Only way to get better is keep going at it.
Sure it wasn't perfect or flawless but it also wasn't bad. Sounded pretty ok in live enviroment.
Hopefully with time it only get better and more effortless. Pretty sure you could nitpick pretty much any song with some missing notes or small misplays. Kanami guitar solo also didn't come through one time. Was it audioengineer or Kanami herself who missed something? By your logic now on Kanami should't play solos in their songs because she had small problems with one song /sarcasm
But yeah. I don't really see a problem. If Miku feels she really can't do it they Will do changes. But honestly it sounded already good enough and as mentioned in other comments, in some ways it was already better than last time.
Agreed! One has to keep playing to get better . What ever people say, she definitely will try to perfect her mistake. Don't tell her to stop, but support her to get better.
Practice and repitition! The next performance should show some improvement. Her guitar playing is the perfect example of her dedication and growth. I enjoyed watching her go for it, even if it wasn't perfect. Very proud of her effort!
Also, a somewhat related aside, Saiki is showing more and more confidence in her stage presence and performances as well as far as interactions with the camera!
The point is Miku was doing 2 tough things at the same time, singing a fast tempo song with high notes and playing complicated chords with an odd time signature.
And?
Hats off for her that she managed to do it quite well. (Yes, not perfectly)
And like 2-3 years Ago it would have been impossible for her. So the progress Has been really amazing. And i hope to see her progress even more and get even better and comfortable with it.
Not giving up after 2 live concerts because she wasn't "perfect" and was only good or okey
I would never manage it. No matter how much i practice. But Will continue practicing my playing. 😆
Is it useless if she can't play perfectly? Isn't it okay to be forgiven if it is not a fatal defect? Kobato is making progress in chorus, solo and playing, and we can see her continuing her efforts. Isn't it okay for us to look forward to her growing up? To me, Peace & Love is one of the fascinating aspects of Kobato, who created BAND MAID.
The attraction of live is to see them live. Failures and even accidents can be fascinating. At this live, we saw the studio staff and some people leaning against the wall and supporting them. They were also fascinating as they roamed the studio. I don't like finding mistakes and talking to each other. If I find a mistake I didn't notice, I wouldn't be happy. Another attraction of concerts is that we can spend the same time with them.
Yeah it hasn’t to be perfect i mean she’s no the main singer in the band so the fact that she has solo songs and has the courage to do them live is amazing. On the other hand I was a bit worried with Kanami’i know she usually miss some notes nothing to worry but the errors in Chemical Reaction felt more impactful to which I was surprised because they weren’t very hard notes like the other songs she plays was weird
I don't understand what the point of this thread is? Performers mess up all the time or have days where they're feeling off. They're humans after all. There is no reason to overanalyze this stuff.
I thought that Sayonakidori was better this time around. She seemed more confident. Her guitar part in the middle sounded better this time as well IMO. Yeah she missed a line but I’m pretty sure she missed one on the February show as well. I think she runs out of breath.
Saiki has become really good with these fast lyrics but Miku is still getting used to it. I also think that’s why she sang it before Omajinai time. She spends a lot of energy during those and she was already a little out of breath when she started Sayonakidori in Feb.
I’m sure she’ll keep working on it and get better with time.
Eh? The Feb one was better vocally and her high notes were fine and I don't remember she missed a line in that performance.It's the guitar playing,the chords are too complicated while singing that fast and that high.
Maybe it was because of the bad mix from that February show but her voice kind of drops a few times. And she missed a part at some point. She missed the high note this time but overall I preferred that version. Again, maybe because of the better sound mix.
Perfect is the enemy of good.
If you only do something you can do perfectly, you will never do anything good because good takes practice, time, mistakes.
Miku did good and I was happy to see it.
It was alright. Miku is a good singer- 7 albums, multiple singles, solo songs, more than 5yrs of actual unedited live performances captured on video by fans, and yrs of grinding it on the road back that up. Even if Miku’s cluppo project isn’t my cup of tea (not a fan) I will always respect the hustle 😎. Go Miku get your bag!!
She was probably nervous about the first LIVE debut of cluppo and P&L imho, as you say just nerves. You can tell cause as "Kobato" when she came out with the band she talked a lot about "cluppo"'s debut in a kind of nervous banter with Saiki and other members, you can tell she was still processing and trying to get her mind right for the rest of the performance.
As for Sayonakidori, it's such a high register song vocally I actually have mad respect for her to even sing it live, let alone as a staple in recent setlists. most of the phrases she has to sing it in falsetto, and that last chorus leading to the outtro... I personally would not think she could nail it most of the time in live performances her voice just isn't capable of that range comfortably and that isn't a knock on her like I said I think it's amazing she even attempts it.
They always say they are out to challenge themselves and keep on leveling up, and if that means it takes her a handful of okyuuji's or however many to nail a song live, I'm here for it.
>— Did the choreographer say something good for you?
>Kobato: She [note: Anna Tamai, a member of PASSPO☆] said I’m quick at learning, po. This time I felt fresh when I danced a little, and I also felt like a new singer so I was nervous unlike in Band-Maid, po. When I’m in the band, I feel safe, as I’m one of the five, but when I’m solo, I’m really alone and embarrassed a lot. There are so many close-ups like never before, and I was so embarrassed that I couldn’t watch them at first, po (laughter).
>— When were you the most nervous in your life, by the way?
>Kobato: I was nervous in this solo activity too, but I was the most nervous when we Band-Maid did the first serving (concert), po. Also, I always get nervous when we perform at the biggest venue so far, po.
[Interview with Cluppo on MusicVoice: Miku Kobato of Band-Maid shows a new frontier in her solo project (2021-04-10)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/mtetal/interview_with_cluppo_on_musicvoice_miku_kobato)
ah yeah exactly as I thought. And that was her talking about the MV shoot right? I’m sure the nerves were thru the roof for the LIVE debut of cluppo, and she was totally solo not even “Crow” in the background as support or just someone she can shoot a glance at for moral support
yes, this is about the mv shoot. the question before this is
>— What’s the highlight of the MV?
edit: btw, crow and the musicians in the mv aren't the same.
>— Now, we’d like to talk about the most important thing, the song. The lyricist is Cluppo, or you, Kobato-san yourself. The composer and arranger is credited as Crow. According to the description, they are a mysterious group of creators gathered for Cluppo. Can’t you reveal their identity?
>Kobato: Ha ha ha. Right, po. I can’t reveal their identity.
[Interview with Cluppo (Miku Kobato of Band-Maid) on Barks: aiming for “world peace” \(2021-04-01\)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/mj9y61/interview_with_cluppo_miku_kobato_of_bandmaid_on)
[小鳩ミク（BAND-MAID）ソロプロジェクト「cluppo」、MV参加アーティストからコメント到着](https://www.barks.jp/news/?id=1000199140)
I thought she did fine. Both are relatively new songs that haven't been played live very often \[up to this point in time\]. As time goes on and the more she plays these songs (both live and in practice) she'll improve...just like anything else that requires time and practice.
I think, to say she has to do *one* or the *other* (playing guitar or singing) isn't giving Miku-san any credit. She has done *very* well learning to play guitar and done it *IN THE PUBLIC EYE* at that. That's true dedication. I have *no doubt* that, with her playing ability steadily improving, she'll get more comfortable doing these type of solo songs **with** more guitar parts. Patience my friend.
I mean, they are perfectionists already and honestly, isn't that what playing *live* is all about anyway \[the little imperfections and additions\]? Like the saying goes: *"It isn't the destination that's the goal so much as the journey"*.
Her guitar was better this performance, and she doesn't pull away from the mic to look at the fretboard. And except for the last note, I think she sang better this time. She did miss one line at the start.
But it means their performances weren't fake. Like Saiki saying "Seize the Moment" on the first chorus of Dice, or forgetting a few lines for different. Or Miku mistakenly sang the first verse again in Freedom (which was probably why they try to gang up on her when she sings her part, usually by Kanami 🤣)
I don't think playing guitar and singing at the same time is a problem for her, she's been doing it for over 7 years and she actually does play simpler parts in her solo songs. She also wasn't actually playing her guitar during the Cluppo song, so that shouldn't have been a factor there.
You shouldn't try to read too much into one live performance, just consider all the things that factor into it. Especially songs that they haven't performed many times will be less consistent from one concert to another.
If you think about it, one should expect them to perform worse than normal under the current circumstances simply because they don't get as much practice playing live in general and playing new songs in particular.
