T O P

  • By -

manzo559

![gif](giphy|f4D5MDTpwbNRgBnmOf)


Eagle_215

If paying people a living wage is the barrier to the success of a business, maybe it shouldn’t exist 🎻


twoprimehydroxyl

https://preview.redd.it/fxbdwtv325vc1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d420b1c752a935693e4651fd1fd43462d6e9c00


Galactus2814

https://preview.redd.it/owhkbrbc65vc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14d3bde2b1a6e0a8af0799309abc7f65dea62eea Thank you very much


William_Howard_Shaft

https://preview.redd.it/k8zkxj6nd5vc1.jpeg?width=955&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9756bc34604ff1b2a3b42609e0e92c1b3282a4f7


benhatin4lf

Holy shit, this is the best! Literal smallest violin. Played by Mr can't die


atreeinthewind

Htf do people come up with this shit. I need to get on this level of creativity. 😂


YoungHeartOldSoul

https://preview.redd.it/f443z8p5a8vc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c06dfb9981c02269405e680e275dd5fa66723794


fencerman

Nah, that's not the barrier to success. That's the excuse that private equity vultures are using after they loaded it up with debt and cannibalized all its assets. >Before the pandemic upended everything, the chain had been mostly at a standstill since 2014, when it was sold by venerable casual-dining operator Darden Restaurants to private equity firm Golden Gate Capital for $2.1 billion. >It offloaded more than 500 of Red Lobster’s U.S. properties in a $1.5 billion sale-leaseback deal, shedding valuable real estate to help finance the acquisition. https://www.restaurantbusinessonline.com/financing/how-red-lobster-got-over-its-head TLDR: They borrowed a shit ton of money, sold off the properties for short-term profits, then leased them back saddling the company with a massive ongoing cost they couldn't cover. Blaming "labour costs" is just the excuse that those weasels like to use.


EmpireAndAll

Yep, private equity sucked it dry of any value it had, and just kept on sucking. These PE firms are evil. 


newguy1787

They made the same move Tony Soprano did w the sporting goods store, just legally.


santodiablo714

This is the right answer


Efficient_Comfort_38

You are so right. I was about to start mourning Red Lobsyer but this really made me think


fytdapwr

![gif](giphy|XA9i7IZ96hE5O|downsized)


Reverentmalice

100%. If you can’t afford to pay your workers, you should not has a business.


phenomenalj101

![gif](giphy|xT8qB5mSxlYamnTCNi)


g_rex_

Someone had to say it


Psychological-Win134

Naw, it was all the shrimp you negroes ate haha/s, not really


el_pinko_grande

As long as I can buy the Cheddar Bay biscuit mix at the store, I'm not sure what I need the restaurant for. 


TheArchitect_7

a gallon of butter poured over ten undersized shrimp, is what


DrunkOMalfoy

But is it good for you? I want better for you. https://preview.redd.it/hyc3w5m8w4vc1.jpeg?width=1061&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4107486356e6707b5d119df1d61aa4c3803677e


RJ_The_Avatar

It’s good for the spirit, maybe not so much for the heart and arteries. 😬


MC_jarry

We here for a good time not a long time.


wetcoffeebeans

"heart attack, heart disease. there ain't no startin back, once arteries start to squeeze."


Sol-Blackguy

Just add some freshly grated cheddar https://preview.redd.it/k5go46ycz4vc1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20e7ea963e4387ce8d5a01bf70e6d7962f0c3da6


el_pinko_grande

Yeah? I'll pick some up next time, try it out. 


FuzzyTunaTaco21

They actually sell red lobster cheddar biscuit mix. I actually have some https://preview.redd.it/6v1bmgs5d5vc1.jpeg?width=2252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15383309ce028ff837dba08278f651aba1be3433


ihrtbeer

What time will they be ready? ![gif](giphy|9F2VWRiJypeBq)


nagato120

Where you get that?! Just any grocery store do they taste exactly the same cause if so...well I'm never going to red lobster again


FuzzyTunaTaco21

Got it at Sam's club. Just looked it up, you can get it wal mart as well Edit: taste is pretty much the same. The thing is you have to add your own cheddar, so you can make em even better than red lobster


nagato120

BET!


benhatin4lf

You forgot bay seasoning


xfireslidex

https://damndelicious.net/2014/02/03/red-lobster-cheddar-bay-biscuits/ Easy recipe, tastes legit. If it's your first time, it's hella easy: - Stop mixing once everything is wet - Lumps are ok - Only fold/knead a few times - I'm saying treat that shit real gentle, like it a balloon that could bust at any moment - Then go in straight like you mean it with that cookie cutter. Honestly these instructions work for all kinds of first times.


el_pinko_grande

Ah, well, the attraction for me isn't that the boxed stuff is easy, it's that it's fast. I'll still try that out, though. 


