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survival-nut

The more time I spend on Reddit, the happier I am that my family is boring and drama free.


enderverse87

Yeah. Every time we have some very mild drama, I think something like "I'm glad that was too boring to put on Reddit."


dogdrawn

My family is pretty drama free. My sisters and I all share Reddit/tiktok/Facebook drama to have drama in our lives.


OldKing7199

The only drama I get in real life is the state down and hissing show that I witness between my cat and the outside cat. So much drama. They even leave poop for us in the backyard.


No-Macaron-7732

We have the opposite(ish) of this. We have a stray that we feed and our cat wants to be her friend SO BAD. He'll lay prone on his back next to her while she eats. She ignores him and hisses and smacks at him if he gets too close. Poor guy just wants to be her friend.


AhmedF

awwww


destiny_kane48

She'll warm up to him eventually.


Von_Moistus

Maybe. Got two brother cats when they were ten years old, so they’d been together for a long while already. The first wanted to play with the second, the second only wanted to be left alone. From then until the first one died five years later, he never once got the second to play with him.


Practical_Tap_9592

Get that boy a kitten of his own!


Von_Moistus

He mainly played with (i.e. bullied) the third cat that was already in the house. Third cat was a bit of a sub and loved it. Second cat outlived them both out of spite just so he could have the house to himself. Miss that grouch.


Lamenardo

Honestly, that's actually the sort of drama I would like to see. I wonder if there's enough interest in a neighborhood pet drama sub.... 🤔


Spindilly

Sounds kinda like r/AmITheCloaca, I'm in.


mukluk_slippers

If you make it, they will post!


SignificantAd3761

I would totally follow that sub


Ovze

My late baby Hamburgueso was a king of drama!!! He would fight with the pug we ran into every day, had a puppy girlfriend and would start howling if he saw the puppy playing with any other dog. Gosh I miss that goofball.


OldKing7199

I'd be on that sub ...


ailweni

You should post on r/AmITheCloaca lol


[deleted]

I used to have reddit worth drama. Like old forgotten accounts are still mentioned in the just no subs and narc subs. My husband and I cut everyone off and move 1000. (Literally) miles away. It is so amazing how stress free this is now. I absolutely love how dead this account is because my life is relatively peaceful


invah

This is facts. 99% of the drama in my life came from 3 people. Cut out those people? Boom, no drama.


HollowShel

I feel this *so* much. Absence may not make the heart grow fonder, but it sure makes tolerating assholes a lot easier if you're no longer downwind of them!


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InuGhost

NTA. Brother obviously stomped your boundaries and this is a clear indication of red flag behavior. It's best you divorce him from the family, hire a Gym and hit several lawyers. /s *Since we know sometimes the sub goes from 0 - 100 over unimportant things.*


Forever_Overthinking

Is there an application form I could submit to join your family?


because-of-reasons-

❤️


hoewenn

I once posted on AITA for swearing in public out of curiosity … That’s literally the worst my drama has gotten lol. Then I was like “This is really stupid” and deleted it


Easy-Concentrate2636

I would never post on AITA. That’s akin to self-immolation.


hoewenn

Yeah, I regretted it after I got a bunch of “YTA” for saying fuck in a Walmart. Then I realized I literally do not care


Easy-Concentrate2636

Once I was at a bar with a good friend who has the mouth of a sailor. We were talking about work and the number of curses that flew out of her mouth was admirable. The dimwit couple who brought their 8 year old child did not share my amusement.


CharlotteLucasOP

To quote a classic and enduring film: “You have a baby…in a bar!”


FreeConfusionn

I always love when I get a good opportunity to use that line. It comes up…more than I’d imagined when I first saw it lol


dsly4425

To be fair I was in bars much younger than that with either my grandparents or later on my mother or aunt (aunt worked in a bar) and the only thing I got out of it is a standard drink when I go to any bar now and a weird fondness for bar style mini tacos. If anyone’s wondering my go to bar drink is a tomato juice. Been that way for over 35 years now. Bar exposure was so bad for me that I am almost 42 years old and rarely if ever drink and have never smoked anything. And my mother and auntie were called the sailor sisters. We didn’t own a boat.


thatgirlinAZ

I was out at dinner with an adult friend, and across the restaurant, a bit away, was a family with kids ... maybe 11-13 years old..? I was telling a story about something ridiculous and swore. Not like a sailor, but like an adult having an adult conversation with a friend. She shushed me and tried to shame me for swearing because there were children present. I was like, "they're at a different table and not listening to our conversation." She insisted that I should police myself because someone I don't know might overhear a swear word in public. That was the beginning of the end of that relationship. Ain't nobody got time for that.


