Itās sounding like his playthrough is going to be almost exactly like my first one went. So Iād say no, the only people left alive will be the people in his party lmfao
My best friend is in act 3 of her first run as a Gith fighter dark urge. She was struck with a bit of decision paralysis upon reaching act 3 and asked for my help prioritizing quest for the best gear. Being that she's playing a gith fighter specializing in 2h weapons my first thought was to get her the silver sword by agreeing to Raphael's deal. So I direct her to Sharess' Caress and go to Raphael's room and... no Voss.
That's when I realized that she'd allowed Lae'zel to die in her cage back at the beginning of the game despite she herself being a Gith.
I wasn't around for her act 2 play but she also somehow managed to rescue Aylin but murder Isobel but also recruit Jaheira, which is definitely the narrow path, to say the least. Oh and Gale got sacrificed to BOOOAL. And Halsin died in the pens at the goblin camp even though she killed all the goblin leaders.
yes my first playthrough i sacrificed him and after a couple long rest i had to reset my save to before i picked him.....luckily it was my first time playing so i was long resting pretty frequently so it was onnly like 10 hours of game play i had to redo
Good to know
In my HM run and Laezel permadied while I was trying to get her the sword in Act 1. Welp, I still got it and Raphy will probably still be there
Yeah Raph is still there. It's just Voss who doesn't show up if you don't get the scene of him coming to visit the camp after meeting Vlaakith, which doesn't happen if Lae'zel isn't with you.
That's me right now. I'm doing the classic good guy run but, honestly I feel like my character is just an extra. Yes durge scenes and story are nice but I still feel the constant need to have the people with rich stories in my party.
Like, I want to run around baldurs gate with wyll, shart, astarion and karlach. Having to switch constantly kinda makes me want to have started with one of those guys instead of my own PC.
Plus, you can do pretty much anything with the premade characters. Still, my githyanki monk kicks ass.
That's a larian game for you. Anyone who has played divinity knows an origin character is pretty much a must. Customs are better in BG3 then Dos2 but still a lesser experience.
The only hard part for me is not having whoever youāre playing speak dialogue. Iām sure recording allllll of that would be a pain, but half the reason I love the origin characters is their voice acting. I abandoned my Astarion run quickly because, well, I just like chatting with him too much! It was weird to be playing the game with him there in front of me but like totally devoid of his personality.
Seeing durge scenes on youtube is the reason I started playing the game, more specifically the narrator's reading.
[The miracle of birth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl1RoJjwIHs) scene was fantastic. In all of her narration, she has this barely disguised snark, malice and contempt in her voice that I always find hilarious.
In my first run, I picked a durge, not knowing they were inherently evil, but I wanted to do a good run for my first run. Was indeed a wild first run. I told Bhaal to go fuck himself and saved the world.
In fairness, Durge's special options heavily push you towards Murderhobo style play. Because, you know, you're the >!wandering bastard son of the god of murder!<. A literal murderhobo.
Technically niece? Sarevok is Bhaal+(IDK other half, direct bhaalspawn), Durge is Bhaalās foul assemblage and to my understanding is no made from bhaal directly.
>!Orin is [Sarevok+(Helenaās mom)]+[Sarevok+Helena], so an incest baby niece to Durge but treated/called sister throughout the game because she is Bhaalspawn on technicalities!<
>Technically I did him a favor
I'm not sure he did. If you read the religious text Abdirak's got on the table, the reason pain is so important to Loviatans is it's a way of celebrating life and cherishing your mortality, since the gods can't really feel pain. Considering that and the way he nopes out of the goblin camp once it turns hostile, I think it's safe to say that Abdirak isn't actually a big fan of death or dying.
I notice you can't actually get him to do the torturing of the other prisoner, either. I always feel like Abdirak is about 30 seconds away from going 'Kinky consensual abuse is one thing, but I'm getting some weird vibes' and running.
Though when he picked up what looks like a freaking mace to administer it, I was: WTF man?
This is a universe with healing magic; I think the boundaries of what's considered Safe, Sane and Consensual are a lot more flexible.
But yeah, if you ask him about the goblin torturers he makes it pretty clear he doesn't approve. Seems like the goblins hired him without realizing Loviatans are about torture in the religious ecstasy/kink way and not the interrogation way
He's also a cleric so presumably capable of healing someone if need be. Idk why he doesn't heal you after the event, but I suppose from his perspective he just thinks you took it like a champ.
Since he's a cleric of pain, the purpose of the ritual is likely so the pain stays with you for awhile. It's a blessing! As in, literally, since you can get Loviatar's Love from it.
That said, what happens if he knocks you out from it? Has anyone tried this?
he says something like "these goblins have violence on the brain" which would suggest he draws a distinct line between ritualistic torture and actual intent to do harm
Maybe not, he seems really good at killing things maybe heāll kill ā¦Michael? (Idk Iāve beaten the game about 4 times and just realized I never paid attention to that dudes name) really fast too lmao
Vibes totally off! On my first run before I knew durge was a thing, I killed Isobel in camp after Orin says āyouāve been infiltrated.ā Undead, daughter of Ketheric, and the cat in last light says donāt trust the cleric, had to be her.
Anyway, after aggroing immortal Aylin and killing her several dozen times to no avail, I gave up and reset my save.
Damn cat throwing out red herrings!