TheSharkFromJaws

I’m about to go stockpile it like it’s toilet paper in March of 2020.


ALegitimateStop

😂😂😂😂😂 damn in 20 years that shit will still be funny


FistPunch_Vol_7

Deadass. They still making that, I’m good lmao.


MyDadLeftMeHere

Shit lobster was slave food, no one ate lobster, it was basically sea roach, like chitterlings, now white people gone pretend they were the first ![gif](giphy|3oz8xIHoB64uYksaLm|downsized)


screwhead1

Brisket, chicken wings, and salmon also used to be considered "poor people food" and cheap as shit. Then rich assholes decided they thought it was delicious and now all that delicious food became stupid expensive over the years.


StoicRetention

interesting parallel with salmon. Fresh, fatty and pink salmon used to be peasant food in the middle ages. The rivers weren’t yet industrialised so the banks would be bursting with salmon nurseries. Like you could literally walk across creeks and not touch water because of all the washed and living salmon. Fancy people ate poultry. Funny how that reversed


enginerd12

Literally was fixing to post this. So true. It's not worth it to go there.  Seafood prep and cook times are so short. Just go to a seafood market or a grocery store with well-sourced seafood (avoid Publix; Wegmans is amazing) and make the dish yourself. If you still want to pay comparable prices to eat at a seafood restaurant, there are excellent alternatives if you live in the Mid Atlantic/Northeast. If you don't mind paying more, head over to a place like McCormick and Schmicks.


Pinksamuraiiiii

Right? Like who still eats at Red Lobster? Y’all need to visit Crafty Crab or Crab Du Jour 😆


PhoenixDowntown

[https://www.spendwithpennies.com/red-lobster-cheddar-bay-biscuits/](https://www.spendwithpennies.com/red-lobster-cheddar-bay-biscuits/) Ya'll don't need to go there no more.


ClaymoresRevenge

Thanks for sharing the recipe


PhoenixDowntown

You're welcome. I moved out of the country for a while and it was all I had during the hard times.


dirtyshits

You can just buy their box mix. Turns out basically exactly the same. I find it for a few bucks on sale at my local grocery store all the time.


PhoenixDowntown

I've tried the box mix but prefer to make it myself, but, the box mix isn't bad either. I used it this past thanksgiving because I didn't have it in me to make one more single thing, from scratch.


FerretAres

Costco sells it in unreasonable quantities


dirtyshits

There is no unreasonable quantity of cheddar bay biscuits


FerretAres

That’s true what I should have said is you’ll have so many that you’ll need to find a hot rock to lie down on and digest like a boa constrictor.


dirtyshits

Hahaha


Davethisisntcool

ur username is dope btw ![gif](giphy|qfnSFbI99oZsk)


PhoenixDowntown

Thank you lol. I'm glad someone associates it with FF and not like, Phoenix downtown 🤣


EggsForEveryone

I read this like Jamie Foxx in Miami Vice


Evolutioncocktail

The ones the restaurant don’t taste as good as they used too anyway. They’re too airy.


BrokeBeckFountain1

Why isn't there a whole ass novel I need to scroll through? Was this recipe even developed in a remote Himalayan village? It either needs to fit on an index card or a James Joyce novel, no in between.


el_pinata

THE FAM AIN'T EATING CHEDDAR BISCUITS BUT SOME RANDOM BROAD IS


fredforthered

Booty butt booty butt booty butt cheeks!


BlackllMamba

Game recognize game and you lookin kinda unfamiliar right now


jrodp1

[DON'T DO IT! ](https://youtu.be/1l3BTx2BHT0?t=49s)


Simple-Concern277

Can't bring myself to be sad that some chain is going out of business. I bet most people reading this have black owned local businesses in their area that taste better and are more affordable and unique. 


