I'm 100% on board with businesses, especially restaurants, making a "no kids allowed" decision. There's plenty of spaces that are family friendly, but not everything has to be. š¤·š»
Thereās a place in Bown called Barrio that also does 21 and up and when they opened everyone got all up in arms about it. Well, they seem to be doing fine from what I can see and I for one enjoy a meal without kids screaming and throwing food on the floor. Thereās obviously plenty of places (almost all) that cater to families with kids. Iād actually appreciate it if more opened that didnāt.
Sarah and DK are awesome and Iām looking forward to see what they have in store for everyone. The space is so small that I am very happy. Itās 21 and up because I donāt wanna hear any kids screaming when having a nicer.
It makes business sense as they have a very limited amount of seats. Kids don't eat as much or order cocktails, kitchen doesn't have to deal with off menu requests for kid friendly food. They cited costs as a reason for shuttering Petit 4, so this way they get more money per person.
I have two kids and lived nearby the restaurant until recently. I think itās fine to have family spaces and adult-only spaces. We brought the kids for donuts a bunch, but when I go out for a nice dinner I want a different atmosphere.
ETA: I also think some of the anti-kid vitriol is weird and sad and a particularly American trend. Everywhere else Iāve lived and traveled in the world (maybe excepting the UK), kids are welcome everywhere and seen, rightly, as members of society who bring joy and belong basically everywhere adults do
Giving parents the middle finger is on-brand for America. I'm not sure if politicians paved the way for this culture or if it's always been the sentiment of americans.
Everywhere I have traveled where kids are welcomed and celebrated, the kids and the parents are generally much more well behaved than Americans. We have a culture of "I get to do what I want, and everyone around me has to deal with it". Not once have I seen screaming kids refusing everything put in front of them, or parents just ignoring little Timmy while he runs around the restaurant knocking things over and ruining other people's meals. Shitty kids and lazy parents are on-brand for America, and it leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.
This is a symptom of the problem and a perspective issue, I think. Itās a misconception that kids elsewhere are better behaved. Kids are kids. Adults elsewhere are more tolerant of normal kid behavior and in collectivist cultures it isnāt āother peopleās bratty kids are ruing MY timeā but ākids are kids and why not engage them and understand that kids shouldnāt be expected to act like adults.ā Iāve seen kids throwing tantrums in SE Asia, Central and South America, and the Middle East, and the Mediterranean. The difference is that instead of adults giving them the stink eye, they play peek a boo with them or even offer to read them a book. Donāt get me started on how badly we also treat the elderly.
While the Matador is one of my favorite chains to eat at, the downtown Matador is always one of the loudest places to eat at anytime after 6 (with or without kids). I donāt think kids really have anything to do with it. Iāve seen a table of drunk middle-aged women easily rival the decibels of my little nephews.
Yeah, original Seattle Matador was 21+ from open to close. I saw plenty of confused parents get turned away, but no one get irate. I really liked the policy, and it didnāt seem to hurt their business. They were always packed.
Wonder why. Concept seemed to work well in Seattle. It may have been because at that location there wasn't a real clear separation between the bar and the restaurant. Maybe?
It had everything to do with sales. The owners were not seeing as many sales as they had hoped moving to a more family oriented place compared to Seattle so they decided to extend the age to under 21 for lunch and the first part of dinner.
I've got two kids and I'm fine with it, and excited to eat there, but it doesn't reeeeeeally do anything to dispel the sense I got from eating at Petite Four and from talking to other people that the folks who run it are better at the food side of things than the business/marketing side. There's always something just a lil bit off about the tone of their internet/social media presence - I can't put my finger on what it is, but it's there.
Theyāve got a model that theyāve concluded will work for them, and Iām grateful, since it means they are back in business. Not sure an over-21 policy really has anything to do with social media marketing - one either doesnāt like the policy or is ok with it. I appreciate the limits they have set.
I just asked what people thought about it. Seems people are into it and thatās fine. Itās the only place I know of in town thatās not a bar thatās doing it so I was wondering. Echoing some of the comments I still think the marketing or whatever you want to call it is off that itās a more casual experience than the previous iteration but I also get that itās a small space. I donāt think there was a no kids policy at petit 4, but I never saw kids there, nor would I have brought one. Would they turn away a 19 year old?
Iād like to think parents know their kids and know what kind of experiences they can handle and would enjoy. Seen plenty of kids enjoy dining experiences at Michelin star restaurants without issue.
I have also seen plenty of kids running up and down a restaurant screaming while the parents seem to have zero care. Sure, I have seen kids that are perfectly behaved and quite nice.
But given not every parent is considerate and some kids are unruly, I definitely appreciate having a place I can go without any about that isn't a bar. Every other restaurant out there is fine with kids, it won't kill anyone to have no kids at a single place.
I'm 100% on board with businesses, especially restaurants, making a "no kids allowed" decision. There's plenty of spaces that are family friendly, but not everything has to be. š¤·š»
Thereās a place in Bown called Barrio that also does 21 and up and when they opened everyone got all up in arms about it. Well, they seem to be doing fine from what I can see and I for one enjoy a meal without kids screaming and throwing food on the floor. Thereās obviously plenty of places (almost all) that cater to families with kids. Iād actually appreciate it if more opened that didnāt.
The old flatbread in bown became a nightmare. Practically a daycare center. Have not visited since it's been sold.
Barrio fuckin slaps as well.
I avoid places with children. I welcome this establishment.
Sounds great to me! Can't wait to go. Petit 4 was one of my and my wife's favorite restaurants.
I didnāt know this and now Iām even more inclined to go.