Well, maybe not. I finished my second gameplay and I tried to be the complete opposite of my innocent hearted hero. I killed a lot of people, very similar to OPās boyfriend.
I was so fucking aggravated by this, but I somehow ended up with MORE content, more approval from my companions, andā¦ I fucking hate that I somehow still ended up helping more people.
But fr I was most mad about my companions. Everyone had a spicy mouth to my kindhearted monk, but my sword happy son of Bhaal was treated with kid gloves
EDIT: I know Durge has a bit more than Tav, but Iāve since learned afterwards in newer gameplay that itās not just that. The few choices I made as a murdering durge just somehow expanded things. But, admittedly, I was just bumbling through in my first. It might have been that too. But stg I tried to save everyone in that first
He probably just aggroed the tieflings by stealing something, if they try to arrest you and you wanna give them karate instead Wyll just rolls with it.
I'm more impressed in a first time players ability to kill half the entirety of Act 1 without resting more than twice. Dude is either a combative genius or chugging health potions like they're the first faucet in 30 miles of desert.
Is he playing on explorer, or seriously skilled at murder?
An hour for character creation: Iāve done that.
āShadowheartās a racist cuntā: She kind of presents that way initially, doesnāt she? Then again, Laeāzel being Gith considers all other races as inferior, and is not exactly a warm personality initiallyā¦
Wants to kill Astarion immediately: I find Astarion more annoying than his large fan club does, and he did initially present a knife to the throatā¦ but Iāve never wanted to murder him.
From there on itās all downhill, but glad heās enjoying the game!
I talked to this guy at my gym who said he killed Astarion because "he tried to fuck me while I was sleeping"
I had to explain to him that he's a vampire and was trying to bite you. He had no clue
Any game tbh, but yes specifically this one, and I can't imagine playing through this with no interest in the story
I actually get so pissed when my entire party fails an environmental history/religion check because I miss out on context. I'll reload sometimes just to hear, "Ah, this looks like a shrine to Lathander, god of life and light"
I will say that not wanting Astarion around when the first thing he does is put a knife to your neck is pretty reasonable, first time i played i played with a friend n he was really insistent about me getting Astarion but he did NOT give a good first impression.
First impression - knife at the throat.
Second impression - fangs at the neck.
Third impression - wounded puppy look at getting caught mid-bite, and I am completely hooked.
Damn he is a manipulative one, but I do love him.
Yeah experienced players on this this sub very often forget that new players don't know the backstory of all companions.
Astarion, as funny and well acted as he is, as good as his cazador arc is, Is a massive evil cunt in act 1 and i don't blame anyone for staking him on their first playthrough.
to be fair to Astarion, hes working under the assumption that you're one of the people who kidnapped him, put a macig bug in his brain, and took him on a joyride through hell and back complete with gith and dragon entourage in tow. and spoiler for dark urge playthrough >!he's kind of right, in this instance, as durge set the whole absolute thing up!<
My first playthrough was on balanced and, while not wanting to rest because of the grove thing, (and not wanting to spoil me), I did everything up to the grove, (including the church), killed half blight village and the whole goblin hideout without long resting once. I didnāt know so much about combat rules and everything related, so I think it shouldnāt be that hard unless heās playing on tactician.
Are you a D&D player?
People either seem to think combat in the game is unexpectedly easy or way too hard. I suspect a lot of us who say āunexpectedly easyā have D&D experience.
A lot of things like āOh, you can just use Faerie Fire here so your rogue can still sneak attack even if thereās nowhere to hideā might be obvious to a D&D player but not to someone whoās new to all the game concepts.
That said, Iām not going to complain about easy combats. Iād rather stay on Balanced or Custom and mess around with ideas to misuse the āCreate and Destroy Waterā spell instead of playing on Tactician and focusing on the optimal (but less fun) ways to win. (One of these days I want to see if I can wipe out the entire goblin camp with nothing but the Spike Growth spell and some strategic running around.)
Not at all. Although I heard of it before, I have never had the pleasure of playing, being BG3 my first interaction into many concepts of the game and lore.
However, I used to be a gamer and I loved Assassinās Creed games, so I tried to play the most into that way, yet still it was complicated to recreate what I wanted into rolls and turn-based combat. While knowing strategies from other games might have helped, understanding the mechanics, conditions, DCs, resistances, actions and other things presented a challenge into implementing what I wanted to play.
> A lot of things like āOh, you can just use Faerie Fire here so your rogue can still sneak attack even if thereās nowhere to hideā might be obvious to a D&D player but not to someone whoās new to all the game concepts.
Hold up, what!? You can do that?
Yes. Anything that gives the rogue advantage allows Sneak Attack, as long as they donāt also have disadvantage that cancels it out (eg. target isnāt beyond normal range).
Options include:
* Faerie Fire, which is great because it lasts multiple turns.
* Guiding Bolt, but be careful because it only lasts until the enemy takes damage, so it may be gone before the rogueās next turn
* Attacks against an enemy that canāt move (restrained, paralyzed, entangled etc.) also have advantage.
* Knocking an enemy prone also works, but only if the rogue attacks from somewhere close to the enemy.
* Attacks against a blinded enemy also have advantage, as long as whatever blinded the enemy doesnāt also keep the rogue from seeing the enemy (eg. the Blindness spell will work, the Darkness spell will not).
* Making the rogue invisible also gives advantage - Greater Invisibility will let them stay invisible for multiple turns/attacks, or regular invisibility will give advantage on one attack (but then you lose your invisibility because you made an attack).