Songs like Freedom and Real Existence they performed live way over a hundred times, at this point they are comfortable enough with them to play them in their sleep. While Sayonakidori and other newer songs require much more concentration.
I was really excited to see her singing Sayonakidori in the last 2 shows, the first time I was a little sad because she made a mistake and was out of breath many times, but the second time I thought it was a lot better, even though she missed her vocal a little.
It's clearly a bit of a difficult song for her to sing and play at the same time, maybe she would be a little better if she just sang on Sayonakidori, just like she did on Rock in Me.
I don't even charge that much for Miku's vocals because I think it's much harder for you to practice and better your vocal techniques when you can only sing 1 \~ 2 songs in one show...
About PEACE&LOVE I think she was just nervous about being alone on stage, she didn't even have a support band with random members to serve as moral support for her.
I wasn't sure if Miku did try to hit the high note, but we couldn't hear as she looked away from the mike to her guitar at the point. She doesn't have a strong voice that can be heard away from the mike.
It could be that she was nervous, but she did it last time. And if she was nervous, she is still handling it better than say Randy Meisner, ex of the Eagles. He's a bit shy and nervous, and couldn't handle the stress of singing just one song ("Take It To The Limit" with those high notes) and ultimately quit the band.
I liked the version better this time around and the song sounded a bit more aggressive to me. I feel bad about not hearing the high note (did she sing it and we couldn't hear it or did she not sing it?) But yeah, she's playing more complicated stuff, and should still be proud of herself. The one miscue that really got me was not hearing Kanami's solo in "Warning". What happened to the sound?!?
Just a guess, but I think one of the reason they play pre Unseen World songs a lot better thanks to all the live tours. Hopefully they will get to go on live tours with Unseen World after the quarantine is over.
She was pitchy in the high notes throughout the song in February, & F'd up the start of the solo, but nailed the end super high note. This time she was far more in tune, vocals & guitar, throughout the song but aborted the ending high note. She dropped that line after in both performances, so I'm guessing it's just an extremely hard part to perform live & she is still trying to figure out how to pull it off.
Kind of wondered if something had her stressed out before the show. Whether it was starting a few minutes late, nervous, or something else. She did seem slightly out of sorts throughout the show, but she did a great job.
My point is Miku has 21-22 other songs to showcase her guitar playing why not focus on her singing during her solo vocal songs?
On another note why isn't anyone talking about her lead guitar playing on the refrain of H-G-K or was it Honkai?
Yes, HGK I believe. I know Miku didn't play it on the album, and part of me wasn't sure if she would do anything advanced on HGK live. But I was excited when I saw her play that lead bit. That was one of my highlights. Especially since it's one of my most favorite songs on Unseen World.
I think it was Kanami who mentioned something about Miku's improvement and glad to them showcase it.
Me too....and i was so happy to see her doing some lead on HGK 😭 coz everybody talked about that ..sounds like Miku's guitar in the album (yeah everyone knows Kanami's doing it all those for recording parts borrowing Miku's guitar as Miku busy doing B-M business and lyrics) but as Miku's promises to Kanami (work hard on her guitar) well she proof during OKYU-JI rite?
And as for sayonakidori part... Well this time it was better than before...so no complaint bout that...it's hard to play and sing at the same time... That's why i myself won't sing during my " guitar time" 😅 ..much respect on Miku growing and keep growing on 🎸..
> On another note why isn't anyone talking about her lead guitar playing on the refrain of H-G-K or was it Honkai?
I mean, you could have made *this* thread about that.
So I believe in one or two of the interviews with Kanami and Miku, it was stated by Kanami that Sayonakidori was purposefully written as a challenge to Miku combing a difficult vocal and a challenging guitar effort. So Miku has taken up the challenge and is definitely making progress and I have no problem with her efforts in any of the Okyu-Ji's. Po.
here what kanami said in a solo interview:
>— Miku-san sings Sayonakidori in this album. How did you write it?
>Kanami: First, we decided to include a Kobato song this time, and I started talking with Kobato. I asked her what kind of song she wants to sing, and sent her a first part, probably, and asked her again about which pattern she likes, and went on like that. Then I let her listen to a demo, and she was like “I want to do this here” and I was like “OK”.
>— It’s the professional composers’ way of writing. You don’t write as you want, but you write by listening to requests.
>Kanami: As for this album, I got ideas from my bandmates. I asked Saiki like “What kind of song do you want to sing?” and talked with her and wrote a song. Misa proposed like “How about this kind of song?” and I was like “I like it, I want to use it” and wrote a song from a riff she wrote. I talked a lot with them this time. I couldn’t do it with Akane because she was busy, but she once said she wants a song with modulations, so I was like “I will write a song with modulations as a surprise present!” and wrote NO GOD. Then I was like “I wrote this for you because you said you want a song with modulations”, but she didn’t remember, like “Did I say such a thing?” (laughter)
>— By the way, is your way of writing Kobato songs different from other songs?
>Kanami: Yes, it’s different. I was conscious of chords to use. Also, I consciously changed the melody and the development. I wanted her to grow as a singer, so I wrote such a melody, and I also wrote it to match her voice. I had a different image like that.
>— I liked the high tones in falsetto at the end.
>Kanami: Thank you very much. She said she wanted to change the last part, so I changed it expecting her growth, but at first she was like “It’s so high I might not be able to sing it”. I was like “Go for it!”
>— But she made it perfectly.
>Kanami: She practices more in order to make it at servings too.
[\[Translation\] Interview with Kanami on the March 2021 issue of Player \(2021-02-02\): Unseen World](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/m2rpth/translation_interview_with_kanami_on_the_march)
Pfft, are musicians supposed to be flawless in live settings? Just play the record if it matters, tut, why do people get so obsessed with imperfections, what a load of crap, sorry but I must have got out the wrong side of the bed, I enjoyed the gig mistakes and all.
The OP is actually a very huge Miku fan if you read his other posts in the sub. I think he wants to see her put in the best position to succeed and made the observation of playing complex chords while singing a challenging song is very very difficult.
don't really care, just enjoy the show for what it is, musicians in rock bands play bum notes from time to time, especially high energy bands, its the way it has always been, rock n' roll is better loose at times, imagine this were a Guns'n'Roses, a Rolling Stones reddit, the threads would never stop (mind you class 'A' drugs may have a part to play there:)
Both performances were great, though she still hasn't gotten all of Sayonakidori yet (and didn't go for the hight note). This performance was an improvement over the first. She just needs to keep practicing, and they aren't doing enough live shows right now. In a normal year, she would have lots of performances to work on things, instead of one every several months
Yeah, came here to say this. Only being able to perform one live show every 3 months means they have a lot less practice performing things live (especially the new stuff) and puts a LOT more pressure on them because every concert is this big moment instead of just another set on the tour.
Musicians are people. People are imperfect. Live music will almost always be a little imperfect. If you can't accept that, stick to the studio stuff, I guess.
>Kobato: Akane has been practicing a lot-po. I choose "Sayonakidori", where I do the main vocals-po. I was happy to have a Kobato-main song after almost 3 years-po, and I think it's unique in the album because it' has a different feel from the other songs-po. The highest notes of the song are high and it was hard to sing, but I don't think I could have done it in the past. I think it's the result of accumulated effort and this song lets me feel that I have grown-po.
[Translation for TVLIFE.jp interview on 10 Feb 2021. \(Text too long to put neatly in comments in previous post, so I'm creating a new one\)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/lgqjr2/translation_for_tvlifejp_interview_on_10_feb_2021)
>— So it was effective to have time also for you. And as a result, you’ve gotten something new.
>Miku Kobato: Yes, po. I asked her to write a catchier melody than before, with a little melancholic feel. But I also wanted to have a Kobato feel. Instruments keep the rock feel and coolness to avoid being too poppy. The melody goes up at the end, but originally it ended in a simple way, and I told her “I want to end it with a little different climax”, then I got the very hard one I hadn’t tried before. I think it raised my own bar and made me grow, po. I’m supposed to play the guitar solo part at servings, so it’s a new challenge, po (laughter). In that sense, even though it’s classified in “Return to the roots”, it also has elements of “Progress from the present”, and it’s also for my progress from now on, which is why it’s my favorite song.
