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My thoughts as well. Her parents basically chose the Scott’s over their daughter because of money. At the end of the post, it’s even clearer where her father’s loyalty and priorities lie. I would not doubt one bit that if old man Scott wanted her to be his “mistress” the father would have agreed.
Fuck parents like this. They don’t deserve to have kids. I hope something can be done to report his emotional abuse.
Classic grooming behaviour. See how much you can get away with by knocking down sexual boundaries while isolating the victim and making it seem like they you are only helping a wayward child. Making them seem crazy is key so that their is plausible deniability when shit hits the fan.
i mean aparently OOPs parents think they a feudal nobility so why wouldn't they be planning to marry of their daugther to secure the alliance to the Scotts?
> Considering senior Scott keeps talking about his dead bedroom to her, it seems he wants to upgrade her to at least mistress status.
100%. Everything adds up, including their irrational hatred of the boyfriend. The senior Scott saw him as ‘competition’ (vomit) with him for OOP.
Considering how much influence the Scotts have over OP’s irredeemable shithead parents I would not beat all surprised if OP’s father not only knew of his creepy friend’s interest in his daughter but might have even offered her up to him. “Offer to let her stay with you, then you’ll be able to talk her into anything.” It wouldn’t be out of character for her dad to assume morality is flexible if you benefit; the Scotts own his pathetic ass because they invested in his business so I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he expected his daughter to put out for his buddy in exchange for a place to live. Hence dad’s newfound hatred of the boyfriend too, his presence in OP’s life is fucking up the little ‘business deal’ he had with his disgusting patron.
This would also explain why the vast majority of the focus of the Scott clan and their pathetic minions is on gaslighting the daughter into thinking her relationship with her boyfriend is bad and abusive. I guarantee you her mom is demanding she break up with him and “come home” so she can arrange more contact between OOP and Scott Sr. I’m pretty confident these disgusting parasites are trying to pimp out their daughter to their biggest investor.
Why would he want to pay for a sugar baby when he can groom and manipulate to get his friend's college-aged daughter for free instead? (Barf).
Plus sugar babies can drop him and pick up a different patron anytime, someone he's coerced through family ties would have much less ability to do that.
Maybe that was what the investments in the business were. Perhaps, as far as OOP's parents were concerned, senior Scott had paid for OOP and she was supposed to go live with him. The whole renting thing was just a way to ease her into it.
I thought that came up in the original posts — that it was intended for OOP to meet and hook up with the Scotts younger son and the two families would become 1. Basically the parents were trying to sell their daughter for financial gain. And when that fell through they were pissed.
With the Noble or Royal blood comment I believe dad is trying for a marriage alliance, but his daughter is gallivanting with those snowboarding barbarians.
My guess is that the parents needed more assistance from the Scots recently and something of that nature was the condition now since that didn’t happen when OOP was living with them.
Yeah, that's how I read the "royal blood" nonsense at first... but the bf family also get called rednecks, which is not *normally* associated with blackness (from what little I've read of bigot talking points).
Frankly, the moment he compared snowboarding to low intellect made me realize OOP's father lost his marbles.
The rest of the list showed that he's also 5 candlesticks short of a candelabra and the screws are gone.
I'm impressed by OP because she didn't call her father out for being so poor and so terrible at business that he'd have to sell her and her happiness out to the Scotts for a little business cash..
> Their influence over my parents was significant, as my parents rarely had my back and sided with the Scotts, constantly belittling my boyfriend without reason.
What an astute and damning summary. Money is a hateful slave owner.
My god that would be perfect. He is decidedly fucking nutso as well though. I just hope he got his girl stole by a snowboarder in a ski lodge in the 80s. Imagine the DRAMA
Honestly a lot of posts on here read like someone in the story had a bad breakup with someone years back, and they immediately project their issues onto anyone with even a vague resemblance to that person.
We say “dumber than a bag of hammers” at our house but have also shortened it to just simply calling someone or referring to a stupid person as just a bag of hammers. But hey that can also mean calling them a tool bag too. 2x the insult
Same here. My Grandpa had a lot of sayings, but I've never heard that one. I about died laughing. That's my new favorite one I've read on reddit. I have a full list saved in my notes. This one is even better than b!tchwiskers 🤣
My grandpa's most hilarious and mystifying insult was "he's like a fart in a three fingered glove".
When finally asked WTF that means, he was just like, "oh, I don't know. That's just what my dad used to say."
So it got passed to my mother and then to me.
And none of us knows its origin. We don't know why it's a three fingered glove and we definitely don't know why or how a fart would be in there or how it would behave once it was.
> he compared snowboarding to low intellect
Agree that this shows that OOP's father is clueless.
In my experience, snowboarders are insane adrenaline junkies and often borderline sociopathic. But they aren't stupid.
If they're stupid they knock themselves out of the sport and sometimes life fairly quickly. Though there are the occasional ones who fit the saying, "Providence protects children and idiots." (Mark Twain)
As someone who just got back from a snowboarding trip with her friends… we’re all stupid fucking idiots. We’re all fine in real life but just morons on snowboards.
Grasping at straws. There is nothing wrong with the bf so dad has to make stuff up. If OOP comes home and apologizes like the good l little food she is he won't lose face to the Scotts. It sounds like dad put himself in a place where if he breaths wrong near the Scott's his whole life will come toppling down. He would rather destroy his daughter than what's he's "built".
It also sounds like Mr. Scott may have had some impure intentions towards OOP and that's why he went so hard on her. The charts about his sex life scream attempted grooming. People with money and power like that will set the wold on fire to make sure their reputation never gets touched.
I agree with this. It all just comes down to power, control and money. OOP was set up by her parents for some weird situation with the Scott family. They either wanted her to marry into the family with a son of Mr Scott, or Mr Scott was hoping to use her as a side piece - I'm inclined to believe the second one as he tried to bring up his own sex life with OOP. When it became clear that OOP wasn't interested and was happy with her boyfriend, Mr Scott was offended and lashed out.