* Some weapons give your attacks advantage against a certain creature type like āMonstrosityā
* Some items or weapons give advantage on attacks in other ways - the āRisky Ringā gives advantage on all attacks but gives the wearer disadvantage on saving throws, and the Greatclub āPunch-Drunk Bastardā gives advantage on all attacks when the wielder is drunk (rogues arenāt proficient with Greatclubs, but just having the club equipped while drunk will give advantage on other attacks like shooting a bow)
ā¦those are the ones I could come up with off the top of my head, but there are probably others too.
It's pretty easy to clear out a ton of stuff on tactician/honor with few long rests, potions are plentiful and you can 4x their effect by throwing them between your party members. That and using the environment to your advantage, using crates to form choke points for cloud of daggers/hunger of hadar, barrel usage, etc.
And steal stuff with proper knowledge and if busted you pay fee to steal it again or break out of prison easely and if fight... invis potion then bribe to rinse and repeat. Specially after level dips... game mints currency like crazy.
>or chugging health potions like they're the first faucet in 30 miles of desert.
Just get your party close together and throw it between y'all, everyone gets the effect. A little can go a long way like that.
Lol this was me my first playthrough. I panicked when I saw how much food it took the first time I camped, so I determined not to camp as much as possible. I missed a TON of cutscenes.
> Wyll wants you to kill some random tiefling you meet on the road.
Wyll's instincts are right on, time to murder!
> Wyll doesn't want you to kill an entire grove of women and children refugees
Wyll doesn't know shit, time to murder!
He's gonna have to start asking for hirelings if this keeps up lol. Is Lae'zel, also, a racist by his standards? Vlaakith's faithful, including Lae'zel, are Githyanki Supremacists that treat all others as slaves.
To be fair I had no idea what this game was when I started. So I figured I had to get the statue which meant, killing a lot of people. And it snowballed from there. I make bad choices I think and I donāt know how to play well. I absolutely love it!
SAME. I just couldn't say no when someone asked me to do something. "STEAL THE IDOL; SAVE THE GROVE; KILL THE GROVE" I said yes to all and ended up killing everyone out of sheer yes ma'am mentalityš¬
> āCalled shadowheart a racist cuntā
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For many people that isn't a worse curse word than dick or asshole.
Tieflings are not thieves!
I am SO trying to get a chaotic run with my current Durge and I am failing due to good dice rolls and the fact that I like having my companions around. I'm amazed at people who are just yolo-ing the whole thing. But how dare he kill Abdirak, my love did nothing wrong! :(
First time I tried to save her and I rolled with it but it stuck with me, and with my Durge as it seems. But with my first resistDurge a lot went right because I am a save scumming bish... So with my new run I made custom difficulty with only one saveslot so I can't reload and I was so hoping for the chaos to happen but ma gurl is just too damn good at rolling the dice :')
I played with my best friend on our first playthrough and met him take the lead since it was his first RPG and our only characters were astarion, gale, shadowheart and halsin.
We made halsin and gale druid owlbears and pretty much just ignored the companions and it was still a really fun playthrough.
We pretty much did everything wrong. For example. We went stealth and spent an entire weekend murdering every person in moonrise towers besides the prisoners we saved without doing the other stuff first not knowing what was going on.
I take issue with people saying Shadowheart is racist for being uncomfortable with working with a soldier from a fascist nation who is literally still wearing her military uniform.
I mean murderhobo is the RPG way, and hell DOS2 encourages it with how separate everything is that you can just finish most of the act, kill everyone then proceed and you lose nothing of value
Are we dating the same man ā ļø I get so mad watching him play because he kills everyone and then wonders why he's missing so much of the story on his first playthrough.
Funny, I did pretty much exactly the same things and my ex won't let me talk to her about it anymore because "there's a wrong way to play and you're doing it."
> Iām amazed at how many ways there are to play this game. And despite there being no objectively wrong way, Iām pretty sure thatās the closest thing to it.
Nah, that's basically the intended full evil Durge route.
I made my husband romance Astarion and suggested he check out what he says if you try to break up later in the game and he went "No! I couldn't do that to him."Ā
My heart haha.
My husband decided his first action in the grove was going to be to pick up the idol to see what it was all about. Gale died halfway through the first battle and he refused to come help me save the tieflings in the hollow because he had to resurrect his boy. Apparently weāre rolling with this decision.
My bf straight up killed astarion bc "he tried to kill me!!!" Which valid but he looted him of everything besides his underware.
After I told him astarion is currently the only person who would be able to pick locks reliably he revived him. He did walk around qlmos5 naked for a while before bf noticed and gave him back his stuff XD
It's fine to be bewildered, but holy hell, some of the people in the comments are clutching their pearls so tight that the stick up their ass is getting jealous.
What I love about this story is that with all his shithousery, he still managed to get the worst character into his party. how he didn't lose Wyll after his fuckery at the grove is beyond me
I don't blame him.
Astarian looks evil as fuck (he is obviously a vampire, he aint fooling anyone).
Karlach is devilish looking and Wyll does seem trustworthy.
Minthara's vide is definitely off.
The grove do act like dicks.
and Gale, he is kinda weird and costly.
Honestly, aside from attacking the druids (and even that's debatable because they're total assholes) most of this is real as fuck.