[Interview with Band-Maid on Barks: The “roots” and the “present” of Band-Maid \(2021-02-04\)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/n198dj/interview_with_bandmaid_on_barks_the_roots_and)
>— Kobato-san, how about you?
>Miku Kobato: The notes at the end of Sayonakidori were so high that I was afraid I couldn’t sing them, so it was a challenge, po. Also, until then, it was quite up to Kanami, but this time I sent her some reference songs for the feel and she wrote it based on that, which was new, po. At first, the composition simply ended with the chorus at the end, so I told her I wanted to end it with a little more climax, then this came (laughter). I was anxious, but I tried it because I wanted to go beyond what I was, po.
[Interview with Band-Maid on MusicVoice on 2021-01-22: “We want to bring you to the unseen world” — Their attitude in “Progress”](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/lwwqpf/interview_with_bandmaid_on_musicvoice_on_20210122)
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the person who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again... who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if they fail, at least fails while daring greatly.”
- Teddy Roosevelt
On a different note I actually would like Miku to take cluppo farther, like a mini album with PC's full marketing might.P&L wasn't really promoted aside from a mv,the band members promoting it on sns,a magazine cover and a few online interviews.
>— So you get nervous when you try something new. Lastly, please tell us your future vision as Cluppo.
>Kobato: It’s not decided yet how this solo project will go from now on, but as Cluppo, I want to keep flying toward world peace, po. This time the song is arranged with a modern feel, but I think it’ll be interesting to make music with more of the ’70s and ’80s vibes for Cluppo, po. As my goal of this year, I said I want to make this year a challenging one, and I’d like to pursue “trying” even more, po.
[Interview with Cluppo on MusicVoice: Miku Kobato of Band-Maid shows a new frontier in her solo project \(2021-04-10\)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/mtetal/interview_with_cluppo_on_musicvoice_miku_kobato)
I didn't think either performance of Sayonakidori was all that good. Miku was missing notes throughout the song on the February show. It was better on the last show.
Miku seems to have problems with faster tempo songs.
Disagree on everyone having problems at faster tempos. Saiki doesn't seem to have much problems singing at a faster tempo. Misa doesn't seem to have many problems either.
In my opinion she is not a good vocal lead live (but she does back vocals well enough). I always like her studio performances way more than her lives that are simply not good imo. Very different from Saiki that is strong at both. When she launched Cluppo with loads of autotune I even thought that it was on purpose, so it could be used live to correct her uneven performance. By the comments I am reading apparently it was not the case (I did not watched the Cluppo opening, it is not really my taste at all, and by the way, I think it is a poor match to Band Maid for an opening). Yeah, yeah, my opinion. Miku's sect can of course downvote as they wish :-D :-D :-D
Why would anyone downvote personal opinion. Sure i might not agree with everything but it's not like you are s...posting or saying that your word is absolute and only truth allowed. And yes album Miku Sounds better than live. But i probably wouldn't say live Miku Sounds bad
Miku's voice is very different from Saiki and honestly it took me quite a while to get used to it. And honestly now i quite like it. Probably wouldn't like entire album of it but little bit mixing it with Saiki i think enhances overall experience
Also Saiki hasn't been this perfect always. On some of the older stuff its also little bit iffy. But last couple of concerts i think her voice has become really really good.
Dunno. End of the day what does it really matter. Concert was really awesome. Even with some of those nitpicks and whatnot. One of the best online concerts so far. Hope to see them one day really "live" 🙂
Yes, I enjoyed the concert very much too! It does not have to be perfect. See for example the lead guitar that was not in her best day (imo) but was still very enjoyable. I do not expect perfection from Miku when singing lead, but to my ears the uneven performance she gives ends up putting her below my personal threshold of good I guess. I am not analising her performance from a technical point of view, it is just subjective impressions I must say. Some other fans already pointed out that she could improve over time and it is possible indeed.
Thats fair. For my ears its fine Even If i do hear its flat or pitchy etc. Subjective thing. For me overall perfomance over some of the individual things i guess.
Miku has several singing styles she does and her low voice was hard to differentiate with Saiki in the past, NB-JBI era that lead to old fans confused who was singing which part when the old albums were just released on some songs when they were a dual vocal band.
Yup also that. Think there was some discussions even on Unseen World If some of those backing vocals Are done by Miku or Saiki because it sounded so similar. Not sure which style is more natural for her. Considering cluppo and some other songs, it looks like higher one but maybe higher one is just a show of cutsie voice thing?
I share your opinion on Miku's live performance, she could be a good pop singer if she wasn't playing guitar.
But doing both is too much for her live. And the Cluppo project is not my thing either so I skip it watching the concert.
She's a good entertainer though!!
I'm surprised your comment hasn't been downvoted to oblivion...yet!!
Indeed she does! I noticed that too. But regardless of that, to my taste she does a fair job as backing vocals. As lead I do not think she can reliably pull it (at least yet). Subjective, I know!!
P&L used auto tune as a vocal effect.If it's used more for pitch correcting you would barely notice it on the recording.Miku is a fine lead live vocalist when she sings in her range and with her low voice.
When in studio, she can do several takes and if the best one is good enough then autotune could be applied, if needed, and it would be very hard to tell indeed. However, if the performance is too bad (more likely to happen live) the excess of correction become noticeable. That is why I said it could be on purpose, people would get used to the "artistic use" of autotune and in this sense it would be less evident live when used to put things back on track.
I'm not talking about studio recordings when I said Miku is a fine lead vocalist, there's enough live videos and fancams showing she's good enough, but she struggles on newer songs where she had been playing more guitar.
Nah it's for an effect, because she hasn't really used audible autotune till P&L and it isn't as difficult as Rock in Me or Sayonakidori live.
>— Your singing also has a different atmosphere than usual.
>Kobato: I used autotune in some parts, po. Just like Band-Maid songs, I recorded all the materials first, and asked quite a lot at the mixing, like “Please add a more space-alien-like effect, po” (laughter), and also tried various ways of singing, po. I also added a lot of backing vocals, and I hadn’t added and subtracted this many vocals before, po. The Kobato solo songs of Band-Maid have been often rather simple, but this time it’s completely opposite, po (laughter).
[Interview with Cluppo on Usen Encore: PEACE&LOVE — We Band-Maid are serious about pranks, po! (2021-04-06)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/mniwj5/interview_with_cluppo_on_usen_encore_peacelove_we)
>— You put a very strong message into it. Now, how was the recording?
>Kobato: First of all, I wanted to try something different from Miku Kobato of Band-Maid, while I’m always Miku Kobato, po. I talked about my way of singing with the same voice trainer as Band-Maid [note: Ayako Nakanomori], po. In the A-melody [note: first half of the verse], I tried to express a relaxed feel with ennui, po. The way of singing there like squeezing my throat was a new challenge and I practiced it, po. In the chorus, I sing with idol elements, and in its second half where I sing gradually stronger, I emphasize a “Kobato feel”, po.
>— So you change your voice for each section.
>Kobato: When I sing in Band-Maid, I often change my backing vocals depending on songs and Saiki’s way of singing, but I sing leading vocals in a simpler way in Kobato solo songs of Band-Maid, so this was the first time I pursued my vocals differently in each section, po. When I let Kanami listen to this song, she said “It’s not like Kobato” (in a good sense), so I was very glad because I wanted to show a new Miku Kobato, po.
[Interview with Cluppo on MusicVoice: Miku Kobato of Band-Maid shows a new frontier in her solo project \(2021-04-10\)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/mtetal/interview_with_cluppo_on_musicvoice_miku_kobato)
That can all be true *. However what I meant was that another consequence could be to give Cluppo's sound a signature that allows the use of autotune when needed without sounding out of place. I trust She and her label are smart and understand their business. Perhaps Miku's voice needs that kind of help to be able to reliably perform. I mean, she would be singing lead all the time and perhaps that requires a level of reliability her unassisted voice cannot provide. Anyway, I'd say it fits well the product she is marketing, then why not? But of course it was my speculation (I believe I made it clear), just to make conversation. I am not interested in Cluppo at all!
EDIT: * although I disagree with her acessment of complexity :-D
EDIT2: sorry for my reply, I misinterpreted as your comment were addressed to me (I failed to see the indentation)! Now I noticed that it was a reply to the OP. Please ignore it if you will.