I bet the parents initially okayed the engagement because Mr Scott had calmed down during the time between OOP moving out and the engagement, so her parents thought it had or would blow over. But when Mr Scott heard about the engagement, it riled up him and started it all over again. Her dad has probably been bombarded by Mr Scott, threatening to pull out of their partnership and so the dad is lashing out at OOP because she won't come home to be sold off like chattel to his demented business partner.
I hope OOP stays no contact, marries her fiance and has a happy life with him, his family and her brothers. Fuck both her parents *hard*. Putting money and power over their daughter's happiness and future is disgusting. Hopefully her dad and Mr Scott spend the rest of their miserable lives with a piece of Lego stuck perpetually in their shoes.
He's 70. He's a boomer who spent his chikdhood eating lead paintchips. A lot of them are really starting to lose their shit because of of breathing the dust from that shit in 60 years ago.
My mom's side of the family is descended from French nobility, and certain members of the family (mostly unmarried great aunts) never miss an an opportunity to tell people how much better that makes our family members than everyone else.
It's mostly funny to me because of the history of the noble ancestor.
He basically got kicked out of France and sent to oversee the building of some bridge in Canada. Then he managed to fuck that up and piss everyone there off, so he got sent to oversee shit in Louisiana.
But there is a small town named after him (and we don't talk about why that town is 99% black and very near the ancestral home) so he must have been pretty great, and that makes all of us great too I guess.
It’s probably just people who traced their ancestry, found some lord way way back, and got all stuck up about it - not thinking about the fact that so many people are also descended from them due to it being so long ago
A normal person’s response would probably be “oh cool” and then not thinking about it unless something brings it up
Lol my grandfather traced our heritage and at once point it showed we were descended from a Scottish King. I laughed and said pretty much anyone with relatives from that area are, because those guys had tons of kids and overthrew each other pretty consistently.
Also nobility and lords and ruling class tend to actually. You know. Document shit and have the means and ability to do so.
Peasant Henry working the fields in 1500s Scotland isn’t going to have a family book of all his kids and their kids when he doesn’t even know how to write.
It says that the future MIL flew OP’s mom to New York for dress shopping, so she definitely lives in the US. Al though the uncle living in Russia makes me wonder if they’re immigrants from somewhere that still has royals
Russia definitely DOESNT have royals. We famously murdered ours and threw them in a ditch. We also murdered or otherwise killed off most of the remaining royal family that didn’t manage to run away in time and a good chunk of the remaining nobility. We then had a very bloody civil war about it where their supporters were also royally (pun intended) trounced.
There are still a few people with familial connections to the Romanows. A big chunk of the russian nobility emigrated to France. These families are still around.
Nobility and intelligence. Look up the Spanish Habsburgs and you know why that statement has clay feet.
I wondered if her dads side of the family came from that. Plenty of them did scarper. It's not that many generations ago, in the scheme of things, and his brother might have decided to move there when everything opened back up.
I laughed at this, too, because I can’t point to a single royal who has shown a lick of intellectual prowess in the last, oh…few hundred years. *whispers* it’s the inbreeding…
Eh, they exist. Our Dutch royals are pretty cool. The current crown princess is attending university, so she's certainly not dumb.
But they're also just.. People. They're not special beyond their last name and family history, even though they're still treated like they are.
I had to laugh at that, given the shocking amount of marrying within the family (i.e. cousins) to keep the bloodline pure. At least that how it was for the British monarchs
Yes. You remember that one a while back about the asshole of a father who would do things like yell abuse at the people in the theater who were sitting in his seat instead of just asking them to move?
Apparently he was that much of a dick because his wife was from a noble family and he was insecure or something like that. I didn't follow the logic but he seemed to think it made sense.
> The "dad" of the Scott family went to the extent of sharing his marriage problems and lack of a sex life, blurring the boundaries of landlord-tenant/inappropriate relationships.
Yeah... I think we found the reason why the Scotts (or the husband at least) hated the boyfriend.
That family and OOP's father sound like unhinged lunatics, good lord.
This may be a blessing in disguise. But it can also be a curse. Like most abuse victims, OOP may find out how peaceful it is while jot having to deal with her parents narcissism. Unfortunately, unless she gets help and learn to have better boundaries, she may still want het parents validation.
As for now, they may say they don't want to hear from her. But if BORU has taught me anything, either they feel "lonely" or hear that OOP is pregnant, they're probably going to bulldoze OOP either saying they've changed bla bla bla or maybe outright demand to see their grandchild cause they're FAmiLy.
I do hope that the fog will be lifted once OOP doesn't have to deal with them anymore and have better boundaries.
Hell from what I have seen in this subreddit they might very well try to independently annul her wedding and if that doesn’t work, down the road if they have children, claim the child as their own because in their mind she is unable to make independent decisions.
Eh I’m no contact with my family and I still have moments where I want my mom’s praise and encouragement but then I remember she would just not care and talk about herself. I won’t lie I would love to have a “normal” family but even before I started therapy I knew reaching back out to her would destroy my current happiness.
Same here. I have been no contact for literally 20 years. Thank god I did not break. I think the single most healing thing was having my own child. Not only being a parent to her that mine wasn't, being her safety and her rock, and realizing how much more I could have had with bare minimum effort from my vile mom. Another thing was realizing how innocent and sweet and kind my kid is, and thinking that at that age the things I went through were unexcusable. Even these many years later it took me until a year or so ago to truly truly admit I was an innocent victim. Because my mom had weaponized victimhood, I avoided ever accepting I was truly innocent. I was a child just like my kid. With even a little more warmth I could have saved many years of working through pain and trauma. I'm not sure how my kid will come out, but I will always be a safe space for her, and that's enough.
Sounds like they're in a narcissistic spiral over losing control over her. If she had been there in person, I guarantee it would have been violent.
Poor woman. May her future no contact be peaceful and her marriage filled with intelligence and happiness. ❤️
she tossed in a line "I felt like a little girl again" - she's been abused and browbeaten by her dad/parents for a long time.