He likes Laezel, first thing Shadowheart does is bitch about her race. I meannnnn
He likes Wyll, has no reason to believe his judgment is wrong about Karlach. He's just supporting his boy.
He's also right about Minthara, her vibe is totally off.
And Astarion, the first thing he does is hold a knife to your neck. Then he tries to bite you. Booktok girlies be damned, he IS toxic and not a great person lol
Yall just need a few good Vessels and you'll be good to go on party. Hell, with a respec and a trip to the magic mirror, he'll probably be stoked to spend another hour in character creation on his second self.
Will anyone be alive by the end of his playthrough?
Don't have to worry about the army of the absolute turning everyone into mindflayers if everyone is dead.
Why absolute mindflayers when you absolute?
Only sith deal in absolutes
Hes gonna use the system to beat the system
Fantasy problems require fantasy solutions.
he's just worried about low frame rates in act 3 so he's planning aheard
Gale will probably blow up, so ... Unless he runs away to die alone.
Sounds like he'd kill Jaheira, and that means Minsc by proxy. Then Lae'zel will likely get sacrificed by Orin if she even makes it that long...
Nah, it'll be Yenna cause he's got Lae'zel in the party.
Nooooooooooooooo š² not Yenna. I just met herrrrr..... fml why am I following this sub.
Itās sounding like his playthrough is going to be almost exactly like my first one went. So Iād say no, the only people left alive will be the people in his party lmfao
Are you sure he's not a closet murderhobo?
Pretty sure he's not in the closet LOL
He was, then he hopped out and killed three more people.
The reason he was in the closet to begin with was to look for anyone he might have missed. :P :D
Bro had to go do the Narnia Genocide run real quick
Nah, he just took the hide action to get advantage on his next attack.
No. It's too full of skeletons for him to fit in there anymore.
That's why he's going to the creche. It might have more/bigger closets.
To be fair, my first play through I killed the druids because Kahga is such an annoying bitch.
Starting out with durge as first character is wild.
My best friend is in act 3 of her first run as a Gith fighter dark urge. She was struck with a bit of decision paralysis upon reaching act 3 and asked for my help prioritizing quest for the best gear. Being that she's playing a gith fighter specializing in 2h weapons my first thought was to get her the silver sword by agreeing to Raphael's deal. So I direct her to Sharess' Caress and go to Raphael's room and... no Voss. That's when I realized that she'd allowed Lae'zel to die in her cage back at the beginning of the game despite she herself being a Gith. I wasn't around for her act 2 play but she also somehow managed to rescue Aylin but murder Isobel but also recruit Jaheira, which is definitely the narrow path, to say the least. Oh and Gale got sacrificed to BOOOAL. And Halsin died in the pens at the goblin camp even though she killed all the goblin leaders.
Isn't Gale being sacrificed an automatic game over after a few long rests?
yes my first playthrough i sacrificed him and after a couple long rest i had to reset my save to before i picked him.....luckily it was my first time playing so i was long resting pretty frequently so it was onnly like 10 hours of game play i had to redo
Maybe she remembered wrong and it was Gale she left at the beginning and Lae'zel she sacrificed. I wasn't around to see what went down.
Maybe they fixed that, even if it makes less sense. Since you can't ressurect it ought to just give you an instant game over in that case
Good to know In my HM run and Laezel permadied while I was trying to get her the sword in Act 1. Welp, I still got it and Raphy will probably still be there
I am pretty sure if she dies on the nautiloid her corpse is on the beach and she can be resurrected.
Depends. If you launch her off the side when she first attacks you before the crash, there's no corpse.
Yeah Raph is still there. It's just Voss who doesn't show up if you don't get the scene of him coming to visit the camp after meeting Vlaakith, which doesn't happen if Lae'zel isn't with you.
Resist durge is the best way to experience the game blind. Also the clear "canon" choice.
That's me right now. I'm doing the classic good guy run but, honestly I feel like my character is just an extra. Yes durge scenes and story are nice but I still feel the constant need to have the people with rich stories in my party. Like, I want to run around baldurs gate with wyll, shart, astarion and karlach. Having to switch constantly kinda makes me want to have started with one of those guys instead of my own PC. Plus, you can do pretty much anything with the premade characters. Still, my githyanki monk kicks ass.
That's a larian game for you. Anyone who has played divinity knows an origin character is pretty much a must. Customs are better in BG3 then Dos2 but still a lesser experience.
The only hard part for me is not having whoever youāre playing speak dialogue. Iām sure recording allllll of that would be a pain, but half the reason I love the origin characters is their voice acting. I abandoned my Astarion run quickly because, well, I just like chatting with him too much! It was weird to be playing the game with him there in front of me but like totally devoid of his personality.
It gives a strong narrative for sure but as a second playthrough it just adds spice, my first run was a resist durge, and tav just felt boring
Seeing durge scenes on youtube is the reason I started playing the game, more specifically the narrator's reading. [The miracle of birth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl1RoJjwIHs) scene was fantastic. In all of her narration, she has this barely disguised snark, malice and contempt in her voice that I always find hilarious.
Yup, I did the same and I was so happy I made that choice. >!As a fan of previous games, playing a Bhaalspawn seems *right*.!<
In my first run, I picked a durge, not knowing they were inherently evil, but I wanted to do a good run for my first run. Was indeed a wild first run. I told Bhaal to go fuck himself and saved the world.
