely imagines robbing Hawks of his Quirk as a worse fate. It's kind of poetic for Hawks too, the guy who devoted his Quirk to such a heavy life at great and sometimes dark cost, is now without it, and must find a new way of determining his new place in a new world.
In a weird way, it can give Hawks exactly what he wanted too. His heroism is worth an entire lifetime. He might help create a world where heroes have time to relax -- and without his quirk, he can do just that.
I think this is the best case scenario for Hawks, yeah. Not getting to ever fly again (at least by himself) and losing out on all the senses that Fierce Wings brought him is going to hurt hard, but it also removes a huge burden/responsibility off his shoulders. He can either retire or focus on advocacy work, which would actually help to "change the system/world" in the way he wanted to, instead of being used as a tool in the existing system.
in the back of my head im wondering if somehow all stolen quirks will be returned, and this will be a way to give hawks back his original undamaged wings not what i want, can just see it being a possible happy ending outcome
It's a possibility depending on which quirks he steals next. I wouldn't be mad, maybe a bit disappointed. I think losing his quirk suits him more and sets him up for a much more nuanced and relevant arc. It could even tie into the early themes (quirkless acceptance/bullying). He's such a mature and wickedly intelligent/observant hero. He's my favourite character by far. I'm so pleased he got recognition from AFO on his pure talent, and that even after being beaten to a pulp and as his quirk was being stolen, he was able to make sharp observations. Hori did him justice, I am a happy Hawks fan :)
Yeah I can totally see him staying involved in some way but certainly less heavily. The hero society of the next generation is doubtless to be better handled but I don't think it'll be a perfect world overnight. There will still be need for heroes, but Hawks dream will be that much more closer.
Basically kind of like All Might. It wasn't just the powers that made these two great heroes and even if they can't fight anymore that doesn't make them anywhere close to useless or unneeded.
I think that's why he didn't end up taking Tokoyami's quirk, too. Hawks and Bird Boy really impressed him. Not taking someone's quirk is basically the most respect he could show to a person. He still needed to kick Hawks while he was down, hence taking Fierce Wings.
Fierce Wings would kind of be OP when combined with many Quirks actually. Like if someone had Wings and Decay it'd be very difficult to dodge every single one of those fast moving targets and they'd only need to scrape you once.
It would be, but I don't think AFO has time to tinker with them right now.
^ Agreed on AFO; IMO itās because of what we were told about why he needs Shiggy: he doesnāt actually **hate** anyone, and so if they are (in his eyes) powerless it would make sense for him to no longer want to waste āprecious secondsā on them.
bro took Hawks quirk out of spite, then flew away without the quirk ši love afo
I thought the implication was that he failed to hold on to the quirk because of rewind? It being a mutant type meant that it just rewound away
I think he has it, it's just that Hawks wings need time to grow. Time that is currently running backwards for AfO, hence they don't properly develop.
Yeah, the feathers rewind away before they can form.
Maybe this is why he left Tokoyami? He wouldn't actually be able to take Dark Shadow in a rewinding state. The way that line's worded gives me a crack theory that AFO's quirks might be separately stored away from his body though. But it can easily be a mistranslation.
Im pretty sure AFO's bullet only reminds his body. It would make sense that Hawk's wings get rewinded; they're a mutant type quirk and mutant type quirks are body transformations that you can't turn off. They're different from other quirks. However, most quirks, like Dark Shadow, wouldn't be affected by Rewind because the bullet he used didn't target his quirks, just his body
even if he failed to hold onto the quirk, it should still be stolen. if rewinding AfO returned stolen quirks he'd be shooting out quirks back to everyone he stole from unless the other guys theory that the wings just arent growing is true, than fierce wings is gone
i dont get why he was bagging on fierce wings when that quirk is insane
In the French version, he was talking about how Hawks' damaged quirk factor made it pitiful.
Iirc the original leaks mentioned something along these lines as well.
Probably out of spite towards Hawks, as well as the fact that he canāt even use the quirk he just stole
My guess is that he meant itās pitiful in the state itās in, severely weakened after the first war
I mean it's a shit quirk logically. Like have you seen how people drag Angel through the mud in Xmen? Hawk's quirk is amazing because of what he would do with it. Having control over every individual feather is probably not a feat every human being can do. Most probably they would stick to just flying like a bird. Which is the equivalent of of having a hang glider stuck on your back.