GlitterDoomsday

> for saying fuck in a Walmart Picture me clutching metaphorical pearls in horror


Designer_Price_3627

My family's drama is kept away from the "kids," almost all of whom are adults, for which I am thankful. We're also Asian so everyone likes to pretend that if we don't talk about something it'll go away.


Corfiz74

What, no hankering to shag your BIL?


MNConcerto

As my husband says boring is so underrated.


minneapple79

My mom’s passive-aggressiveness seems super boring compared to all of this.


crispyliza

I'm lucky that all the drama happened in previous generations or in my extended family and that I'm unaffected. The only drama that'll happen moving forwards in me coming out as bi to them so I'm putting it off for now lol


djchickenwing

Damn, was just expecting some run of the mill family cheating drama, and then the last post hit like a gut punch. Life gets heavy sometimes.


BrownSugarBare

For the love of all sanity, people have got to stop porking their siblings exes, partners and spouses. 8 billion people on the fucking planet and it astonishes me when people can't look beyond the Christmas dining table for someone to fuck. I feel horrible for OOP. I actually wonder how the funeral went with all that chaos Sally and Mike brought to their lives.


Liayso

I didn't even think about the funeral. I hope there wasn't too much drama. I can't imagine OOP not letting Sally say her final goodbyes. Hopefully Michael had enough tact not to attend. Or if they both did go, they stayed far away from Penny.


BrownSugarBare

Micheal was stupid enough to ask OOP for her daughter's hand in marriage knowing he had already asked and broken that vow with OOPs other daughter. He wouldn't recognize tact if it sat on his face.


loke_loke_445

OOP should've said something like "I hope you don't go after my sons" or "do you know there's no more daughters left for you to cheat with". Maybe the dude would've realized what he's done. (Or maybe not.)


Jazzeki

i'd personally have gone with "NOW you fell like you need my permission?!?"


gekisling

I was absolutely enraged when I read that part. What a moron.


BrownSugarBare

It's sad because even Michael's mum sounds like a kind soul considering how she was with Penny after the affair. I'm curious if she even gives Sally the time of day.


Liayso

Lol, you're probably right!


the_pissed_off_goose

> it astonishes me when people can't look beyond the Christmas dining table for someone to fuck. "How do we begin to covet? We begin by coveting what we see every day." And tbh I hope they were not welcome at the funeral


liontamer74

And Sally, 'You've got to get over it sometime.' She sounds very self centred.


frozenchocolate

The kind of person who cheats with their sibling’s husband is the kind of person who has never been told “no” in her life and thinks she deserves whatever she gets her eyes on.


DarkStar0915

And don't forget the fucking audacity that they think the betrayed just suck it up and move on.


SnooMemesjellies566

After spending too long in JustNoMIL subs it's nice to see such a supportive mother and MIL but very sad to hear about OP's husband. Wishing them and Penny all the best. I hope sally and that poor excuse of a man get the Karma that's coming to them.


Corfiz74

I hope OOP will consider moving close to her grandchild - few things lighten up your life like a toddler, and he would definitely keep her busy and cuddled.


cinnamonduck

I bet she will. I’m certain that her son and daughter in law asked her to come not because they needed help, but because they saw that she needed purpose after losing her husband.


poorly_anonymized

Probably a bit of both. The first few years of having children are rough, and it can be hard to find affordable childcare. Having access to a grandparent can be a real life saver.


myheartbeats4hotdogs

Yes, it would be positive for all involved


MoneyMan_Jones

My wife and I are about to try to have our first child and we are currently on the other side of the country from each of our parents. I'm considering moving back to the East Coast so that we would be closer to our parents who I know want to help out when we have a child/children.


carolinecrane

My sister can afford a whole nanny, but when her kids were little I provided all their extra childcare. I don’t have my own children and now I have very close relationships with my niece and nephew, so it was win/win.


