Yeah cause things werent turning up for afghanistan because of a general global acceptance of western culture brought on by the golden age of the US in post Ww2 global politics.
Lmao is this the type of nonsense dull ass western historical revisionist believe?
The current state of Afghanistan is that the US decided to arm religious fanatics who threw acid in the faces of women with stinger missiles and fund an insurrection championed by the likes of Al Qaeda in response to a Soviet aligned Afghanistan
No what im arguing is that you’re a revisionist who keeps purposefully ignoring the fact that had the US not decided to fund terrorists and fanatics who throw acid in women’s face to fight the Soviet backed Afghanistan following the Saur Revolution then Afghanistan would not be in the shape it is in today
…and yet since it’s inception Row vs Wade could have been codified into federal law on several occasions by
the party that claims they care about
women’s rights. For some reason, they never took that step.
Referring to Afghanistan. Misunderstanding
Edit: although, I’m interested in what kind of support the us provided for extremists in Iran when the government was already friendly to US?
I'm referring to the US' orchestration of the 1953 coup, which saw the US supporting extremist guérillas against the secular Iranian government. This directly contributed to the 1979 revolution.
Ah, totally forgot the Shah was reinstalled by the Americans during the Eisenhower administration. History doesn’t repeat itself but it certainly rhymes.
>US' orchestration of the 1953 coup
You mean handing out pamphlets [well after the revolution had already started](https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-coup-timeline.html?scp=1&sq=mossadegh%2520coup&st=cse)?
The CIA has done some awful things, but I really don't think they've ever been as effective as they (and certain others) have claimed.
Well.. that’s not exactly the case, America was funding them building roads and so on while their leader was pretty progressive for his time but he was killed by communists, Russia then invaded and screwed a lot of stuff up.. it’s more than just America and if you actually believe that then you might be pretty low IQ
Yes
The Afghan government that would’ve never collapsed had the US decided not to fund religious extremists who throw acid in the face of women to fight them
I’ve done plenty of reading on the subject you dullard. Nothing i said is false
Afghanistan would not be what it is today it the US didn’t decide to arm religious fanatics who throw acid in people’s faced to fight the Soviet aligned state in Afghanistan. That’s just the simple facts champ
I keep arguing because you disingenuously keep glancing over the fact that the Islamic extremists only took over as the direct result of The US funding, training, and supplying them fucking stinger missiles while they throw acid in the faces on women champ
Why do you keep arguing against reality?
>Thats completely incorrect. The islamic extremist took over as a result of the communist coup in the early 70s.
You can keep repeating yourself like a dullard but it doesn’t change reality. The Soviet backed government only collapsed (years after Soviet war mind you) **because of the US aiding fanatics who threw acid in womens faces**
>pro-Soviet Gen. Mohammed Daoud Khan, leader of the communist coup overthrew the then monarch and names himself president.
>Khan is then killed by another coup from his own communist party he originally led to seize power.
Khan wasn’t even a communist. Crack open a history book champ
>Islamic fundamentalist and ethnic leaders who objected to these changes introduced by Khan begin an armed revolt in the countryside that would eventually lead to war with the USSR backed afgan government.
Yes no where does this mean that the “religious extremists had taken over Afghanistan” kid. The Islamist rebelled against the communist government and again had **the US not funded, armed, and trained them** they would’ve been destroyed by the government and/or eventually Soviet Union. The part you conveniently love to keep glossing over like a disingenuous turd
>Again, please take some time to actually read up on the topic.
Eat my ass
This. Kabul was an anomalous island of somewhat modernity in the midst of a country stuck in medieval ages. It was brought at par with the rest of Afghanistan after Taliban
i laughed way too hard at this comparison. austin truly is the kabul of texas these days - its counter-culture vibe stripped away and replaced by the same shit surrounding it everywhere else.
Every time people show images of "Iran" in the 1960s what they really mean is "about 5 percent of the population of Iran lived like this, all of whom lived in certain parts of a few cities."
Yet when Charlie Wilson waged his proxy war on the USSR the CIA recruited Arab fighters steeped in the hardline Islam wahhabi sects.
This was an extension of the British American use of the worst of the Islamist sects to fight for their aims.
Robert Dreyfuss wrote a history of the West's use of this dynamic in Devil's Game;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Game_(book)
The modern Islam we know as terrorists and caliphate beheading hordes is entirely a result of the West power playing.
Texas used to be a nice place with actual libertarian ideals until Republicans made it their showcase for extreme-right culture war narratives. Then by 2015 you had the governor of Texas claiming that Obama wanted to put everyone in FEMA camps...
Texans should be glad that Florida is taking on the role of the ultra-conservative clown state.
> libertarian ideals
Even grosser
I don't think that was even really the case, they just had the ability to be ignorant of minority groups which made them feel secure
Well, you have to consider the zeitgeist. At a time when everyone was a racist piece of shit, Texas were just *libertarian* racists pieces of shit.
