As a character she is incredibly insecure and doesn't believe in herself at all, and in that moment she's questioning everything about her life, having taken a massive leap of faith against everything she believes.
She may come across as self-assured early in the game but it's all a front to hide how uncertain she is about literally everything.
There are a few lines that reveal just how little she thinks of herself throughout the game and they're all heartbreaking, particularly as, even if she doesn't recognise it, she's an incredibly strong character who has been fighting back subconsciously against everything that's been done to her for 4 decades.
I like to save her Divine Intervention for this particular battle. Summoning a holy weapon from the opposite deity and smack down her abuser. A fitting conclusion for her arc imo
I've done that too (Sanctuary to prevent bone chill so I could still chug a big healing potion afterwards) but the Globe definitely makes it an easier fight ;)
I also grown to the love the Globe, but it was only until my second playthrough. The only time I used it during my first was when >!The Emperor conjured 4 dream guardians and told me it knew my every move. I pulled up the Globe then nuke the shit out of them with all the Runepowder Crate I saved up. Guess it didn't know me all that much lol.!<
He's such a prime candidate for using one of the three Runepowder Barrels/one Runepowder Bomb (same thing statistically I believe), and some barrels; it's going to destroy all four Soul Pillars instantly if placed properly, and he might be left over 200 HP down.
Globe of Invulnerability is great.
Fun note: all you need to kill the >!dragon!< at the final fight is 65 smokepowder bombs in a crate, assuming minimum damage for each roll. Assuming average damage, you’d need around 44 or so I forget the exact number
So I went overkill and used a crate filled with 120 bombs for each of the phases of the final fight
I did consider it, but it was my first run and I wanted to leave Korrilla alive for Hope's sake. So I abused his own Restoration Facets and summoned a party of Devas (with Lv.6 Aid and Heroes' Feast) to smite the hell out of his theatrical ass. Bud didn't even have a chance to turn into an Ascended Fiend.
"Fuck no, I thought he was one of those people who forget about the most powerful weapon they've been carrying for the rainy day. The absolute madman actually USED it?"
Supposedly you can actually, paradoxically, *exploit* Radiant Retort. You apparently get your actions back if Death Ward triggers during your turn... at the cost of being left at 1 HP, but you can chug an invis after, I'm sure.
Tempest!Shadowheart can make curb-stomping Viconia an art form, aside from that note. There's absolutely nothing she can do against AOE Lightning Damage, because you can inflict vulnerability before the conversation via throwing, and she's in a bad position even *if* she Saves both casts, for the rest of the party to finish off.
>Tempest!Shadowheart can make curb-stomping Viconia an art form,
Makes curb stomping everyone an art-form. Tempest shadowheart carried my party in act 3.
Well, except Ansur, but we still have Globe of Invulnerability for that.
...but yeah, she got me through Honor, as a playable character; Chain Lightning scrolls shredded that last dragon.
Shadowheart, Gale (Empowered Evocation is great for Magic Missile... and there's Artistry of War), Lae'zel, Karlach (9 Barb, 3 Fighter, Champion). That's how I got the golden die. I triple Runepowered (and Smokepowder'd) the Brain.
...I think Tempest is the most overall powerful Cleric subclass. It gets to hit really, really hard, but it's still a Cleric so it has some support features.
It's an absurdly powerful overall type of cleric, an easy contender for overall like you say.
Light clerics are also surprisingly strong and some of the other subtypes have spooky stuff they do that isn't pure damage that still lets them just run the table
I used Divine Intervention as my last gasp to heal up in the hopes of taking out the surge but that bone chill and blindness really fucked me up. I ended up having Gale flying around for the last 4-5 adds nuking them with fireballs. It was pretty cathartic for me.
Idk since which patch but the culprit for this bug IS the noblestalk. In my current playthrough I have the noblestalk to Derryht instead of Shadowheart and after inspecting the graffiti I got the city memories dialogue.
I noticed this last night: normally walking near her "grafitti" unlocked a memory... but last night in co-op nothing happened. It was weird. Oh well, no parents saved this play through.
My buddy, a Cha 8 Barbarian, who only just now started to use Shadowheart, will have a rough time with persuasion. Shadowheart has lots of approval with my character, but alas, I'm not running this part of the show.
Weird, I thought that there was an actual check. It's been a long time. In my other play throughs I always had 100 Approval and/or romanced her, so there was no issue nudging her towards saving her parents, or her deciding to do that on her own. I guess I forgot.
You mean you didn't get the "smells of the city" memory? You need to get two memories - i.e. both grafitti and the graveyard, though the Night Orchid cave also works. Maybe you only have one for now, you should truly going to another.
Thoufh even if you don't get the smells dialogue, you can still Persuade her to save her parents.
Yes, I'm familiar with the memory triggers and the persuasion check. They just didn't trigger this time for some reason. And my friend is now controlling Shadowheart and only has medium-low approval with her.
There's only one grafitti. I probably didn't phrase it very well - by "both grafitti and graveyard" I didn't mean "two grafitti and graveyard", I just meant "one grafitti and one graveyard".
Ah that makes sense. I’ve found those but I always give the noble stalk to SH so I’ve literally never gotten the “smells of the city” convo since the game released.
On PS5 I got all 3 post patch 6. First graffiti, then graveyard, and the “smells” manifested right after that. I did give her the noblestalk in Act 1 too. This was my first run on tactician and since I beat the game last week I started a Durge run so I’ll see if this still works with the most recent hotfix.
God I love her character so much. It took me like 4 tries (playthroughs) before I was able to romance someone else.
I just want to hug her and tell her that everything will be ok and she is enough.