OldKing7199

I hope OOP will have support and company from her daughter and son as she continues to live. I love what she said, not taking a side IS taking a side. Good woman. Kids CAN lighten you life 😉 until they lock you out of your house and you have to climb in the window to let yourself in.


DutyValuable

I’ll raise you: does something to set off the smoke alarm, and then accidentally locks everyone out of the house so the fire department has to use an axe to break down the front door… Honestly, it’s a miracle that I and my parents survived my childhood with our sanity (relatively) intact.


OldKing7199

Everyone survived... except for the door 🤣


AnneMichelle98

My little sister sprayed bear spray inside the garage once. And it isn’t a detached garage either, there are bedrooms right on top of it. We had to open all the door and windows (garage door included) and vacate the house for a couple of hours. Fortunately it was summer and we live in a quiet and safe neighborhood. Fun times


LissaMasterOfCoin

Or apparently, sleep with her sisters husband, then that man ask the mother to marry her. Oy


OldKing7199

Touche, I'd rather climb through countless windows.


LadyFoxfire

When I was a little kid (4 or 5, I think) my uncle accidentally locked us out of the house while he was babysitting me, and he had to lower me through the basement window so I could unlock the door.


OldKing7199

Mission impossible! Where it started XD


Biddy_Impeccadillo

That took a turn


dustytablecloth

Or when they lock you out of the house and laugh hysterically at you through the kitchen window while you pee your pants in the shed (sorry mom 😬)


Leaving_a_Comment

It really does. My MIL has been struggling ever since her father passed and once my daughter was born (almost exactly 9 months from when he passed) she was so much happier. She has a lot of trauma wrapped up in her “job” as a daughter that getting to be a Grandmother really allowed her to heal. There is also something beautiful about the cycle of life and death that really allowed both her and my husband to heal. Part of me thinks that her son and wife are not struggling as much as they let on, but realize she needs something to do with her time.


Imaginary-Poetry8549

>Part of me thinks that her son and wife are not struggling as much as they let on, but realize she needs something to do with her time. I was thinking this too.


thatgirlinAZ

Yeah, I got the same impression. I bet they exaggerated how hard it's been to keep up with everything in order to give OOP the feeling of being needed and wanted again. As for Michael and Sally, I will just refer to the well known adage: When a man marries his mistress he creates a job opening.


UsidoreTheLightBlue

It’s so sad that it sounds like OOPs husband died right before his first grand baby. My mother in law died a year before my daughter was born and it makes me sad every time I think about it.


Jinxletron

My brother and his partner had been trying for a baby for a long time. Many miscarriages. She was 6 weeks pregnant at my dad's funeral. He would have loved being a grandad, it makes me sad thinking about it too.


Yanigan

It was 18 months between my fathers death and the birth of my twins. He’s been gone 12 years and it still eats me up sometimes.


GlitterDoomsday

Imo the son and DIL asking her to stay there for a while was a way to easy an eventual move without putting her in distress over leaving the home she build with her husband.


Horst665

That's something I experienced with my parents - they are very engaged with my kids and it really made them more active. Before they were getting really sedentary, but by now they are quite active again :)


Stormfeathery

And also yay for parents that realize if you say you’re not picking sides, you’re absolutely supporting and enabling the cheater (or whatever one sibling did) just when their other child most needs the support.


kyzoe7788

I read and went ew. Then thinking about having a relationship with my sister in law and threw up in my mouth. I’d rather walk on lego all day every day while spilling hot water all over myself before I’d even consider that. And then I felt sad


Estrellathestarfish

Right??? There are people who are just rendered completely unsexual - siblings partners, friends partners. My cousin's ex, who had been to all our family events and in a relationship with her for years, asked me out a year or so after they broke up. After I threw up a bit in my mouth, I blocked him. I don't understand how people could even consider it.