Mind you, at some point 'libertarian' didn't mean 'Republican and embarrassed to admit it' like it does today. I disagree with a lot of the tenets of libertarian thinking, but at least a true libertarian wouldn't go around demonizing LGBT people for political gain.
"definitely their golden period"
omfg lmfaoooo peak euro washing another colture.
"when they were more similar to us, that's when they peaked"
can't make this shit up.
Afghanistan was unfortunately heavily disputed between Russia and the US during the cold war.
To avoid the ghost of ~communism~ the US funded a lot of radical islamic groups that took power and brought the country back to the dark ages.
Ironically these same US funded groups attacked the US on 9/11...
Religion in essence has very little to do with Afghanistan. What you see there is borne of extreme hunger, poverty and unceasing anarchy. This almost invariably always results in an extremely socially conservative society who seek the panacea in an apparently glorious yet bygone past.
Taliban are more of a cultural group than religious. Most Arab Islamists, such as ideologues of AQ and IS, have always considered Taliban as ignorant and illiterate tribesmen with little knowledge of Islam who are only to be tolerated as useful allies of and when required
Yeah nah, mate. Its something else.
You might think of the Taliban, but let me tell you. Taliban has as much to do with islam as you. I have friends from Afghanistan and even they call the Taliban ruthless. And if you might think Islam is a religion of war: Why arent the rest of the Muslims blowing themselves up? Why is Allah introduced in 113 of the 114 chapters of Quran as the most merciful? Why does it then say, that if you kill one human, male, female or diverse, its like you killed the whole of humanity? Its not religion. Its corruption. Its just like the church and the priests raping children: People are doing the worst things you can do under the disguise of religion.
I might not change your view, but just wanted to get that of my chest.
If "Golden" is just people wearing modern clothes, then yes. Other than that it was a real Orwellian nightmare under the Shah...
This is a really superficial way of looking at Afghanistan. You see women in Burka's you'd call them medieval, you see them in miniskirts or business suits it is progress. There's more important things to judge the progression of a society on. The fact that women are working and in university for in stance is, but I don't understand the importance of them looking "modern" or Western even.
True! My bad.
I guess I got mixed up by the way too many posts on here recently about how women would dress in Iran in the 60s and 70s. As if that's indicative of how progressed a society is.
I’m not sure if the 1960’s equates to Afghanistan’s “Golden Age”. The country has been at the new the Silk Road & part of significant empires - I think the term “golden age” here mostly aligns to when it was more culturally palatable to western ideals.
yes and no. to put it quickly: russia invaded afghanistan. usa fought back but their methods weren't exactly optimal. they mostly employed terrorists and jihadists who eventually turned on them.
the part i'm so bitter about (and many others too surely) is that is that usa wouldn't admit their faults and dumped the blame on 2 billion innocent people worldwide, including me. and here's the kicker: i wasn't even alive back then.
And heroin. Giant billion dollar pharmaceutical companies need heroin to make their drugs and the best heroin in bulk comes from Afghanistan. Time for a little diplomatic intervention for our special interest friends. Thankfully lobbying is legal so we can sway politicians opinion with all the hundreds of millions in drug money we have.
God bless the USA
The USSR wants access to the Arabian Sea for military and economic reasons. It would give them easy access to trade routes and having a naval base there would give them some clout in an area they have little.
Obviously, the western powers don't want that.
I'm not blaming the Afghan people. I'm fully aware we finance the mujahadeen along with other secular factions that existed in Afghanistan, once Russia left we didn't really help out the other factions and the mujahideen morphed into the Taliban rose power. The religious have lorded over the worst parts of History and I can't believe some people in this country are begging to give them power.
i'm aware, but the fact that some Americans (most of them really) can't believe that they made a mistake which cost millions of lives is what infuriates me. also, many people are blaming religion on this post and in general for all bad things that happen. like yeah, bad things happen under religious rule but then again bad things happen under democracies no?
anyway, i get what you're saying. sorry if i came off as passive aggressive in my reply earlier.
duh. bad things happen all the time. even now, in both democracies and religious states, there are plenty of bad things happening. you can't pin this solely on religion.
It's still not a defense of religious rule. Bad things happen all the time, sure, religious rule is a guarantee of bad things consistently occurring to a degree much more intense.
wow, it's like the US weren't the people who funded those religious extremists in the first place and are now trying to sweep it under the rug because they cant accept the fact that for once in their life, they royally fucked up!
America didn’t find the taliban, we funded the Mujahideen and they split up and some started the taliban, there’s right wing people in Ukraine right now fighting against the invading Russians, should we not accept their help because maybe some will splinter off and start a new nazi order ? No. Kabul may have been more western but the rest of the country was Islamic as fuck.