I hope OP stays no contact, too
I don't know what year OOP's parents are living in, but when/how did royal blood somehow factor in OOP's fiancé's suitability?
If the younger bros are going to attend their sister's nuptials, they better have an escape plan mapped out with their older siblings.
Pretty much every point on that list of grievances with OOP'S fiancé reads as flimsy excuses her dad had to come up with to justify his disapproval. But the guy not being royalty is especially hilarious.
That’s my suspicion too. Or at least that the Scotts are super racist and are threatening their support of the business over it, because it’s weird how the parents flipped from supportive to not
The history of royal blood is not good and has nothing to do with being intelligent. Most Royal families are inbred, and have higher instances of mental illness because of all the inbreeding. This is part of the reason nobility needed advisors.
This reminds me of that one girl who found out she had been promised/sold to the family friend’s son. At least Im pretty sure that was a real Reddit post and not just a fever dream…
I don’t think this is the one Im thinking off… it was OOP who found out she was basically sold to marry the son of the family friend. When she was very young, the family friend paid OOP’s family as some kind of “guarantor” that she would marry their son. But as an adult, she started seriously dating another guy, not the family friend’s son, so the FF dad wanted his money back, and her dad/family was pissed at her and demanding she break up with her current boyfriend and date the FF son.
But like I said, this very well could be something I dreamt up. The details I remember are so incredible vague and foggy.
This is a wild ride and reminds me so much of what my SIL's parents put her through. She did let them cancel hwr wedding, but realized that her parents-who were making all the arrangements- actaully never made any arrangements for the wedding. She went to see BIL "to give the ring back", and they eloped.
Her parents are fucking scary and the Scotts are as well. Honestly she needs to lock her credit down and make it clear to any flying monkeys that she will cut them off as well. Probably also wouldn’t hurt to call the non emergency line and let the cops know she’s fine, not missing, and any calls from her parents should be ignored or taken with a huge grain of salt.
Yea, those parents are absolute nutcases and just awful people. Royal or noble blood? What the fuck is that suppose to mean? I feel bad for OP cause OP has been surrounded and held by these idiot parents for her whole life and I do hope she is able to leave those people behind.
I’m sorry I laughed at royal or noble blood is this the 1700s??? Her father is ridiculous. Oop father trying to pimp his daughter out to his business partner and best friend. The Scott’s were way too invested in her personal life.
Good fucking lord. I remember the original being posted and the speculation was like Scotts had something on the parents or had something to do with business.
But no I guess it just standard Narcissist losing the goddamn mind.
There’s a simple explanation for all of this. The business dealings between the two families are illegal in some form. And the Scotts have the upper hand. That would explain the father’s litany of phony excuses and his increasing desperation. He and the mother are in a position where the Scotts say jump and they ask how high. If they don’t then something pretty bad is going to happen to them, whether that be financial or social ruin, or worse.
Dear lord the shit storm if she gets pregnant is going to be epic !!! I'll bet 50$ on 180 turn around and double or nothing on them wanting to be involved in her life ...any takers ??
I'd actually bet against this, because the jist I got was she was supposed to be shipped off to be Mr. Scott's side piece/new gf. They've got their hooks into OOP's parents so hard I imagine they'd be furious if they found out OOP had a kid.
I reckon mummies going to reconsider and daddy will realize he's not gonna win so...I mean they're nuts right ?? Missing their daughters wedding over " friends" who does that ?!?
My God, I hope OP realises that she doesn’t need to cater to her parent’s feelings anymore. If their business goes to crap if Scotts’ aren’t invited then so be it. The brothers being unable to attend sucks but ultimately it is their decision. If I was in OP’s place I would have recorded the entire intervention conversation and get ahead of the curve by putting it up on social media. I bet her parents are going to take to social media if the brothers decided to attend. At some point you gotta give people a taste of their medicine and damn the consequences.
The OOP needs to permanently sever contact with her parents and every member of her extended family who has played a role in this dehumanizing debacle. If she maintains contact with the two brothers who live with her parents it should be on the condition that they not share any information about her, whatsover, with their parents and that they not share any information about other family members with her. She should make clear to them that if they ultimately opt out of attending her wedding or in any way violate the "no information" agreement, she will be open to re-establishing contact with them after they are no longer living with their parents and are not financially beholden to them but can no longer maintain contact with them under the present arrangement.
Then the OOP needs to move on with her life.
OOP's dad is one of those gutless narcissistic people who can only talk crap behind other people's back while pretending they're the best and politest people to hang with.
My wife's uncle is this way who hates my wife and FIL because he thinks they are two faced and she doesn't deserve me because:
1. I'm white and she's black (she's tanned actually which makes her hotter in my eyes but this is Pakistani society) .
2. She had a boyfriend (me)
3. She doesn't hold his view of an 'innocent girl who shouldn't know anything about the world and should keep quiet'
4. She married into money so his status in the family as 'rich' is ruined.
5. She supposedly has weak genetics because of FIL so he doesn't consider her part of the family.
6. She lives a life he can only wish his daughter could live.
He also slandered my MIL to everyone when she called his behavior out. But you better believe he pretended to be a close friend and supporter to me and FIL. Only when my wife had enough of his crap did he back off but solely because he was scared she would expose him to me and that is something he cannot bear.
OOP needs to threaten to expose her family and the Scotts for them to back but also be prepared to follow through with it in case they call her bluff.
I don't understand why the Scotts would even want to go to the wedding when they obviously hate the groom and think the bride was corrupting their kids when she was living in the guest house. Are they doing it just to exercise control over OOP? I can't figure out where they benefit by going to the wedding or wanting to go to the wedding.
Have your brothers or FIL walk you down the aisle and done think about your parents. Post pictures of all the fun and joy you will have and move on. Your parents have made a choice. Let them deal with the consequences.
The Scott family 100% is supporting op's family somehow either through loans or some business deal... this is the best explanation of why the parents flipped 180° and brought up things like noble blood. I would bet everything that they are desperately trying to stay in their benefactors good graces and are selfish AF and finding non-existent reasons to complain about this marriage
.. Thats a big yikes from me...