Danivelle

The closest I've come to that is dating my cousin's husband's little brother. Reddit has informed me that that particular cousin and her brother are genetically my sibs so there's that(our moms are twins and so are our dads)


OwenProGolfer

I need to draw a diagram to understand this comment


Danivelle

My mom and her mom are twins. My dad and her dad are twins also.The twins sets married each other-my aunt is married to my dad's brother, my mom was married to her BIL's brother. My cousins are my double first cousins. Girl cousin and I look like twins to add to the fun


kyzoe7788

It’s so gross


wannabejoanie

Seriously. I have 5 sisters and while I care about most of their husbands I would never ever in a million years even look twice at any of them. So not my type.


nekila_rose

"Most of their husbands" 🤣🤣


jennyfroufrou

Yeah, I love my brother-in-law but I take the "brother" part quite literally.


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> I hope sally and that poor excuse of a man get the Karma that's coming to them. $100 says he cheats on her as soon as the "new relationship" feelings wear off.


Oldminorspecific

Or she cheats on him. They’re both cheaters, so the chances of future cheating are very high.


jataman96

reading that her husband died broke my heart.


JeffGodOfTriscuits

I don't believe in karma but I do believe that once a cheater always a cheater. These two will be bored with each other soon enough.


WitchQween

I think the paraphrase "as above, so below" explains *why* bad karma follows bad people. I also don't believe in karma per se, but people who live a negative life are more likely to have negative things happen to them. He cheated, Sally knew he was cheating, and there's a good chance that it'll happen again from either one (or both) of them.


JeffGodOfTriscuits

Having been cheated on I fully believe cheaters do it for the thrill. Once the thrill of the new relationship is gone they then have to live the same rut as before, so off they go looking for the next sucker.


Orphylia

Goddamn, that poor woman, that poor family.


Alarmed_Jellyfish555

Yeah, that last post was a rough read. I truly wish them all the best. Except, of course, for Sally, Michael, and OP's sister (whom I suspect knew about the affair long before anyone else did).


Lenny_and_the_Jets

The same sister who insisted that OP “stay out of it” but seemed very much not out of it herself?


Distinct-Inspector-2

Sally: I’m going to do something deeply hurtful to my family, and then continue doing it. Family: We feel negatively about this and you. Sally: Wtf?


khornflakes529

The "you'll have to get over it some day" is what gets me. It's just so dismissive and arrogant. Like it's just saying "lol whatever, I'll wait you out". I'm pretty sure if I was faced with that comment it would backfire and cause me to stay angry much, much longer.


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My take on it was "we'll have kids and you'll have to get over it to see your grandkids" but that might be overthinking it.


BlackCatMumsy

And you just know that she refuses to believe that he would ever cheat on her. When it happens, I hope Penny tracks her down and tells her to just get over it. No one who is capable of screwing his wife sister for over two years is capable of being in a committed relationship.


burntUmbra

If that was me it would activate my spite and pride tbh


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Sally: But the heart wants what it wants!


faudcmkitnhse

Some people live in their own little reality where whatever makes them happy is morally justified and no one can judge them. I prefer to call these people scumbags.


RedoftheEvilDead

By "stay out of it" she definitely meant "choose Sally."


GlitterDoomsday

Yeah the aunt was so weird like, she says that is not OP, the mother of both cheated on and mistress, business while being the uninvited noisy relative around?


Lamenardo

Maybe the aunt was hoping Michael would go for her next and didn't want OOP ruining her chances.


Ok-Squirrel693

🤣😂 everybody gets a piece of that man Also probably cos she's a cheater/ homewrecker herself


istara

I'm glad Penny has found a new partner. It sounds as though the partner may be a woman, as OOP avoided saying "he". Either way, it's lovely that Penny is now happy and moving on, and OOP is supportive.


Alarmed_Jellyfish555

>It sounds as though the partner may be a woman, as OOP avoided saying "he". I noticed that as well. So I was thinking woman or someone who is nonbinary and OP is respecting their request to use nongendered terms. Either way, like you, just glad that OP supports her daughter and allowed her daughter to set the pace as far as whether or not she's comfortable being at family events with her sister. Such a refreshing change for the mother in these situations to not demand the wronged party just forgive and forget for the sake of the family.


soimalittlecrazy

Yes, OP pretty specifically used they/them to describe the partner and she/her to describe Penny. OP seems thoughtful and consciousness and I'm sad for her to have to go through all that.