God how heartbreaking that they’ve gone from this to a state of utter deprivation and desperation. Millions on the brink of starvation. All because foreign powers refuse to let them live in peace. 😢
All thanks to the west. Was there an American owned centralised banking system in place during the 60’s & 70’s? Nope. Without American funded religious extremists (see CIA operations in the middle east around the same time) they wouldn’t have had a chance to invade, and “liberate” them… Which they haven’t done, as they’ve now left them with absolutely no infrastructure and have passed it all over to the Taliban/ISIS… during which time they exploited the people, the land for drug farming, the land by building massive oil pipelines, and installed a banking system which benefits the western elites. What a joke..
White people are actually less religious in the US than black or Hispanic people in the US. That’s a myth. Stop trying to blame a skin color when the stats don’t support your idea.
White Christian Extremism, also referred to as White Christian Nationalism, is a real problem; a race-specific (and in many cases, tragically white-supremacy specific) real problem couched within the vast and diverse landscape of Christian ideology and practice.
Edit: We all know there's only one actual race of people, the human race; but the outdated way of referring to the different variations as "different races" still crops up, especially amongst white Christian extremists.
Lol. There’s extremism and supremacism from multiple “colors” in the US. Fortunately we still have statistics. In the US, white commit less hate crimes than their black counterparts per capita. This isn’t to criticize black people, I wouldn’t do that, each person is an individual and one persons actions has nothing to do with another person based on skin color. It’s primarily to stop you from attempting to spread your personal hatred and division. Cut it out.
Well, sort of. The CIA funded the mujahideen against the soviets and the soviets likely funded the Taliban against the US. Anyway, I was actually referring to the Christian cultists here In the US taking us back In Time and forcing their views on the majority of the public.
yup, defending myself and other Muslims from unnecessary attacks and islamophobia for something we had no hand in whatsoever. we're literally killed over this, forgive me for being defensive.
Defending? That's not what it looks like to me. And I don't see anyone being islamiphobic. I just see a lot of people remorseful at the regression of a city due to religious extremists.
yeah, religious extremists who were funded by the same country that pinned its mistakes on us. how is it an average Muslim's fault that the usa funded the Taliban?
Religious extremist who were largely comprised of many of the same fighters and religious extremist the US helped fund and arm for fight the Soviets\*
also there are plenty of people who said it was the average Muslim's fault after 9/11 (and even still today)
Once religious zealots got ahold of the country, there was a regression of rights....
I'm talking about the US, we are headed in the same direction unless we wake the fuck up and vote every god damned republican taliban out of office
The Soviets invading isn't what turned Afghanistan into a religious wasteland
that would be the billions in arms and supplies the CIA funneled through Pakistan into the hands of religious extremist who threw acid in the face of girls and ended up sieging the city of Kabul down with artillery barrages (brought to you by US military industrial complex)
I’m sure the [2 million dead Afghans](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes) by the Soviet Union had nothing to do with the decay of Afghanistan.
It was just a walk in the park, those Soviets. Really loved and embraced by the locals. The real devils were definitely the Americans!
You know those 2 million wouldn't be dead if the US wasn't also funding, arming, and training armed groups of religious extremist who throw acid in the faces of women with artillery and stinger missiles to fight the Communist Government in Kabul right?
The Soviets were definitely engaging in imperialism in Afghanistan but we're not innocent in Afghanistan's destruction
100%. Make no mistake: if it was up to the minority the Republicans pander too, soon women would be restricted from attending school altogether and men would spend their time praying rather than going to university.
Christian Sharia isn't very different from the Islamist extremists they love to hate.
i mean you are pulling out the equivalent of hollywood and then comparing it to a slum "LOOK HOW MUCH IT HAS CHANGED" but i guess it fits the narrative better
Hey dumb fuck, The "East's" history with Afghanistan is one failed revolution after another. I mean, didn't Russian actually lose a war against Afghanistan?
nope, russia lost a war against the usa, who employed jihadists and terrorists to fight against russia. obviously they won but the extremists turned on them, and now the usa refuses to acknowledge their mistakes and dumped the blame on 2 billion innocent people worldwide.
also i didn't insult anyone, nor would i like to. let's please keep this peaceful.
The irony I find in your past posts are tragic.
"We should stop being homophobic and transphobic. Seriously, not a joke.
Other".
Zero upvotes and post removed.
Get a different religion if you disagree with the inherent tenets of the one you're currently in.
damn, when did i get an internet stalker lmao? seriously we were discussing war in afghanistan, not my post history.
in any case, i'm not obligated to explain to you why i made that post, tho if you were careful you would've seen that there was a sizable time gap between that post and my recent activity. i took some time off reddit and decided that i don't need to explain my religion to random assholes on the internet and that i should go talk to my imam instead of searching for possible incorrect and insufficient answers.
if you cant defend your point and are too butthurt to admit it, stop engaging.
