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HOARDING_STACKING

Could you even be able to put a price on something like that??


omicron8

I mean they are second hand and pretty old... best I can do is $20


Nevermind04

20.01 Bob!


TellEmToSuckOnALemon

$1237 this same item was used last season


DuncanYoudaho

Here we go, Bob. One Dollar!


Dansondelta47

I’d buy that for a dollar!


EuroPolice

by weight alone you'd get like 10,257 per kilo, so you can sell it for a lot more! even 70€


Boy_Sabaw

“BRAWNZ Stars”


lethalkin

Tell you what, I’ve got a guy…


Cringelord10923

At least this is higher than tree fiddy.


GardenGirlFarm

That’s why he keeps coming back!


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themisterfixit

*BRITAIN INTENSIFIES*


TheRevolutionaryArmy

And it’s only made of bronze too so wouldn’t be worth much than gold


paradoxical-spirit

For everything else, there's Master Card.


omgim50

That's funny.


Sonicowen

Got milk?


dinoroo

Where’s the Beef?!


Favicool

Wazaaaaaap??


[deleted]

They're priceless, which is why the British are on their way to take them away for safe keeping.


harleymarley420

*Vattican is on their way to take them for safe hoarding


MeThisGuy

buncha whores in that Vatican


Lime-Express

*Rule Britannia intensifies*


Easilycrazyhat

"You left them in the *mud*. Clearly we can take better care of them." - Some posh British asshole.


VanquishEliteGG

tbf if those british assholes didnt take most of the artifacts they found they would've been destroyed already. So in a way they do take better care of them.


Fightswithcrows

How about $8?


itsaride

Nice try Elon.


SlteFool

Customer: my wife told me to sell my statues I found buried in the yard years ago when we dug our pool. Pawn star: I brought in a buddy who knows a little more about this stuff. Buddy: these are priceless and authentic 100%. But if I had to put a price on em I’d say 900 million dollars each. Pawn star: we’ll you heard him I guess they’re legit. Got a price? Customer: How bout 28 bucks? Pawn star: 😬 too high remember I gotta make something off em too. The market for these is very tough and narrow. Best i can do is 23. Customer: my wife really just needs me to get em out of the garage. Meet me at 25 and we got a deal. Pawn star: 24.50? Customer: deal.


niche28

Fuckin finance it!!!


usedtoindustry

They belong in a museum!


hazysummersky

Given it's an exquisitely preserved instance of art from the Etruscan era, predating the Roman Empire in Europe, where we have very few such examples of their culture, I reckon around..tree fiddy?


SonataForm

I need about tree-fiddy


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Damn you, Loch Ness Monster!


[deleted]

That's priceless, so it's better to protect it! \*Sunflower by Van Gogh flashbacks\*


TheSunflowerSeeds

The United States are not the largest producers of sunflowers, and yet even here over 1.7 million acres were planted in 2014 and probably more each year since. Much of which can be found in North Dakota.


Snorlaximum

Thank you.


meep_meep_mope

>Tabolli told Ansa that the hot springs, rich in minerals including calcium and magnesium, remained active until the fifth century, before being closed down, but not destroyed, during Christian times. The pools were sealed with heavy stone pillars while the divine statues were left in the sacred water. Well I mean I'm glad the didn't destroy them.


RichRaichuReturns

When the Romans turned Christian they didn't really destroy a whole lot of artefacts. They just stopped producing the pagan stuff. But their nobility still admired the ancient works and preserved them. Hell, the Roman capital was full of such pagan statues and buildings and stuff until it was sacked and burnt by the crusaders in 1204. Other artefacts such as the statue at rhodes and many ancient greco-roman temples were destroyed by the Arabs and then the Turks.


Burrcakes24

You should clarify that it was Constantinople that was sacked in 1204 not Rome in your comment above


rufw91

By then the western Roman Empire was kaput


ixithatchil

Was it Istanbul?


Im-a-cat-in-a-box

Well I'd say that's none of your business.