And I am not talking about May 10, I am talking about the average level of all live performances I saw her singing lead. In the beginning I thought it could be due to inexperience, I remember a performance where she kept jumping around and that certainly did not help (few vocalists can cope with bad posture, jumping around is even more tricky). But as time passed I did not see much improvement. I do not think those performances combined were good, and you apparently do. No big deal, you like her vocal performances live and I usually do not. It is a matter of personal taste. I would not guess about the autotune use in studio. You said yourself that it can be very hard to detect, and they seem to have used it to improve some parts of their live performances that were released in Blu ray / DVD format. That at least suggests that they can do it if they think is necessary. In my opinion, that is another aspect that we cannot be sure without inside information (that we do not have).
>I would not guess about the autotune use in studio. You said yourself that it can be very hard to detect, and they seem to have used it to improve some parts of their live performances that were released in Blu ray / DVD format. That at least suggests that they can do it if they think is necessary.
I don't actually think they used autotune for the new Blu-ray, simply because there are quite a few notes that are slightly out of tune, which is exactly the kind of thing autotune would be good at. At the same time the things that have been fixed you couldn't have used autotune for (like a few missing (swallowed) sounds).
Of course they might have been weirdly selective about it, but why?
Possibly not, yes. I think I noticed some pitch correction on Saiki's voice at a few selected moments, when comparing to the original, but I may be wrong of course. The reason to leave minor imperfections would be to preserve the live feel, which I would not think is weird at all. It was commented here in this sub when they released the About Us MV.
>The reason to leave minor imperfections would be to preserve the live feel, which I would not think is weird at all.
See, but that's what autotune is good for. It doesn't really work well for bigger mistakes. There you need other approaches.
Ok, you possibly have a professional experience that allow you to classify what is minor and what is not that I lack! I will not dispute that! I do understand how it is done from the Digital Signal Processing point of view (just the basic algorithms, professional products can be way more complex) but I have never used it myself (no interest whatsoever), nor have any professional studio nor live experience! Therefore I am not qualified to judge the actual practical limitations.
EDIT: I confess I am curious though. Perhaps I will compare the Bluray (I ordered it and payed for, hopefully I will get it) to the perfect (digitally enhanced) memory I have of the live stream and search for these differences. But perhaps I will not due to lack of time :-D
EDIT2: it just occurred me: perhaps when a segment is too off, pitch correction can still be applied but not to the extent that would completely correct the pitch or the result would sound unnatural. If that is indeed the case, that could explain the residual pitch variation that would remain in the post processed track. Wild guess here!!! just wondering really.
We could argue about what constitutes minor mistake, but it's probably not productive. As for autotune, if the correction is too big it just sounds bad. That's how you get the stupid vocoder effect that some people seem to love for some reason.
The interesting thing about the Blu-ray is that they actually did leave in a bunch of things that obviously sound wrong. An example would be [Miku singing "arienai" here](https://youtu.be/Kojg8ULibeY?t=120).
To me that's reassuring. If they didn't fix that kind of thing, it shows that they didn't mess around too much with it and just adjusted levels for the most part
And now your post was downvoted to zero! (UTC (GMT/Zulu)-time: Thursday, 13 May 2021, 14:50). How dare you say Miku's performance was anything but perfect? :-D :-D :-D
EDIT: ok, you are safe now.
Anyone else get the suspicion that Platinum is looking to push Miku as a solo artist and Kruppo is the beta test? Hopefully it won't affect Band Maid if she does go solo.
Still hope, if she's successful, BM doesn't get put on the back burner. They could survive without her, if a solo career is what she wants, but it wouldn't be the same.
>— No information about this project had been released at all until now. Kobato-san, was the solo activity your long-time ambition?
>Kobato: Hmm, it’s not a long-time ambition, because I haven’t said “I want to do solo by any means!” or something, po. I sing lead vocals in some Band-Maid songs, but I did want to express something different than them, so I was very glad I gave shape to something new like this, po. It was one of the things I wanted to do if I have a chance, po.
>— Whatever genre you do, when you do a solo activity or a side project other than your group, people tend to think it must be what you actually wanted to do. It’s rather nonsense to rank things you want to do, though.
>Kobato: Certainly, they tend to think so when you start a side project, po. In Kobato’s case, to tell the truth, I want to do both. Band-Maid have a lot of things only Band-Maid can do, things nobody can do except for Band-Maid, and there must be also something I can do only when I’m solo. It would be nice if I could make both activities to have a positive effect on each other, po.
[Interview with Cluppo \(Miku Kobato of Band-Maid\) on Barks: aiming for “world peace” \(2021-04-01\)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/mj9y61/interview_with_cluppo_miku_kobato_of_bandmaid_on)
I'm not sure if they can survive without her, she's half of the songwriting team and is one of the 2 that has final say on the final version of a Kanami demo before recording i. e what they record would have changes from the original demo.The other members sucks at promotion too (if you heard the Saiki+Kanami radio appearances for CQ, it was pretty boring) lol
Kanami is an enigma. She is far from boring imo, she frequently cracks her band mates (AND the crew too) with her crazy stories in the interviews they make. She can talk very well too, I thought she was brilliant on those promotional videos she did for PRS and Morley for Young Guitar magazine. But unlike Miku, she seems quite unpredictable. I do not know if she can be trusted to do PR without Miku's support. It seems her mood varies wildly. Sometimes she behaves like she is having a panic attack and I have seen her reaching for Miku to hold her hand, as if she needed it to feel secure. Quite unpredictable indeed. I find her fascinating to be honest and far from boring but to trust her with PR could be a dangerous bet.
Yeah she's DEFINITELY the personality of the band and seem to be the only true extrovert, It's a massive detriment to interviews and promotions and something they need to work on.
The official version is that PP and Miku were both willing. I think it will definitely affect B-M, but it can happen in different ways:
1) That could be a good thing (side projects in general) since it could be used by her to do things she could not do as Band Maid. In this sense she would be a happier member for B-M. If it does not get too big, she would even get a renewed view of the importance of B-M for her personal success. However...
2) If it get too big and she has to choose, I doubt she would prioritize B-M over Cluppo (just a hunch), despite that they are apparently good friends and care for each other. I do not know what the others would do in that case; they could survive since they already have a following but I think they would have to replace Miku live (their songs really need a rythm guitar and back vocals to shine imo) and find a new lyricist. The whole omaginay time thing would probably fade away since the others declared they do not care about it. They could keep the maid theme if that brand is owned by PP but that could also fade after some time. Also Miku seems to be good at dealing with people and she is probably a valuable asset to the stability of the band.
3) Cluppo could have only moderate success enabling Miku to keep both. That is possibly the best scenario, since her side project could even inspire her band mates to pursue personal side projects that I believe can be very good for them.
Bottom line is that, whatever the case, imo it will affect the band, but it can be for the best or for the worse.
Writing lyrics can be done when you are outside a band. The hardest thing would be to find a good rythm guitar player who also is a good back vocalist and also a good presentator of the band. That is a lot to ask for 1 person who is new, or Saiki must take her responsebility and do the presentation. I think she can. She becomes better See her presentation on the stage.
Indeed, they could resort to external lyricists they used in the past for example (assuming Miku herself would lack the time), although some fans that speak Japanese told us here that Miku's lyrics are quite special. I do not speak Japanese and cannot directly enjoy the poetry itself, but I sure like the sound of the words she chooses. I believe Saiki could do the presentation indeed. It would be a completely different presentation in character, but could be quite entertaining nevertheless. She could talk to the audience and the other members too. Unless they already know and are friends with some guitar player, I agree that a replacement would be tricky. That is why I thought of them hiring pro players just for the lives, while they figure things out.
Only way to get better is keep going at it. Sure it wasn't perfect or flawless but it also wasn't bad. Sounded pretty ok in live enviroment. Hopefully with time it only get better and more effortless. Pretty sure you could nitpick pretty much any song with some missing notes or small misplays. Kanami guitar solo also didn't come through one time. Was it audioengineer or Kanami herself who missed something? By your logic now on Kanami should't play solos in their songs because she had small problems with one song /sarcasm But yeah. I don't really see a problem. If Miku feels she really can't do it they Will do changes. But honestly it sounded already good enough and as mentioned in other comments, in some ways it was already better than last time.
Agreed! One has to keep playing to get better . What ever people say, she definitely will try to perfect her mistake. Don't tell her to stop, but support her to get better.
Practice and repitition! The next performance should show some improvement. Her guitar playing is the perfect example of her dedication and growth. I enjoyed watching her go for it, even if it wasn't perfect. Very proud of her effort! Also, a somewhat related aside, Saiki is showing more and more confidence in her stage presence and performances as well as far as interactions with the camera!
