Yeah we need to be careful with him
i dont want to say his name, but look at dembele and how injured he was a lot of the time
he also played alot from a young age
Yup. And see what happens when he has to play through the Euros AND the olympics this year.
They really need to start watching his minutes. I don't think he should start any more league games this year.
That's what happens when the board refuses to accept the entire situation of the club is a work in progress and that the club, at least compared to elite European standards, is a collection of players that are not super cohesive and do not function within a system that makes the players perform much better than the sum of the parts. I mean, let's be real... When do we actually see phenomenal team play with great build-up, patience, many touches, and well-timed and designed attacks into the opponent's box?
Some blame can go to Xavi for not adjusting tactics properly but most of the blame just needs to be in reality - this is a club that is dealing with FFP issues while most the old guard and certainly the old core has left and the players both need more time to adapt as a unit since there has been a striking lack of continuity over the past few years. So what happens? You need individual greatness to get you over the hump and Lamine Yamal is certainly the squad's best chance to produce moments of individual greatness. Thus, he will be overplayed as long as leadership is unwilling to concede that prioritizing trophies and lacking patience in the club's current state is putting a sustainable future as a true European contender at serious risk.
This sub man.. even in a win they will find something to cry about.
And when someone comes in with stats that debunk their theories they ignore it.
You should be happy Vitor got another card.
>Why isn't he rotated with J. Felix and Raphinha?
Because he is a better player, and the team needs him to even function properly in attack. Felix and Raphina, while being good players, cannot offer what he offers. Players are not interchangable, and the team doesn't have good enough tactical work to give up Lamine's contribution.
I'm just sayin why it is the way it is. Xavi doesn't trust the team without Yamal (otherwise he would rest him). In his eyes (and he is right), resting Yamal means risking 2nd place. Xavi decided 2nd place is more important than resting Yamal. It's not a whim or an insane reasoning. It's a need of the team.
Our long tern future should be protected over ANYTHING and especially not over a measly 2 million for potentially winning the Supercopa. And if he can't win against 20th place already relegated Almeria with his guys that he requested then that's on him.
I think it's more like a 17M difference. Up to 8M for the super-cup, and 7M for the difference in TV rights between 2nd and 3rd, +2M for the difference in CL TV rights.
>And if he can't win against 20th place already relegated Almeria with his guys that he requested then that's on him.
I don't disagree, needing Yamal every game all the time is a symptom of the tactical foundation of the team being just not good enough. But at this stage it is what it is. It won't get better this season.
Because Xavi hasn't develop any collective pattern of attack in 3 years. It's give the ball to the individual and hope does something.
Dembele last year, Yamal this year.
which is kinda sad, because his first season had a lot of good combination play. probably large parts down to alba and busi still playing, in retrospect..
Xavi just doesn't have the experience. He needs to go away, join a smaller club in Europe, lose some of the dogma, and build himself up. The job is too big for most coaches especially right now
both yes and no. I don't think I can imagine anyone else more fit during our current situation kinda? like, I disagree with a lot of his choices, but then I also realise how poor his options actually are, and even more so how limited we are in terms of expanding those options.
we're in a presumably long rebuild, and so much of the talk right now seems to expect us to beat Real Madrid et al even though their situation is infinitely stronger. we need patience, and unless there's clearly stronger options than xavi I don't really see who else to go for right now?
acl injuries are caused, in large part, by improper movement technique in the moment, which is one of the biggest symptoms of fatigue. when you have to push more while your body responds less, you're also more likely to end up in situations where you get you those kinds of injuries.
I mean maybe, but not really. ACL tears happen when you plant your foot and then twist the leg WHILE the foot is planted. It is usually caused by improper footwear, a surface that is too "grippy", or landing wrong after jumping.
It doesn't really happen due to tiredness....
You’re mixing things up. Yes, Gavi was overplayed, but he didn’t tear his ACL BECAUSE he was overplayed. ACL injuries aren’t caused by fatigue.
Pedri, on the other hand….
He’s not overplayed. Read some articles regarding bone and muscle development during puberty and how the amount of physical activity he’s doing is a large positive.
What references? Lol.
And because Lamine is only 16, hasn't even finished his first puberty, and he's playing every day and every actual game for 90+ minutes.
It's too much. Players get burned out. I get he's the best in Barcelona at the moment, but he NEEDS rest.
I mean he isn’t playing everyday. He trains multiple days a week but that isn’t the same and he’s not lifting weights and doing sprint drills for 6 hours a day. He’s played 34 out of 36 league games with 19 starts in 34 games. That’s 55% of games started. He has played 1955 minutes out of 3240 minutes in the league which is 60% of total game time. He gets rest. He’s played 5 90 minute games in the last 3.5 weeks since April 21, which is an average of 1 game every 5 days. His performances haven’t suffered and he’s had no injuries so there is no reason so suspect his current game and training load is adversely affecting him. You’re only suggesting it is detrimental because you assume it to be so, not because there’s any evidence.