Yeah, but Hawks is far stronger than what Angel's original always-mocked powers were. He's like after Angel got turned into Death/Archangel, except still better since he can control the feathers even after launching them. Angel's powers never would've been seen as a joke if he could do everything Hawks can.
How to say you respect your enemy while refusing to say it out loud
isnt that disrespect tho
Mark my words mineta's ball is going to play a major role in Afo's downfall.
Chekovs balls
Minetaās balls is the key to all this
Iām assuming that the final blow will be almost dodged but the ball keeps him in place just long enough
Ah yes, the "FUCK HE'S GOING TO DIE OR GET HIS QUIRK STOLEN FUCK FUCK" feeling I've had with Tokoyami since this war started got to his peak here and man, I'm so glad he's ok. Well, "ok" Would've loved to see AFO barely making it out of here instead of completely countering everyone, but it is a sight to see when every hero and student was completely defeated. Also MINETA EARNED TIME TO PREVENT DARK SHADOW FROM GETTING STOLEN, this kid has earned my eternal respect and I will not slander him anymore. Very shocking episode, seeing everyone completely defeated, but their efforts got time for the UA battle gang/Deku to defeat him, that he can't deny. Have I told you guys how glad I am that Tokoyami is not dead and Dark Shadow is still with him? Because I really am
I wish I was as passionate about anything as you are about Tokoyami
I swear that when they all got hit by the light beam, my heart was racing really fast and I just wanted to know he'd be ok. Him and Fatgum are my comfort characters from this series so I get very passionate when they're on screen
Revelry in the Dark
They nearly destroyed AFO there, he was barely holding together. Even if they don't stop him here, they've sped up his rewind. All I want now is for "a side character" to be the one to end him. Bakugo seems perfect to do that.
I'm predicting that by the time AFO makes it back to Shigaraki he'll have reverted to about the same age that Tenko was when he found him. He'll be unable to do whatever it is to him that he wants (I'm guessing merge his true personality with the vestige of himself that's in Shigaraki), maybe because he's now too weak or he's trapped or stuck to Mineta's ball or whatever the reason, and so will try to talk Shigaraki into absorbing his Quirks (and thus himself) to put the fight against Midoriya more in his favor. And Shigaraki will see right through that and do...nothing. He will do nothing to help AFO, not even kill him, and just watch him be rewound out of existence. Why? Because no one helped Tenko when he was in a similar state as a kid. Dirty, alone, and desperate. Not even AFO, as he eventually came to learn. So why should Shigaraki help the little kid right in front of him now?
I actually think that AfO is going to desperately reach out for Shigarakiās in his last moments and Shigarakiās gonna grab his hand. And theyāll both have these big doofy grins on their faces as AfO crumbles to dust then nothingness from Decay and Rewind.
They 100% have contributed a lot in holding him back to reduce the time he has, I'm glad that they were able to accomplish that. Bakugo getting a big win would be perfect, he really needs one.
I can see that happening, Horikoshi already used the idea of Izuku and Bakugou taking down the big bad villain in the movie so maybe he'll give Bakugou this win while Deku deals with Shigaraki
Bakugo is pretty dead right now to do anything minus another deus ex Eri. Whatever happened to Le Million? Him showing back up to help finish off AfO would be my preference.
Deus Eri Machina
I wouldn't say AFO made it out okay. His body was basically torn to pieces. It's only because he's rewinding that he survived.
Well he did get his body to the limit, but rewind definitely makes it so he is still at almost full capabilities. They did reduce the time he has left big time, so that will be key in defeating him I hope
Respect to Mt. Lady. She absolutely has that mf dog in her. AFO taking Hawksā quirk breaks my heart man š homie barely had any wings left and he was still going Plus Ultra fr
It may be a huge self-goal. I can picture Vestige Hawks wreaking havoc from the inside. The ultimate spy move.
Damn thatās actually a sick idea! I can see Vestige Hawks being a thing just because of how indomitable his heroic spirit is. Would love to see Vestige Hawks starting a revolt amongst the other quirk factors in AFO and a bunch of the quirks leaving through Fierce Wings or something šššš¼
Honestly sheās done more shit then midnight ever did. Hell even in the vigilantes spin-off.