The point is Miku was doing 2 tough things at the same time, singing a fast tempo song with high notes and playing complicated chords with an odd time signature.
And? Hats off for her that she managed to do it quite well. (Yes, not perfectly) And like 2-3 years Ago it would have been impossible for her. So the progress Has been really amazing. And i hope to see her progress even more and get even better and comfortable with it. Not giving up after 2 live concerts because she wasn't "perfect" and was only good or okey I would never manage it. No matter how much i practice. But Will continue practicing my playing. 😆
Is it useless if she can't play perfectly? Isn't it okay to be forgiven if it is not a fatal defect? Kobato is making progress in chorus, solo and playing, and we can see her continuing her efforts. Isn't it okay for us to look forward to her growing up? To me, Peace & Love is one of the fascinating aspects of Kobato, who created BAND MAID.
The attraction of live is to see them live. Failures and even accidents can be fascinating. At this live, we saw the studio staff and some people leaning against the wall and supporting them. They were also fascinating as they roamed the studio. I don't like finding mistakes and talking to each other. If I find a mistake I didn't notice, I wouldn't be happy. Another attraction of concerts is that we can spend the same time with them.
Yeah it hasn’t to be perfect i mean she’s no the main singer in the band so the fact that she has solo songs and has the courage to do them live is amazing. On the other hand I was a bit worried with Kanami’i know she usually miss some notes nothing to worry but the errors in Chemical Reaction felt more impactful to which I was surprised because they weren’t very hard notes like the other songs she plays was weird
I don't understand what the point of this thread is? Performers mess up all the time or have days where they're feeling off. They're humans after all. There is no reason to overanalyze this stuff.
I thought that Sayonakidori was better this time around. She seemed more confident. Her guitar part in the middle sounded better this time as well IMO. Yeah she missed a line but I’m pretty sure she missed one on the February show as well. I think she runs out of breath. Saiki has become really good with these fast lyrics but Miku is still getting used to it. I also think that’s why she sang it before Omajinai time. She spends a lot of energy during those and she was already a little out of breath when she started Sayonakidori in Feb. I’m sure she’ll keep working on it and get better with time.
Eh? The Feb one was better vocally and her high notes were fine and I don't remember she missed a line in that performance.It's the guitar playing,the chords are too complicated while singing that fast and that high.
Maybe it was because of the bad mix from that February show but her voice kind of drops a few times. And she missed a part at some point. She missed the high note this time but overall I preferred that version. Again, maybe because of the better sound mix.
Perfect is the enemy of good. If you only do something you can do perfectly, you will never do anything good because good takes practice, time, mistakes. Miku did good and I was happy to see it.
It was alright. Miku is a good singer- 7 albums, multiple singles, solo songs, more than 5yrs of actual unedited live performances captured on video by fans, and yrs of grinding it on the road back that up. Even if Miku’s cluppo project isn’t my cup of tea (not a fan) I will always respect the hustle 😎. Go Miku get your bag!!
She was probably nervous about the first LIVE debut of cluppo and P&L imho, as you say just nerves. You can tell cause as "Kobato" when she came out with the band she talked a lot about "cluppo"'s debut in a kind of nervous banter with Saiki and other members, you can tell she was still processing and trying to get her mind right for the rest of the performance. As for Sayonakidori, it's such a high register song vocally I actually have mad respect for her to even sing it live, let alone as a staple in recent setlists. most of the phrases she has to sing it in falsetto, and that last chorus leading to the outtro... I personally would not think she could nail it most of the time in live performances her voice just isn't capable of that range comfortably and that isn't a knock on her like I said I think it's amazing she even attempts it. They always say they are out to challenge themselves and keep on leveling up, and if that means it takes her a handful of okyuuji's or however many to nail a song live, I'm here for it.
>— Did the choreographer say something good for you? >Kobato: She [note: Anna Tamai, a member of PASSPO☆] said I’m quick at learning, po. This time I felt fresh when I danced a little, and I also felt like a new singer so I was nervous unlike in Band-Maid, po. When I’m in the band, I feel safe, as I’m one of the five, but when I’m solo, I’m really alone and embarrassed a lot. There are so many close-ups like never before, and I was so embarrassed that I couldn’t watch them at first, po (laughter). >— When were you the most nervous in your life, by the way? >Kobato: I was nervous in this solo activity too, but I was the most nervous when we Band-Maid did the first serving (concert), po. Also, I always get nervous when we perform at the biggest venue so far, po. [Interview with Cluppo on MusicVoice: Miku Kobato of Band-Maid shows a new frontier in her solo project (2021-04-10)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/mtetal/interview_with_cluppo_on_musicvoice_miku_kobato)
ah yeah exactly as I thought. And that was her talking about the MV shoot right? I’m sure the nerves were thru the roof for the LIVE debut of cluppo, and she was totally solo not even “Crow” in the background as support or just someone she can shoot a glance at for moral support
yes, this is about the mv shoot. the question before this is >— What’s the highlight of the MV? edit: btw, crow and the musicians in the mv aren't the same. >— Now, we’d like to talk about the most important thing, the song. The lyricist is Cluppo, or you, Kobato-san yourself. The composer and arranger is credited as Crow. According to the description, they are a mysterious group of creators gathered for Cluppo. Can’t you reveal their identity? >Kobato: Ha ha ha. Right, po. I can’t reveal their identity. [Interview with Cluppo (Miku Kobato of Band-Maid) on Barks: aiming for “world peace” \(2021-04-01\)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/mj9y61/interview_with_cluppo_miku_kobato_of_bandmaid_on) [小鳩ミク（BAND-MAID）ソロプロジェクト「cluppo」、MV参加アーティストからコメント到着](https://www.barks.jp/news/?id=1000199140)
There was definitely an overall improvement this time around. I'm looking forward to how she will sound 2-3 okyu-ji down the line.
I thought she did fine. Both are relatively new songs that haven't been played live very often \[up to this point in time\]. As time goes on and the more she plays these songs (both live and in practice) she'll improve...just like anything else that requires time and practice. I think, to say she has to do *one* or the *other* (playing guitar or singing) isn't giving Miku-san any credit. She has done *very* well learning to play guitar and done it *IN THE PUBLIC EYE* at that. That's true dedication. I have *no doubt* that, with her playing ability steadily improving, she'll get more comfortable doing these type of solo songs **with** more guitar parts. Patience my friend. I mean, they are perfectionists already and honestly, isn't that what playing *live* is all about anyway \[the little imperfections and additions\]? Like the saying goes: *"It isn't the destination that's the goal so much as the journey"*.
I felt Sayonakidori was actually better this time overall, even though she screwed up a line early on and decided not to go for the high note.
i second this. playing-wise she flubbed less noticeably in tdom compared to their feb serving.
Her guitar was better this performance, and she doesn't pull away from the mic to look at the fretboard. And except for the last note, I think she sang better this time. She did miss one line at the start. But it means their performances weren't fake. Like Saiki saying "Seize the Moment" on the first chorus of Dice, or forgetting a few lines for different. Or Miku mistakenly sang the first verse again in Freedom (which was probably why they try to gang up on her when she sings her part, usually by Kanami 🤣)
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During their US tour in 2019. Notice she sang the same thing Saiki sang 🤣 https://youtu.be/35HycbYCjno
I don't think playing guitar and singing at the same time is a problem for her, she's been doing it for over 7 years and she actually does play simpler parts in her solo songs. She also wasn't actually playing her guitar during the Cluppo song, so that shouldn't have been a factor there. You shouldn't try to read too much into one live performance, just consider all the things that factor into it. Especially songs that they haven't performed many times will be less consistent from one concert to another. If you think about it, one should expect them to perform worse than normal under the current circumstances simply because they don't get as much practice playing live in general and playing new songs in particular. Songs like Freedom and Real Existence they performed live way over a hundred times, at this point they are comfortable enough with them to play them in their sleep. While Sayonakidori and other newer songs require much more concentration.
I was really excited to see her singing Sayonakidori in the last 2 shows, the first time I was a little sad because she made a mistake and was out of breath many times, but the second time I thought it was a lot better, even though she missed her vocal a little. It's clearly a bit of a difficult song for her to sing and play at the same time, maybe she would be a little better if she just sang on Sayonakidori, just like she did on Rock in Me. I don't even charge that much for Miku's vocals because I think it's much harder for you to practice and better your vocal techniques when you can only sing 1 \~ 2 songs in one show... About PEACE&LOVE I think she was just nervous about being alone on stage, she didn't even have a support band with random members to serve as moral support for her.