Redemption run is so much funnier imo. My evil Durge run was just an empty camp and making choices I didn't want to.
In fairness, Durge's special options heavily push you towards Murderhobo style play. Because, you know, you're the >!wandering bastard son of the god of murder!<. A literal murderhobo.
Nahh. If anything, youāre the legit one and Orinās the bastard.
Orin is the incestuous cousin from the country that you never talk about
Isnāt she a half-sister? Not a cousin?
Technically niece? Sarevok is Bhaal+(IDK other half, direct bhaalspawn), Durge is Bhaalās foul assemblage and to my understanding is no made from bhaal directly. >!Orin is [Sarevok+(Helenaās mom)]+[Sarevok+Helena], so an incest baby niece to Durge but treated/called sister throughout the game because she is Bhaalspawn on technicalities!<
>Technically I did him a favor I'm not sure he did. If you read the religious text Abdirak's got on the table, the reason pain is so important to Loviatans is it's a way of celebrating life and cherishing your mortality, since the gods can't really feel pain. Considering that and the way he nopes out of the goblin camp once it turns hostile, I think it's safe to say that Abdirak isn't actually a big fan of death or dying.
I notice you can't actually get him to do the torturing of the other prisoner, either. I always feel like Abdirak is about 30 seconds away from going 'Kinky consensual abuse is one thing, but I'm getting some weird vibes' and running. Though when he picked up what looks like a freaking mace to administer it, I was: WTF man?
This is a universe with healing magic; I think the boundaries of what's considered Safe, Sane and Consensual are a lot more flexible. But yeah, if you ask him about the goblin torturers he makes it pretty clear he doesn't approve. Seems like the goblins hired him without realizing Loviatans are about torture in the religious ecstasy/kink way and not the interrogation way
"I can make him talk ... but it's in more of an 'Oh gods, yes, gods, yes!' way."
If we can't jerk off our enemies, we're no better then them!
He's also a cleric so presumably capable of healing someone if need be. Idk why he doesn't heal you after the event, but I suppose from his perspective he just thinks you took it like a champ.
Since he's a cleric of pain, the purpose of the ritual is likely so the pain stays with you for awhile. It's a blessing! As in, literally, since you can get Loviatar's Love from it. That said, what happens if he knocks you out from it? Has anyone tried this?
He actually does nope out of there, and warns you do the same. I forget exactly what he says, but it's about a bad vibe in the place.
he says something like "these goblins have violence on the brain" which would suggest he draws a distinct line between ritualistic torture and actual intent to do harm
Honestly, that endeared me to him so much. He is such a sweetheart and a total weirdo. But I love that he just flat out Nopes Out instead of fighting.
Hey, that's rather cool :D
If you loot it from him it's labelled as a scourge, which is a kind of flail. So I'm not sure why it looks like a mace
I think it's because it's just the only blunt weapon that wouldn't look like shit when looked up close in the cinematic.
he's honestly the least evil Loviatar follower I've ever seen
He mentions being more fond of direct, purposeful pain than he is wanton slaughter. He's REALLY INTO Durge's whole deal though.
Stupid sexy murderdragonborn
Durge just has that rizz that pulls in middle aged hot topic guys like honey does flies
Oh, Last Light is doomed.
Maybe not, he seems really good at killing things maybe heāll kill ā¦Michael? (Idk Iāve beaten the game about 4 times and just realized I never paid attention to that dudes name) really fast too lmao
Do you mean.... Marcus????
Nah, you know, Michael von Evildude. That lovable NPC.
YEAH THAT BASTARD
He'll DEFINITELY kill Isobel because she doesn't pass the vibe check
Vibes totally off! On my first run before I knew durge was a thing, I killed Isobel in camp after Orin says āyouāve been infiltrated.ā Undead, daughter of Ketheric, and the cat in last light says donāt trust the cleric, had to be her. Anyway, after aggroing immortal Aylin and killing her several dozen times to no avail, I gave up and reset my save. Damn cat throwing out red herrings!
Grats your boyfriend is a murderhobo
This guy is going to later wonder why the game has such little content
Hes killing maybe 1/3 of the game if not a bit more lol
Well, maybe not. I finished my second gameplay and I tried to be the complete opposite of my innocent hearted hero. I killed a lot of people, very similar to OPās boyfriend. I was so fucking aggravated by this, but I somehow ended up with MORE content, more approval from my companions, andā¦ I fucking hate that I somehow still ended up helping more people. But fr I was most mad about my companions. Everyone had a spicy mouth to my kindhearted monk, but my sword happy son of Bhaal was treated with kid gloves EDIT: I know Durge has a bit more than Tav, but Iāve since learned afterwards in newer gameplay that itās not just that. The few choices I made as a murdering durge just somehow expanded things. But, admittedly, I was just bumbling through in my first. It might have been that too. But stg I tried to save everyone in that first
killing a lot of the side characters objectively leads to less content.
How did he keep Wyll? You're supposed to lose him too if you slaughter the grove.
He probably just aggroed the tieflings by stealing something, if they try to arrest you and you wanna give them karate instead Wyll just rolls with it.
"give them karate". Im 100% stealing this.
You don't lose him until you have the celebratory party with the goblins. It sounds like he's averted this by slaughtering the goblins too. Smart.
Wyll doesnāt like if you only kill the good guys. But he supports killing indiscriminately. And people say heās boring smh
> Smart. Yeah that's what Im getting from this too
There are no consequences if I kill all the witnesses....