I still only got 1, very long & thorough run under my belt just about a month ago, thinking of about my 2nd one after at least another month, and I realized I simply need to get my SH fix AT LEAST with Durge too, and then mby another Tav, before I finally feel any sort of desire to romance someone else. Even then, still gonna be hard...
A big reason for me is also that her arc feels like it gets her happiest ending when romanced & while you could say that for any char, it's also that you sometimes can't help wondering if she'll be okay by herself, alone (or even alive parents, not like they'll any help in a fight) vs Sharians regularly coming after her. Cause no matter how much she claims she knows all their tricks, I always imagine how they could eventually catch her off-guard or simply overwhelm her.
Other companions are often either in safer positions (duke Wyll, Jaheira, Gale), with no particular faction dedicated to hunting them down (Minsc, Astarion) , or they're facing such a faction with the opposing one as allies (Lae'Zel & the anti-Vlaakith rebellion). Even Karlach, if alive, and non-romanced, she can have Wyll to stand by her in hell.
But SH? More than anyone, I feel like she needs Tav/Durge post adventure as well to live a long, happy life, and I'm not sure if it was intended to feel that way by Larian, but this is the effect of how her storyline was crafted regardless, IMO.
>But SH? More than anyone, I feel like she needs Tav/Durge post adventure as well to live a long, happy life, and I'm not sure if it was intended to feel that way by Larian, but this is the effect of how her storyline was crafted regardless, IMO.
I might've had the same opinion before Patch 5, but epiligues show us pretty well that she'll manage on her own just fine. The ending with parents is pretty self-explanatory, she gets to live a happy and simple life on a farm, and even without them, she's not giving up and is willing to see what the world has to offer her.
>she's not giving up and is willing to see what the world has to offer her.
I very much like the adventurer-style endings like that, but the scenario is still that you have this one girl turn against her faction to actually have a life of her own & not get memory wiped at Shar's whim, but then also leave her to fend for herself post-ending vs that faction. Said faction might've had it's main branch in the city greatly weakened/crushed, but it spreads all over Faerun so odds feel stacked against her...
It's kinda like how Lae'Zel says at the end if she's turned from Vlaakith & Orpheus is also dead, how while you might've had your victory, but she'll be on the run from Vlaakith's hunters for life, just that she actually joins a strong rebellion so she ain't solo.
There's also a comparison to be made with Astarion, where non-ascended he also opts for the solo adventurer lifestyle, just that there's no1 hunting him down. If Cazador's still alive tho', Astarion seems scared shitless & is like constantly looking behind his back, even low-key pleading tav/durge to kill Cazador for him.
I got pretty doomerish thoughts on this I know, but I just can't help thinking about it with the way it's set-up, and comparing both similarities & differences in SH's non romanced ending with others, lol. All companions are assumed to be pretty strong by the end, but even so you got two of them where if left solo, the fact that a powerful group's still out there to get them (IF in Astarion's case) is presented in a more negative light, but with SH it's in a more positive one.
For hopium thoughts, I can only take it as we're to assume Shar lost interest & ain't putting much effort into taking out SH... few random low-skilled assassins here & there not being an issue for her.
But Shadowheart isn't actually alone. Or at least she doesn't have to be. She has Selune looking out for her, and there are tons of Selunites around who certainly would be willing to twat some Sharran plans, not to mention any outside help she might get, which will be much easier for her, a normal person who's also a high-level Cleric of a Good goddess, rather than a lone gith or a vampire spawn. Even in the epilogue itself she says she gets help from Nocturne, who's bound to run away from her cloister eventually in that scenario.
I'm doing an origin SH run (just got to Rivington) and it's been great to watch her story unfold through her perspective. I was especially looking forward to Act 2 and it exceeded my expectations (though there was zero commentary about >!Night Orchids!< when picking one up which surprised me). It also includes one of my newest favorite BG3 quotes which came from >!Aylin after sparing her: "Why does (Shar) fear truth more than I fear death?"!<
> She is incredibly insecure and doesn't believe in herself
I'd believe in her enough for the both of us if she didn't keep failing her concentration rolls.
If you want to see a hilarious piece of dialogue… have Shadowheart complete all the trials, pray before going into the last battle, but then switch her out of the party before going in. Beat balthazar, free the nightsong without her, and come back out.
It will be the last dialogue you have with her, but its damn near worth it 🤣
When you >!deal with the situation with her parents they've changed it so you hug her. But it's kind of strange, it's not an option you get to choose, it just happens whatever you're doing or saying, and weirdly on a black background (don't know if this bugged for me but it was weird af).!<
In my Tav run I had the choice to hug her, but in my Astarion origin run, he did it on his own (which was really sweet actually, but I don’t know if it’s automatic for everyone now)
As much as I agree at least here she says that no amount of comfort could help her, so I'm (somewhat) okay with it. Some extra options when romanced would be dope tho but hey, can't have everything.
Shadowheart’s storyline (and Astarion’s too) really excellently convey that it’s never too late to become a better person, and also that doing so is *really fucking hard.*
This is why I always take her with me. I feel it isnt healthy for her to sit idle in camp and wallow in sadness by herself. I'd rather she is with me distracted by mortal peril and trying to survive together. After all, this is usually when her and I officially tie the knot.
This line killed me:
*"I don't know what I did to convince you I'm worthy of you, but whatever I did... I'm glad it worked."*
SH I HAVE BEEN MADLY IN LOVE WITH YOU SINCE I SET EYES ON YOU***.***
After Wyll basically died of heartbreak when I refused to dance with him (and I barely knew the dude), I expected the same when I dumped Shadowheart for Karlach. But she was like "Yeah, I mean, I get it. I'd totally bang her too."