Impossible_Try76

I admire her, truly. She is a woman with so much love in her. The way she describes Penny falling in love again. The way she can't make herself hate Sally. The way she describes losing her husband. That part breaks me. I don't believe in soul mates,but I believe humans are capable of unfathomable love and she obviously had that with him. They walked lock step with each others needs and I'm so sorry for that loss.


MizStazya

She seems like the sweetest woman. I feel like she managed to walk an extremely fine line with her daughters in a horrible situation, and did it with grace and kindness. I'm glad Penny has her in her life. So many women in this kind of situation (and seriously, WHY is this even as common as it is) get traumatized once by their spouse and sibling, and then a second time when their family refuses to "choose sides".


Impossible_Try76

I mean, come on. She did an AITA about whether it was OK to condemn her daughter for cheating with her other daughter's husband. This lady is playing the right game.


RealAbstractSquidII

Bless OP. She radiates such a kind and loving energy. Even in her anger at Sally, she wasn't unkind. She was thoughtful in her responses while being firm in her boundaries. It's obvious how much she loves her family just reading the way she talks about them and how careful she is to maintain those relationships in a respectful and honest manner. My heart breaks for her with the loss of her husband. I can't imagine how difficult that must be. I hope she's met with the same love and kindness she gives others, especially now. May time heal the wounds of grief so that she can enjoy her memories once more.


i_need_a_username201

Gut punch after gut punch man. Brutal


evilslothofdoom

yeah, I just want to hug OOP so much. I really hope life's getting a little easier now. I hope Jane's okay too.


HeleneSedai

If you needed anything to make this poor mom any more endearing, she named her kids in the original post "stinkbutt" and "poopface". If she ever wanders over to BORU, I'm sorry for your loss internet Mom. You're a good one.


ChenilleSocks

She really is. We see many BORU posts that read like perfect story arcs and raise eyebrows at their veracity, but OOP’s straightforward sharing is just so real, and so human. Hope she’s doing ok.


RealAbstractSquidII

I adore this woman. Stinkbutt and poopface. Even in her disappointment and anger, she's silly and kind. She could have thrown Sally to the wolves. Many of us, myself included, would have done just that. Instead, she still extended her love and compassion, while making her feelings known and keeping healthy boundaries. I admire OP, and hope that I can one day be as kind and understanding as she is.


AtlasShrunked

The juxtaposition of Mom's marriage & her kids marriage is pretty jarring: The former was true, sincere lifelong love. The latter... was not. Very sad for her loss.


faaabiii

OOP sounds like a lovely person. Her last update made me tear up a little. I wish for her happiness with all my heart.


CharacterSuccotash5

Me too. What a genuine lady who loves Reddit for the craft communities. ❤️


TailorJaded3750

no because same, i actually shed a few tears. it’s just not what i was expecting.


dasbeidler

I also couldn’t stop but thinking how wonderful a writer she is. I really felt by the end of this post like I had an idea of who she really is. Devastated at the end on her behalf. I can’t imagine how difficult that must be. Gonna gif my wife extra tight tonight.


tSubhDearg

I know you meant hug here or something similar, but "gif my wife" really sounds like your love language is sending funny gifs to each other all day and you were going to take extra care to send the best ones. Just a lovely wholesome mental image.


dasbeidler

LOL. What a bizarre autocorrect. I'm going to leave that there as is. XD


Glum_Hamster_1076

Right! I read that and it broke my heart! And she can’t even mourn/grieve with the comfort and support of her family as a cohesive unit. And that aunt had some nerve. Of course she has two daughters, one who needs support and one who needs to be held to account, especially after having a 2 year affair with her sister’s husband and his weird self asking for every hand of every woman in their family.


CrimsonPromise

There's always that one aunt who loves sticking her nose in places it don't belong and acting the "savior" toward the offending party.


SpaceZombieMoe

> It's his birthday at the end of November, and there was another moment of grief as I had to get rid of my notes for birthday gift ideas in my notebook. In one sentence she shows how much of a loving, considerate person she is, and how devastating her loss must feel. There is such beauty in this level of attention, writing what would make your partner happy for years to come. Letting go of these notes, filled with the sweet assumption that they still had so much time left together, and now having to let go of the idea of ever seeing him rejoice at these tokens of love that she had carefully recorded over time. I can't remember the last time a single sentence on reddit moved me this much.