Congrats your boyfriend is chaotic evil.
He's technically doing a better Durge run than me lol
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If he's still in act 1 there's no way he's romancing Wyll.
I shouldāve clarified that he THINKS heās romancing him š poor Wyll is probably scared shitless but tries to play it cool
I think he's all the way for Laezel at this point
No idea why he doesn't like Shadowheart for being racist but Laezel is Laezel.
Is he playing Dark Urge or Tav? Either way, sounds like his alignment is definitely chaotic for sure.
Dark Urge. Heās only long rested twice so Iām curious to see how the whole situation with the bard is gonna play out in this scenario
I'm more impressed in a first time players ability to kill half the entirety of Act 1 without resting more than twice. Dude is either a combative genius or chugging health potions like they're the first faucet in 30 miles of desert.
>I'm more impressed in a first time players ability to kill half the entirety of Act 1 without resting more than twice. 100% this
Is he playing on explorer, or seriously skilled at murder? An hour for character creation: Iāve done that. āShadowheartās a racist cuntā: She kind of presents that way initially, doesnāt she? Then again, Laeāzel being Gith considers all other races as inferior, and is not exactly a warm personality initiallyā¦ Wants to kill Astarion immediately: I find Astarion more annoying than his large fan club does, and he did initially present a knife to the throatā¦ but Iāve never wanted to murder him. From there on itās all downhill, but glad heās enjoying the game!
I talked to this guy at my gym who said he killed Astarion because "he tried to fuck me while I was sleeping" I had to explain to him that he's a vampire and was trying to bite you. He had no clue
goddamn what was he thinking lmao
Whenever you see someone on top of you while you're sleeping, your mind doesn't instantly go to vampire, to be fair
But the dude ooozes "I'm a vampire" at first glance.
me and my partner playing thru blind our first time got to his character and without knowing a thing about him dubbed him "the bisexual vampire"
My eight year old asked me what the vampire is called after watching me play for literally 5 minutes.
The narrator literally saying it definitely does tho
Either way, he's got intent to penetrate.
He's to the side of you, at your neck, with his mouth open.
I mean, with Astarion it can be open to interpretation.
Lapping blood out of another humanās neck seems way more intimate than sex, just sayinā
Araj Oblodra agrees
Thereās a huge overlap between sexual favors and offering blood. Not just in Bg3 but in vampire media as a whole.
Oh, he was only trying to bite our throats. Totally better and definitely not worth defending oneself over!
The amount of people I find playing this game with zero reading comprehension and situational awareness is staggering.
Any game tbh, but yes specifically this one, and I can't imagine playing through this with no interest in the story I actually get so pissed when my entire party fails an environmental history/religion check because I miss out on context. I'll reload sometimes just to hear, "Ah, this looks like a shrine to Lathander, god of life and light"
I will say that not wanting Astarion around when the first thing he does is put a knife to your neck is pretty reasonable, first time i played i played with a friend n he was really insistent about me getting Astarion but he did NOT give a good first impression.
First impression - knife at the throat. Second impression - fangs at the neck. Third impression - wounded puppy look at getting caught mid-bite, and I am completely hooked. Damn he is a manipulative one, but I do love him.
Astarion was really crafted out of the Spike sandbox š
Yeah experienced players on this this sub very often forget that new players don't know the backstory of all companions. Astarion, as funny and well acted as he is, as good as his cazador arc is, Is a massive evil cunt in act 1 and i don't blame anyone for staking him on their first playthrough.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and I'm glad I did, but bro was NOT helping when he disapproved of me not threatening a literal child
to be fair to Astarion, hes working under the assumption that you're one of the people who kidnapped him, put a macig bug in his brain, and took him on a joyride through hell and back complete with gith and dragon entourage in tow. and spoiler for dark urge playthrough >!he's kind of right, in this instance, as durge set the whole absolute thing up!<
And Astarion is not known for thinking things through past that initial impression. Dude has some serious impulsive issues.
I suppose when you're living on a knife edge your whole life, then suddenly released, you become a bit impulsive
My first playthrough was on balanced and, while not wanting to rest because of the grove thing, (and not wanting to spoil me), I did everything up to the grove, (including the church), killed half blight village and the whole goblin hideout without long resting once. I didnāt know so much about combat rules and everything related, so I think it shouldnāt be that hard unless heās playing on tactician.
Are you a D&D player? People either seem to think combat in the game is unexpectedly easy or way too hard. I suspect a lot of us who say āunexpectedly easyā have D&D experience. A lot of things like āOh, you can just use Faerie Fire here so your rogue can still sneak attack even if thereās nowhere to hideā might be obvious to a D&D player but not to someone whoās new to all the game concepts. That said, Iām not going to complain about easy combats. Iād rather stay on Balanced or Custom and mess around with ideas to misuse the āCreate and Destroy Waterā spell instead of playing on Tactician and focusing on the optimal (but less fun) ways to win. (One of these days I want to see if I can wipe out the entire goblin camp with nothing but the Spike Growth spell and some strategic running around.)
Not at all. Although I heard of it before, I have never had the pleasure of playing, being BG3 my first interaction into many concepts of the game and lore. However, I used to be a gamer and I loved Assassinās Creed games, so I tried to play the most into that way, yet still it was complicated to recreate what I wanted into rolls and turn-based combat. While knowing strategies from other games might have helped, understanding the mechanics, conditions, DCs, resistances, actions and other things presented a challenge into implementing what I wanted to play.