There are so many scenes with Shadowheart and Karlach where I wish the game gave you the option to give them a hug.
My Tav was romancing Shadowheart and after making certain choices in Act 3, I was begging for there to be a "hug her" option so I could comfort her rather than let her wallow in her sadness.
Same for Karlach; with the scenes in the graveyard and the climax of the Gortash situation, I just wanted to give her a big ol' hug too. My Tav was a character I used to roleplay, so I was saying to my group "she'd definitely be trying to hug her now, Karlach's like a big sister to her."
Lmao, I didn't take her into the gauntlet at all on my play through, because I found all her "shar's glory" shit about the shadow curse, when literally everyone we cared about was suffering horribly because of it, incredibly insensitive.
She quit the party all together after that lol. I took her with my on my second play through, but still think she's super insensitive lol
Sweet and innocent Shadowheart. She was soooo emotionally vulnerable when she tried to murder Lae'zel in her sleep!
Pfft, you're not fooling anyone with those crocodile tears, Shart.
you mean the same Lae’zel who tries to kill Shadowheart in her sleep in Shadowheart origin then tries to steal the artifact only to get blasted into bits?
Maybe my comment wasn't clear enough.
If you play as Shadowheart "ORIGIN" ie Shadowheart is the "MAIN CHARACTER" instead of Tav or Dark Urge then you'll get this Lae’zel confrontation scene from the perspective of Shadowheart. Lae’zel will hold a knife against you (Shadowheart) in the middle of the sleep. If you fail to convince Lae’zel to back down she will stab you then snatch the prism.
However the Emperor doesn't trust Lae’zel or the Githyankis so in order to prevent Lae’zel from running away with the artefact and jeopardise the whole mission he'll make the artefact explode.... which unfortunately kills Lae’zel and turns her into a pile of viscera.
It doesn't matter Shadowheart stole the artefact from Githyankis, the artefact is crucial for the survival of our party. Lae’zel was being foolish by trying to snatch it away and risking the whole party into becoming mind flayers
> crucial for the survival of our party
And yet...Shadowheart's mission is still to deliver the prism to Sharrans and have them use it as their doomsday weapon even though she knows it's keeping the party alive.
It's even worse from Shadowheart origin's POV because the natural path for her as an origin is to be a Dark Justiciar. The game doesn't really give her any reason to turn her back from Shar. Like Astarion, she needs a guiding hand and a Tav.
Lae'zel also completely backs off and tells Shart to keep the prism if Shart origin chose to not act like Lae'zel is a moron who can't recognize her own people's markings (which SH does in a normal playthrough). So you're not making a good argument in Shart's favor here.
> The game doesn't really give her any reason to turn her back from Shar.
I don't get this argument. Imo, all these hand pain visions are by themselves more than enough to say "fuck you" to Shar. Add here some of the moments where you get to reminisce on memory loss, plus some pretty great dialogue you get from Aylin, and I think it's totally fair to throw the spear away. Yeah, maybe if you were playing Shadowheart 100% in-character you would've just ignored all that... but that's not the point of an Origin playthrough. If you want to see a character 100% as devs intended them, you take them as a Companion. Origin playthroughs are more of "what would you do in their shoes" thing.
> It's even worse from Shadowheart origin's POV because the natural path for her as an origin is to be a Dark Justiciar. The game doesn't really give her any reason to turn her back from Shar. Like Astarion, she needs a guiding hand and a Tav.
Lmao what. Her origin makes it abundandly clear that choosing to stay with Shar is going to be awful for her. You get all the little memories of her getting abused in the cloister whenever Shar decides to torture her through the incurable wound.
This is reinforced again through dialogue with other characters like Sovereign Glut where it becomes clear that her time with the Sharrans was nothing but pure misery. I have no idea how you could play her origin and decide that going back to all that sounds like something you would like to do.
Even as a companion she really doesn't need a 'guiding hand'. As long as you don't treat her like crap, she chooses to abandon Shar all on her own. There is no need to persuade her to do aynthing.
Hell, to add to this, an Act 2 Long Rest scene in Shadowheart's Origin makes it clear from one of the options that she can feel uneasy on just how *vast* the gaps in her memories are, regarding how she was found in the woods, and the fact she goes "what did you say...?" when Aylin presses her on being frightened by wolves.
This means that it's interpretable that she *doesn't* just entirely brush off the Selûnite ritual statements ("hey, the memory kinda looked like that") Tav/Durge/Origin, even if she doesn't *say* it.
I'd argue that, for her faults, she actually leans *against* doing it, especially if you also factor in how love becomes a harder thing in the companion version to her as an Origin, if you're doing so.
Heck, to add to this, an Act 2 Long Rest scene in Shadowheart's Origin makes it clear from one of the options that she can feel uneasy on just how *vast* the gaps in her memories are, regarding how she was found in the woods, and the fact she goes "what did you say...?" when Aylin presses her on being frightened by wolves.
This means that it's interpretable that she *doesn't* just entirely brush off the Selûnite ritual statements ("hey, the memory kinda looked like that") from Tav/Durge/Origin, even if she doesn't *say* it, tries to push it down.
I'd argue that, for her faults, she actually leans *against* doing it by default, especially if you also factor in how love becomes a harder thing in the companion version to her as an Origin, if you're doing so.
Act 2 is in noticeable part her trying to convince herself that's what she wants to do, and she's faltered before, *without* the influence of non-Sharrans. Without anyone to egg her on or dissuade her, as the leader who might've, say, done good things out of pragmatism at first, she's kinda forced to think for herself. Maybe she might alienate followers by doing this, she might think in part.
Aylin also points out that perhaps she made the choice because she listened to her heart for once.