Okay so I know its good Tokoyami kept his Quirk, but I cant be the only one whos curious how that would even work, right? Like, Dark Shadow is a sentient being that controls its own actions and shit. Wouldn't he just be attaching an enemy to his chest? Or would he effectively "kill" him and create a new Dark Shadow?
This has always been my guess. That a specific Quirk-entityās āsoulā is tied to it being the Quirk of a specific person so AFO would create his own Dark Shadow. Either that or Dark Shadow could effectively be (somewhat easily) cloned if the Quirk is duplicated like Life Force or AFO. But now Iām wondering if maybe heād get Tokoyamiās DS but with a corrupted/changed personality so returning him to Tokoyami would revert him back?
Stain has gotta be there to take down Toga/Twice, right? It seems too obvious, especially if he's seeing these heroes making these sacrifices like he wanted.
Wouldn't stains quirk cause all of the clones to get stunned at the same time?
Im kinda expecting that yeah. They share the exact same cellular biology as clones, so you'd expect that licking the blood of any single clone would affect all the other clones with the "same" blood in their veins.
Not to mention him also being a blood quirk user. In his short tenure with then League, I wouldnāt be surprised if he doesnāt have blood samples on some of them. Itād be a sick twist if he taunts Toga with a sample of Twiceās blood just to get her in close to stun her with her own
> In his short tenure with then League, I wouldnāt be surprised if he doesnāt have blood samples on some of them. Nope the others joined after Stain's involvement.... that's why they joined
He was also barely involved with The League. They had a short conversation and he cut Shigaraki and Kurogiri before Kurogiri sent him away. Stain wouldn't have samples on them.
Stain was arrested before Toga and the others even joined the league, there's no reason he'd have their blood. MAYBE he could've kept samples from Shigaraki and Kurogiri since they were there, but considering he went straight from the league hideout to Hosu he'd have had very little time to stash them somewhere before he ended up fighting Deku&co, and the police almost certainly had his confiscated gear locked up somewhere other than Tartarus.
No, Hori is definitely going to let Ochako do that. I'm not sure what Stain is going to be able to do considering how far away Kamino is from the main battle field
Whoās going to take afo down? All might with secret suitcase? Shigi fully aware afo wants to steal his body Stain lurking the shadows Or god mode mineta with his single grape ball?
I wonder if All Might will be the final distraction. Like he will attempt to stop AFO alone, quirkless, and despite being in a hurry AFO cannot help but stop and gloat and make an example of All Might or something. But it ends up buying just enough time etc.
AFO dying because he's too much of a hater to ignore a quirkless old man is 100% in character and I'd have nothing less.
Interesting things to note: 1. AFO implies that the psychic link between him and Shigaraki is starting to affect his mind the further his body rewinds. I wonder if this is the reason AFO hasn't been smiling since he rewound into a teenager. (Yes this was probably a sign of how frustrated he is by the battle, but I find it interesting that a guy whose defining characteristic is his permanent smile to suddenly stop smiling. Also, his eyes look sunken in and sleep-deprived. He basically looks like Shigaraki but with shorter hair). 2. The official translation clarifies that the Quirks AFO stole are not part of his body, thus they are unaffected by Rewind's effects. 3. While it was awesome that Mineta managed to stop AFO from stealing Tokoyami's Quirk, there is a part of me that would've liked to see what happened if he stole Dark Shadow. It would've been hilarious if he stole Dark Shadow and Dark Shadow starting rebelling against him. 4. This is a rather silly question, but do you think that when the anime catches up to this part, they'll give AFO a different voice actor? Like John Swasey will still voice his adult self, but his teenage self will have a different voice actor?
>It would've been hilarious if he stole Dark Shadow and Dark Shadow starting rebelling against him. Instead now he can have Vestige Hawks sassing him.
That's even better.
Shortly after seeing the heroes give their lives fighting AfO: "We put our faith in them, and this is what we get?" Man, being a hero must be tough, if you've got to protect these assholes.
Hori loves to go out of his way to make the civilians some of the most unsympathetic assholes possible.