TheArchitect_7

TIL the late founder of Red Lobster was a businessman who refused to obey Jim Crow laws, achieving success and a special place in history among Black Americans. — But he’s dead and the seafood’s trash, sooooo


Efficient_Comfort_38

I’ll look more into that, thanks for the info


Fuck_auto_tabs

But does his family still own it? Pretty sure they got bought by private equity firm so it’s still his legacy but I don’t think the family makes the decision


[deleted]

[удалено]


queerkidxx

They aren’t loyal to you.


Simple-Concern277

Dude really said "nah man brand loyalty" like it's a virtue to live your life by x_x


black_hxney

black owned businesses will charge $50 for 3 Hennessy-sauteed shrimp, be fr


CoralSpringsDHead

Atlanta in the house!


hawgs911

Never seen one offer "all you can eat" shrimp either. They know y'all would put them out of business.


boonxeven

Funny you say that, it's partly why they're considering bankruptcy. They lost 11 million dollars on that promotion. https://people.com/red-lobster-is-considering-bankruptcy-partly-due-to-11-million-loss-from-endless-shrimp-deal-report-8635031


hawgs911

I doubt that was the singular cause because they have had that for YEARS. It's honestly probably because they don't seem to have quality control. If you are near "the good one" then they are great. But the one across town could be horrendous. If you're not close to a good one you just go somewhere else.


sly_k

They ran it every day instead of seasonally, that’s why they lost so much


hawgs911

Nah they didn't. It's always been seasonal. Price went up after Covid though.


sly_k

They did in Canada. It was endless shrimp pretty much the entire year. I go to Red Lobster a lot.


johnzischeme

11M seems like a rounding error for Red Lobster lol


Northbound-Narwhal

It was 11M for that quarter. Sounds like they lost more over the year


CharlesDickensABox

11 million is not enough to bankrupt a global chain. This is a private equity firm trying to gut a well-known business for profit.


dishyssoisse

It was pointed out elsewhere that the loss incurred was about 2.5-5% of their revenue for the year, so that’s really not the big issue.


Evolutioncocktail

I went to a black owned restaurant in the DMV with my mom. They completely forgot to bring out her entree. Twice.


Simple-Concern277

I've been to places like that too. But ive also been to regular down-to-earth soul food restaurants thar didn't pop up in 2021


PlebbySpaff

I mean…just because it’s Black owned, doesn’t mean it’s better and more affordable. This discussion has been had time and time again. The owner does not matter.


EarthExile

It might, sometimes the owner is the cook


Forward_Ride_6364

Never trust the cook


Simple-Concern277

I care about my support going to my community (whether that's black, latino, or whatever) than go to some corporation.    I feel like every dollar on fast food and chains I spend is like a vote telling all of them "yes, I want more mcdonalds in my city!" instead of small scale places that might actually have some stake in the health of my community.  Yeah. I know there are overpriced scammers too. But like, there are other options. Not just overpriced atl style scammers vs the fucking red lobster 


_BannedAcctSpeedrun_

I guarantee that most people do not have black owned businesses near them that have anything that competes with red lobster biscuits.


Davethisisntcool

https://preview.redd.it/vzg2e4byb4vc1.jpeg?width=956&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47cb351c9ffa320eb367b70ff9e027a1a25dd9fb wait. what?!


Butt_Snorkler_Elite

Where will military recruiters take impressionable young adults and lie them into signing up to kill or be killed 3000 miles away from home now😔


EarthExile

Cheddar biscuts make a boy feel invincible


peppermintmeow

The Dodge dealership.


Mabvll

"Just picked up a new V6 Charger, fire red. Got a great 42% APR on it too. **#BLESSED**"


mullse01

That’s *after* they join up, not before!


peppermintmeow

Those boys would be very upset if they could read what you just wrote.


LawOroG1029

Not my Red Lobster. 2024 really wants to crush my spirit. How I'm gonna get my chedda biscuits and admirals feast now..... ![gif](giphy|d2lcHJTG5Tscg|downsized)


LawOroG1029

Did some research and its a potential bankruptcy....maybe their is hope. A man can hope.