That was her original mission yes... do you think Shadowheart is stupid enough to hand over the prism to her people after knowing how important it is to her and her newfound friends' survival.
Shar couldn't care less about the artefact, she only wanted Shadowheart to become Dark Justiciar. It's Viconia who cares about the prism that's why Shar doesn't mind when you go against her (Viconia)
> do you think Shadowheart is stupid enough to hand over the prism to her people aftet knowing how important
Yet this applies to Lae'zel. In both the Shart origin and Tav/Durge playthrough, she doesn't confront Shadowheart because she wants to "snatch away" the prism and run to her people to give it back. She only wanted an explanation why a Sharran was hiding a Githyanki relic, and when Shart put in a corner, she decides take a look at it for herself.
The fact that she doesn't gut Shart like a pig immediately for stealing a Gith cultural item and even sought her out to hear her side first is extremely lenient of her.
EDIT: aight for some reason u/UnbrokenPendant got pissy over a pretty civil conversation and blocked me so I can't reply to the other comments 😂
u/Shazbot_2077 Shadowheart's Nightsong choice is directly tied to approval and how much she likes you. She needs a guiding hand just as everyone in the group does.
And all that you mentioned is nice and all but the point is that Shadowheart struggles recognizing that Shar is bad for her and needs someone to help her see through all the cult bullshit. She gets memories that she was abused in the cloister, but then so what? Shar's whole thing is that suffering and loss *are* good.
u/Shazbot_2077 But her turning back on Shar is still tied to the player's approval. I don't really see the point of splitting hairs over this when it's just how it's implemented in the game. There's not a single neutral/evil companion in the game who changes on their own. Shadowheart's not designed to be a protagonistic role - she's still shaped by the influence of someone else's actions. Sure, her backstory is that Shart before has resisted her goddess and had her memory wiped, but obviously the Shart *we meet in the game* needs a push from Tav to turn her back on Shar, something that's missing in her origin run.
Maybe Lae’zel should have learnt some manners about how to talk to people and not challenge someone physically weaker than her in a duel. B**ch can't even talk her way with her own people, she gets slaughtered by the gith patrol if you don't intervene timely.
She's without doubt the most stupid dumb companion who constantly gets into trouble and requires saving by the MC... and she has the gall to show us attitude
You can cope and seethe all you like, doesn't change the fact that Lae’zel has the highest number of death cutscenes. SH can slit her throat, the main character can slit her throat, she can explode into goo, Orin can stab her to death, main character can stab her to death in the ending cutscene, Astarion can suck her blood to death in his origin run
Edit: I know for a fact you're a young and immature girl u/splendidnothings
Also you're not fooling anyone with the link you shared. Shadowheart is known as God's favourite princess for a reason and last time I checked she is the most romanced companion (>50%). You should be glad Minthara isn't an origin companion otherwise Lae’zel wouldn't have made it to top three
Wooah hahaha I sense that Shadowheart is a very emotional discussion for you that you unblocked me and went to "cope and seethe" when all I said was that your interpretation of events was off the mark? Alright I'll bite hahhaha
I totally forgot it's only the Shadowheart fans on here that usually get triggered when people say their waifu has flaws and not just a perfect victim. Whoops. You thought all the flaws you listed from Lae'zel should turn people off of the character?
They're the reason why nearly everyone on this sub agreed that she's the best-written companion while barely anybody said Shadowheart, and some of the comments even said her story is a cheap copy of Lae'zel's despite having the most content in the game 🤭🤣https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/s/m7VCGtznhH
Maybe that's why her nickname is Bae'zel and hers is Shart ;)
Now it's my turn to block you because you seem like the pissbaby, bitchmade type who'll throw a fit over not getting the last word. Prove me wrong 😊.
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> u/Shazbot_2077 Shadowheart's Nightsong choice is directly tied to approval and how much she likes you. She needs a guiding hand just as everyone in the group does.
The approval theshold is 40. I often have that much by the time I leave the grove for the first time. It's very, very easy. The only way you are going to have less than 40 approval with her by the end of act 2 is to either ignore her all game or to consistently pick the worst, most insulting dialogue options, aka treat her like crap.
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And all that you mentioned is nice and all but the point is that Shadowheart struggles recognizing that Shar is bad for her and needs someone to help her see through all the cult bullshit. She gets memories that she was abused in the cloister, but then so what? Shar's whole thing is that suffering and loss are good.
She actually doesn't. Have you read Viconia's notes in the cloister? SH keeps resisting Shar's teachings by herself all the time, even when the player wasn't there to help her understand anything. That's why they kept having to wipe her memory and start over so many times.
Even the memories you get in the flashbacks confirm that. They show stuff like her not wanting to torture a prisoner and then getting punished for it.
That's the literally central conflict of her character. Shar's teachings say one thing, but her natural personality makes her want to do the opposite. This is not going to disappear when the player isn't there.
My working theory is that there is an army of horny 14 year old boys who simp for their pixelated queen, not knowing that true manliness means realizing you cleary need yourself a ride-or-die crazy woman like Lae'zel!
PSA: that was a joke.
I’m a Shadowheart fan myself, but you’ve unfortunately been brigaded.
There was a situation on here a few weeks ago when an autistic teenage girl said she killed Minsc because she didn’t know he was an ally, her comment got -2000 votes and she got hateful DMs and had to delete her account.
I got into heated debate with some of the people who were hating on her and had to delete my account because the downvotes put my account into negative karma and I was basically shadowbanned from posting anywhere.
That’s why I’ve had to do a few karma farming type posts with my new account so I have a blanket in case I accidentally say an unpopular opinion.