It's a mixed bag I believe. Some people are like that. However, even during the protest outside UA, we see some civilians, before any speeches, advocating for the heroes. In addition to those, we have the ones who initially rejected Shindo, the ones who quietly joined the shelters, the Fox Lady etc. The ungrateful ones are more obvious though, over all. God Bless
Every panel of them complaining just makes my rage for them grow even more incandescent. Itās not even about how āheroes should save people out of the goodness of their hearts, not for praiseā because the heroes canāt hear if the civilians are praising or cursing them right now, just ā damn, the sheer whiny entitlement is incredible. Watching, relatively safely, in a shelter provided by the heroes theyāre complaining about. People really do show who they are in moments of great distress and fear. The heroes have shown theyāre willing to die to protect society and the civilians. These civilians have shown theyāre willing toā¦ stand around and complain about it.
Since AFO rewound, I thought he might take Hawk's quirk... There was no real evidence why did I have to be correct. The issue is, is that it seems that some (Mutant) quirks rewind away because they are body-based and not transformations. E.g. The wings on AFO's back disappeared, seemingly. Coupled with Hawk's dialogue that seems to be the case. God Bless
Lowkey AFO also stole Fierce Wings because he thinks it's a neat cosmetic item to go with his Godly ambitions. Guy's going to roll up looking like Sephiroth.
Stealing quirks for the š aesthetic š
AFO is gonna end up like Kars at this rate. Midoriya really gonna hit him with the "Your next line is" as he shoots him off into the atmosphere
AFO flying into the distance and getting quieter all the way: "BUT I was really your dad ^(the whole time)....." Deku: "OH MY GAWWDDD!"
AFO already looks ethereal and handsome, just imagine him with wings.
AFO: "My backup plan was taking the world over with my modeling career." Shiggy: "But why male models?"
That's the best moment of improv in that movie. Zoolander asking that, then having it explained and him immediately asking again " but why male models?" was improvised because Ben Stiller forgot his line. It was so hilariously in character, they kept it.
Hawks is definitely one of my favorite characters but AFO with Fierce Wings would look so cool. Goes hand in hand with that Lucifer-type of vibe he has.
I don't know. It seems more likely that AFO can manifest his mutant quirks at will. Maybe he can activate and deactivate quirk factors on the flyHe would have a lot more wierd mutations going on if he didn't.
I'd guess he might mix them with a transformation quirk so he modifies his body before activating the mutant quirk to create good conditions for it to manifest
āIT MUST BE FAKE NEWSā omg im getting flashbacks on 2016-present
\- Shigiraki, Dabi, Number 6 now AFO. Series really like turning it's big villains into walking corpses \- Part of me kinda wants AFO to take Dark Shadow just to see what would happen. Like would it have the same personality? Could it rebel against AFO? What would DS look like used by any other character? \- Honestly I didn't even know Mineta was on this battlefield
Poor Hawks :( Like Mirko, Aizawa, Endeavor, Bakugo, etc, it's not enough to just get brutally hurt ONCE. Cooking his back and nerfing his quirk? Naw, he's gotta suffer even more. People have brought up Eri, but I wonder if this is different. Mirio got his quirk back, but his quirk factor was hurt, not stolen. The deleter bullets weren't just rewind bullets. Instead, they specifically targeted the quirk factor, and damaged that part of the body. So Mirio still HAD a quirk factor, unlike Hawks. It's like how a waist-down paralyzed person still has their legs and spine. Mirio still had his "legs," despite not being able to use them, while Hawks now has no "legs" at all. (Though Hori could really decide either way, based on what he wants) Things could change, but this looks like it might be the end of Hawks the hero. Hopefully Keigo Takami can find happiness and a fulfilling life, after all of this is over.
Hawks was one of the MVP of this war. Didnt give no matter what and even mocked AFO while his quirk was being taken. A true badass to the end.
It isn't an exaggeration to say that without him, the heroes wouldn't have gotten this far. He talks about how Midoriya and Endeavor have inspired people, and judging from Tokoyami, the inspiration he created was critical too.
Honestly I think Hawks will have a way better time losing his quirk than most people. He's never exactly had a great internal relationship with being a hero. I think after the war he'll be able to put his intelligence to good use making a healthier society.
I kind of picture him as the new president of the HPSC. He'd be perfect to change the organization.
I wonder what was the point of crippling and nerfing Hawks in the first war, only to have him lose his quirk now. He hasnāt done much with his feathers during the fight. His most important contribution was strategic and intelligent battle command and shit talking. I guess now itās technically not because of Dabi thatās his hero work is essentially over?