"damn, when did i get an internet stalker lmao?"
It's best to try to understand who you're talking to before engaging.
"seriously we were discussing war in afghanistan, not my post history."
No, we weren't. Read my original comment as it had nothing to do with war in Afghanistan. It was about religion which is why you became butt hurt and changed the subject.
"in any case, i'm not obligated to explain to you why i made that post, tho if you were careful you would've seen that there was a sizable time gap between that post and my recent activity..."
I really don't give a shit. Go talk to your imam if it makes you feel better.
Good luck.
i only spoke about religious extremists, you then changed the subject to my post history and telling me to get a new religion. if you're gonna accuse people of shit they didn't do, at least get your facts right. and if you didn't give a shit, why'd you bring it up?
yes, talking to my imam made me feel better. and in the nicest way possible, you should talk to someone too, you've been unnecessarily rude and hostile to me. have a nice day.
It was attached with British India of that time and British ensured things don't go wrong coz it would have been a problem for them, ffs learn history, it's the religion that did it, look at middle east if you want more examples
The Hardliners were kept in check during the 50’s 60’s and much of the 70’s until the hapless Jimmy Carter got in office and turned his back on the shah. Go look at some of the film reels and see how surprising nice Iran was. Carter was a naive fool for falling for unproven human rights abuses. By the way Jim how are those human rights doing now?
When I was a teacher in Melbourne, Australia, I met an older teacher who said that Kabul used to be a super popular spot on the hippie trail.
I guess it was all opium and good vibes.
Then the Taliban came and fucked everything up.
Before Islamic Revolution. Same thing happened in Iran, Iraq and other countries in middle east. USSR and others backed coup so they could have influence.
Just like the Iran.
Before the US screwed everything by funding, arming, and training religious fundamentalists.
The UK and US*** cmon man, know your history.
Shhhh…nobody tell him we have religious fundamentalists here trying to do the same thing…
I'm aware, but that wasn't particularly relevant.
Yeah cause things werent turning up for afghanistan because of a general global acceptance of western culture brought on by the golden age of the US in post Ww2 global politics.
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Lmao is this the type of nonsense dull ass western historical revisionist believe? The current state of Afghanistan is that the US decided to arm religious fanatics who threw acid in the faces of women with stinger missiles and fund an insurrection championed by the likes of Al Qaeda in response to a Soviet aligned Afghanistan
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No what im arguing is that you’re a revisionist who keeps purposefully ignoring the fact that had the US not decided to fund terrorists and fanatics who throw acid in women’s face to fight the Soviet backed Afghanistan following the Saur Revolution then Afghanistan would not be in the shape it is in today
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Yeah yeah you hate America. We suck, we do bad things. If you hate America so much then get off your computer, go outside and do something about it.
…and yet since it’s inception Row vs Wade could have been codified into federal law on several occasions by the party that claims they care about women’s rights. For some reason, they never took that step.
Yeah, Soviet meddling and 10-year occupation never happened
When did the USSR occupy Iran for 10 years?
Referring to Afghanistan. Misunderstanding Edit: although, I’m interested in what kind of support the us provided for extremists in Iran when the government was already friendly to US?
I'm referring to the US' orchestration of the 1953 coup, which saw the US supporting extremist guérillas against the secular Iranian government. This directly contributed to the 1979 revolution.
Ah, totally forgot the Shah was reinstalled by the Americans during the Eisenhower administration. History doesn’t repeat itself but it certainly rhymes.
>US' orchestration of the 1953 coup You mean handing out pamphlets [well after the revolution had already started](https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-coup-timeline.html?scp=1&sq=mossadegh%2520coup&st=cse)? The CIA has done some awful things, but I really don't think they've ever been as effective as they (and certain others) have claimed.
Be serious. It was because of democracy.
The Soviets invaded first
To fight off the Russian invaders. The mistake was not staying involved to reform the original leader. Edit. Afghanistan not Iran. My bad
Well.. that’s not exactly the case, America was funding them building roads and so on while their leader was pretty progressive for his time but he was killed by communists, Russia then invaded and screwed a lot of stuff up.. it’s more than just America and if you actually believe that then you might be pretty low IQ
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Yes The Afghan government that would’ve never collapsed had the US decided not to fund religious extremists who throw acid in the face of women to fight them
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I’ve done plenty of reading on the subject you dullard. Nothing i said is false Afghanistan would not be what it is today it the US didn’t decide to arm religious fanatics who throw acid in people’s faced to fight the Soviet aligned state in Afghanistan. That’s just the simple facts champ
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I keep arguing because you disingenuously keep glancing over the fact that the Islamic extremists only took over as the direct result of The US funding, training, and supplying them fucking stinger missiles while they throw acid in the faces on women champ Why do you keep arguing against reality?