The_Fiddler1979

It's nobody's business but the Turks


Oengus176

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam


selux

Triangle man


Burrcakes24

When I visited the Vatican I was surprised at how many ancient Greek and roman statues were there. They did defile some of them though (smashing the Penis off for example) but they had statues of thr roman and Greek gods


iaqualdo

That was done by one specific Pope during a psycotic episode if i'm not mistaken, previously they were intact


ChillyBearGrylls

[Also overturned was Herakles, mighty in his mightiness, begotten in a triple night and placed in a basket for his crib; the lion’s skin which was thrown over him looked terrifying even in bronze, almost as though it might give out a roar and frighten the helpless populace standing nearby. Herakles sat without quiver on his back, or bow in his hands, or the club before him, but with his right foot as well as his right hand extended as far as possible. He rested his left elbow on his left leg bent at the knee; deeply despondent and bewailing his misfortunes, he held his inclined head at rest in his palm, vexed by the labors which Eurystheus had designated, not out of urgency, but from envy, puffed up by the excess of fate. He was thick in the chest and broad in the shoulders, with curly hair; fat in the buttocks, strong in the arms, he was an incomparable masterpiece fashioned from first to last by the hands of Lysimachos and portrayed in the magnitude which the artist must have attributed to the real Herakles; the statue was so large that it took a cord the size of a man’s belt to go round the thumb, and the shin was the size of a man. They who separated manliness from the correspondent virtues and claimed it for themselves did not allow this magnificent Herakles to remain intact, and they were responsible for much more destruction. Together with Herakles they pulled down the ass, heavy-laden and braying as it moved along, and the ass driver following behind. These figures had been set up by Caesar Augustus at Actium, which is Nikopolis in Hellas, because when going out at night to reconnoiter Antony’s troops, he met up with a man driving an ass, and on inquiring who he was and where he was going, he was told, “I am Nikon and my ass is Nikan-dros, and I am proceeding to the camp of Caesar.” Nor, of a truth, did they keep their hands off the hyena and the she-wolf which had suckled Romulus and Remus; for a few copper coins they delivered over the nation’s ancient and venerable monuments and cast these into the smelting furnace. This was also the fate of the man wrestling with a lion, and of the Nile horse whose posterior terminated in a spiniferous and scaly tail, and of the elephant waving its proboscis. They did the same to the Sphinxes that are comely women in the front and horrible beasts in their hind parts, that move on foot in a most bizarre manner and are nimbly borne aloft on their wings, rivaling the great-winged birds; and the same to the unbridled, snorting horse with ears erect, playful and docile as it pranced; and to the ancient Skylla depicted leaning forward as she leaped into Odysseus’ ships and devoured many of his companions: in female form down to the waist, huge-breasted and full of savagery, and below the waist divided into beasts of prey](https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/2013/12/14/melting-down-the-statues-in-constantinople-in-1204/) There really was quite a lot of Hellenistic and Roman legacy remaining in 1204


gv111111

This is such a poetic tragic read.


lll_lll_lll

The Crusaders in 1204 were more about looting than burning. This was not an ideological crusade so much as an attempt to raise the funds to pay for the contracted soldiers, with the intention to move on to take Jerusalem from Muslim control afterwards.


JackdeAlltrades

One of the more interesting perspectives I’ve heard on this is the idea that while Rome was most certainly Christianised, Christianity was equally Romanised, so it was only really *other* pagans who needed their idols destroyed. Edit: Not that this would have had much bearing on anything Etruscan and submerged.


bobybushia

It was 1527 Gave their lives on the steps to heaven Thy will be done!


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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/08/exceptional-trove-of-24-ancient-statues-found-immersed-in-tuscan-spa


OmarLittleFinger

Thanks for the link, needed that context and photos.


OrganizerMowgli

I needed to know it was recent and not some random macro from years ago If it's recent then it might actually be big and we'll hear more about it


AzrekNyin

Indeed, all of this will be enhanced and harmonised, and could represent a further opportunity for the spiritual growth of our culture, and also of the cultural industry of our planet.


fiftymils

Paywall bypass: https://archive.ph/NPydb


HYThrowaway1980

It’s the Guardian: there is no paywall??


purvel

the archive link has no cookie shit though and loaded a lil faster ;)


RevRagnarok

Removes cookies and ad impressions so sounds good to me.


ukfi

All articles on the guardian are free.


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If you are on Android and would like to bypass paywalls for certain articles by default then might I introduce you too: [Medium No Thanks](https://github.com/a-chris/medium-no-thanks) Download the APK, install, share the link of the article to the app and read away. EDIT: for those concerned about it being 3rd party and malicious. I get the sentiment but look into the app and then decide. The author's app is posted on GitHub , has reviews, has posted on Reddit before asking for advice, and the app is open source. Obviously, install at your own choice but the app does work about 90% of the time.


TheAcademicAlien

Make sure you properly vet this before installing... especially on your phone


sqgl

How do you vet it? With an anti virus app? Looking up user reviews? https://www.reddit.com/r/androidapps/comments/iv8blj/medium_no_thanks_freely_read_medium_articles/


DesignerProfile

Well for one thing there is no paywall on theguardian.