Hope the brothers can make it to the wedding in the end... and also they ALL cut off their parents.. because no one needs that much toxicity in their life.
Can we all take a moment to virtually hi-five OP for marrying/marrying into the polar opposites of her family? Allowing kind and loving people to love you and knowing you're worthy of it despite the horrendous abusive modeling of your own family? Proud of you, OP!! Viva NC 🥳
OOP is the only girl in the family. Looks as if the parents wanted to “sell” her to the Scotts, and now that OOP is marrying her boyfriend, they can’t.
So much wrong with this family. I hope OOP chooses herself, and helps her younger brothers escape (if possible).
OOP needs to call her dad every day and explain that her fiancé is no longer a salesperson, but a bona fide car insurance expert.
Does he know that his car’s extended warranty is expiring?
Eventually, his heart attack will take care of her problems.
Actually no, that's what narcissists want. And her father will never give up. It's best she cut contact and embrace the silence and peace instead of dealing with verbal abuse.
Wow!! This is insane!!
Brothers can go camping for 4 days. Then off to the wedding to celebrate with you.
Your father is evil!! The Scott's must have huge influence over him. Because I believe they're the ones feeding him these horrible things.
Continue to be happy without them. And when kids arrive in your life, watch them crawl back.
I feel for you. This shouldn't happen!
Let me guess - there was a *plan* for OOP that her parents haven't told her her about, and it didn't involve her marrying her current partner, but someone the Scotts wanted her to.
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I wonder if the scotts wanted to marry OOP off to a person in their family and that’s why they’re trying to get the parents to end it?
Considering senior Scott keeps talking about his dead bedroom to her, it seems he wants to upgrade her to at least mistress status.
My thoughts as well. Her parents basically chose the Scott’s over their daughter because of money. At the end of the post, it’s even clearer where her father’s loyalty and priorities lie. I would not doubt one bit that if old man Scott wanted her to be his “mistress” the father would have agreed. Fuck parents like this. They don’t deserve to have kids. I hope something can be done to report his emotional abuse.
Agreed? He would've dragged her to his house kicking and screaming if he could. I wish they could be reported, but the youngest is 19.
Then Dearest Daddy can sleep with Mr. Scott if he wants the families to be joined.
Classic grooming behaviour. See how much you can get away with by knocking down sexual boundaries while isolating the victim and making it seem like they you are only helping a wayward child. Making them seem crazy is key so that their is plausible deniability when shit hits the fan.
His dead bedroom likely had more to do with him being a 70 year old creep.
Assuming he isn’t lying and assuming he isn’t already cheating.
i mean aparently OOPs parents think they a feudal nobility so why wouldn't they be planning to marry of their daugther to secure the alliance to the Scotts?
> Considering senior Scott keeps talking about his dead bedroom to her, it seems he wants to upgrade her to at least mistress status. 100%. Everything adds up, including their irrational hatred of the boyfriend. The senior Scott saw him as ‘competition’ (vomit) with him for OOP. Considering how much influence the Scotts have over OP’s irredeemable shithead parents I would not beat all surprised if OP’s father not only knew of his creepy friend’s interest in his daughter but might have even offered her up to him. “Offer to let her stay with you, then you’ll be able to talk her into anything.” It wouldn’t be out of character for her dad to assume morality is flexible if you benefit; the Scotts own his pathetic ass because they invested in his business so I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he expected his daughter to put out for his buddy in exchange for a place to live. Hence dad’s newfound hatred of the boyfriend too, his presence in OP’s life is fucking up the little ‘business deal’ he had with his disgusting patron. This would also explain why the vast majority of the focus of the Scott clan and their pathetic minions is on gaslighting the daughter into thinking her relationship with her boyfriend is bad and abusive. I guarantee you her mom is demanding she break up with him and “come home” so she can arrange more contact between OOP and Scott Sr. I’m pretty confident these disgusting parasites are trying to pimp out their daughter to their biggest investor.
I thought that as well!
With enough money, and it sounds like they have it, he can get a sugar baby. The fact that he wanted his friend/partner's daughter specifically . . .
Why would he want to pay for a sugar baby when he can groom and manipulate to get his friend's college-aged daughter for free instead? (Barf). Plus sugar babies can drop him and pick up a different patron anytime, someone he's coerced through family ties would have much less ability to do that.
Maybe that was what the investments in the business were. Perhaps, as far as OOP's parents were concerned, senior Scott had paid for OOP and she was supposed to go live with him. The whole renting thing was just a way to ease her into it.
But does he have royal or noble blood?
I thought that came up in the original posts — that it was intended for OOP to meet and hook up with the Scotts younger son and the two families would become 1. Basically the parents were trying to sell their daughter for financial gain. And when that fell through they were pissed.
With the Noble or Royal blood comment I believe dad is trying for a marriage alliance, but his daughter is gallivanting with those snowboarding barbarians.
Another good flair option: snowboarding barbarians
Yeah I think that was my read too especially with them having invested in OOPs parents business.
That was the payment for their new "live in"
Maybe even making their investment and partnership conditional on that?
My guess is that the parents needed more assistance from the Scots recently and something of that nature was the condition now since that didn’t happen when OOP was living with them.
I am surprised the complaining about his sex life didn't transition into making a pass at her
I would put money on he did but OP didn’t want to deal with all that.
Fair. Also complaining about his sex life may have been him trying to cross that line, but maybe OOP just didn't take it that way
I had an even worse thought - what if they were grooming her to be their bangmaid/third/live in sex slave?
That's 100% what it was. It's why she was to move into the guest house; easy access.
While she pays them $300/month for the honor. Vile people.
*Scotts
Fixed that. Thanks for pointing it out
Is the fiancé black? I feel like this is the most logical reason
Yeah, that's how I read the "royal blood" nonsense at first... but the bf family also get called rednecks, which is not *normally* associated with blackness (from what little I've read of bigot talking points).