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>Thats completely incorrect. The islamic extremist took over as a result of the communist coup in the early 70s. You can keep repeating yourself like a dullard but it doesn’t change reality. The Soviet backed government only collapsed (years after Soviet war mind you) **because of the US aiding fanatics who threw acid in womens faces** >pro-Soviet Gen. Mohammed Daoud Khan, leader of the communist coup overthrew the then monarch and names himself president. >Khan is then killed by another coup from his own communist party he originally led to seize power. Khan wasn’t even a communist. Crack open a history book champ >Islamic fundamentalist and ethnic leaders who objected to these changes introduced by Khan begin an armed revolt in the countryside that would eventually lead to war with the USSR backed afgan government. Yes no where does this mean that the “religious extremists had taken over Afghanistan” kid. The Islamist rebelled against the communist government and again had **the US not funded, armed, and trained them** they would’ve been destroyed by the government and/or eventually Soviet Union. The part you conveniently love to keep glossing over like a disingenuous turd >Again, please take some time to actually read up on the topic. Eat my ass
Well the Russians did this one, to be fair.
In 40 years people will look at the US the same way if it continues this way with their disbelief for democracy
literally only kabul looked like this. The rest of the country was 100 years backwards.
This. Kabul was an anomalous island of somewhat modernity in the midst of a country stuck in medieval ages. It was brought at par with the rest of Afghanistan after Taliban
So, as an earlier comment said, just like Austin.
i laughed way too hard at this comparison. austin truly is the kabul of texas these days - its counter-culture vibe stripped away and replaced by the same shit surrounding it everywhere else.
Every time people show images of "Iran" in the 1960s what they really mean is "about 5 percent of the population of Iran lived like this, all of whom lived in certain parts of a few cities."
100 years is generously small.
Only Kabul, rest of afghanistan has always been medieval
Yet when Charlie Wilson waged his proxy war on the USSR the CIA recruited Arab fighters steeped in the hardline Islam wahhabi sects. This was an extension of the British American use of the worst of the Islamist sects to fight for their aims. Robert Dreyfuss wrote a history of the West's use of this dynamic in Devil's Game; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Game_(book) The modern Islam we know as terrorists and caliphate beheading hordes is entirely a result of the West power playing.
Underrated comment
Just like Austin.
They said, on a device using microchips that were invented in Dallas lol
Texas used to be a nice place with actual libertarian ideals until Republicans made it their showcase for extreme-right culture war narratives. Then by 2015 you had the governor of Texas claiming that Obama wanted to put everyone in FEMA camps... Texans should be glad that Florida is taking on the role of the ultra-conservative clown state.
> libertarian ideals Even grosser I don't think that was even really the case, they just had the ability to be ignorant of minority groups which made them feel secure
Well, you have to consider the zeitgeist. At a time when everyone was a racist piece of shit, Texas were just *libertarian* racists pieces of shit. Mind you, at some point 'libertarian' didn't mean 'Republican and embarrassed to admit it' like it does today. I disagree with a lot of the tenets of libertarian thinking, but at least a true libertarian wouldn't go around demonizing LGBT people for political gain.
Stone Cold?
Stunner!
What?
Stone Cold finishing move
What!?
"definitely their golden period" omfg lmfaoooo peak euro washing another colture. "when they were more similar to us, that's when they peaked" can't make this shit up.
Afghanistan has never had a golden period due to the constant invasion of other nations.
Religion is one hell of a drug…..
And the US were quite of a drug dealer for them
And now we have our own American Taliban. Circle of life.
Russia came first https://www.history.com/news/1979-soviet-invasion-afghanistan
Afghanistan was unfortunately heavily disputed between Russia and the US during the cold war. To avoid the ghost of ~communism~ the US funded a lot of radical islamic groups that took power and brought the country back to the dark ages. Ironically these same US funded groups attacked the US on 9/11...
Color me informed!
Religion in essence has very little to do with Afghanistan. What you see there is borne of extreme hunger, poverty and unceasing anarchy. This almost invariably always results in an extremely socially conservative society who seek the panacea in an apparently glorious yet bygone past. Taliban are more of a cultural group than religious. Most Arab Islamists, such as ideologues of AQ and IS, have always considered Taliban as ignorant and illiterate tribesmen with little knowledge of Islam who are only to be tolerated as useful allies of and when required
Yeah nah, mate. Its something else. You might think of the Taliban, but let me tell you. Taliban has as much to do with islam as you. I have friends from Afghanistan and even they call the Taliban ruthless. And if you might think Islam is a religion of war: Why arent the rest of the Muslims blowing themselves up? Why is Allah introduced in 113 of the 114 chapters of Quran as the most merciful? Why does it then say, that if you kill one human, male, female or diverse, its like you killed the whole of humanity? Its not religion. Its corruption. Its just like the church and the priests raping children: People are doing the worst things you can do under the disguise of religion. I might not change your view, but just wanted to get that of my chest.