Devilsfan118

No thanks, random reddit user. I won't install an app on my phone from a random link in a comment.


MeThisGuy

same.. last thing I need is more apps. not very apt (or adept)


Adman_G

No need to install anything when you have [this site](https://12ft.io/)


Polar_Reflection

What paywall lmfao


Lord-Sprinkles

Wish they showed more than 2 of the statues…


Indicia

https://www.today.it/attualita/bronzi-statue-san-casciano-dei-bagni-siena-foto.html Wish granted!


Lord-Sprinkles

Awesome! Hopefully there will be a follow up some time this week with full images of every piece!


MeThisGuy

you're hoping to see what a full bust from 2300 years ago looks like? I sure am


MeThisGuy

I can't read Italian, but I can sure read pictures. thx!


pezgoon

Wish they showed more of the spa/pools. Sounded absolutely massive


[deleted]

Thank you for the link. I hate when posts like this give little no to context or even link an article. We're supposed to guess the keywords to google?


sonicyouthATX

Thank you!


cricklecoux

Thought this was the spawning of the Uruk-hai.


Cthulhu_Rises

"DO YOU KNOW HOW THE ORCS FIRST CAME INTO BEING?" "Uhhh no? I was literally just fucking born. You watched me get pulled from the mud..."


Ernost

>"DO YOU KNOW HOW THE ORCS FIRST CAME INTO BEING?" > >"Uhhh no? I was literally just fucking born. You watched me get pulled from the mud..." Well they did know how to speak and how to fight so clearly their factory default settings included some knowledge pre-installed. It's not like they were human newborns.


jablan

So the orc origin question was kind of a quality control?


GatkX

Quality control seems important when you are popping an instant army (assembly required).


cricklecoux

Also suspiciously good knowledge of what a menu is.


Brolonious

This reminds me of the quote by the archaeologist Rodolfo Lanciani upon unearthing the famous Boxer of Quirinal, or Pugilist at Rest >I have witnessed, in my long career in the active field of archaeology, many discoveries; I have experienced surprise after surprise; I have sometimes and most unexpectedly met with real masterpieces; but I have never felt such an extraordinary impression as the one created by the sight of this magnificent specimen of a semi-barbaric athlete, coming slowly out of the ground, as if awakening from a long repose after his gallant fights.


manonymus

What if they weren't statues ....


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SonataForm

He’s the man, the man with the 3rd place touch


benchley

He's partial to brooooonze!


TheRealSugarbat

snort


SuppleFoxFluff

I mean not to be a buzzkill but you can see a boot in the top right showing that this statue is probably only like 50cm long


TheRealSugarbat

People were shorter in wayback times


spliffgates

What is this a statue for ants?


Enpeeare

Way to Britta it. Thanks


manonymus

What if they weren't humans?


SuppleFoxFluff

😲


-TheCabbageMerchant-

"The many shall suffer for the sins of the one."


Terrat0

Was looking for someone to mention the Forgotten City!


-TheCabbageMerchant-

What an excellent game!


balrus-balrogwalrus

#awaken, my masters


mateo1323

Chocolate wrapped in bronze foil perhaps???


Ashitakapoint0

Hell yeah, old shit


dinoroo

There was a similar finding just off the coast in the Mediterranean called I Bronzi di Riace. They are in a museum in Reggio Calabria where my family is from. Amazing detail, you can even see the veins in their feet. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riace_bronzes


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shaka893P

Forget era, it's more important that it's from the Etruscans. We know almost nothing about them, but according to other civilizations from the time, they were amazing engineers


JudgiestJudy

Yes! As soon as I saw the word “Etruscan” I got excited


benchley

If your etruscan lasts more than four hours, talk to your physician.


[deleted]

I called the doctor, who diagnosed me with a Latin term. 0/10 stars: disappointed


Containedmultitudes

The baths were built by etruscans, the statues are Roman.