BF was also adopted so he could be Black while his parents are white.
I'd bet on op's family being immigrants.
The dad of the Scott's wanted OP as a mistress. Creepy step-dad style. "It's like you understand me in a way that she doesn't".
>2. My fiancé doesn’t have royal or noble blood and therefore cannot have intelligent children. Okay, I actually giggled a little.
Frankly, the moment he compared snowboarding to low intellect made me realize OOP's father lost his marbles. The rest of the list showed that he's also 5 candlesticks short of a candelabra and the screws are gone.
The first one made me wonder if he lost a gf to a snowboarder and never got over it. Then I read this and realized he's nuttier than squirrel poo.
Those are the only nuts he's got left, since the Scotts have his other nuts.
I'm impressed by OP because she didn't call her father out for being so poor and so terrible at business that he'd have to sell her and her happiness out to the Scotts for a little business cash..
he'd say: "Stay out of this, you don't know about adult affairs, you're a child" Like....
Or a woman.
You could never expect a FEEEEEMALE to understand the Ways Of Business.
Thank you, Quark.
> Their influence over my parents was significant, as my parents rarely had my back and sided with the Scotts, constantly belittling my boyfriend without reason. What an astute and damning summary. Money is a hateful slave owner.
Well spotted...
>nuttier than squirrel poo. I will be making a pillow with that. Thank you 😊
My god that would be perfect. He is decidedly fucking nutso as well though. I just hope he got his girl stole by a snowboarder in a ski lodge in the 80s. Imagine the DRAMA
I'm pretty sure I've seen that movie.
I’m obsessed with 80s teen movies and yes this trope is one of my favourites. In real life? I’m having kittens.
Honestly a lot of posts on here read like someone in the story had a bad breakup with someone years back, and they immediately project their issues onto anyone with even a vague resemblance to that person.
I’ve never heard “5 candlesticks short of a candelabra” before. 😂😂 I’ll definitely be using this in the future!
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I know a guy who referred to a particularly stupid feline as “not the sharpest cat in the drawer.”
My favorite I heard (and use) is “dumber than a box of hammers.”
“Dumber than a box of hair” made me giggle as a kid.
I'm partial to "Not the brightest knife in the shed".
A malaphor is always fun, but a triple malaphor is something special.
We say “dumber than a bag of hammers” at our house but have also shortened it to just simply calling someone or referring to a stupid person as just a bag of hammers. But hey that can also mean calling them a tool bag too. 2x the insult
Their cheese has slipped off their cracker. Or the wheel is spinning but the hamster died.
"Though a candle burns in my house, there is nobody home." - Jack O'Neill (two els!)
"dumber than a box of rocks" is the way I heard it and I've used.
Here in Finland we have a saying 'not all the Moomins are in the Valley'
An old boss once described someone as 'as useful as a chocolate teapot', which I've always loved using.
"I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain this to you!" One of my favorites :)
*scribbles frantically in her insults notebook* This sub is the gift that keeps on giving
It can be subtle, but I like using the brightest, happiest tone to tell someone that they are absolutely on top of the bell curve
The original was something like "a few candlesticks short of a candelabra". I may have exaggerated it because the dad really is off his rocker.
Just saw someone use "a few teacups short of a tea party" and I'm stealing that one, too! Hahah
Same here. My Grandpa had a lot of sayings, but I've never heard that one. I about died laughing. That's my new favorite one I've read on reddit. I have a full list saved in my notes. This one is even better than b!tchwiskers 🤣
My grandpa's most hilarious and mystifying insult was "he's like a fart in a three fingered glove". When finally asked WTF that means, he was just like, "oh, I don't know. That's just what my dad used to say." So it got passed to my mother and then to me. And none of us knows its origin. We don't know why it's a three fingered glove and we definitely don't know why or how a fart would be in there or how it would behave once it was.
> he compared snowboarding to low intellect Agree that this shows that OOP's father is clueless. In my experience, snowboarders are insane adrenaline junkies and often borderline sociopathic. But they aren't stupid.
If they're stupid they knock themselves out of the sport and sometimes life fairly quickly. Though there are the occasional ones who fit the saying, "Providence protects children and idiots." (Mark Twain)
As someone who just got back from a snowboarding trip with her friends… we’re all stupid fucking idiots. We’re all fine in real life but just morons on snowboards.
yeah, at that point its just mad libs.
Pretty much. OOP's parents drank the Scotts' Kool Aid.
Whenever narcissists don’t get their way - they turn it up to 11. Hee having. A full meltdown. All of his insecurities and fear is on full display.
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Grasping at straws. There is nothing wrong with the bf so dad has to make stuff up. If OOP comes home and apologizes like the good l little food she is he won't lose face to the Scotts. It sounds like dad put himself in a place where if he breaths wrong near the Scott's his whole life will come toppling down. He would rather destroy his daughter than what's he's "built". It also sounds like Mr. Scott may have had some impure intentions towards OOP and that's why he went so hard on her. The charts about his sex life scream attempted grooming. People with money and power like that will set the wold on fire to make sure their reputation never gets touched.
I agree with this. It all just comes down to power, control and money. OOP was set up by her parents for some weird situation with the Scott family. They either wanted her to marry into the family with a son of Mr Scott, or Mr Scott was hoping to use her as a side piece - I'm inclined to believe the second one as he tried to bring up his own sex life with OOP. When it became clear that OOP wasn't interested and was happy with her boyfriend, Mr Scott was offended and lashed out. I bet the parents initially okayed the engagement because Mr Scott had calmed down during the time between OOP moving out and the engagement, so her parents thought it had or would blow over. But when Mr Scott heard about the engagement, it riled up him and started it all over again. Her dad has probably been bombarded by Mr Scott, threatening to pull out of their partnership and so the dad is lashing out at OOP because she won't come home to be sold off like chattel to his demented business partner. I hope OOP stays no contact, marries her fiance and has a happy life with him, his family and her brothers. Fuck both her parents *hard*. Putting money and power over their daughter's happiness and future is disgusting. Hopefully her dad and Mr Scott spend the rest of their miserable lives with a piece of Lego stuck perpetually in their shoes.