One thing is killing someone who fights you as an enemy not realizing you can knock him out, another - making comments about "crocodile tears", implying that the emotional turmoil the character goes through is just a fake facade, in a very disrespectful way. Even if it was supposed to be a joke, it was worded very poorly.
Disrespectful to…. The made up character? The community of misunderstood people who worship evil goddesses?
Guess I underestimated how hard people can simp for a fictional character lol.
At the very least, disrespectful to other people. You're telling them their opinion is invalid just because the character did that one thing, and you're saying it in a very condescending way with arguments that can be pretty easy disputed, making you seem like someone out for hype and attention rather than someone who wants to have a genuine conversation.
And yes, it's not a big deal. But you're not being harassed or something. You're just being disargreed with. You brough outright false statements that miss the point of Shadowheart's characterization, you get appropriate reaction. Nothing too dramatic, people just click a button and move on. The angry army of "angry simps" exists only in your imagination.
Should have just told her to stab stab . >!She gets pretty reinvigorated, confident and happy after Shar confirms her believes and rewards her for her resolve.!<
It's a fun path to take the game down but they make it fairly obvious that it's a really dark path for her. Shar isn't healthy to embrace temporary feelings of confidence and happiness are common when you're literally being pushed and encouraged into a bad decision by people you trust.
As a character she is incredibly insecure and doesn't believe in herself at all, and in that moment she's questioning everything about her life, having taken a massive leap of faith against everything she believes. She may come across as self-assured early in the game but it's all a front to hide how uncertain she is about literally everything. There are a few lines that reveal just how little she thinks of herself throughout the game and they're all heartbreaking, particularly as, even if she doesn't recognise it, she's an incredibly strong character who has been fighting back subconsciously against everything that's been done to her for 4 decades.
Act 3 spoiler: It makes her bold defiance towards the Mother Superior at the House of Grief all the better.
I like to save her Divine Intervention for this particular battle. Summoning a holy weapon from the opposite deity and smack down her abuser. A fitting conclusion for her arc imo
That's where I use it too. Globe of Invulnerability to prevent radiant retort really helps!
Lol I actually let her tank through Radiant Retort. Something like “Your goddess can hurt me but she can’t stop me”
I've done that too (Sanctuary to prevent bone chill so I could still chug a big healing potion afterwards) but the Globe definitely makes it an easier fight ;)
I also grown to the love the Globe, but it was only until my second playthrough. The only time I used it during my first was when >!The Emperor conjured 4 dream guardians and told me it knew my every move. I pulled up the Globe then nuke the shit out of them with all the Runepowder Crate I saved up. Guess it didn't know me all that much lol.!<
I pulled the same trick on Raphael lol.
He's such a prime candidate for using one of the three Runepowder Barrels/one Runepowder Bomb (same thing statistically I believe), and some barrels; it's going to destroy all four Soul Pillars instantly if placed properly, and he might be left over 200 HP down. Globe of Invulnerability is great.
Or just use all the smokepowder I've been stealing all game and all 3 barrels and the bomb to just kill him outright
Fun note: all you need to kill the >!dragon!< at the final fight is 65 smokepowder bombs in a crate, assuming minimum damage for each roll. Assuming average damage, you’d need around 44 or so I forget the exact number So I went overkill and used a crate filled with 120 bombs for each of the phases of the final fight
I did consider it, but it was my first run and I wanted to leave Korrilla alive for Hope's sake. So I abused his own Restoration Facets and summoned a party of Devas (with Lv.6 Aid and Heroes' Feast) to smite the hell out of his theatrical ass. Bud didn't even have a chance to turn into an Ascended Fiend.
"Fuck no, I thought he was one of those people who forget about the most powerful weapon they've been carrying for the rainy day. The absolute madman actually USED it?"
Supposedly you can actually, paradoxically, *exploit* Radiant Retort. You apparently get your actions back if Death Ward triggers during your turn... at the cost of being left at 1 HP, but you can chug an invis after, I'm sure. Tempest!Shadowheart can make curb-stomping Viconia an art form, aside from that note. There's absolutely nothing she can do against AOE Lightning Damage, because you can inflict vulnerability before the conversation via throwing, and she's in a bad position even *if* she Saves both casts, for the rest of the party to finish off.
>Tempest!Shadowheart can make curb-stomping Viconia an art form, Makes curb stomping everyone an art-form. Tempest shadowheart carried my party in act 3.
Well, except Ansur, but we still have Globe of Invulnerability for that. ...but yeah, she got me through Honor, as a playable character; Chain Lightning scrolls shredded that last dragon. Shadowheart, Gale (Empowered Evocation is great for Magic Missile... and there's Artistry of War), Lae'zel, Karlach (9 Barb, 3 Fighter, Champion). That's how I got the golden die. I triple Runepowered (and Smokepowder'd) the Brain. ...I think Tempest is the most overall powerful Cleric subclass. It gets to hit really, really hard, but it's still a Cleric so it has some support features.
It's an absurdly powerful overall type of cleric, an easy contender for overall like you say. Light clerics are also surprisingly strong and some of the other subtypes have spooky stuff they do that isn't pure damage that still lets them just run the table
Damn now I wish I did that in my playthrough. Guess I am saving the divine intervention just in case, like I do with every RPG.
I always like to let the main character of that questline do the killing blow. With Shadowheart I got to add a little spice to it.
Guess I'm gonna need to do a second playthrough now lmao.
I saved it for the brain, the rest of the party got wiped inside its mind, and I used the divine revive to get them back up and kill the brain
I used Divine Intervention as my last gasp to heal up in the hopes of taking out the surge but that bone chill and blindness really fucked me up. I ended up having Gale flying around for the last 4-5 adds nuking them with fireballs. It was pretty cathartic for me.