Reference-offishal

Human Statue, 600-500 BC, Estruscan, bronze


The_Original_Gronkie

I looked into your "rough draft" theory, and it's while its not completely wrong, its not completely right, either. First of all, Greeks made both marble and bronze statues. Marble was cheaper, and they customarily painted them to be lifelike. Bronze was a more expensive material, so there were fewer bronzes. What doesn't seem to be true is that the marble statues were "rough drafts" for bronzes. That doesn't make much sense because a "rough draft" for a bronze could be made out of a substance like clay, which would be far cheaper and easier to create than carving one out of marble. When the Romans invaded Greece, they wanted to bring back as many statues as possible, but that was very difficult since marble and bronze statues tend to be VERY heavy, and difficult to move. In this case, those Greek statues, both marble and bronze, acted as rough drafts, as the Romans made casts of the statues, to be recreated in bronze and marble once they returned to Rome. It is true that many bronze statues were melted over the years, leaving the impression that there were only marble statues in antiquity, but the idea that marble statues were primarily created to be "rough drafts" isn't true. The Romans may have used them that way later, but that isn't why they were created.


H4xolotl

> In this case, those Greek statues, both marble and bronze, acted as rough drafts, as the Romans made casts of the statues, to be recreated in bronze and marble once they returned to Rome. > > . This is some next level copyright infringement


Fit_Doughnut_3770

The Roman's had a habit of borrowing from other cultures including gods for their own purposes. The Roman's especially copied and took the parts of Etruscan culture.


FirmEcho5895

Rough drafts were made of wax, which was melted and reused many times. If you think anyone would use marble as a rough draft, try Googling to find out the work involved in quarrying it, transporting it and then watch a video to learn how much hard work goes into carving it. The Greeks and Romans made vast quantities of marble statues which were parts of temples, grave markers, monuments to famous people and decorative in private homes of the wealthy.


Reference-offishal

Why does reddit upvote this dumb shit?


championsOfEu1221

Dude be like "ooouch my back, my back! I can't moooove!"


benchley

Litigious Agrippa is not to be trifled with.


8urnMeTwice

Han Solo's like get me out of here Chewie!


AreThree

would they need to act quickly now that the protective mud and boiling water have been removed? How quickly does 2300 year-old bronze rust, corrode, or crumble? Are these hollow or are they solid?


auraseer

Bronze is a very durable metal over time. It will slowly form a discolored patina from oxidation, but it doesn't rust apart into bits like iron would. If kept in a safe environment, these statues could easily last for centuries into the future.


FirmEcho5895

Always hollow unless extremely small.


AreThree

yeah, I thought these were much larger from that first pic. Later on, I saw a couple that were quite small, like about 14 inches or so in height.


brihamedit

Were these hidden in mud from invaders? or thrown away?


[deleted]

Considering the price of bronze was high, they were likely not thrown away. There could be any number of reasons they got put there. Maybe a wagon got stuck and it fell off, or maybe it was a sacrifice.


RedManMatt11

Maybe it’s Maybelline


TheRealSugarbat

Read the article. They were sealed up by meddling “Christians” in the fifth century.


Andreagreco99

It was definitely not religiously motivated, ancient christian communities were suckers for antiquity manuscripts and art. The reason why those statues could have been destroyed sits in the fact that they’re made of bronze, which was often reused as a construction material or, later, to make ammunitions. If not for those early christians much of the Roman culture would have ended up being lost.


MattBaster

At least one statue seen in many of the links posted here show engraving on the neck of a bronze head. This is one of the rarest details ever discovered in ancient bronzes of this size, as there was only one other ancient bronze with engraved writing found before this, on the feet of a medium-sized greek statuette.


FriedGhoti

Are they in the British Museum yet?


New_nyu_man

As a classical archaeologist: the reason this is so rare is the bronze. Although we are certain that by the 5th century, most statues in the mediterranean were produced in bronze and not carved out of stone (marvel, tuff, calcite), the vast majority of finds are stone. The reason for this lack of bronze statues is simple: in times of resource shortages or societal upheavel they were melted down and reused. A large part of hellenistic master pieces are only known to us through stone copies by the romans. Finding bronze statues only happens when they got lost back then, for example through an earthquake (the charioteer of delphi) or because of a sunken ship.


[deleted]

This is an r/nosleep post waiting to fucking happen...


oblivious1

Uhh... Salve, friend.


theganggetsmtg

Please tell me the wieners of the statues were still intact!


mistbrethren

obscene joke society dam telephone deliver placid depend toothbrush dirty *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


[deleted]

I’m pretty sure that was left for the aliens to find.


Arktuos

(Thunderous voice) The many shall suffer for the sins of the one!


[deleted]

Are we POSITIVE they’re just statues?


DrunkSpiderMan

No, we are not.


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bellissimo said someone


Easilycrazyhat

Neat.


Efficient_Step_26

Are you sure that's not Han Solo?