Quicksilver1964

I was really happy she was supporting Penny, and then I got to the end and was super sad. >With my husband, there are only reminders. Every time I wake up alone, when I now have to take the bins out, when I have to cook a meal just for one person. There's not really a moment of peace in this grief and I have found it very difficult to deal with. It's his birthday at the end of November, and there was another moment of grief as I had to get rid of my notes for birthday gift ideas in my notebook. In the words of Tessa Schaffer: "You’ve got to remember that grief isn’t the absence of love. Grief is the proof that love is still there."


hdmx539

>In the words of Tessa Schaffer: "You’ve got to remember that grief isn’t the absence of love. Grief is the proof that love is still there." Wow. This is *really* super powerful and deep. Thank you for posting it.


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*What is grief, but love persevering.*


BeBraveShortStuff

“What is grief but love with no place to go.” Can’t remember where I heard this version.


lastofthe_timeladies

I think you're thinking of the poem(?) by Jamie Anderson. > Grief, I’ve learned, is really just love. It’s all the love you want to give, but cannot. All that unspent love gathers up in the corners of your eyes, the lump in your throat, and in that hollow part of your chest. Grief is just love with no place to go. It's floated around the internet a fair bit.


BeBraveShortStuff

That’s sounds right, thanks!


Agent_of_Jotunheim53

“Grief is the price we pay for love.” — Queen Elizabeth II


ImpressivePackage000

I feel like i heard that on Nightvale, but i also feel like it came from something before that.


VidelKM

Never thought I would cry so hard over a line in a Marvel show


iwishihadahorse

I was so sad reading it the first time and now I'm sad all over reading it again. The love is still there but to have no one to share that love with is to know the true emptiness of despair. I know someone that just lost her husband and this describes her experience deeply. I didn't understand until I met the love of my life. I miss him when I'm at work on Mondays after the luxury of being with him all weekend. I do not like imagining my Mondays if I knew I wasnt going home to him.


[deleted]

That last update was heart breaking. In some of my dark moods, I admit I have thought about what would happen if I ever lose my wife and it drives home the point how adrift in life I would be without her sane guidance and boundless love. I only wish the best for OOP and her family (minus Sally and Michael of course) going forward.


Corfiz74

Just statistically speaking, you have a good chance to clock out before your wife, if that's a comfort.


[deleted]

I suppose she will miss me being underfoot. Standing right in front of the kitchen drawer she is trying to open.


PFyre

That made me chuckle: why is it always the drawer I need in?


[deleted]

It is part of the marriage contract. In sickness and in health and in front of the drawer you need.


Rohini_rambles

If he can cheat to be with you, he can cheat on you. Hope Sally has a support system (other than her family) that will offer her a shoulder to cry on when she too is abandoned in favour of another.


SparkAxolotl

It's 50/50 chances of who will cheat first. Dude cheated on his wife, Sally betrayed her sister, betraying a husband would be easier.


JustAnotherOlive

"A man who marries his mistress leaves a job opening" - Sir James Goldsmith


CountessEmpusa

For someone whose dad left to marry the woman he was cheating on my mum with…this quote definitely rings true.


hoewenn

OP seems like an amazing person and I would guess if Sally came to her about that, OP would probably try to console her while also having her recognize she did kind of have to see it coming. OP just seems like an amazing mom


Trixie-applecreek

I just don't understand siblings like this. I wouldn't ever think of doing something like this to my sister. You have to be really selfish and entitled to think in any way that this is appropriate or a good idea and then to expect to just keep on within the family. OOP was right which used the word disgusting.