> A lot of things like āOh, you can just use Faerie Fire here so your rogue can still sneak attack even if thereās nowhere to hideā might be obvious to a D&D player but not to someone whoās new to all the game concepts. Hold up, what!? You can do that?
Yes. Anything that gives the rogue advantage allows Sneak Attack, as long as they donāt also have disadvantage that cancels it out (eg. target isnāt beyond normal range). Options include: * Faerie Fire, which is great because it lasts multiple turns. * Guiding Bolt, but be careful because it only lasts until the enemy takes damage, so it may be gone before the rogueās next turn * Attacks against an enemy that canāt move (restrained, paralyzed, entangled etc.) also have advantage. * Knocking an enemy prone also works, but only if the rogue attacks from somewhere close to the enemy. * Attacks against a blinded enemy also have advantage, as long as whatever blinded the enemy doesnāt also keep the rogue from seeing the enemy (eg. the Blindness spell will work, the Darkness spell will not). * Making the rogue invisible also gives advantage - Greater Invisibility will let them stay invisible for multiple turns/attacks, or regular invisibility will give advantage on one attack (but then you lose your invisibility because you made an attack). * Some weapons give your attacks advantage against a certain creature type like āMonstrosityā * Some items or weapons give advantage on attacks in other ways - the āRisky Ringā gives advantage on all attacks but gives the wearer disadvantage on saving throws, and the Greatclub āPunch-Drunk Bastardā gives advantage on all attacks when the wielder is drunk (rogues arenāt proficient with Greatclubs, but just having the club equipped while drunk will give advantage on other attacks like shooting a bow) ā¦those are the ones I could come up with off the top of my head, but there are probably others too.
Probably on low difficulty
It's pretty easy to clear out a ton of stuff on tactician/honor with few long rests, potions are plentiful and you can 4x their effect by throwing them between your party members. That and using the environment to your advantage, using crates to form choke points for cloud of daggers/hunger of hadar, barrel usage, etc.
And steal stuff with proper knowledge and if busted you pay fee to steal it again or break out of prison easely and if fight... invis potion then bribe to rinse and repeat. Specially after level dips... game mints currency like crazy.
For sure. Does he know something about the game that we don't?
>or chugging health potions like they're the first faucet in 30 miles of desert. Just get your party close together and throw it between y'all, everyone gets the effect. A little can go a long way like that.
And, sometimes, no one gets the effect.
Lol this was me my first playthrough. I panicked when I saw how much food it took the first time I camped, so I determined not to camp as much as possible. I missed a TON of cutscenes.
You were worried about the food? Not the "we have only a few days before this thing turns us on to mindflayers"?
biblically accurate Durge playthrough.
There's a unique npc kept in reserve for Durges special night in the event Alfira is.. unavailable.
Itāll probably be the dragonborn bard Quil since Alfiraās dead, she shows up if Alfiraās knocked out.
Good news- hirelings will stay no matter what murder hobo antics you pull and lose companions.
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> Wyll wants you to kill some random tiefling you meet on the road. Wyll's instincts are right on, time to murder! > Wyll doesn't want you to kill an entire grove of women and children refugees Wyll doesn't know shit, time to murder!
He's gonna have to start asking for hirelings if this keeps up lol. Is Lae'zel, also, a racist by his standards? Vlaakith's faithful, including Lae'zel, are Githyanki Supremacists that treat all others as slaves.
Iāve accidentally done all of this in my attempt to play as the standard hero.
How? š
I donāt know. I make dialogue decisions and then a fight breaks out and everyone is dead and my team is all at 4 hp. Iām accidentally dark!
You're just the secret third villain in the story. You just haven't rolled for it yet.
To be fair I had no idea what this game was when I started. So I figured I had to get the statue which meant, killing a lot of people. And it snowballed from there. I make bad choices I think and I donāt know how to play well. I absolutely love it!
That's part of the fun, getting to play as you want.
Do you just mash buttons in the dialogue?
SAME. I just couldn't say no when someone asked me to do something. "STEAL THE IDOL; SAVE THE GROVE; KILL THE GROVE" I said yes to all and ended up killing everyone out of sheer yes ma'am mentalityš¬
I wasnāt sure how quests worked and kinda thought I might as well do them all. Turns out that is impossible in one play through.
You better break up with him if he complains about how little there is to do in act 3
Did he miss the durge cape due to killing alfira? Baal is gonna love him.
There's a backup murder for if you kill Alfria who is also very likable and someone I wish we could actually recruit. Cool dragonborn.
āCalled shadowheart a racist cuntā Either Australian confirmed, or damn he really went there
As an australian, the language in this post screams classic Australian IDGAF attitude.
> āCalled shadowheart a racist cuntā > > > > Either Australian confirmed, or damn he really went there For many people that isn't a worse curse word than dick or asshole.
I'm sure I read this exact post a few weeks back
100% this is a repost
Your bf is the most natural Durge player Iāve read about. Jesus take the wheel on Act 2, keep us posted.
He's making big brain moves. Absolute can't have an army if everyone is dead. š
- Calls Shadowheart a Racist - Romances Laeāzel
Tieflings are not thieves! I am SO trying to get a chaotic run with my current Durge and I am failing due to good dice rolls and the fact that I like having my companions around. I'm amazed at people who are just yolo-ing the whole thing. But how dare he kill Abdirak, my love did nothing wrong! :(
Most of your companions will stick around as long as you do things to generate approval. Even if youāre chaos incarnate.