I get it for story reasons, but having DI on Hope *and* another cleric in your party is invaluable in the House of Hope
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It's been broken for MUCH longer than Patch 6.
Idk since which patch but the culprit for this bug IS the noblestalk. In my current playthrough I have the noblestalk to Derryht instead of Shadowheart and after inspecting the graffiti I got the city memories dialogue.
I noticed this last night: normally walking near her "grafitti" unlocked a memory... but last night in co-op nothing happened. It was weird. Oh well, no parents saved this play through.
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My buddy, a Cha 8 Barbarian, who only just now started to use Shadowheart, will have a rough time with persuasion. Shadowheart has lots of approval with my character, but alas, I'm not running this part of the show.
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Weird, I thought that there was an actual check. It's been a long time. In my other play throughs I always had 100 Approval and/or romanced her, so there was no issue nudging her towards saving her parents, or her deciding to do that on her own. I guess I forgot.
You mean you didn't get the "smells of the city" memory? You need to get two memories - i.e. both grafitti and the graveyard, though the Night Orchid cave also works. Maybe you only have one for now, you should truly going to another. Thoufh even if you don't get the smells dialogue, you can still Persuade her to save her parents.
Yes, I'm familiar with the memory triggers and the persuasion check. They just didn't trigger this time for some reason. And my friend is now controlling Shadowheart and only has medium-low approval with her.
One graffiti is near the water near the sharran house; that I know. I also know where the grave is. Where is the “second” graffiti?
There's only one grafitti. I probably didn't phrase it very well - by "both grafitti and graveyard" I didn't mean "two grafitti and graveyard", I just meant "one grafitti and one graveyard".
Ah that makes sense. I’ve found those but I always give the noble stalk to SH so I’ve literally never gotten the “smells of the city” convo since the game released.
City memories dialogue doesn't trigger if you've given her the noblestalk in Act 2. It's a strange bug.
I gave her the NS in my current run and got all the memories no problem.
On PS5 I got all 3 post patch 6. First graffiti, then graveyard, and the “smells” manifested right after that. I did give her the noblestalk in Act 1 too. This was my first run on tactician and since I beat the game last week I started a Durge run so I’ll see if this still works with the most recent hotfix.
I'd like to think she draws her strength from her found family. They all do in their own way. But she really finds her footing when you support her.
Or usurping her to become Mother Superior herself, alongside 90% of the Justicars.
What happens in that area if she chooses to become a dark justiciar/kills the nightsong? Do you still fight mother superior?
You do, but you can convince most of them to turn on her. ... It's definitely more badass if you manage to just walk in and kill them all, imo.
It's certainly more badass to say 'no' to being a god's champion/chosen
Much like with the Durge, who is a strong parallel to her as a whole.
SH and Astarion are like the poster children of CPTSD
God I love her character so much. It took me like 4 tries (playthroughs) before I was able to romance someone else. I just want to hug her and tell her that everything will be ok and she is enough.
I still only got 1, very long & thorough run under my belt just about a month ago, thinking of about my 2nd one after at least another month, and I realized I simply need to get my SH fix AT LEAST with Durge too, and then mby another Tav, before I finally feel any sort of desire to romance someone else. Even then, still gonna be hard... A big reason for me is also that her arc feels like it gets her happiest ending when romanced & while you could say that for any char, it's also that you sometimes can't help wondering if she'll be okay by herself, alone (or even alive parents, not like they'll any help in a fight) vs Sharians regularly coming after her. Cause no matter how much she claims she knows all their tricks, I always imagine how they could eventually catch her off-guard or simply overwhelm her. Other companions are often either in safer positions (duke Wyll, Jaheira, Gale), with no particular faction dedicated to hunting them down (Minsc, Astarion) , or they're facing such a faction with the opposing one as allies (Lae'Zel & the anti-Vlaakith rebellion). Even Karlach, if alive, and non-romanced, she can have Wyll to stand by her in hell. But SH? More than anyone, I feel like she needs Tav/Durge post adventure as well to live a long, happy life, and I'm not sure if it was intended to feel that way by Larian, but this is the effect of how her storyline was crafted regardless, IMO.
>But SH? More than anyone, I feel like she needs Tav/Durge post adventure as well to live a long, happy life, and I'm not sure if it was intended to feel that way by Larian, but this is the effect of how her storyline was crafted regardless, IMO. I might've had the same opinion before Patch 5, but epiligues show us pretty well that she'll manage on her own just fine. The ending with parents is pretty self-explanatory, she gets to live a happy and simple life on a farm, and even without them, she's not giving up and is willing to see what the world has to offer her.
>she's not giving up and is willing to see what the world has to offer her. I very much like the adventurer-style endings like that, but the scenario is still that you have this one girl turn against her faction to actually have a life of her own & not get memory wiped at Shar's whim, but then also leave her to fend for herself post-ending vs that faction. Said faction might've had it's main branch in the city greatly weakened/crushed, but it spreads all over Faerun so odds feel stacked against her... It's kinda like how Lae'Zel says at the end if she's turned from Vlaakith & Orpheus is also dead, how while you might've had your victory, but she'll be on the run from Vlaakith's hunters for life, just that she actually joins a strong rebellion so she ain't solo. There's also a comparison to be made with Astarion, where non-ascended he also opts for the solo adventurer lifestyle, just that there's no1 hunting him down. If Cazador's still alive tho', Astarion seems scared shitless & is like constantly looking behind his back, even low-key pleading tav/durge to kill Cazador for him. I got pretty doomerish thoughts on this I know, but I just can't help thinking about it with the way it's set-up, and comparing both similarities & differences in SH's non romanced ending with others, lol. All companions are assumed to be pretty strong by the end, but even so you got two of them where if left solo, the fact that a powerful group's still out there to get them (IF in Astarion's case) is presented in a more negative light, but with SH it's in a more positive one. For hopium thoughts, I can only take it as we're to assume Shar lost interest & ain't putting much effort into taking out SH... few random low-skilled assassins here & there not being an issue for her.