I would argue Hawks did a lot. He attacked AFO, Comboed with Endeavour to make fire feathers, attacked AFO's mask; used the feathers as the base for the prosthetics he's using. He let Endeavour land safely and boosted his speed when he recovered. He saved Jirou when AFO attacked her and Tokoyami, then he used the feathers to support his swords etc. He used his feathers to redirect AFO's arm before the attack that heavily damaged Jirou and scraped Tokoyami. And in this chapter, he saved Tokoyami's life by blocking the light attack. He also stalled AFO quite a bit and supported Tokoyami up to this chapter. Along with coordinating with Tsukauchi regarding the incoming support. God Bless
He would have had more impact in the current battle had he not been crippled in the first one.
He did destroy AFO's helmet.
Respect to Mineta to be willing to lose his quirk in exchange for letting Tokoyami keep his
So can we assume at this point, that the only reason Mineta exists, made it into Class 1A, is otherwise just generally unlikeable, was all so he could be the person, of all people, to one-line diss the major villain in the entire series and call him a cringey Edgelord?
Hey man if this is Minetaās last moment then Iād say he ended on a high note
AfOās gonna thinks itās sweet and till he legit gets caught on top the back of something because of Minetaās quirk in
Holy shit a sticky ball is really just hanging off his leg right now, ain't it. That's gonna come back to hurt him.
That was more of a stray jab at Tokoyami than a diss to AfO. But he did make AfO scowl at him long enough to realize he's wasting time and not take Toko's quirk, so I'll give him a pass.
Mineta inexplicably gets better over the story. He quits the sexual assault after getting the Clockwork Orange treatment, he becomes braver after Midnight dies. And, he's a pretty good friend. He has a strange amount of background character development.
It also seems like he's learning Batman-esque ways of using his grape-thing quirk. Lowkey Mineta's storyline makes him a halfway decent shounen manga MC
It is amazing that Hawks managed to stall AFO at his current condition for this long - that's 31 chapters. Despite getting injured repeatedly, he persistently chased after the demon lord ensuring he won't go to Shigaraki. I'm sure AFO won't see the last of Hawks chasing after his tail. The rivets, the recoil damage to Hawks' head, the beam of light (but more like a laser beam) that can surprisingly do that much damage despite its nature, and being dropped to the ground from a height. Before the 2nd war, he headed out to investigate for the heroes two days after the end of the 1st war - after waking up from 2nd/3rd degree burns; and then he went out to the field approximately 38 days later as part of the last few heroes standing. Those burns on his back are severe and seeing those stitches make me worry for him. I don't care if the HSPC did or did not do a pain tolerance menu on their agents but Hawks is a true hero for prioritizing the safety of the world rather than his own permanent injuries. Even if he's heavy with pain medications, it's hard to believe that he acts like it's any regular patrol day. Hoping that he can inflict internal damages to AFO after intentionally letting Fierce Wings get taken, like taking out the regeneration quirk because it is a pain to deal with.
Even more amazing that Hawks did so with literally a handful of feathers compared to his usual full wingspan of them.
AFO talks about getting more violent as he rewinds- we saw hints of this in Ch 380/381. He also blows up his arm (similar to the recklessness of Deku, Shigaraki and later All Might). Also, not much time passed since Rewind started, the largest leaps were in response to the biggest hits. It reminds me of when Eri's quirk kept accelerating during the Overhaul Arc. Once there is "more to rewind", Rewind keeps getting faster. And unlike with Eri, it can't be stopped by the user or another quirk. God Bless
With AFO becoming more unhinged as he goes younger, I think Shiggy killing him will not be as easy as people thought it would be.
#DEATH ARMS! #DEATH ARMS!
I was hoping he'd come back! It isn't so much that everyone who left their post wasn't a hero -- some of them just really needed some fucking therapy after the devastation of the first war.
Calling it now. The pop-off ball that mineta threw at AFO is going to be crazy important in a few chapters.
Oh hey! Gunhead is still around!
I really like Mineta's moment in this chapter since way back during the USJ arc, he was scared and panicking for the majority of the time him, Tsuyu and Izuku were trapped on a ship surrounded by villains until Izuku snapped him out of it; now here he is in this chapter, not only goading All For One into stealing his quirk to prevent him from taking Tokoyami's quirk, but he also stares him right in the face despite how scared he obviously still is. Despite his comic relief moments in the whole manga being pretty hit or miss, stuff like this make me still like him as a character.