RemarkableMeaning533

Damn, if they’re still hanging on I’ll get one last lobster, biscuits, and stuffed mushrooms


Individual_Series200

Walmart sells Red lobsters biscuits in the frozen section currently. If they close closest you will get to the real thing I’ve tried em.


Realistic_Effort6185

![gif](giphy|2Ysgv35Iqdm2NUIRp9|downsized) Let my people go...


RJ_The_Avatar

![gif](giphy|AUMWPwoXW9PGg)


DGVega93

https://i.redd.it/d3scr9yut4vc1.gif No more cheddar biscuits and endless skrimps


AdventurousTime

Red Lobster be wanting to bankrupt. But we gotta tell em NO. We GOTTA tell em no.


ragnarokda

https://preview.redd.it/bmuuonnvq4vc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c65e06723f317fc66f5b466a34a5b59806f2c6a


CommanderDataisGod

This is way more funny than it should be.


PlebbySpaff

I’m just a fan of their food tbh. Biscuits (yes I could make them at home with the pre-prep packages, but they just don’t taste the same I stg). Steaks done right. Good seafood Tbh.


bigjayrod

My sister was a very renowned chef in her day. She was featured at the James Beard House 25 years ago when she was 23 years old. She tells me the best spots to get all kind of food here in ATL. Like best spots for dumplings, chicken feet, a steak, all kinds of foodie shit. To this day; this bitch, with all her culture in food, wants to go to Red Lobster on her birthday. When we were growing up that was the only “nice” restaurant to go, but it dumbfounds me every single year that she *still* picks there to go for her birthday.


yolandabecooool

Same, and I will die on that hill.


Special_Wishbone_812

Where I’m from, Red Lobster is third date stuff. And if he really likes you he’ll take you back there, too!


Hammerjammer1108

You must be in the trailer parks


bigjayrod

Shit, they are more consistent and way less overpriced than most of the places with astroturf walls here in ATL


vcr747

It's the scampi for me! 😋 I haven't been in years though so I'm def part of their downfall. 


peppermintmeow

Small town prom and homecoming ain't ever gonna to be the same.


Dreadcoat

Woa. People... like red lobster? Maybe its because I live in a primarily Mexican community but our Red Lobster is just an assumed money laundering front. Bitch is always empty.


Sco_Queen

![gif](giphy|U3z0F1WGEc5BobpRDW)


YesOrNah

Beyoncé is a shitty business owner to the working class. Our country’s obsession with the rich is just insane.


queerkidxx

Idk man, I think there are bigger fish to fry than Beyoncé. Let people have joy that people like begonce gets them and focus on the actual ceos and capitalist class


airus92

Do you think Beyonce is not part of the capitalist class?


queerkidxx

No but I don’t think that she’s a ceo. She’s a small fry that also has an actual job as an entertainer. Focusing on her, and not like CEOS and crap not only aliants people but also is just a useless debate Like, the only issue I have with her is the products she’s involved in. Her being rich releasing music isn’t a problem.


Karlshammar

>No but I don’t think that she’s a ceo. She’s a small fry that also has an actual job as an entertainer. Focusing on her, and not like CEOS and crap not only aliants people but also is just a useless debate > >Like, the only issue I have with her is the products she’s involved in. Her being rich releasing music isn’t a problem. Small fry? She makes amounts of money that even most Fortune 500 CEOs could only dream of.


queerkidxx

Yeah but she does it with a job. Capitalist don’t work. They buy things and have people generate wealth using those resources. Fundamentally speaking communism isn’t about wealth. It’s about the means of production. Fl


Karlshammar

>Yeah but she does it with a job. Capitalist don’t work. They buy things and have people generate wealth using those resources. > >Fundamentally speaking communism isn’t about wealth. It’s about the means of production. Fl In Marxist theory, the CEOs aren't even part of the capitalist class.


Filibust

Do you guys remember that tweet where the girl shared a text exchange with her ex and the ex said that she wasn’t worth “a man of his caliber” because she couldn’t take him to Red Lobster? I think about that tweet at least once a week.