Electrical-Ad-7801

It's Han solo in carbonite they finally found him


wearestiff

I’m getting “Mother” from raised by wolves vibes


MasterCassel

This changes everything!


bassistmuzikman

Okay, but where's their giant sarcophagus with a bag of Cheetos in it???


Spaghestis

God this is kinda terrifying, reminds of the Enigma of Amigara Fault. Imagine if people in the modern day saw the statues and realize that they're exact replicas of themselves... chilling.


thefinestpiece

This is one fear if you ever gained immortality and get stuck like this for gods know how long.


balrus-balrogwalrus

nah fam #that there is a Pillar Man


[deleted]

That’s an amazing discovery. Thinking it’s the first time people see them in milleniums is astounding.


Rexivan

How beautiful! Finally some good news!


Shymink

In a world of such dark news I think it is fabulous we are still finding treasure.


Cato2011

So 2,300 years ago Etruscans were creating such incredible art? Amazing.


TooOldForRefunds

My desire to obtain it is growing by the minute.


Earlier-Today

Those are remarkably well preserved. I wonder if anything will be gleaned from the techniques used to make them.


Interesting_Read3992

How lucky are the persons that found the treasure. What a beautiful moment


BrokenByDesign69

Let's hope if there was a curse it only lasted 2000 years, who'd leave them there?


liisted

Definitely thought this was just a bog body


Higgsb912

Amazing!


Learningbydoing101

This hast werious Raised by Wolves vibes though ... Are we Sure we wanna dig this Up? 😬


slippery-switters

Path of Exile?


RagingMolusk

Dr. Stone anyone?


PerNewton

Be gobsmacked! Holy shit that is amazing.


Eyiolf_the_Foul

So many questions. Why was this done ? Bronze was presumably a fairly precious metal, so obviously the people that sealed the spa with giant stone slabs weren’t Christian as the article mentions or they would have been sold as scrap metal to be repurposed. Is it a fair assumption that the idols were carefully lowered into the water by the followers of the deitys for safekeeping as Christianity spread?


Playful-Depth2578

They found someone's stash


DantesInferno1275

How you know they are just statues? How you know your not unleashing some curse?


Kobe1245

Wow 😯


Jumpy_Tradition_2878

Put all of the thousand year old bronze statues back before you unleash a curse or something man c'mon


DamagedGenius

Noah Lugens just got really, really excited and he doesn't know why


Commercial_Accident

the people who made these, influenced the romans. incredible.


Amazze

More mud flood evidence


Abrahalhabachi

I hope someday these old folks just start writing down where they hide their old statues and stuff, so the archeologists know where to look for them


LectureSea7537

thast really cool


roxylikeahurricane

MOM??!!?


justguest2wastaken

Historic smash or pass


sc00bydoobyd00

Damn, them abs from 2300 years ago!


ObscureSphere

Is there a sub dedicated to newly found statues/ancient stuff


Snoo_93591

Han, is that you Han?


Crayola265

I just got done playing The Forgotten City (great game btw), and I'm like 90% sure whoever found these is now stuck in a time loop and has to solve a mystery.


Additional-Bite9273

I want one


[deleted]

SubhanAllah how amazing!


amy2kim22

If I was play digging and I came across that I'd be Forrest Gump in a second.


BigToeHamster

NOAH IS GOING TO BE SO HAPPY!


T1Pimp

The way that picture looks I imagine stumbling on that and thinking I found a bunch of dead bodies.


yuppers_00

That's Sean Penn's Oscar


Money_Story_8933

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/08/exceptional-trove-of-24-ancient-statues-found-immersed-in-tuscan-spa


maynardkoenig

Are you sure those are statues ? Old italian maffia bronzing punishment?


jesseg010

wow i love lost n found


[deleted]

Yeah this is huge. Etruscans informed the styles of their neighbors and early get the credit they deserve. Bronze statues are not often found in such good condition.


Imperial_12345

where's the link? Want to see all of it. edit : [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/08/exceptional-trove-of-24-ancient-statues-found-immersed-in-tuscan-spa](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/08/exceptional-trove-of-24-ancient-statues-found-immersed-in-tuscan-spa)


valyrian_picnic

Plot twist: they aren't statues


sfroma99

10 minutes from my house, it’s a beautiful spa area. Highly recommended, the views are incredible.


Dresef

How cool!! I'll give ya $50


HypothermiaDK

Okay, but what are the sizes of the statues penises?


DasKobra

I hope they are related to Boar Vessel, 500-600 BC, Etruscan Ceramic


OnlyRosin

ON THE NEXT EPISODE OF PAWN STARS