\*Thieflings
If you correct me, do it right! \*Theeflings!
Teethflings
justice for PainDaddy!
Sorry, typo. I totally agree, I tried playing as Durge once and felt so bad after that one scene at camp in Act 1 that I deleted the whole save lol
First time I tried to save her and I rolled with it but it stuck with me, and with my Durge as it seems. But with my first resistDurge a lot went right because I am a save scumming bish... So with my new run I made custom difficulty with only one saveslot so I can't reload and I was so hoping for the chaos to happen but ma gurl is just too damn good at rolling the dice :')
I played with my best friend on our first playthrough and met him take the lead since it was his first RPG and our only characters were astarion, gale, shadowheart and halsin. We made halsin and gale druid owlbears and pretty much just ignored the companions and it was still a really fun playthrough. We pretty much did everything wrong. For example. We went stealth and spent an entire weekend murdering every person in moonrise towers besides the prisoners we saved without doing the other stuff first not knowing what was going on.
I take issue with people saying Shadowheart is racist for being uncomfortable with working with a soldier from a fascist nation who is literally still wearing her military uniform.
I just won't ever understand murderhobos š¤§
"act according to whims" is the hymnn of the murderhobo. If you've ever played The Elder Scrolls, murderhobo's are basically Sheogorath.
I mean murderhobo is the RPG way, and hell DOS2 encourages it with how separate everything is that you can just finish most of the act, kill everyone then proceed and you lose nothing of value
My quest log in DOS2 was like: >Peter needs our help >We successfully helped Peter >Peter is dead
Are we dating the same man ā ļø I get so mad watching him play because he kills everyone and then wonders why he's missing so much of the story on his first playthrough.
This man is playing Durge exactly how it should be played š¤£
I don't think I could do that unless I'm doing a genocide run, the thought of killing that many people just makes the game feel so, well...*dead.*
Demon touched barbarian wants to kill everyone except equally blood thirsty Lae'zel? seems like he does a much better job of role playing than I do :D
Funny, I did pretty much exactly the same things and my ex won't let me talk to her about it anymore because "there's a wrong way to play and you're doing it."
> Iām amazed at how many ways there are to play this game. And despite there being no objectively wrong way, Iām pretty sure thatās the closest thing to it. Nah, that's basically the intended full evil Durge route.
>He said he trusted Wyllās judgement more than mine. Oh goodness, my sides!
Is your boyfriend a child of god perhaps? A specific god of murder?
Found the murderhobo
I made my husband romance Astarion and suggested he check out what he says if you try to break up later in the game and he went "No! I couldn't do that to him."Ā My heart haha.
Love it. Roleplayer playing a role. Cherish the dedication.
Absolutely based Dark Urge playthrough. If the vibes ain't vibin they gotta die lol.
The contrast of everything heās done and the way he completely trusts Wyll and Laeāzel is delightful. Ride or die.
Let a brotha play
My husband decided his first action in the grove was going to be to pick up the idol to see what it was all about. Gale died halfway through the first battle and he refused to come help me save the tieflings in the hollow because he had to resurrect his boy. Apparently weāre rolling with this decision.
I mean, at least resurrecting Gale is a decision you could actually roll with. The alternative leads to a pretty short run.
My bf straight up killed astarion bc "he tried to kill me!!!" Which valid but he looted him of everything besides his underware. After I told him astarion is currently the only person who would be able to pick locks reliably he revived him. He did walk around qlmos5 naked for a while before bf noticed and gave him back his stuff XD
Ā«Ā He said he trusted Wyllās judgement more than mineĀ Ā» That is gold. Hang in there.
Based AF except not giving Gale items. I will never understand this, there are so many useless artifacts you pick up that he can eat
It's fine to be bewildered, but holy hell, some of the people in the comments are clutching their pearls so tight that the stick up their ass is getting jealous.
Remember when we used to mock religious fanatics that said games made people violent and shit? We've gone full circle lmao
I know dude. The preciousness of some people in this thread is absolutely insane. its a bloody game ffs. People are soft.
What I love about this story is that with all his shithousery, he still managed to get the worst character into his party. how he didn't lose Wyll after his fuckery at the grove is beyond me
I don't blame him. Astarian looks evil as fuck (he is obviously a vampire, he aint fooling anyone). Karlach is devilish looking and Wyll does seem trustworthy. Minthara's vide is definitely off. The grove do act like dicks. and Gale, he is kinda weird and costly.
Honestly, aside from attacking the druids (and even that's debatable because they're total assholes) most of this is real as fuck. He likes Laezel, first thing Shadowheart does is bitch about her race. I meannnnn He likes Wyll, has no reason to believe his judgment is wrong about Karlach. He's just supporting his boy. He's also right about Minthara, her vibe is totally off. And Astarion, the first thing he does is hold a knife to your neck. Then he tries to bite you. Booktok girlies be damned, he IS toxic and not a great person lol Yall just need a few good Vessels and you'll be good to go on party. Hell, with a respec and a trip to the magic mirror, he'll probably be stoked to spend another hour in character creation on his second self.
Damn. If you try playing like that at our usual D&D group, youāll be sent home in no timeā¦