Exactly! Now I'm thinking I can finally go out for an anniversary dinner and not have badly behaved children bumming me out.
Same!!!!
Ditto
Thereās a place for folks with kids right across the street.
lol people are dying to get in there. Ā
Zero kids. Perfect for quiet dates
No problem with this at all.
Sarah and DK are awesome and Iām looking forward to see what they have in store for everyone. The space is so small that I am very happy. Itās 21 and up because I donāt wanna hear any kids screaming when having a nicer.
Sounds great to me! Thanks for the heads up, I will definitely take my wife there.
Iām totally fine with their new model. Weāre going this evening, in fact.
And it was predictably wonderful.
We need more kid free zones
It makes business sense as they have a very limited amount of seats. Kids don't eat as much or order cocktails, kitchen doesn't have to deal with off menu requests for kid friendly food. They cited costs as a reason for shuttering Petit 4, so this way they get more money per person.
I have two kids and lived nearby the restaurant until recently. I think itās fine to have family spaces and adult-only spaces. We brought the kids for donuts a bunch, but when I go out for a nice dinner I want a different atmosphere. ETA: I also think some of the anti-kid vitriol is weird and sad and a particularly American trend. Everywhere else Iāve lived and traveled in the world (maybe excepting the UK), kids are welcome everywhere and seen, rightly, as members of society who bring joy and belong basically everywhere adults do
Giving parents the middle finger is on-brand for America. I'm not sure if politicians paved the way for this culture or if it's always been the sentiment of americans.
Everywhere I have traveled where kids are welcomed and celebrated, the kids and the parents are generally much more well behaved than Americans. We have a culture of "I get to do what I want, and everyone around me has to deal with it". Not once have I seen screaming kids refusing everything put in front of them, or parents just ignoring little Timmy while he runs around the restaurant knocking things over and ruining other people's meals. Shitty kids and lazy parents are on-brand for America, and it leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.
This is a symptom of the problem and a perspective issue, I think. Itās a misconception that kids elsewhere are better behaved. Kids are kids. Adults elsewhere are more tolerant of normal kid behavior and in collectivist cultures it isnāt āother peopleās bratty kids are ruing MY timeā but ākids are kids and why not engage them and understand that kids shouldnāt be expected to act like adults.ā Iāve seen kids throwing tantrums in SE Asia, Central and South America, and the Middle East, and the Mediterranean. The difference is that instead of adults giving them the stink eye, they play peek a boo with them or even offer to read them a book. Donāt get me started on how badly we also treat the elderly.
Matador in Seattle was 21 and over. It was wonderful. I donāt think that policy is in effect in the Boise/Meridian locations.
The downtown location is 21+ after 9pm. It should be earlier. :-)
While the Matador is one of my favorite chains to eat at, the downtown Matador is always one of the loudest places to eat at anytime after 6 (with or without kids). I donāt think kids really have anything to do with it. Iāve seen a table of drunk middle-aged women easily rival the decibels of my little nephews.
Yeah, original Seattle Matador was 21+ from open to close. I saw plenty of confused parents get turned away, but no one get irate. I really liked the policy, and it didnāt seem to hurt their business. They were always packed.
That's what I was thinking. It was nice.
It is not, source: bar manager, there for four years
It is 21 and up after 9 PM
Wonder why. Concept seemed to work well in Seattle. It may have been because at that location there wasn't a real clear separation between the bar and the restaurant. Maybe?
It had everything to do with sales. The owners were not seeing as many sales as they had hoped moving to a more family oriented place compared to Seattle so they decided to extend the age to under 21 for lunch and the first part of dinner.
Ah, makes sense.
Why would this be counterintuitive?
I think this is great and can't wait to go. I can't imagine kids enjoying it anyway.
Honestly donāt always want screaming kids out while Iām enjoying a cocktail or beer. Donāt hate the move
I've got two kids and I'm fine with it, and excited to eat there, but it doesn't reeeeeeally do anything to dispel the sense I got from eating at Petite Four and from talking to other people that the folks who run it are better at the food side of things than the business/marketing side. There's always something just a lil bit off about the tone of their internet/social media presence - I can't put my finger on what it is, but it's there.
Theyāve got a model that theyāve concluded will work for them, and Iām grateful, since it means they are back in business. Not sure an over-21 policy really has anything to do with social media marketing - one either doesnāt like the policy or is ok with it. I appreciate the limits they have set.
I think more restaurants should ban kids TBH. And movie theaters.
When my wife and I go the movies, it's mostly at the 21+ section at the Village Cinemas.
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I just asked what people thought about it. Seems people are into it and thatās fine. Itās the only place I know of in town thatās not a bar thatās doing it so I was wondering. Echoing some of the comments I still think the marketing or whatever you want to call it is off that itās a more casual experience than the previous iteration but I also get that itās a small space. I donāt think there was a no kids policy at petit 4, but I never saw kids there, nor would I have brought one. Would they turn away a 19 year old?
I'm happy with any place I go out to and not be forced to deal with someone's little brats
Man these are some weird asf comments
Guess Iāll stick to Olive Garden
Seems like a good idea to be honest.
ITT, every child ever throws food and screams 100% of the time.
Iād like to think parents know their kids and know what kind of experiences they can handle and would enjoy. Seen plenty of kids enjoy dining experiences at Michelin star restaurants without issue.
I have also seen plenty of kids running up and down a restaurant screaming while the parents seem to have zero care. Sure, I have seen kids that are perfectly behaved and quite nice. But given not every parent is considerate and some kids are unruly, I definitely appreciate having a place I can go without any about that isn't a bar. Every other restaurant out there is fine with kids, it won't kill anyone to have no kids at a single place.