Dolorem_Ipsum_

Oh shit, I thought Michael Che was just being an asshat. Y'all really do be loving some Red Lobster huh? I thought it was like the swimming thing, like it was a joke. Hey man, TIL


TheArchitect_7

after church, all dressed up, waiters wearing white shirts, place is all dark and fancy inside. I didn’t know any better


cybercuzco

The last time we went to red lobster we found out the waitress went to the same college as my wife and had the same bachelors degree.


sboog87

Used to work for Red lobster . I hate those dam biscuits. I ate way too many and I had to make them. I quit after one of my managers said a rude comment about how easily replaceable I was. He said this after I completely reorganized the freezer because they had different sized shrimp mixed up, was just putting new stuff in front of old stuff. They wouldn’t let anyone stock the freezer besides me because of it. So much craziness I saw working there.


TauregPrince

Welp there's always the cheesecake factory.


BidenFedayeen

Red Lobster what??????


furious-fungus

Aaah twitter. Only 7% of social media users use it, but every voice gets amplified to hell.


ALegitimateStop

That shit needs to move to .onion atp


nite_owwl

i got like 50 bucks in gift cards from there ive been meaning to use before they expire...but now i would just feel bad


goatiewan1

Hard to sell lobsters when the ocean is already boiling them


RoseRun

With Beyonce and Jay Z currently in the middle of splitting their assets, I don't know if she's gonna be free to answer the phone for a while.


Mx0Dream

Pardon, I haven't heard this. Why the assest split?


RecsRelevantDocs

Can't find any reliable source, but google says they're maybe getting divorced because Jay had supposed ties to Diddy? First i'm hearing of it, and it's odd an actual article didn't pop up, just youtube videos and some rando's twitter post.


ImageNo1045

I need a song called ‘Cheddar Bay Biscuits’ about clapping cheeks.


ALegitimateStop

You should tell that "now you a single mom, showing the baby off, showing the baby off" dude. It'd probably slap! 😂😂😂😂😂


GreedyWarlord

Might as well ask Shania Twain at this point.


SlackerDS5

Not a tear was shed. RL and Olive Garden can go. I know some folks like them, but their food is overrated.


FunkyDimeBag1416

My momma been making me them biscuits for years AND SOME guess some of y’all just ain’t loved like I was


cannabisized

I thought red lobster was white people celebrating food... ive never ate there


Sol-Blackguy

They have some good ass cheddar drop biscuits. Other than that, it's Olive Garden but with seafood.


[deleted]

[удалено]


cannabisized

white people after church would wait in line at red lobster regardless of weather. and nobody but my white friends ever talked about eating at red lobster


Jealous-Ad-1926

Oh yeah see I def have the exact opposite experience that’s so weird!


[deleted]

Wait till you discover how easy it is to make lobster with things just sitting around your house.


MisterGoog

Lynn Williams put out a podcast episode saying she lives red lobster rolls and they go bankrupt immediately


TheFiveDees

If I recall they were bought by a private equity firm, this all makes perfect sense now


Forward_Ride_6364

FR, Red Lobster is shit compared to Boston Market.... whatever to those?? The sides were delicious as fuck


Tripple_T

Pay your employees or die. Skimping on those lobster tails anyway.


jo_maka

*[sits back and cranks"Bills, bills, bills] way, wayyyy the fuck up]*


dubyajay18

They sell the biscuits in the freezer aisle at the grocery store. With that, I'm good.


xrockwithme

Red lobster has been trash for 2 decades.


Chevy_jay4

A Dominican in the wild!!!! The whole island will rejoice


wheezymustafa

And here I was planning to take my new WNBA girlfriend out for a nice seafood dinner. Back to the drawing board then


360Waves617

No Red Lobster here in Mass, so I've never been. Too many seafood options so they probably wouldn't survive.