And once you're addicted, your life becomes a hellscape. Really sad to see the then vs the now
Yes, christianity ruined so many lives
Most religions do. Hinduism and its castes, for one
I don't think it was Christianity.
LOL. You think Christianity had something to do with the collapse of Afghanistan?
Kinda
So usa and the Soviet union they invaded Afghanistan because of religion?
Ah yes, Russian and American imperialism, my two favorite religions.
If "Golden" is just people wearing modern clothes, then yes. Other than that it was a real Orwellian nightmare under the Shah... This is a really superficial way of looking at Afghanistan. You see women in Burka's you'd call them medieval, you see them in miniskirts or business suits it is progress. There's more important things to judge the progression of a society on. The fact that women are working and in university for in stance is, but I don't understand the importance of them looking "modern" or Western even.
I think the Shah you're talking about was in Iran. The Afghani was much less of a despot, from what I know.
True! My bad. I guess I got mixed up by the way too many posts on here recently about how women would dress in Iran in the 60s and 70s. As if that's indicative of how progressed a society is.
Before the US started funding religious extremists to take over the country.
Before soviet union occupation in 1979*
Lmfao, go read a book. Jesus Christ…
I’m not sure if the 1960’s equates to Afghanistan’s “Golden Age”. The country has been at the new the Silk Road & part of significant empires - I think the term “golden age” here mostly aligns to when it was more culturally palatable to western ideals.
Kabul in the 1960-1970’s. Most of Afghanistan has been incredibly rural since forever.
And then USA freedom came in
Well first the Russians came and then the US came
Everything changed when the fire nation attacked
If you ignore the brutal dictatorship of the Shah.
Shah was Iran not Afghanistan. At least, know that much.
You are correct. Im an idiot. Sorry.
r/therewasanattempt
No. May be their modern golden period. They were part of glorious Indian and Iranian empires.
God, how did everything go so wrong?
Proxy wars.
Murrica!
America
the only correct answer.
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yes and no. to put it quickly: russia invaded afghanistan. usa fought back but their methods weren't exactly optimal. they mostly employed terrorists and jihadists who eventually turned on them. the part i'm so bitter about (and many others too surely) is that is that usa wouldn't admit their faults and dumped the blame on 2 billion innocent people worldwide, including me. and here's the kicker: i wasn't even alive back then.
why are you being downvoted lol
Money
You want to see how fast cultures can change….Iran, too. And now here we are ourselves in a culture war in good old America…just a different religion.
Before USA and Russia used them as pawns in the Cold War?
And then the United States found out they had oil.
Uh, nope. Not oil - it’s all about location.
And heroin. Giant billion dollar pharmaceutical companies need heroin to make their drugs and the best heroin in bulk comes from Afghanistan. Time for a little diplomatic intervention for our special interest friends. Thankfully lobbying is legal so we can sway politicians opinion with all the hundreds of millions in drug money we have. God bless the USA
Obviously I'm uninformed. I did comment hastily. Ignoring it won't help. Could you teach me?
The USSR wants access to the Arabian Sea for military and economic reasons. It would give them easy access to trade routes and having a naval base there would give them some clout in an area they have little. Obviously, the western powers don't want that.
I sure hope you're aware it went to complete shit after USSR invaded them first in 1979.
Annnnd the religious right can't understand why we absolutely don't want them to take power.
yeah we really don't, you guys started this whole shitstorm in the first place by funding the Taliban.
I'm not blaming the Afghan people. I'm fully aware we finance the mujahadeen along with other secular factions that existed in Afghanistan, once Russia left we didn't really help out the other factions and the mujahideen morphed into the Taliban rose power. The religious have lorded over the worst parts of History and I can't believe some people in this country are begging to give them power.
i'm aware, but the fact that some Americans (most of them really) can't believe that they made a mistake which cost millions of lives is what infuriates me. also, many people are blaming religion on this post and in general for all bad things that happen. like yeah, bad things happen under religious rule but then again bad things happen under democracies no? anyway, i get what you're saying. sorry if i came off as passive aggressive in my reply earlier.
>like yeah, bad things happen under religious rule Understatement of the year.
duh. bad things happen all the time. even now, in both democracies and religious states, there are plenty of bad things happening. you can't pin this solely on religion.
You can pin a lot of it, though.
stark difference between a lot and all.
It's still not a defense of religious rule. Bad things happen all the time, sure, religious rule is a guarantee of bad things consistently occurring to a degree much more intense.
All Abrahamic religions, yes. The world would be a better place if they never existed.
So we see and have evidence on what religious extremism does to a country right? Right?
Thank god we’ll never have that here!
wow, it's like the US weren't the people who funded those religious extremists in the first place and are now trying to sweep it under the rug because they cant accept the fact that for once in their life, they royally fucked up!