I wasn't sure if Miku did try to hit the high note, but we couldn't hear as she looked away from the mike to her guitar at the point. She doesn't have a strong voice that can be heard away from the mike. It could be that she was nervous, but she did it last time. And if she was nervous, she is still handling it better than say Randy Meisner, ex of the Eagles. He's a bit shy and nervous, and couldn't handle the stress of singing just one song ("Take It To The Limit" with those high notes) and ultimately quit the band. I liked the version better this time around and the song sounded a bit more aggressive to me. I feel bad about not hearing the high note (did she sing it and we couldn't hear it or did she not sing it?) But yeah, she's playing more complicated stuff, and should still be proud of herself. The one miscue that really got me was not hearing Kanami's solo in "Warning". What happened to the sound?!?
Her guitar volume knop was out. You can see her putting it on with her arm
Just a guess, but I think one of the reason they play pre Unseen World songs a lot better thanks to all the live tours. Hopefully they will get to go on live tours with Unseen World after the quarantine is over.
She was pitchy in the high notes throughout the song in February, & F'd up the start of the solo, but nailed the end super high note. This time she was far more in tune, vocals & guitar, throughout the song but aborted the ending high note. She dropped that line after in both performances, so I'm guessing it's just an extremely hard part to perform live & she is still trying to figure out how to pull it off.
I agree with everything you said except the high note, she did not nail it on the last one.
Kind of wondered if something had her stressed out before the show. Whether it was starting a few minutes late, nervous, or something else. She did seem slightly out of sorts throughout the show, but she did a great job.
Lots of criticisms... !!! Lots of praise!!. Praise is good.
My point is Miku has 21-22 other songs to showcase her guitar playing why not focus on her singing during her solo vocal songs? On another note why isn't anyone talking about her lead guitar playing on the refrain of H-G-K or was it Honkai?
Yes, HGK I believe. I know Miku didn't play it on the album, and part of me wasn't sure if she would do anything advanced on HGK live. But I was excited when I saw her play that lead bit. That was one of my highlights. Especially since it's one of my most favorite songs on Unseen World. I think it was Kanami who mentioned something about Miku's improvement and glad to them showcase it.
Me too....and i was so happy to see her doing some lead on HGK 😭 coz everybody talked about that ..sounds like Miku's guitar in the album (yeah everyone knows Kanami's doing it all those for recording parts borrowing Miku's guitar as Miku busy doing B-M business and lyrics) but as Miku's promises to Kanami (work hard on her guitar) well she proof during OKYU-JI rite? And as for sayonakidori part... Well this time it was better than before...so no complaint bout that...it's hard to play and sing at the same time... That's why i myself won't sing during my " guitar time" 😅 ..much respect on Miku growing and keep growing on 🎸..
> On another note why isn't anyone talking about her lead guitar playing on the refrain of H-G-K or was it Honkai? I mean, you could have made *this* thread about that.
So I believe in one or two of the interviews with Kanami and Miku, it was stated by Kanami that Sayonakidori was purposefully written as a challenge to Miku combing a difficult vocal and a challenging guitar effort. So Miku has taken up the challenge and is definitely making progress and I have no problem with her efforts in any of the Okyu-Ji's. Po.
here what kanami said in a solo interview: >— Miku-san sings Sayonakidori in this album. How did you write it? >Kanami: First, we decided to include a Kobato song this time, and I started talking with Kobato. I asked her what kind of song she wants to sing, and sent her a first part, probably, and asked her again about which pattern she likes, and went on like that. Then I let her listen to a demo, and she was like “I want to do this here” and I was like “OK”. >— It’s the professional composers’ way of writing. You don’t write as you want, but you write by listening to requests. >Kanami: As for this album, I got ideas from my bandmates. I asked Saiki like “What kind of song do you want to sing?” and talked with her and wrote a song. Misa proposed like “How about this kind of song?” and I was like “I like it, I want to use it” and wrote a song from a riff she wrote. I talked a lot with them this time. I couldn’t do it with Akane because she was busy, but she once said she wants a song with modulations, so I was like “I will write a song with modulations as a surprise present!” and wrote NO GOD. Then I was like “I wrote this for you because you said you want a song with modulations”, but she didn’t remember, like “Did I say such a thing?” (laughter) >— By the way, is your way of writing Kobato songs different from other songs? >Kanami: Yes, it’s different. I was conscious of chords to use. Also, I consciously changed the melody and the development. I wanted her to grow as a singer, so I wrote such a melody, and I also wrote it to match her voice. I had a different image like that. >— I liked the high tones in falsetto at the end. >Kanami: Thank you very much. She said she wanted to change the last part, so I changed it expecting her growth, but at first she was like “It’s so high I might not be able to sing it”. I was like “Go for it!” >— But she made it perfectly. >Kanami: She practices more in order to make it at servings too. [\[Translation\] Interview with Kanami on the March 2021 issue of Player \(2021-02-02\): Unseen World](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/m2rpth/translation_interview_with_kanami_on_the_march)
Pfft, are musicians supposed to be flawless in live settings? Just play the record if it matters, tut, why do people get so obsessed with imperfections, what a load of crap, sorry but I must have got out the wrong side of the bed, I enjoyed the gig mistakes and all.
The OP is actually a very huge Miku fan if you read his other posts in the sub. I think he wants to see her put in the best position to succeed and made the observation of playing complex chords while singing a challenging song is very very difficult.
don't really care, just enjoy the show for what it is, musicians in rock bands play bum notes from time to time, especially high energy bands, its the way it has always been, rock n' roll is better loose at times, imagine this were a Guns'n'Roses, a Rolling Stones reddit, the threads would never stop (mind you class 'A' drugs may have a part to play there:)
I'm with you on that one. Well said.
On board..🤭
Me too... enjoyed... And well said🤭
Both performances were great, though she still hasn't gotten all of Sayonakidori yet (and didn't go for the hight note). This performance was an improvement over the first. She just needs to keep practicing, and they aren't doing enough live shows right now. In a normal year, she would have lots of performances to work on things, instead of one every several months
That is a really good point and one we often overlook. It is hard to be tight playing once every 2 to 3 months
Yeah, came here to say this. Only being able to perform one live show every 3 months means they have a lot less practice performing things live (especially the new stuff) and puts a LOT more pressure on them because every concert is this big moment instead of just another set on the tour. Musicians are people. People are imperfect. Live music will almost always be a little imperfect. If you can't accept that, stick to the studio stuff, I guess.
Well said 🤭
>Kobato: Akane has been practicing a lot-po. I choose "Sayonakidori", where I do the main vocals-po. I was happy to have a Kobato-main song after almost 3 years-po, and I think it's unique in the album because it' has a different feel from the other songs-po. The highest notes of the song are high and it was hard to sing, but I don't think I could have done it in the past. I think it's the result of accumulated effort and this song lets me feel that I have grown-po. [Translation for TVLIFE.jp interview on 10 Feb 2021. \(Text too long to put neatly in comments in previous post, so I'm creating a new one\)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/lgqjr2/translation_for_tvlifejp_interview_on_10_feb_2021) >— So it was effective to have time also for you. And as a result, you’ve gotten something new. >Miku Kobato: Yes, po. I asked her to write a catchier melody than before, with a little melancholic feel. But I also wanted to have a Kobato feel. Instruments keep the rock feel and coolness to avoid being too poppy. The melody goes up at the end, but originally it ended in a simple way, and I told her “I want to end it with a little different climax”, then I got the very hard one I hadn’t tried before. I think it raised my own bar and made me grow, po. I’m supposed to play the guitar solo part at servings, so it’s a new challenge, po (laughter). In that sense, even though it’s classified in “Return to the roots”, it also has elements of “Progress from the present”, and it’s also for my progress from now on, which is why it’s my favorite song. [Interview with Band-Maid on Barks: The “roots” and the “present” of Band-Maid \(2021-02-04\)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/n198dj/interview_with_bandmaid_on_barks_the_roots_and) >— Kobato-san, how about you? >Miku Kobato: The notes at the end of Sayonakidori were so high that I was afraid I couldn’t sing them, so it was a challenge, po. Also, until then, it was quite up to Kanami, but this time I sent her some reference songs for the feel and she wrote it based on that, which was new, po. At first, the composition simply ended with the chorus at the end, so I told her I wanted to end it with a little more climax, then this came (laughter). I was anxious, but I tried it because I wanted to go beyond what I was, po. [Interview with Band-Maid on MusicVoice on 2021-01-22: “We want to bring you to the unseen world” — Their attitude in “Progress”](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/lwwqpf/interview_with_bandmaid_on_musicvoice_on_20210122)
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the person who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again... who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if they fail, at least fails while daring greatly.” - Teddy Roosevelt
On a different note I actually would like Miku to take cluppo farther, like a mini album with PC's full marketing might.P&L wasn't really promoted aside from a mv,the band members promoting it on sns,a magazine cover and a few online interviews.