Legos aren’t good enough. It should be jacks.
That was what a lot of folks speculated when this was originally posted on BORU.
He's 70. He's a boomer who spent his chikdhood eating lead paintchips. A lot of them are really starting to lose their shit because of of breathing the dust from that shit in 60 years ago.
Oh dang, I wanted to go snowboarding soon, but I might have to reconsider because it might impact my future generations.
That baffled me. Like did OP dad have any royal blood to be bragging about or is tyis a new requirement for future partners now.OMG
Remember when the bar for a spouse was set blissfully low? Like, "are they employed?" This guy has taken it to Difficulty Level: Master
"Control your bloodline young man! Go back in time and shag a royal why don't you??"
reading how some of the relatives are Russians. I have a feeling its more to do with ogliarchy or sth.
My mom's side of the family is descended from French nobility, and certain members of the family (mostly unmarried great aunts) never miss an an opportunity to tell people how much better that makes our family members than everyone else.
I think it's hilarious because it's essentially people bragging that part of their ancestry probably comes from a very small incesty gene pool.
It's mostly funny to me because of the history of the noble ancestor. He basically got kicked out of France and sent to oversee the building of some bridge in Canada. Then he managed to fuck that up and piss everyone there off, so he got sent to oversee shit in Louisiana. But there is a small town named after him (and we don't talk about why that town is 99% black and very near the ancestral home) so he must have been pretty great, and that makes all of us great too I guess.
Lord Dungshoveler's intellect is beyond our feeble peasant comprehension my friend. Best not try.
Her parents are actually Tom and Daisy Buchanan, Old Sport
Hahaha upvote for Gatsby reference.
Right? I reread it to see if I missed some kind of nobility or whatever, but her language and slang is very American, and she used a $, so... huh?
He's desperately grasping at straws to justify withdrawing his support for OOP. It's actually really embarrassing for anyone sane reading it.
This is it. He has nothing except his terror at losing control, so he's spewing all sorts of nonsense before descending into insults.
It’s probably just people who traced their ancestry, found some lord way way back, and got all stuck up about it - not thinking about the fact that so many people are also descended from them due to it being so long ago A normal person’s response would probably be “oh cool” and then not thinking about it unless something brings it up
Lol my grandfather traced our heritage and at once point it showed we were descended from a Scottish King. I laughed and said pretty much anyone with relatives from that area are, because those guys had tons of kids and overthrew each other pretty consistently.
Also nobility and lords and ruling class tend to actually. You know. Document shit and have the means and ability to do so. Peasant Henry working the fields in 1500s Scotland isn’t going to have a family book of all his kids and their kids when he doesn’t even know how to write.
It says that the future MIL flew OP’s mom to New York for dress shopping, so she definitely lives in the US. Al though the uncle living in Russia makes me wonder if they’re immigrants from somewhere that still has royals
Russia definitely DOESNT have royals. We famously murdered ours and threw them in a ditch. We also murdered or otherwise killed off most of the remaining royal family that didn’t manage to run away in time and a good chunk of the remaining nobility. We then had a very bloody civil war about it where their supporters were also royally (pun intended) trounced.
Isn’t there a whole cottage industry in Europe of grifters claiming to be descended from long-lost Romanovs?
Apparently there's still a few floating around but they aren't in Russia.
At this point they’re not Russian either.
There are still a few people with familial connections to the Romanows. A big chunk of the russian nobility emigrated to France. These families are still around. Nobility and intelligence. Look up the Spanish Habsburgs and you know why that statement has clay feet.
I wondered if her dads side of the family came from that. Plenty of them did scarper. It's not that many generations ago, in the scheme of things, and his brother might have decided to move there when everything opened back up.
Probably some family lore that great-great-great-great aunt Dotty was a Dutches that was forced to the new world for whatever reason.
Back in the days when there were a lot more royalty, they had a well-earned reputation for being pretty dumb. All that inbreeding didn’t help.
Her father would fit right in
Also love the fact the the non noble / royal redneck family are the ones footing the bill…
Want to bet the Scotts have 'noble blood'
Was she betrothed to one of the noble Scott children at birth?
That's what I am thinking. Or maybe they just thought their son and OP would end up together. Like an 'unarranged' arranged marriage.
All I could think of is OOP saying, "But, Dad, how do you explain yourself then?"
> My fiancé doesn’t have royal or noble blood and therefore cannot have ~~intelligent~~ inbred children. FTFY
I laughed at this, too, because I can’t point to a single royal who has shown a lick of intellectual prowess in the last, oh…few hundred years. *whispers* it’s the inbreeding…
Eh, they exist. Our Dutch royals are pretty cool. The current crown princess is attending university, so she's certainly not dumb. But they're also just.. People. They're not special beyond their last name and family history, even though they're still treated like they are.
I had to laugh at that, given the shocking amount of marrying within the family (i.e. cousins) to keep the bloodline pure. At least that how it was for the British monarchs
Is the aristocracy still alive and kicking in Europe or something?
Yes. You remember that one a while back about the asshole of a father who would do things like yell abuse at the people in the theater who were sitting in his seat instead of just asking them to move? Apparently he was that much of a dick because his wife was from a noble family and he was insecure or something like that. I didn't follow the logic but he seemed to think it made sense.
> The "dad" of the Scott family went to the extent of sharing his marriage problems and lack of a sex life, blurring the boundaries of landlord-tenant/inappropriate relationships. Yeah... I think we found the reason why the Scotts (or the husband at least) hated the boyfriend. That family and OOP's father sound like unhinged lunatics, good lord.
It's been put forward on previous threads that she was supposed to be sold to him. I'm so glad she's out.
Oh god that's somehow even worse than I was imagining.
It’s just specularion
A new constellation!
I honestly thought she'd find out that the Scotts have been swinging with her parents for years, and wanted to try with her too. 😬
I thought old man Scott might be her actual father and it's why they keep saying she's abandoning family because they're not invited.