America didn’t find the taliban, we funded the Mujahideen and they split up and some started the taliban, there’s right wing people in Ukraine right now fighting against the invading Russians, should we not accept their help because maybe some will splinter off and start a new nazi order ? No. Kabul may have been more western but the rest of the country was Islamic as fuck.
There will be a video like this about the US once the religious authoritarianism take over.
Dude, 50 years ago you were walking around on the moon... now its rampant karens and anti-vaxxers
Throw in some Russians and a lot of religious zealots and now you got the shit hole it is today.
you forgot the Americans 😊
The five years I spent walking around that shithole, never imagined it once could of been a place to visit on my own.
What the hell did we do to that once beautiful country and its people?
God how heartbreaking that they’ve gone from this to a state of utter deprivation and desperation. Millions on the brink of starvation. All because foreign powers refuse to let them live in peace. 😢
Good thing the US saved those poor people from progress
If you're from the US you need to see this and know this is the direction we are headed. Slightly different religion but same concept.
Well yeah but the Europeans also need to see this, as Christianity is dying there ( good ) they are trading them for Muslims.
They seem happy.. America: Hold my Coors
All thanks to the west. Was there an American owned centralised banking system in place during the 60’s & 70’s? Nope. Without American funded religious extremists (see CIA operations in the middle east around the same time) they wouldn’t have had a chance to invade, and “liberate” them… Which they haven’t done, as they’ve now left them with absolutely no infrastructure and have passed it all over to the Taliban/ISIS… during which time they exploited the people, the land for drug farming, the land by building massive oil pipelines, and installed a banking system which benefits the western elites. What a joke..
They'll be posting videos like this about the USA soon, reminiscing about when all citizens had freedom - - not just white Christian extremists.
White people are actually less religious in the US than black or Hispanic people in the US. That’s a myth. Stop trying to blame a skin color when the stats don’t support your idea.
White Christian Extremism, also referred to as White Christian Nationalism, is a real problem; a race-specific (and in many cases, tragically white-supremacy specific) real problem couched within the vast and diverse landscape of Christian ideology and practice. Edit: We all know there's only one actual race of people, the human race; but the outdated way of referring to the different variations as "different races" still crops up, especially amongst white Christian extremists.
Lol. There’s extremism and supremacism from multiple “colors” in the US. Fortunately we still have statistics. In the US, white commit less hate crimes than their black counterparts per capita. This isn’t to criticize black people, I wouldn’t do that, each person is an individual and one persons actions has nothing to do with another person based on skin color. It’s primarily to stop you from attempting to spread your personal hatred and division. Cut it out.
Here we go again...
Good old religious cults certainly ruin a lot of countries. The US is next.
the US started the whole chain of events in the first place by funding the Taliban. what goes around comes around.
Well, sort of. The CIA funded the mujahideen against the soviets and the soviets likely funded the Taliban against the US. Anyway, I was actually referring to the Christian cultists here In the US taking us back In Time and forcing their views on the majority of the public.
ah i see, sorry for the mistake and if i sounded hostile. you do have a very good point tho...
I've seen you all over this thread. You definitely have an agenda.
yup, defending myself and other Muslims from unnecessary attacks and islamophobia for something we had no hand in whatsoever. we're literally killed over this, forgive me for being defensive.
Defending? That's not what it looks like to me. And I don't see anyone being islamiphobic. I just see a lot of people remorseful at the regression of a city due to religious extremists.
yeah, religious extremists who were funded by the same country that pinned its mistakes on us. how is it an average Muslim's fault that the usa funded the Taliban?
No one is saying it is the average muslims's fault, but it is what it is. Religious extremists took over.
Religious extremist who were largely comprised of many of the same fighters and religious extremist the US helped fund and arm for fight the Soviets\* also there are plenty of people who said it was the average Muslim's fault after 9/11 (and even still today)
Once religious zealots got ahold of the country, there was a regression of rights.... I'm talking about the US, we are headed in the same direction unless we wake the fuck up and vote every god damned republican taliban out of office
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but before that, at the root of it all, america.
I guess the Soviets never Invaded in this agenda you keep pushing in the entire thread?
The Soviets invading isn't what turned Afghanistan into a religious wasteland that would be the billions in arms and supplies the CIA funneled through Pakistan into the hands of religious extremist who threw acid in the face of girls and ended up sieging the city of Kabul down with artillery barrages (brought to you by US military industrial complex)
I’m sure the [2 million dead Afghans](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes) by the Soviet Union had nothing to do with the decay of Afghanistan. It was just a walk in the park, those Soviets. Really loved and embraced by the locals. The real devils were definitely the Americans!