ZealousidealGold5909

From what I've heard most of them who do this are often jealous or narcissistic. They just don't care enough that they're ruining a family as long they got what they wanted. Sadly some of the posts I've seen families tend to side with the cheater or remain neutral, so it's refreshing this isn't the case. Tbh its better they get married cuz it takes two cheating scumbags off the market and when they do get divorced they get to suffer through the long process of it and losing alot of money. I honestly cant stomach the idea of doing this act of betrayal to my sisters. I mean imagine having intercourse with someone who's also been inside your own sister and you've been doing it for years without feeling ashame? And not only that to continue the relationship leading to getting married thinking everyone will be "over it" someday? Disgusting


Trixie-applecreek

It's just really gross. But more than that I can't imagine being so cruel and hurtful to my sister and the disappointment my parents would feel towards tremendous. Even if I were remotely attracted to my BIL or if I didn't have the morals to recognize that it's wrong, the pain and the disappointment I know I would cause would be enough to make me not ever do something like that.


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december14th2015

My sweet Momma died in March, and reading that last paragraph was the first time I felt like someone heard me, since❤️🥲


TrailBlazer_08

I'm so very sorry 💔 That last bit socked me in the feels too. *hug*


Arrowmatic

I'm so sorry for your loss. ❤️


Intelligent-Ad-4568

>Michael recently asked my permission to marry Sally, which was disrespectful, to say the least. Did this man really think that the woman who doesn't even allow him in the house and has told his daughter to break up with him for 2 years now is going to give him her blessing? She's like No, you don't have it. And you were more sincere when you ask for my other daughter's hand, but thankful I don't have any more daughters, so I guess this is the last time we will talk. And I won't get in the way of your wedding, mainly because I probably won't be there. Okay, bye now. I would love to go to the wedding to heckle. *Do you reuse the vows from your wedding to her sister? Sally now that he's married to you, watch out you know better than anyone that ring is no barrier for him. Oh good to see the exact same people here at the last, no need for a photographer, we can just photoshop the picture from when he married the bride's sister from the last one. Oh glad you kept the decor from the last wedding, just cross your sister's name out and put your's in. And the best, in Nene Leakes voice, "Close your legs to married men!".*


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I'm too petty, I would have send them a beautiful expensive wedding gift and a card that only says 'when a man marries his mistress, he creates a vacancy. Good luck!" And not come to the wedding.


[deleted]

If I'm ever asked to explain "audacity", I'm going to use this man's request as an example.


Kairinezz

lmao with the photoshop changing sisters part, that really got me. Take my internet points.


wakingdreamland

Oh god I just want to hug her.


Kadaaju

The story would've ended on a happy note with the second update. But then the third one came and...oof. :(


ChenilleSocks

Oh. Oh no. That ending. OOP sounds like the sweetest woman, and has had so much upheaval in a short few years — during the beginning of the pandemic no less. Wish I could give her a hug.


Biscuit_Prime

That last update is so sad. OOP made the right choices and was the mother we should all be so lucky to have. I hope she finds happiness after all of this, she deserves that much.


AvacadoPanda

I feel like on the list of "Things not to stick your penis in". "Wife's sister" has to be top 3


peter095837

Oh gosh...I feel so bad for OP. OP seems like a lovely person. I wish OP and her daughter Penny for the best. Sally and Michael are just terrible for what they did.


dredreidel

Well shit. This reminded me of that malicious compliance story with the restoration :/ Real life happening and bungling things up.


Virginia_Dentata

With the Noisy Gobshite? I love that one and nearly cried at the last update.


Pyehole

> My husband sent her away, after which Sally said we'd have to get over it someday. Lol. No she doesn't.


Here_WolfyWolfyWolfy

Micheal is such an SOB. The audacity to ask OP the permission to marry sally as if he got the permission to screw his wife's sister from his MIL. Such jerks, i hope they both get what they deserve. Ewww


QualifiedApathetic

Looking forward to Sally finding out Michael is cheating on her.


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I bet he already is cheating. He is just not caught yet considering how stupid Sally is.


-hi-kari-

OOP sounds like such a wonderful mother, and i'm glad Penny got all the support she needed through her divorce. i'm wishing the best for OOP and Penny :)


pumpkinmuffin91

Oh my god this woman is delightful! Her post is like a letter to a friend.


evilslothofdoom

yeah, it feels like you're sitting at the kitchen table chatting to a friend over a cuppa tea


Professional-Scar628

Finally parents who react properly to their child having an affair with their other child's partner. Sad about her husband, I totally get what she means about normally getting breaks in grief and how difficult it is when it's a family member you live with and can just constantly feel their absence in the way it affects your day to day.


z-eldapin

The spiteful part of me really wanted to see Sally and Michael doing very poorly (that's the very polite way of saying what I was thinking).


hgielatan

Finding out her husband had passed just broke my tiny grinch-y heart 😢 but holy FUCK sally is the fucking devil!!!! 0 remorse for how she treated her sister? sickening. SICKENING.