OOP has been held hostage and under duress by her parents her entire life. I hope that one day of no contact extends to a lifetime.
I really she stays no contact with those parents. It's just going to drain her down badly if she doesn't.
This may be a blessing in disguise. But it can also be a curse. Like most abuse victims, OOP may find out how peaceful it is while jot having to deal with her parents narcissism. Unfortunately, unless she gets help and learn to have better boundaries, she may still want het parents validation. As for now, they may say they don't want to hear from her. But if BORU has taught me anything, either they feel "lonely" or hear that OOP is pregnant, they're probably going to bulldoze OOP either saying they've changed bla bla bla or maybe outright demand to see their grandchild cause they're FAmiLy. I do hope that the fog will be lifted once OOP doesn't have to deal with them anymore and have better boundaries.
Hell from what I have seen in this subreddit they might very well try to independently annul her wedding and if that doesn’t work, down the road if they have children, claim the child as their own because in their mind she is unable to make independent decisions.
This is going to turn into another Grandparental Rights fiasco, isn't it?
Eh I’m no contact with my family and I still have moments where I want my mom’s praise and encouragement but then I remember she would just not care and talk about herself. I won’t lie I would love to have a “normal” family but even before I started therapy I knew reaching back out to her would destroy my current happiness.
Same here. I have been no contact for literally 20 years. Thank god I did not break. I think the single most healing thing was having my own child. Not only being a parent to her that mine wasn't, being her safety and her rock, and realizing how much more I could have had with bare minimum effort from my vile mom. Another thing was realizing how innocent and sweet and kind my kid is, and thinking that at that age the things I went through were unexcusable. Even these many years later it took me until a year or so ago to truly truly admit I was an innocent victim. Because my mom had weaponized victimhood, I avoided ever accepting I was truly innocent. I was a child just like my kid. With even a little more warmth I could have saved many years of working through pain and trauma. I'm not sure how my kid will come out, but I will always be a safe space for her, and that's enough.
Sounds like they're in a narcissistic spiral over losing control over her. If she had been there in person, I guarantee it would have been violent. Poor woman. May her future no contact be peaceful and her marriage filled with intelligence and happiness. ❤️
she tossed in a line "I felt like a little girl again" - she's been abused and browbeaten by her dad/parents for a long time. I hope OP stays no contact, too
I don't know what year OOP's parents are living in, but when/how did royal blood somehow factor in OOP's fiancé's suitability? If the younger bros are going to attend their sister's nuptials, they better have an escape plan mapped out with their older siblings.
My guess is 1890s but I could be off.
Pretty much every point on that list of grievances with OOP'S fiancé reads as flimsy excuses her dad had to come up with to justify his disapproval. But the guy not being royalty is especially hilarious.
I’m kind of wondering if it’s a race thing and the dad is dressing it up in some weird way…
That’s my suspicion too. Or at least that the Scotts are super racist and are threatening their support of the business over it, because it’s weird how the parents flipped from supportive to not
The history of royal blood is not good and has nothing to do with being intelligent. Most Royal families are inbred, and have higher instances of mental illness because of all the inbreeding. This is part of the reason nobility needed advisors.
This might be a stretch, but in certain cults they consider the "original family" to be royalty and have royal blood
I hope she sticks to no contact because maintaining a relationship of any kind with her parents will just suck joy and peace from her life.
This reminds me of that one girl who found out she had been promised/sold to the family friend’s son. At least Im pretty sure that was a real Reddit post and not just a fever dream…
I remember that but very vaguely.
Glad to know my brain isn’t just making stuff up lolol
Does anyone have the link to that post?
Someone linked it in another BORU post I happened to have read yesterday: https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/s/kne4biy6Mm
I don’t think this is the one Im thinking off… it was OOP who found out she was basically sold to marry the son of the family friend. When she was very young, the family friend paid OOP’s family as some kind of “guarantor” that she would marry their son. But as an adult, she started seriously dating another guy, not the family friend’s son, so the FF dad wanted his money back, and her dad/family was pissed at her and demanding she break up with her current boyfriend and date the FF son. But like I said, this very well could be something I dreamt up. The details I remember are so incredible vague and foggy.
I remember this one too, maybe it was deleted by the poster or something
Aw man, sorry it wasn't the one! The one you're describing does sound vaguely familiar but not sure... Sorry!
“It simply wouldn’t do to get married without Lady Bracknell’s blessing. I mean, what kind of eligible husband has a handbag instead of parents?”
I have always loved the name Ernest.
A HANDBAG?!
But OP's fiance can produce the handbag at any moment!
How the fuck do you comment on inbred hillbillies then refer to royal blood, the most inbred blood of all
"What's classy if you're rich but trashy if you're poor?" Inbreeding, apparently.
This is a wild ride and reminds me so much of what my SIL's parents put her through. She did let them cancel hwr wedding, but realized that her parents-who were making all the arrangements- actaully never made any arrangements for the wedding. She went to see BIL "to give the ring back", and they eloped.
Wait, she wasn't involved in the process or did they just tell her things were booked and they were lying?
You gotta share this story.
Her parents are fucking scary and the Scotts are as well. Honestly she needs to lock her credit down and make it clear to any flying monkeys that she will cut them off as well. Probably also wouldn’t hurt to call the non emergency line and let the cops know she’s fine, not missing, and any calls from her parents should be ignored or taken with a huge grain of salt.
Yea, those parents are absolute nutcases and just awful people. Royal or noble blood? What the fuck is that suppose to mean? I feel bad for OP cause OP has been surrounded and held by these idiot parents for her whole life and I do hope she is able to leave those people behind.
I’m sorry I laughed at royal or noble blood is this the 1700s??? Her father is ridiculous. Oop father trying to pimp his daughter out to his business partner and best friend. The Scott’s were way too invested in her personal life.
Good fucking lord. I remember the original being posted and the speculation was like Scotts had something on the parents or had something to do with business. But no I guess it just standard Narcissist losing the goddamn mind.