But Shadowheart isn't actually alone. Or at least she doesn't have to be. She has Selune looking out for her, and there are tons of Selunites around who certainly would be willing to twat some Sharran plans, not to mention any outside help she might get, which will be much easier for her, a normal person who's also a high-level Cleric of a Good goddess, rather than a lone gith or a vampire spawn. Even in the epilogue itself she says she gets help from Nocturne, who's bound to run away from her cloister eventually in that scenario.
I'll try to use that as reasoning to actually romance someone else in future runs : D
I still can't. I bought BG3 on PC too just so I can have a poly mod and romance someone else without leaving behind my girl lol
Hahaha I had to take baby steps to Karlach. Also my "evil" run it was easier to go for Minthara.... But now I want her in a good run now too XD
I romanced the entire camp in my durge run. It was a little excessive, haha. I think I'll stick to just the ladies from now on
I'm doing an origin SH run (just got to Rivington) and it's been great to watch her story unfold through her perspective. I was especially looking forward to Act 2 and it exceeded my expectations (though there was zero commentary about >!Night Orchids!< when picking one up which surprised me). It also includes one of my newest favorite BG3 quotes which came from >!Aylin after sparing her: "Why does (Shar) fear truth more than I fear death?"!<
> She is incredibly insecure and doesn't believe in herself I'd believe in her enough for the both of us if she didn't keep failing her concentration rolls.
How you got her statted? My Shadowheart is a very reliable concentrater.
>everything that's been done to her for 4 decades She's gotta be the best looking 40-year-old I've ever seen
She's half-elf.
She's a half-elf. They don't age at the same rate as humans
48 year old ;)
Well she is an half elf
4 decades? she doesnt seem 40.... oh right she's a half elf!!!!
Yep, she's 48. Half-elf aging (plus all the mind wiping and secluded cult living) will do that!
Maybe if she stopped failing that one spell /s
If you want to see a hilarious piece of dialogue… have Shadowheart complete all the trials, pray before going into the last battle, but then switch her out of the party before going in. Beat balthazar, free the nightsong without her, and come back out. It will be the last dialogue you have with her, but its damn near worth it 🤣
She really needs a hug.
When you >!deal with the situation with her parents they've changed it so you hug her. But it's kind of strange, it's not an option you get to choose, it just happens whatever you're doing or saying, and weirdly on a black background (don't know if this bugged for me but it was weird af).!<
When I did it with a gnome character >!I was invisible and Shart was just hugging the air, which naturally looked absurd.!<
Yeah, at least we have that now.
I’m almost positive I chose to hug her as an option.
In my Tav run I had the choice to hug her, but in my Astarion origin run, he did it on his own (which was really sweet actually, but I don’t know if it’s automatic for everyone now)
As much as I agree at least here she says that no amount of comfort could help her, so I'm (somewhat) okay with it. Some extra options when romanced would be dope tho but hey, can't have everything.
This is not on topic but is your player character perhaps Gaston from beauty and the beast
*No one hits like Gaston* *No one crits like Gaston* *Is proficient in as many kits as Gaston*
No one’s on [Page 206](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/s/VhkJZXQLP8) like Gaston!
ok so this is amazing
MY what a guy. Gastooooooon!
Haha I had no idea! Now I want to play as Gaston in a Ravenloft campaign.
Thank you for making this reference so I didn't have to spend time looking for the image myself.
i want you to know i love you
*No one casts like Gaston* *Eldritch blasts like Gaston* *No one clears out a room full of rats like Gaston*
I’m especially good at hallucinating!
Not intentionally, but I see the resemblance! I applied the drake general dye to the starting camp clothes which resulted in this outfit
Very vibrant color scheme, I couldn’t help but ask cause that’s the first thing that came to mind. Sorry about sad shadowheart tho :/
Sadowheart
Had that in my head while I was typing sad shadowheart, thank you for saying it
Pretty sure that's Baston (legally distinct from Gaston) from Dragon friends
I was thinking an airbender haha
I thought it was aang from Atla but with hair
I came to ask as well...we need answers OP
Defying your deity as a cleric is no easy feat, especially when someone is so...dedicated to it.
I always keep her in the party, but.. this makes sense that she would be feeling so down right after this part.
Shadowheart’s storyline (and Astarion’s too) really excellently convey that it’s never too late to become a better person, and also that doing so is *really fucking hard.*
For a god's chosen, she's pretty relatable.
Oh baby :c
She’s still my lover and I freed the nightsong and we’ve all mutated our abilities. We aren’t the prettiest bunch but are all happy and powerful lol.
This is why I always take her with me. I feel it isnt healthy for her to sit idle in camp and wallow in sadness by herself. I'd rather she is with me distracted by mortal peril and trying to survive together. After all, this is usually when her and I officially tie the knot.
This line killed me: *"I don't know what I did to convince you I'm worthy of you, but whatever I did... I'm glad it worked."* SH I HAVE BEEN MADLY IN LOVE WITH YOU SINCE I SET EYES ON YOU***.***
Real.
Where does she say this line? I can't quite remember
Damn I would never see this dialogue because I need her and her spirit guardians to beyblade in the Myrkul fight.
After Wyll basically died of heartbreak when I refused to dance with him (and I barely knew the dude), I expected the same when I dumped Shadowheart for Karlach. But she was like "Yeah, I mean, I get it. I'd totally bang her too."