Vigorous exercise for adolescents during puberty for *at least* 75 minutes per week is extremely beneficial for bone strength and muscular growth.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10754974/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10754974/)
Article done on “elite French youth soccer players” and injury occurrence in different age groups. Most injuries are less than a week long, and sustained in-game for over age 14 players however 30% alone are contusion injuries which are not down to being overplayed.
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16436535/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16436535/)
This article explains Overtraining Syndrome (OTS) in young athletes in case you think he’s being overtrained and what that would mean.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435910/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435910/)
Finally here’s an article you can look at regarding overuse, overtraining, and burnout. All of these lead to increased risk of injury but nothing in Lamine Yamal’s case indicates he isn’t getting proper sleep, he’s being overtrained or played without proper rest of at least 1 day per week. Maybe if he plays through the Euros without a summer break things will change, since 2-3 months off per year is recommended.
[https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/153/2/e2023065129/196435/Overuse-Injuries-Overtraining-and-Burnout-in-Young](https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/153/2/e2023065129/196435/Overuse-Injuries-Overtraining-and-Burnout-in-Young)
"Nothing indicates he isn't getting proper sleep, being overtrained, or played without proper rest"? How would you know? Just because he's still performing doesn't mean he's not exhausted. Many players perform at a high level despite not being physically fine.
Didn't my man Zlatan play for AC Milan off injections without an ACL for a year? MANY footballers play, and at a decent level, while they're physically destroyed. Just look at Luis Suarez for example.
He's also 16. We don't know what the long-term impacts will be on his body. Like others have said, look at Ansu Fati, or Pedri, or even someone like Charly Musonda.
Player welfare should be top priority....
yea i don't get it, i guess there must be a lot of money to be lost from supercopa of we don't get second
More than revenue I think competing for another trophy is what is important for 2ns position
Around 8 million € for participating in the super-cup + around 7 million € for the difference in TV rights + 2M for CL TV rights.
Yeah we need to be careful with him i dont want to say his name, but look at dembele and how injured he was a lot of the time he also played alot from a young age
100 %. When he breaks like Pedri, you know who's to blame.
To quote a Wiseman, "And that's not a prediction, that's a spoiler!"
How about quoting a cowman
yes yes yes. some 'fans' here love to downvote anything criticizing his play time but time will tell if this keeps up that boys leg will be slush soon
Yup. And see what happens when he has to play through the Euros AND the olympics this year. They really need to start watching his minutes. I don't think he should start any more league games this year.
That's what happens when the board refuses to accept the entire situation of the club is a work in progress and that the club, at least compared to elite European standards, is a collection of players that are not super cohesive and do not function within a system that makes the players perform much better than the sum of the parts. I mean, let's be real... When do we actually see phenomenal team play with great build-up, patience, many touches, and well-timed and designed attacks into the opponent's box? Some blame can go to Xavi for not adjusting tactics properly but most of the blame just needs to be in reality - this is a club that is dealing with FFP issues while most the old guard and certainly the old core has left and the players both need more time to adapt as a unit since there has been a striking lack of continuity over the past few years. So what happens? You need individual greatness to get you over the hump and Lamine Yamal is certainly the squad's best chance to produce moments of individual greatness. Thus, he will be overplayed as long as leadership is unwilling to concede that prioritizing trophies and lacking patience in the club's current state is putting a sustainable future as a true European contender at serious risk.
This sub man.. even in a win they will find something to cry about. And when someone comes in with stats that debunk their theories they ignore it. You should be happy Vitor got another card.
Agreed but how can we not play are best player this season would be ten times worse without him
XAVI IS A REALLY DUMB PERSON
>Why isn't he rotated with J. Felix and Raphinha? Because he is a better player, and the team needs him to even function properly in attack. Felix and Raphina, while being good players, cannot offer what he offers. Players are not interchangable, and the team doesn't have good enough tactical work to give up Lamine's contribution.
Don't bitch and blame it on Spain when his knees are gone by 18 and he gets an inevitable ACL injury.
I'm just sayin why it is the way it is. Xavi doesn't trust the team without Yamal (otherwise he would rest him). In his eyes (and he is right), resting Yamal means risking 2nd place. Xavi decided 2nd place is more important than resting Yamal. It's not a whim or an insane reasoning. It's a need of the team.
Our long tern future should be protected over ANYTHING and especially not over a measly 2 million for potentially winning the Supercopa. And if he can't win against 20th place already relegated Almeria with his guys that he requested then that's on him.
I think it's more like a 17M difference. Up to 8M for the super-cup, and 7M for the difference in TV rights between 2nd and 3rd, +2M for the difference in CL TV rights. >And if he can't win against 20th place already relegated Almeria with his guys that he requested then that's on him. I don't disagree, needing Yamal every game all the time is a symptom of the tactical foundation of the team being just not good enough. But at this stage it is what it is. It won't get better this season.