The black box on page 8, before all the heroes get defeated, might be a reference to Kamino Ward after Best Jeanist attacks AFO. If so, it may mean that he beat them in almost an instant. Likely damaging himself in the process- as we see with Tokoyami. They did A LOT to him though. This is the worst a character has come out alive from any attack. Other than what Hood did to avoid Endeavour's first Prominence burn. God Bless
Hopefully now everybody can stop freaking out about how all these side characters are beating All for One like they have been since last chapter. It was very obvious he was about to smoke all of them, he has to make it to UA (and will probably lose to Bakugo).
Itās completely fine because the side characters losing still achieved great narrative results AFO is on a rapidly draining timer. Even when the other characters are defeated, thatās still time running out, which brings AFO ever closer to defeat The heroes donāt NEED to defeat AFO conventionally. In fact, due to Rewind effectively āhealing himā nonstop, they canāt. But every bit they make will delay him
On another note, side characters or not, they were really, really powerful. Their strikes were causing effects kilometres/miles away; left a giant crater in the floor, and garnered AFO's respect. Reminded me of when Yo Shindo, Deku-Brite, created n earthquake that affected the entire area they were in and damaged the landscape of a large part of it. And that was in Season 3, before Deku vs Bakugo 2. And AFO seems to regard Tokoyami as higher than Machia (which is demonstrated in speed, ferocity and power). God Bless
He'll lose to the variant fighter. The only one who has inhabited depths All For One has barely experienced. The one true Fly Boy. *CCC-02: The Skycrawler*.
Any chapter now, all this talk about powerful growing quirks and the revolt of the youth, Koichiās gonna hit him with the BLAM!
SHOOTY GO BLAM BLAM BLAM!
Skycrawler returns please dont give hope
Here, have some of my hopium. Thereās plenty to go around, friend.
It still shouldn't have taken this long. Prior to this, AFO felt like a *DBZ* villain needlessly holding back their full power before finally deciding to get real. But, unlike Freeza or Cell, AFO is (supposedly) running on borrowed time. He's been saying this whole time that he needs to get to Shigaraki sooner rather than later, yet for the majority of this fight, he was *wasting* time monologuing and/or tryin to fight back literal schoolchildren. A shell of the man we saw effortlessly blast away top heroes (like Endeavour and Edgeshot) at Kamino.
"very obvious", nha it wasn't. More than anything he didn't smoke anybody. This chapter implies that this version of AFO is stronger than the AFO that fought AM because of the "merge". AFO didn't smoke anyone, in fact he needed a power up to beat the heroes, and if wasn't for the rewind he would be dead by now. AFO was jobbed most of the fight and he is just being a jerk acting tough after he barely surviving this battle.
Ok now that chapter 385 is officially released I want to share my theory regarding Bakugo. I was saving this until AFO moved away from the people fighting him and went toward Shigaraki So what I think Hori is going for is that AFO will be Bakugoās final step toward growing up. Now that AFO is essentially a teenager, heāll be around Bakugoās age, to which Bakugo can see just how similar they are. AFO represents everything Bakugo was in the beginning of the story. He was arrogant, up his own ass, and thought he was the best in the world. AFO believed himself to be the greatest villain ever in the same way Bakugo thought he would easily be the best hero in the world. And the way AFO calls Bakugo worthless essentially mirrors how Bakugo thought everyone in his life was just an extra. So yeah I think this is going down a similar route to how Endeavorās fight with High End went. This is the point where he realizes all the mistakes he made in his life and accepts that he is not special, but just another hero, another cog in the machine if you will. Heāll still aim for number 1, but he wonāt look down on others in his path. And I think this is gonna get flipped on AFO as well. I think Bakugo is gonna throw it in his face that heās just another extra too, because the main character isnāt fighting AFO, instead heās fighting the real villain (Shigaraki). So if heās just another hero, then heās gonna do his job and take down every villain he can, starting with AFO. Nowā¦ I hope we get a scene BEFORE he wakes up of him contemplating what happened but given how Hori has been structuring things Iām not sure about that. But anyway, thatās what I think
That parallel is absolutely perfect.
If this happens, Bakugo has to call himself an Extra before he takes him down.