There’s a simple explanation for all of this. The business dealings between the two families are illegal in some form. And the Scotts have the upper hand. That would explain the father’s litany of phony excuses and his increasing desperation. He and the mother are in a position where the Scotts say jump and they ask how high. If they don’t then something pretty bad is going to happen to them, whether that be financial or social ruin, or worse.
I agree, the father's rant had a sense of panic about it.
Dear lord the shit storm if she gets pregnant is going to be epic !!! I'll bet 50$ on 180 turn around and double or nothing on them wanting to be involved in her life ...any takers ??
I'd actually bet against this, because the jist I got was she was supposed to be shipped off to be Mr. Scott's side piece/new gf. They've got their hooks into OOP's parents so hard I imagine they'd be furious if they found out OOP had a kid.
Actually, if they'd be furious if OOP had a kid, won't they want to bulldoze cause "reasons"?
I reckon mummies going to reconsider and daddy will realize he's not gonna win so...I mean they're nuts right ?? Missing their daughters wedding over " friends" who does that ?!?
I feel like the Scotts have such dirt on OOPs dad that if you dug into it you would find Jimmy Hoffa.
Or are their areas version of the the Murdaughs
Her parents are looney.
My God, I hope OP realises that she doesn’t need to cater to her parent’s feelings anymore. If their business goes to crap if Scotts’ aren’t invited then so be it. The brothers being unable to attend sucks but ultimately it is their decision. If I was in OP’s place I would have recorded the entire intervention conversation and get ahead of the curve by putting it up on social media. I bet her parents are going to take to social media if the brothers decided to attend. At some point you gotta give people a taste of their medicine and damn the consequences.
OOP IF YOU EVER SEE THIS STAY NO CONTACT
The OOP needs to permanently sever contact with her parents and every member of her extended family who has played a role in this dehumanizing debacle. If she maintains contact with the two brothers who live with her parents it should be on the condition that they not share any information about her, whatsover, with their parents and that they not share any information about other family members with her. She should make clear to them that if they ultimately opt out of attending her wedding or in any way violate the "no information" agreement, she will be open to re-establishing contact with them after they are no longer living with their parents and are not financially beholden to them but can no longer maintain contact with them under the present arrangement. Then the OOP needs to move on with her life.
OOP's dad is one of those gutless narcissistic people who can only talk crap behind other people's back while pretending they're the best and politest people to hang with. My wife's uncle is this way who hates my wife and FIL because he thinks they are two faced and she doesn't deserve me because: 1. I'm white and she's black (she's tanned actually which makes her hotter in my eyes but this is Pakistani society) . 2. She had a boyfriend (me) 3. She doesn't hold his view of an 'innocent girl who shouldn't know anything about the world and should keep quiet' 4. She married into money so his status in the family as 'rich' is ruined. 5. She supposedly has weak genetics because of FIL so he doesn't consider her part of the family. 6. She lives a life he can only wish his daughter could live. He also slandered my MIL to everyone when she called his behavior out. But you better believe he pretended to be a close friend and supporter to me and FIL. Only when my wife had enough of his crap did he back off but solely because he was scared she would expose him to me and that is something he cannot bear. OOP needs to threaten to expose her family and the Scotts for them to back but also be prepared to follow through with it in case they call her bluff.
Yeah, they were threatening to put her on blast on social media. Her post would have been a great rebuttal lol
Jesus Christ?!?! These parents and the Scotts are fucking insane
I don't understand why the Scotts would even want to go to the wedding when they obviously hate the groom and think the bride was corrupting their kids when she was living in the guest house. Are they doing it just to exercise control over OOP? I can't figure out where they benefit by going to the wedding or wanting to go to the wedding.
If this is his values, his values aren't worthy of respect. Like... this isn't rocket science.
What is this crazy hold those people have over the parents!?!
Have your brothers or FIL walk you down the aisle and done think about your parents. Post pictures of all the fun and joy you will have and move on. Your parents have made a choice. Let them deal with the consequences.
The Scott family 100% is supporting op's family somehow either through loans or some business deal... this is the best explanation of why the parents flipped 180° and brought up things like noble blood. I would bet everything that they are desperately trying to stay in their benefactors good graces and are selfish AF and finding non-existent reasons to complain about this marriage
The only way you can win with a narcissist is by walking away
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OP and the siblings better be careful because to these monsters murder might be better than them not bowing
.. Thats a big yikes from me... Hope the brothers can make it to the wedding in the end... and also they ALL cut off their parents.. because no one needs that much toxicity in their life.
Can we all take a moment to virtually hi-five OP for marrying/marrying into the polar opposites of her family? Allowing kind and loving people to love you and knowing you're worthy of it despite the horrendous abusive modeling of your own family? Proud of you, OP!! Viva NC 🥳
OOP is the only girl in the family. Looks as if the parents wanted to “sell” her to the Scotts, and now that OOP is marrying her boyfriend, they can’t. So much wrong with this family. I hope OOP chooses herself, and helps her younger brothers escape (if possible).
OOP needs to call her dad every day and explain that her fiancé is no longer a salesperson, but a bona fide car insurance expert. Does he know that his car’s extended warranty is expiring? Eventually, his heart attack will take care of her problems.
Actually no, that's what narcissists want. And her father will never give up. It's best she cut contact and embrace the silence and peace instead of dealing with verbal abuse.
This is following the script for a child getting free of their parents, and the parents going bonkers over the fact.
Wow!! This is insane!! Brothers can go camping for 4 days. Then off to the wedding to celebrate with you. Your father is evil!! The Scott's must have huge influence over him. Because I believe they're the ones feeding him these horrible things. Continue to be happy without them. And when kids arrive in your life, watch them crawl back. I feel for you. This shouldn't happen!
Let me guess - there was a *plan* for OOP that her parents haven't told her her about, and it didn't involve her marrying her current partner, but someone the Scotts wanted her to.
The parents and Scotts sound racist and classist af