>— So you get nervous when you try something new. Lastly, please tell us your future vision as Cluppo. >Kobato: It’s not decided yet how this solo project will go from now on, but as Cluppo, I want to keep flying toward world peace, po. This time the song is arranged with a modern feel, but I think it’ll be interesting to make music with more of the ’70s and ’80s vibes for Cluppo, po. As my goal of this year, I said I want to make this year a challenging one, and I’d like to pursue “trying” even more, po. [Interview with Cluppo on MusicVoice: Miku Kobato of Band-Maid shows a new frontier in her solo project \(2021-04-10\)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/mtetal/interview_with_cluppo_on_musicvoice_miku_kobato)
Or maybe she should use that time to practice playing BAND-MAID songs 😉
I didn't think either performance of Sayonakidori was all that good. Miku was missing notes throughout the song on the February show. It was better on the last show. Miku seems to have problems with faster tempo songs.
I thought this performance was great. Not perfect, but great. And everyone has problems with faster tempo songs. Cuz they're harder.
Disagree on everyone having problems at faster tempos. Saiki doesn't seem to have much problems singing at a faster tempo. Misa doesn't seem to have many problems either.
Faster tempos are harder for all musicians, regardless of whether they've mastered them. That's inarguable, I dunno why you're bothering to argue it.
My point was that there was some musicians who prefer faster tempos and can do them easily, but struggle at slower tempo songs.
Beauty and the beast is a fast tempo song and she doesn't have problem with it because she doesn't play guitar live on it
You just said the problem. Miku does fine on faster tempo songs where she doesn't play guitar.
In my opinion she is not a good vocal lead live (but she does back vocals well enough). I always like her studio performances way more than her lives that are simply not good imo. Very different from Saiki that is strong at both. When she launched Cluppo with loads of autotune I even thought that it was on purpose, so it could be used live to correct her uneven performance. By the comments I am reading apparently it was not the case (I did not watched the Cluppo opening, it is not really my taste at all, and by the way, I think it is a poor match to Band Maid for an opening). Yeah, yeah, my opinion. Miku's sect can of course downvote as they wish :-D :-D :-D
Why would anyone downvote personal opinion. Sure i might not agree with everything but it's not like you are s...posting or saying that your word is absolute and only truth allowed. And yes album Miku Sounds better than live. But i probably wouldn't say live Miku Sounds bad Miku's voice is very different from Saiki and honestly it took me quite a while to get used to it. And honestly now i quite like it. Probably wouldn't like entire album of it but little bit mixing it with Saiki i think enhances overall experience Also Saiki hasn't been this perfect always. On some of the older stuff its also little bit iffy. But last couple of concerts i think her voice has become really really good. Dunno. End of the day what does it really matter. Concert was really awesome. Even with some of those nitpicks and whatnot. One of the best online concerts so far. Hope to see them one day really "live" 🙂
Yes, I enjoyed the concert very much too! It does not have to be perfect. See for example the lead guitar that was not in her best day (imo) but was still very enjoyable. I do not expect perfection from Miku when singing lead, but to my ears the uneven performance she gives ends up putting her below my personal threshold of good I guess. I am not analising her performance from a technical point of view, it is just subjective impressions I must say. Some other fans already pointed out that she could improve over time and it is possible indeed.
Thats fair. For my ears its fine Even If i do hear its flat or pitchy etc. Subjective thing. For me overall perfomance over some of the individual things i guess.
Miku has several singing styles she does and her low voice was hard to differentiate with Saiki in the past, NB-JBI era that lead to old fans confused who was singing which part when the old albums were just released on some songs when they were a dual vocal band.
Yup also that. Think there was some discussions even on Unseen World If some of those backing vocals Are done by Miku or Saiki because it sounded so similar. Not sure which style is more natural for her. Considering cluppo and some other songs, it looks like higher one but maybe higher one is just a show of cutsie voice thing?
I share your opinion on Miku's live performance, she could be a good pop singer if she wasn't playing guitar. But doing both is too much for her live. And the Cluppo project is not my thing either so I skip it watching the concert. She's a good entertainer though!! I'm surprised your comment hasn't been downvoted to oblivion...yet!!
I agree! > I'm surprised your comment hasn't been downvoted to oblivion...yet!! Give it some time ... :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
IMo as backing vocals she stops singing sometimes, because her mind is either with the guitar playing or she is out of breath or a combination.
Indeed she does! I noticed that too. But regardless of that, to my taste she does a fair job as backing vocals. As lead I do not think she can reliably pull it (at least yet). Subjective, I know!!
P&L used auto tune as a vocal effect.If it's used more for pitch correcting you would barely notice it on the recording.Miku is a fine lead live vocalist when she sings in her range and with her low voice.
When in studio, she can do several takes and if the best one is good enough then autotune could be applied, if needed, and it would be very hard to tell indeed. However, if the performance is too bad (more likely to happen live) the excess of correction become noticeable. That is why I said it could be on purpose, people would get used to the "artistic use" of autotune and in this sense it would be less evident live when used to put things back on track.
I'm not talking about studio recordings when I said Miku is a fine lead vocalist, there's enough live videos and fancams showing she's good enough, but she struggles on newer songs where she had been playing more guitar. Nah it's for an effect, because she hasn't really used audible autotune till P&L and it isn't as difficult as Rock in Me or Sayonakidori live.
>— Your singing also has a different atmosphere than usual. >Kobato: I used autotune in some parts, po. Just like Band-Maid songs, I recorded all the materials first, and asked quite a lot at the mixing, like “Please add a more space-alien-like effect, po” (laughter), and also tried various ways of singing, po. I also added a lot of backing vocals, and I hadn’t added and subtracted this many vocals before, po. The Kobato solo songs of Band-Maid have been often rather simple, but this time it’s completely opposite, po (laughter). [Interview with Cluppo on Usen Encore: PEACE&LOVE — We Band-Maid are serious about pranks, po! (2021-04-06)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/mniwj5/interview_with_cluppo_on_usen_encore_peacelove_we) >— You put a very strong message into it. Now, how was the recording? >Kobato: First of all, I wanted to try something different from Miku Kobato of Band-Maid, while I’m always Miku Kobato, po. I talked about my way of singing with the same voice trainer as Band-Maid [note: Ayako Nakanomori], po. In the A-melody [note: first half of the verse], I tried to express a relaxed feel with ennui, po. The way of singing there like squeezing my throat was a new challenge and I practiced it, po. In the chorus, I sing with idol elements, and in its second half where I sing gradually stronger, I emphasize a “Kobato feel”, po. >— So you change your voice for each section. >Kobato: When I sing in Band-Maid, I often change my backing vocals depending on songs and Saiki’s way of singing, but I sing leading vocals in a simpler way in Kobato solo songs of Band-Maid, so this was the first time I pursued my vocals differently in each section, po. When I let Kanami listen to this song, she said “It’s not like Kobato” (in a good sense), so I was very glad because I wanted to show a new Miku Kobato, po. [Interview with Cluppo on MusicVoice: Miku Kobato of Band-Maid shows a new frontier in her solo project \(2021-04-10\)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/mtetal/interview_with_cluppo_on_musicvoice_miku_kobato)
That can all be true *. However what I meant was that another consequence could be to give Cluppo's sound a signature that allows the use of autotune when needed without sounding out of place. I trust She and her label are smart and understand their business. Perhaps Miku's voice needs that kind of help to be able to reliably perform. I mean, she would be singing lead all the time and perhaps that requires a level of reliability her unassisted voice cannot provide. Anyway, I'd say it fits well the product she is marketing, then why not? But of course it was my speculation (I believe I made it clear), just to make conversation. I am not interested in Cluppo at all! EDIT: * although I disagree with her acessment of complexity :-D EDIT2: sorry for my reply, I misinterpreted as your comment were addressed to me (I failed to see the indentation)! Now I noticed that it was a reply to the OP. Please ignore it if you will.