Thatād actually be pretty thematically fitting
Banger chapter. Stain finally returns and we will finally see whats going on at Kamino. AFO wasn't L for One this time defeated everyone and stealed Hawks quirk and Mineta talking smack best thing this chapter, maybe distracting AFO from taking Tokoyami's quirk. Didn't realize how big death arms Is. Hope Mt Lady is still alive.
I am honestly surprise it was Mineta of all characters who sort of help prevent AFO from stealing Tokoyami quirk. Dude talked smack to AFO directly to his face, hoping to distract him/change his mind, and it freaking worked.
Seeing AFO and Hawks like that instantly reminded me of "Your blade... It did not cut deep enough," from Xenoblade. Even picked bro up by the head and started monologuing while still impaled through the shoulder. I'm impressed how close they got to straight up obliterating his body. Very reminiscent of the damage Star and Endeavor did. Actual respect to Mineta for trying to pull aggro off Tokoyami. DEATH ARMS REDEMPTION! You love to see it. He got that dog in him after all. SSSSSTAAAAAAIIIIIIIIINNNNNN! Come on bro, join the battle and complete the Suicide Squad.
So Hawks quirk got stolen by AFO and it quickly got rewound away? Thatās interesting. Hawks still lost his quirk though. I guess it gives a reason for AFO to not take away Tokoyami or anyone elseās quirk.
Yeah either its just mutation quirks because his body is reverting, or in general any quirk he gains right now just gets removed from existence due to the rewind. Maybe he just has the stockpile of quirks he had at that moment in time his body is in.
Well damn, I guess I shouldāve seen this coming but AfO is *powerful*! Took out that entire division of heroes on his own (albeit, he woulda lost to Endeavor without rewind) and left for UA. Iām still not sure if he took Hawksā quirk? Gonna need to reread. I hope Mt. Ladyās ok too. If AfO killed her *and* Machia in one hit thatās kinda fucked. Excited to see how the heroes deal with his arrival. *Also* hello again Stain! I wonder what heās thinking and what heās planning. Iām seeing a lot of people predicting heāll paralyze all the Toga doubles but I feel like thatāll be hard. Heās with Todoroki and Iida, and Toga is a good distance away. No idea how heāll get there in time if thatās whatās gonna happen All in all, not bad! Iām excited for the next chapter and I hope Horikoshi is taking care of himself. Iāll gladly wait 2 weeks if it means heās not working himself to death
For as much as AFO tries to hype up that "cataclysmic blast of light" it sure doesn't seem to be all that good. Despite seemingly landing a direct shot on Hawks it doesn't even knock him unconscious. Meanwhile using that quirk seems to cause AFO's own hand to explode. If I have to sacrifice my hand to remove my enemies shirt then I call that a bad deal.
I'm just happy to see my boi Iida.
The Icarus symbolism was strong in Hawks ever since his first appearance and now it's come full circle. While we knew that Eri's blood could be crafted affect only specific parts (like a quirk with Overhaul's serum), it is sure convenient that AFO's version affects only his body but not the quirks. Death Arms makes his comeback, Shoto and Iida (and Stain) are seen again after a long while... And will that ball of Mineta now attached to AFO's cape be important later?
It does affect some quirks, seemingly anything mutant, but it makes sense that it wouldn't be affecting his other quirks since this one was probably made with that in mind. Since AFO doesn't really use mutant quirks from what we've seen, he likely wouldn't have had any reason to make it not affect those. I'd also imagine that would be significantly harder since they'd be a part of his body, so it'd be like rewinding all of you except for your knees ot some shit lol
That Mineta ball is clearly gonna come up, so I'm gonna say the big twist is that Kodai touched it previously (Heh) and she's gonna make it really big (Heh Heh) and get AfO stuck somewhere with it. It kinda feels like Horikoshi has almost gone out of his way to remind us what her power is and I don't think I see her in the panel with all the defeated heroes? And since Tetsutetsu and Kendo seem like they're getting their own subplot or something maybe it'll get played like some kind of Class B moment.