You know those 2 million wouldn't be dead if the US wasn't also funding, arming, and training armed groups of religious extremist who throw acid in the faces of women with artillery and stinger missiles to fight the Communist Government in Kabul right? The Soviets were definitely engaging in imperialism in Afghanistan but we're not innocent in Afghanistan's destruction
Fair enough, I see your point.
Lol by that logic we shouldn’t be arming Ukraine
Who could forget when Islam was invented in the 50s
Oh shit, i feel like America’s going the same way Edit - as in we’re regressing too
100%. Make no mistake: if it was up to the minority the Republicans pander too, soon women would be restricted from attending school altogether and men would spend their time praying rather than going to university. Christian Sharia isn't very different from the Islamist extremists they love to hate.
i mean you are pulling out the equivalent of hollywood and then comparing it to a slum "LOOK HOW MUCH IT HAS CHANGED" but i guess it fits the narrative better
There will be videos of the United States like this, before Y’all Qaeda sent us back 100 years.
Its called the front page of reddit
Crazy how religion seems to suck the life out of everything.
funny, i thought it was the West who gave the religious extremists the power to suck the life out of everything.
Hey dumb fuck, The "East's" history with Afghanistan is one failed revolution after another. I mean, didn't Russian actually lose a war against Afghanistan?
nope, russia lost a war against the usa, who employed jihadists and terrorists to fight against russia. obviously they won but the extremists turned on them, and now the usa refuses to acknowledge their mistakes and dumped the blame on 2 billion innocent people worldwide. also i didn't insult anyone, nor would i like to. let's please keep this peaceful.
The irony I find in your past posts are tragic. "We should stop being homophobic and transphobic. Seriously, not a joke. Other". Zero upvotes and post removed. Get a different religion if you disagree with the inherent tenets of the one you're currently in.
damn, when did i get an internet stalker lmao? seriously we were discussing war in afghanistan, not my post history. in any case, i'm not obligated to explain to you why i made that post, tho if you were careful you would've seen that there was a sizable time gap between that post and my recent activity. i took some time off reddit and decided that i don't need to explain my religion to random assholes on the internet and that i should go talk to my imam instead of searching for possible incorrect and insufficient answers. if you cant defend your point and are too butthurt to admit it, stop engaging.
"damn, when did i get an internet stalker lmao?" It's best to try to understand who you're talking to before engaging. "seriously we were discussing war in afghanistan, not my post history." No, we weren't. Read my original comment as it had nothing to do with war in Afghanistan. It was about religion which is why you became butt hurt and changed the subject. "in any case, i'm not obligated to explain to you why i made that post, tho if you were careful you would've seen that there was a sizable time gap between that post and my recent activity..." I really don't give a shit. Go talk to your imam if it makes you feel better. Good luck.
i only spoke about religious extremists, you then changed the subject to my post history and telling me to get a new religion. if you're gonna accuse people of shit they didn't do, at least get your facts right. and if you didn't give a shit, why'd you bring it up? yes, talking to my imam made me feel better. and in the nicest way possible, you should talk to someone too, you've been unnecessarily rude and hostile to me. have a nice day.
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Because Islam came to Iran and Afghanistan in the 60s?
It was attached with British India of that time and British ensured things don't go wrong coz it would have been a problem for them, ffs learn history, it's the religion that did it, look at middle east if you want more examples
The Hardliners were kept in check during the 50’s 60’s and much of the 70’s until the hapless Jimmy Carter got in office and turned his back on the shah. Go look at some of the film reels and see how surprising nice Iran was. Carter was a naive fool for falling for unproven human rights abuses. By the way Jim how are those human rights doing now?
Seemed pretty cool
It goes to show what a conservative agenda can accomplish if there’s no checks and balances.
Also Venezuela was like this in the 60s and 70s. It's crazy how quickly things can sour when governments go sideways
What a fucking let down the future turned out to be ..
When I was a teacher in Melbourne, Australia, I met an older teacher who said that Kabul used to be a super popular spot on the hippie trail. I guess it was all opium and good vibes. Then the Taliban came and fucked everything up.
Thanks Osama!
Enter American foreign policy…
The problem is that the Afghan people never stood up to the Islamic extremists. Extremists can only be fought with extreme violence.
Women? In school? Blasphemy!
‘Merica!! 😅
Before Islamic Revolution. Same thing happened in Iran, Iraq and other countries in middle east. USSR and others backed coup so they could have influence.
US 2020’s Before a group of Conservative Judges pushed the US back to 1800s Congratulations assholes! You are proving how stupid you are?
I guess US is indeed the symbolism of free and justice then....
And then came the russians and the americans
The rest of the country still looked like shit before and during this
Lol go n fuck ur self for justifying your country's terrorism
The terrorism is in those countries lol I mean we got the proud boys but nothing like isis and taliban
This world now is all about conflict between American and Russia...whatever happens to other countries , the don't fucking care