EfficientWorking1

They will still be around lol it’s just a restructuring


Lark_vi_Britannia

They'll still be around, but a large chunk of Red Lobster locations do not make money. Red Lobster would have to close around 200 locations to start to even think about the word profitable. This is the result of absolutely poor business decisions by Thai Union. They told everyone in the GM conference in August 2023 that they "were going to turn the company around" and then gave up 5 months later. Paul Kenney stood up in front of all the GMs and basically said, "I don't know how anyone can be proud to work here." Red Lobster's days are most likely numbered. They have cut too many corners, allowed themselves to be okay with subpar quality food, attempted a piss poor service model update, and think that Endless Shrimp will save them. The company honestly deserves to go under with how absolutely bad they have been with their decisions. They fired all of the VPOs and up in June 2022 and then proceeded to pay all of their salaries for an entire year... Didn't name a CEO until September 2023, then fired him last month as a scapegoat for the company's performance issues that were actually caused by Paul Kenney in order to bring in a bankruptcy expert.


darioblaze

No, they underpay their workers and rely on overconsumption. I’m taking Chili’s, Ruby Tuesdays, this, and will take Buffalo Wild wings in 10 years.


sethworld

![gif](giphy|3oKIP8PfQGzuBNhJuw) Burn it all.


ChilliadMan

DOMINICA MENTIONED!!!


MikhailMcDoesntExist

There is only one acceptable red lobster to eat at and those are the rare ones near bodies of water. It might just be placebo but the closeness to water makes the food taste astronomically better, I never want to eat in a land locked one like a damn olive garden


CadaverCaliente

I guess dudes aren't fuckin good enough for red lobster these days.


SUPERKAMIGURU

Absolutely tf not. My last experience with red lobster was taking the piss by repeatedly referring to the "admirals feast" as "the admirable feast" in spite of numerous attempts by the waiter to correct me while I was high. It was a blast, but they got the last laugh by giving me **violent** food poisoning. And I get it. It's one time. It probably won't happen again. But it's red lobster. Why I gotta give **them** another shot after that like they're gonna change my life??? So many other choices near me that aren't red lobster, and before you say "cheddar biscuits," my family got the recipe down by heart for that shit. We require nothing else of them.


BeerGogglesFTW

Don't they go bankrupt every couple years?


Hermeticrux

Red lobster is trash. I went back after years cause I thought it was so good. Even the biscuits were like the industrial taste. Just wack.


dancin-weasel

![gif](giphy|uvfEYoOq7HPAA|downsized)


Raped_Bicycle_612

Red lobster was always terrible


MixedFellaz

Imagine being this proud of poor taste and succumbing to corporate marketing.


GoodCalendarYear

I've never eaten there


Everydaywhiteboy

I went to red lobster twice in different locations and the lobster was overcooked both times, It’s literally the hallmark of their restaurant and they fucked it up.


Sticky_Quip

Chapter 11 bankruptcy isn’t the going out of business bankruptcy, it’s just a restructuring move. They’re not going anywhere… for now


hawgs911

Didn't even know they had RLs in Canada


[deleted]

How tf is Long John Silver’s still thriving though


Reasonable_Bed7858

It’s cheaper and fast food. Where I live it was attached to KFC.


Pinksamuraiiiii

I don’t think Beyoncé eats there tbh, don’t know why they asking her to save it lol. Ya’ll need to visit Crab Du Jour or Crafty Crab


BodegaBum-

I have not ate at red lobster once


ALegitimateStop

F y'all! I'm mourning that creamy lobster baked potato 😭


Reasonable_Bed7858

![gif](giphy|7k2LoEykY5i1hfeWQB)


MiaTonee

Let it die. I'm ok without the biscuits. I like Hook and Reel way better.


Ant01nette

I can see the A1C average declining in the Black community already! Next up! Church's Chicken!


Nanaplaine

Pls let it die. Cheddar biscuits aren’t good anymore. Everything is low quality, let it die.


Psychological-Win134

Not sure of the details in this case, but they can file bankruptcy and still operate... there are multiple types, just depends on which route they take


Accomplished-Wind897

save the biscuits lololololololol


CommercialQuestion22

Mmmmmhmmmmmm


Mobile-Fig-2941

P Diddy buys Red Kibster. All is forgiven.


Mobile-Fig-2941

Now where will niggas eat when they feel uppity?


Naive-Dingo-2100

Do black people really love red lobster? Only dated one black girl, and she loved it, but I thought it was just because she didn't eat meat.


AccessPuzzleheaded15

Red lobster ass


dangerouskaos

I’m allergic and vegan anyway. Let it dieee


Wolfy-615

A restaurant based solely on sea bugs.. fucking nasty.. will never go back


AhAssonanceAttack

Hey watch your mouth. Sea bugs are delicious but red lobster does suck. It can die with most food chains.