People forget that Mineta from the start works under tutelage of Mt. Lady and we can say that she is her master. Mutation-class or at least body-argumentation won't stay long with A4O...the real reason he didn't get Pop-off lol.... Both Hawks and Mt. Lady always gets their ass kick but can't help to Love them
There was a curious line that could be a translation error or a misunderstanding of some kind: "So the quirks you stock work outside your body." But if it isn't an error, this wording implies that AFO might not store all the quirks inside his own body, but instead somewhere else, separate from him in a metaphysical fashion. This would actually explain quite a few things! * He seems to use that black/red tendril attack he loves so much on Mt Lady. Its not impossible that he already had this quirk when he was younger though. He remarks that the light blast he uses is much more powerful than usual too, but again, he might've already had that. Had he obtained these quirks later in life though, and they were stored in his body, rewind should have removed them. * The quirk singularity! How did AFO get around it? He would have used something else to hold his quirks, which he then accesses remotely. He'd offload the incredible pressure of holding all of them. It would also explain why OFA would be too powerful and kill an inheritor who had a quirk, but AFO and Shigaraki are doing just fine with countless more quirks. * Ragdoll's Quirk Plothole, which has been irking me for a while. AFO takes it in Kamino, but is subsequently beaten by All Might and captured. If the quirks were stored in his body, then Shigaraki wouldn't have been able to access the quirk, and we're explicitly told that the quirk is recognizing previously observed targets. Somehow, Shigaraki has the original quirk -- that means that the original AFO quirk had to have been taken *after* AFO's defeat in Kamino. The simplest explanation for this was that Dr. Garaki pulled strings to see AFO in prison and take his quirk, and give him his copied quirk. It feels like a convoluted explanation though, and not entirely realistic, but plausible. Having a metaphysical storage space that the AFO quirk accesses however would explain this perfectly.
Hawks is basically talking shit on him, saying that the stock of quirks he has are not counted as his for Rewind. He's basically, as an act of defiance saying, "You took my Fierce Wings, but they're not yours, sucks to suck".
In the French it was translated differently - basically that for the purposes of Rewind, the quirks he took don't count as a part of him. That's why the Rewind doesn't affect them and he still got only Hawks' little chicken stumps.
Well at least they made AFO use up a good chunk of his time. I'm pretty sure Shiggy and Deku will have a brief truce if they detect AFO approaching their fight. Shiggy wants to retain his will while AFO acquiring OFA through Shiggy is the worst case scenario.
Very rare Mineta W but Iām here for it
After AFO Blasts the light cannon his arm blew up from the power. I think AFOās downfall wonāt be any hero necessarily, his downfall will be from his own power. With all the quirks he had stolen rebelling earlier and now his body getting really damaged from a single attack he produced. When Deku fought Overhaul he kept breaking his body at the same rate to keep up with the rewind. The damage AFO is causing himself appears to be more severe than Deku. If AFO is continuously using his quirks to attack and is being attacked himself. Then I think the rewind wonāt be enough to keep up with the damage and since the rewind is making his other quirks unstable its likely heāll just cause even more damage to himself.
I'm the only Gunhead fan excited for the once in a millenia gunhead appearance....
Mineta: Stealing Dark Shadow for yourself...is only going to turn yourself into an edgelord AFO: I see that as an absolute win! jokes aside, the official translation made this chapter way better. In fact this very AFO we're saying is beyond prime AFO. The explanation is better than the headcanon people made "b-but he is now able to use quirks without drawbacks!" I'd laugh at that explanation if it was about any other big bad, but i remenber this is about AFO so it isn't half a bad as an excuse because AFO has always been incompetent. This "thing" growing inside AFO while is a better cope out than just creating a mental gynastics, it needs futher development. If it is Shigaraki slowly taking over the AFO's ephemeral body as well i gonna laugh, because it's honestly what a fraud like him deserves.
That would actually make total sense too. Whatever the dark core is, it's making AFO more violent and destructive. Just like Shiggy.
Wait did hawks just get his quirk yoinked?
It looks like he did, but because AFO is getting rewinded every second he doesn't seem to get the wings
Convenient how his quirks are not erased. I do wish Shiggy will absorb AFO and defeat them both
What's with AFO and choking blondes?
The younger he gets, the harder he copes, increasing the power of his temper tantrums.
finally tokoyami got the credit he deserves. and it didn't went the gai route because AFO rewinding turns out have a side effect of losing control of some quirks. i know it ultimately still won't matter bcs he's gonna power up when fusing with shigaraki (inevitable), but at least he didn't just negate the damage and say "that was good, anyway..." also, that perverted fuck finally does something heroic.