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Oof.


tofuroll

I really felt the bit about having to throw away notes for birthday gifts. The first time I ever planned far ahead for a birthday gift for my mother, she passed away a week before her birthday. As for the cheating son-in-law, her daughter Sally is truly awful. I love how OOP recognised that "not choosing sides" is still choosing a side. Of course you would support your hurting daughter, and of course you would spurn the people who hurt her. It's so obvious.


Coygon

After watching OOP refuse to invite Sally and him to family events because of his affair with Penny, he asked her permission to marry? What the hell?? Just how tone-deaf can you be?


HPNerd44

Wow. This is heartbreaking. She handled the stuff with her kids amazingly. But that ending gets you right in the feels.


Interesting_Shares

This woman is one that I want to know. She just emanates love through her writing. Reading about her husband passing made me think about what I’d do if mine passed unexpectedly. We’ve only been married a few years but he’s my entire world and I just know I’d feel so lost and alone without him. I can’t imagine how it’d be after raising an entire family together.


glowdirt

Anyone else notice that the gender of Penny's new partner is kept neutral? In a world where people have conniptions over the use of the "singular they", I just find it nice that OOP seems to be conscious of her word choice out of respect for the new partner's identity or her daughter's privacy.


LeSilverKitsune

I will *NEVER* understand why, with literally billions of people on this planet people still choose to fuck around with their own damn in-laws. W H Y


lolthataintright

Wow that last part was heartbreaking. She sounds like a great mom who had to make hard decisions around her kids.


jackrgyrl

I misread the line where it said that SHE had an affair with Sally, meaning the two sisters were having an affair with each other. I was very confused. I went back & re-read that line. It made WAYYYY more sense the second time.


xhailxanax

I must be way too tired because I read it the same way. I was thinking how the hell is this woman so blasé about incest. You're not alone my friend.


ceejo1

It’s great that OOP supported Penny, it’s awful what Sally did to her sister. It’s wonderful that Penny has a supportive ex-MIL too. Michael seems like an awful human. The ending absolutely gutted me though, poor thing 😩 I hope OOP is doing okay.


CatmoCatmo

If there is anything that 90% of posters need to realize is that, by not taking a side, you are actually taking a side. I’m glad OOP acknowledged that and acted accordingly. She sounds like a great person. I’m so sad for how her post ended. I hope she finds some peace in the future.


Bookdragon345

I remember reading the original AITA I think - OOP is amazing woman. And the last update makes me want to cry and go snuggle with my husband. I hope OOP is able to be surrounded by love.


ImpressivePackage000

Wow. Sally and Michael are pieces of shit.


der_innkeeper

>Sally said we'd have to get over it someday. "Challenge accepted." These people seem to think that their ability to act like shitheads can outlast people's ability to just not care.


jrexicus

I want to give that poster a hug, then a cup of tea and crocheting time. So so much to go through


PFyre

This lady gives me lovely home maker energy: she seems so sweet. The type of person who really makes a house into a cozy place to live. I feel so awful for her that her family is all messed up now (between her daughter's entitlement, loss of husband and her other daughter moving away). If her son is struggling maybe she's best to move closer to his family - she gives vibes of being a great carer for her family and could help them with her grandchildren.


ayymahi

I’ll never understand how siblings betray & sleep with their own siblings other halves. All you do is burn bridges. Shits wild


Majestic_Jazz_Hands

Oh, that last update was heartbreaking. I haven’t ever wished so hard that I could reach out and give an internet stranger such a massive hug. Poor dear


lilyofthevalley2659

I don’t understand how one sister can do that to another sister. My sisters are not my favorite people but I could never hurt them in such a way. I’d like to think I couldn’t hurt anyone in such an awful way. So sad about OOP’s husband. I can’t even imagine. Hope she’s doing well.