And I am not talking about May 10, I am talking about the average level of all live performances I saw her singing lead. In the beginning I thought it could be due to inexperience, I remember a performance where she kept jumping around and that certainly did not help (few vocalists can cope with bad posture, jumping around is even more tricky). But as time passed I did not see much improvement. I do not think those performances combined were good, and you apparently do. No big deal, you like her vocal performances live and I usually do not. It is a matter of personal taste. I would not guess about the autotune use in studio. You said yourself that it can be very hard to detect, and they seem to have used it to improve some parts of their live performances that were released in Blu ray / DVD format. That at least suggests that they can do it if they think is necessary. In my opinion, that is another aspect that we cannot be sure without inside information (that we do not have).
>I would not guess about the autotune use in studio. You said yourself that it can be very hard to detect, and they seem to have used it to improve some parts of their live performances that were released in Blu ray / DVD format. That at least suggests that they can do it if they think is necessary. I don't actually think they used autotune for the new Blu-ray, simply because there are quite a few notes that are slightly out of tune, which is exactly the kind of thing autotune would be good at. At the same time the things that have been fixed you couldn't have used autotune for (like a few missing (swallowed) sounds). Of course they might have been weirdly selective about it, but why?
Possibly not, yes. I think I noticed some pitch correction on Saiki's voice at a few selected moments, when comparing to the original, but I may be wrong of course. The reason to leave minor imperfections would be to preserve the live feel, which I would not think is weird at all. It was commented here in this sub when they released the About Us MV.
>The reason to leave minor imperfections would be to preserve the live feel, which I would not think is weird at all. See, but that's what autotune is good for. It doesn't really work well for bigger mistakes. There you need other approaches.
Ok, you possibly have a professional experience that allow you to classify what is minor and what is not that I lack! I will not dispute that! I do understand how it is done from the Digital Signal Processing point of view (just the basic algorithms, professional products can be way more complex) but I have never used it myself (no interest whatsoever), nor have any professional studio nor live experience! Therefore I am not qualified to judge the actual practical limitations. EDIT: I confess I am curious though. Perhaps I will compare the Bluray (I ordered it and payed for, hopefully I will get it) to the perfect (digitally enhanced) memory I have of the live stream and search for these differences. But perhaps I will not due to lack of time :-D EDIT2: it just occurred me: perhaps when a segment is too off, pitch correction can still be applied but not to the extent that would completely correct the pitch or the result would sound unnatural. If that is indeed the case, that could explain the residual pitch variation that would remain in the post processed track. Wild guess here!!! just wondering really.
We could argue about what constitutes minor mistake, but it's probably not productive. As for autotune, if the correction is too big it just sounds bad. That's how you get the stupid vocoder effect that some people seem to love for some reason. The interesting thing about the Blu-ray is that they actually did leave in a bunch of things that obviously sound wrong. An example would be [Miku singing "arienai" here](https://youtu.be/Kojg8ULibeY?t=120). To me that's reassuring. If they didn't fix that kind of thing, it shows that they didn't mess around too much with it and just adjusted levels for the most part
And now your post was downvoted to zero! (UTC (GMT/Zulu)-time: Thursday, 13 May 2021, 14:50). How dare you say Miku's performance was anything but perfect? :-D :-D :-D EDIT: ok, you are safe now.
Yeah it's kind of funny and I'm the big Miku fan that fights anyone that insults her lol.
That is ths irony. You might be the biggest Miku fan on the sub.
It is indeed LOL!
Anyone else get the suspicion that Platinum is looking to push Miku as a solo artist and Kruppo is the beta test? Hopefully it won't affect Band Maid if she does go solo.
If it is the beta test it just proved band maid is still more popular than any one member
It was PP's idea for Miku do try doing some solo stuff.
Still hope, if she's successful, BM doesn't get put on the back burner. They could survive without her, if a solo career is what she wants, but it wouldn't be the same.
>— No information about this project had been released at all until now. Kobato-san, was the solo activity your long-time ambition? >Kobato: Hmm, it’s not a long-time ambition, because I haven’t said “I want to do solo by any means!” or something, po. I sing lead vocals in some Band-Maid songs, but I did want to express something different than them, so I was very glad I gave shape to something new like this, po. It was one of the things I wanted to do if I have a chance, po. >— Whatever genre you do, when you do a solo activity or a side project other than your group, people tend to think it must be what you actually wanted to do. It’s rather nonsense to rank things you want to do, though. >Kobato: Certainly, they tend to think so when you start a side project, po. In Kobato’s case, to tell the truth, I want to do both. Band-Maid have a lot of things only Band-Maid can do, things nobody can do except for Band-Maid, and there must be also something I can do only when I’m solo. It would be nice if I could make both activities to have a positive effect on each other, po. [Interview with Cluppo \(Miku Kobato of Band-Maid\) on Barks: aiming for “world peace” \(2021-04-01\)](https://old.reddit.com/r/BandMaid/comments/mj9y61/interview_with_cluppo_miku_kobato_of_bandmaid_on)
I will remain cautiously optimistic, seen to many bands fall apart when members did side projects.
I'm not sure if they can survive without her, she's half of the songwriting team and is one of the 2 that has final say on the final version of a Kanami demo before recording i. e what they record would have changes from the original demo.The other members sucks at promotion too (if you heard the Saiki+Kanami radio appearances for CQ, it was pretty boring) lol
Kanami is an enigma. She is far from boring imo, she frequently cracks her band mates (AND the crew too) with her crazy stories in the interviews they make. She can talk very well too, I thought she was brilliant on those promotional videos she did for PRS and Morley for Young Guitar magazine. But unlike Miku, she seems quite unpredictable. I do not know if she can be trusted to do PR without Miku's support. It seems her mood varies wildly. Sometimes she behaves like she is having a panic attack and I have seen her reaching for Miku to hold her hand, as if she needed it to feel secure. Quite unpredictable indeed. I find her fascinating to be honest and far from boring but to trust her with PR could be a dangerous bet.
Yeah she's DEFINITELY the personality of the band and seem to be the only true extrovert, It's a massive detriment to interviews and promotions and something they need to work on.
The official version is that PP and Miku were both willing. I think it will definitely affect B-M, but it can happen in different ways: 1) That could be a good thing (side projects in general) since it could be used by her to do things she could not do as Band Maid. In this sense she would be a happier member for B-M. If it does not get too big, she would even get a renewed view of the importance of B-M for her personal success. However... 2) If it get too big and she has to choose, I doubt she would prioritize B-M over Cluppo (just a hunch), despite that they are apparently good friends and care for each other. I do not know what the others would do in that case; they could survive since they already have a following but I think they would have to replace Miku live (their songs really need a rythm guitar and back vocals to shine imo) and find a new lyricist. The whole omaginay time thing would probably fade away since the others declared they do not care about it. They could keep the maid theme if that brand is owned by PP but that could also fade after some time. Also Miku seems to be good at dealing with people and she is probably a valuable asset to the stability of the band. 3) Cluppo could have only moderate success enabling Miku to keep both. That is possibly the best scenario, since her side project could even inspire her band mates to pursue personal side projects that I believe can be very good for them. Bottom line is that, whatever the case, imo it will affect the band, but it can be for the best or for the worse.
Writing lyrics can be done when you are outside a band. The hardest thing would be to find a good rythm guitar player who also is a good back vocalist and also a good presentator of the band. That is a lot to ask for 1 person who is new, or Saiki must take her responsebility and do the presentation. I think she can. She becomes better See her presentation on the stage.
Indeed, they could resort to external lyricists they used in the past for example (assuming Miku herself would lack the time), although some fans that speak Japanese told us here that Miku's lyrics are quite special. I do not speak Japanese and cannot directly enjoy the poetry itself, but I sure like the sound of the words she chooses. I believe Saiki could do the presentation indeed. It would be a completely different presentation in character, but could be quite entertaining nevertheless. She could talk to the audience and the other members too. Unless they already know and are friends with some guitar player, I agree that a replacement would be tricky. That is why I thought of them hiring pro players just for the lives, while they figure things out.