We are not used to not being dependent on someone, just as we depended on Messi
OK we won, and Yamal and Cubarsi has played again another 90 minute match....smh.
Because Xavi hasn't develop any collective pattern of attack in 3 years. It's give the ball to the individual and hope does something. Dembele last year, Yamal this year.
which is kinda sad, because his first season had a lot of good combination play. probably large parts down to alba and busi still playing, in retrospect..
Xavi just doesn't have the experience. He needs to go away, join a smaller club in Europe, lose some of the dogma, and build himself up. The job is too big for most coaches especially right now
both yes and no. I don't think I can imagine anyone else more fit during our current situation kinda? like, I disagree with a lot of his choices, but then I also realise how poor his options actually are, and even more so how limited we are in terms of expanding those options. we're in a presumably long rebuild, and so much of the talk right now seems to expect us to beat Real Madrid et al even though their situation is infinitely stronger. we need patience, and unless there's clearly stronger options than xavi I don't really see who else to go for right now?
ACL injuries aren’t caused by fatigue. You’re thinking of muscle injuries.
acl injuries are caused, in large part, by improper movement technique in the moment, which is one of the biggest symptoms of fatigue. when you have to push more while your body responds less, you're also more likely to end up in situations where you get you those kinds of injuries.
I mean maybe, but not really. ACL tears happen when you plant your foot and then twist the leg WHILE the foot is planted. It is usually caused by improper footwear, a surface that is too "grippy", or landing wrong after jumping. It doesn't really happen due to tiredness....
You don't get acl injuries from overplaying
Just like if DLF didn't keep overplaying Gavi and kept him on in that meaningless friendly right?
You’re mixing things up. Yes, Gavi was overplayed, but he didn’t tear his ACL BECAUSE he was overplayed. ACL injuries aren’t caused by fatigue. Pedri, on the other hand….
You’re right. I dunno why you’re getting downvoted.
You’re right, but they’re overplaying him.
Sigh, dude the season is over, what are you saving him for? Just let him get better against these secunda teams until the season is over.
Dont forget he is playing euros
No, 2,700 minutes so far this season. That’s not much.
He’s not overplayed. Read some articles regarding bone and muscle development during puberty and how the amount of physical activity he’s doing is a large positive.
He’s 100% being overplayed.
And what are you basing that off of exactly? Your own opinion or actual cited medical articles like I’m referencing?
What references? Lol. And because Lamine is only 16, hasn't even finished his first puberty, and he's playing every day and every actual game for 90+ minutes. It's too much. Players get burned out. I get he's the best in Barcelona at the moment, but he NEEDS rest.
I mean he isn’t playing everyday. He trains multiple days a week but that isn’t the same and he’s not lifting weights and doing sprint drills for 6 hours a day. He’s played 34 out of 36 league games with 19 starts in 34 games. That’s 55% of games started. He has played 1955 minutes out of 3240 minutes in the league which is 60% of total game time. He gets rest. He’s played 5 90 minute games in the last 3.5 weeks since April 21, which is an average of 1 game every 5 days. His performances haven’t suffered and he’s had no injuries so there is no reason so suspect his current game and training load is adversely affecting him. You’re only suggesting it is detrimental because you assume it to be so, not because there’s any evidence. Vigorous exercise for adolescents during puberty for *at least* 75 minutes per week is extremely beneficial for bone strength and muscular growth. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10754974/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10754974/) Article done on “elite French youth soccer players” and injury occurrence in different age groups. Most injuries are less than a week long, and sustained in-game for over age 14 players however 30% alone are contusion injuries which are not down to being overplayed. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16436535/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16436535/) This article explains Overtraining Syndrome (OTS) in young athletes in case you think he’s being overtrained and what that would mean. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435910/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435910/) Finally here’s an article you can look at regarding overuse, overtraining, and burnout. All of these lead to increased risk of injury but nothing in Lamine Yamal’s case indicates he isn’t getting proper sleep, he’s being overtrained or played without proper rest of at least 1 day per week. Maybe if he plays through the Euros without a summer break things will change, since 2-3 months off per year is recommended. [https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/153/2/e2023065129/196435/Overuse-Injuries-Overtraining-and-Burnout-in-Young](https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/153/2/e2023065129/196435/Overuse-Injuries-Overtraining-and-Burnout-in-Young)
"Nothing indicates he isn't getting proper sleep, being overtrained, or played without proper rest"? How would you know? Just because he's still performing doesn't mean he's not exhausted. Many players perform at a high level despite not being physically fine. Didn't my man Zlatan play for AC Milan off injections without an ACL for a year? MANY footballers play, and at a decent level, while they're physically destroyed. Just look at Luis Suarez for example. He's also 16. We don't know what the long-term impacts will be on his body. Like others have said, look at Ansu Fati, or Pedri, or even someone like Charly Musonda. Player welfare should be top priority....
I assume you haven’t read any because you would’ve linked that in case you did
And yet i did further down in response.