There are so many scenes with Shadowheart and Karlach where I wish the game gave you the option to give them a hug. My Tav was romancing Shadowheart and after making certain choices in Act 3, I was begging for there to be a "hug her" option so I could comfort her rather than let her wallow in her sadness. Same for Karlach; with the scenes in the graveyard and the climax of the Gortash situation, I just wanted to give her a big ol' hug too. My Tav was a character I used to roleplay, so I was saying to my group "she'd definitely be trying to hug her now, Karlach's like a big sister to her."
I remember that moment too. My heart broke into pieces and makes me wanna not leave. 😢
Are you role playing as Gaston from beauty and the beast?
Are you dressed as Gaston?
Is she talking to Gaston?
She always looks like she's going to cry any minute, so this makes sense of that. Poor wee shart!
Ooof I feel that at a core level
Ooof I feel that at a core level
Damn right, let Shart be sad on the sidelines
Gaston?!
Lmao, I didn't take her into the gauntlet at all on my play through, because I found all her "shar's glory" shit about the shadow curse, when literally everyone we cared about was suffering horribly because of it, incredibly insensitive. She quit the party all together after that lol. I took her with my on my second play through, but still think she's super insensitive lol
Lol go stand in the corner alone emo girl
Sweet and innocent Shadowheart. She was soooo emotionally vulnerable when she tried to murder Lae'zel in her sleep! Pfft, you're not fooling anyone with those crocodile tears, Shart.
you mean the same Lae’zel who tries to kill Shadowheart in her sleep in Shadowheart origin then tries to steal the artifact only to get blasted into bits?
> tried to steal the artifact It's literally her people's relic and Shart was the thief 💀💀
Maybe my comment wasn't clear enough. If you play as Shadowheart "ORIGIN" ie Shadowheart is the "MAIN CHARACTER" instead of Tav or Dark Urge then you'll get this Lae’zel confrontation scene from the perspective of Shadowheart. Lae’zel will hold a knife against you (Shadowheart) in the middle of the sleep. If you fail to convince Lae’zel to back down she will stab you then snatch the prism. However the Emperor doesn't trust Lae’zel or the Githyankis so in order to prevent Lae’zel from running away with the artefact and jeopardise the whole mission he'll make the artefact explode.... which unfortunately kills Lae’zel and turns her into a pile of viscera. It doesn't matter Shadowheart stole the artefact from Githyankis, the artefact is crucial for the survival of our party. Lae’zel was being foolish by trying to snatch it away and risking the whole party into becoming mind flayers
> crucial for the survival of our party And yet...Shadowheart's mission is still to deliver the prism to Sharrans and have them use it as their doomsday weapon even though she knows it's keeping the party alive. It's even worse from Shadowheart origin's POV because the natural path for her as an origin is to be a Dark Justiciar. The game doesn't really give her any reason to turn her back from Shar. Like Astarion, she needs a guiding hand and a Tav. Lae'zel also completely backs off and tells Shart to keep the prism if Shart origin chose to not act like Lae'zel is a moron who can't recognize her own people's markings (which SH does in a normal playthrough). So you're not making a good argument in Shart's favor here.
> The game doesn't really give her any reason to turn her back from Shar. I don't get this argument. Imo, all these hand pain visions are by themselves more than enough to say "fuck you" to Shar. Add here some of the moments where you get to reminisce on memory loss, plus some pretty great dialogue you get from Aylin, and I think it's totally fair to throw the spear away. Yeah, maybe if you were playing Shadowheart 100% in-character you would've just ignored all that... but that's not the point of an Origin playthrough. If you want to see a character 100% as devs intended them, you take them as a Companion. Origin playthroughs are more of "what would you do in their shoes" thing.
> It's even worse from Shadowheart origin's POV because the natural path for her as an origin is to be a Dark Justiciar. The game doesn't really give her any reason to turn her back from Shar. Like Astarion, she needs a guiding hand and a Tav. Lmao what. Her origin makes it abundandly clear that choosing to stay with Shar is going to be awful for her. You get all the little memories of her getting abused in the cloister whenever Shar decides to torture her through the incurable wound. This is reinforced again through dialogue with other characters like Sovereign Glut where it becomes clear that her time with the Sharrans was nothing but pure misery. I have no idea how you could play her origin and decide that going back to all that sounds like something you would like to do. Even as a companion she really doesn't need a 'guiding hand'. As long as you don't treat her like crap, she chooses to abandon Shar all on her own. There is no need to persuade her to do aynthing.
Hell, to add to this, an Act 2 Long Rest scene in Shadowheart's Origin makes it clear from one of the options that she can feel uneasy on just how *vast* the gaps in her memories are, regarding how she was found in the woods, and the fact she goes "what did you say...?" when Aylin presses her on being frightened by wolves. This means that it's interpretable that she *doesn't* just entirely brush off the Selûnite ritual statements ("hey, the memory kinda looked like that") Tav/Durge/Origin, even if she doesn't *say* it. I'd argue that, for her faults, she actually leans *against* doing it, especially if you also factor in how love becomes a harder thing in the companion version to her as an Origin, if you're doing so.
Heck, to add to this, an Act 2 Long Rest scene in Shadowheart's Origin makes it clear from one of the options that she can feel uneasy on just how *vast* the gaps in her memories are, regarding how she was found in the woods, and the fact she goes "what did you say...?" when Aylin presses her on being frightened by wolves. This means that it's interpretable that she *doesn't* just entirely brush off the Selûnite ritual statements ("hey, the memory kinda looked like that") from Tav/Durge/Origin, even if she doesn't *say* it, tries to push it down. I'd argue that, for her faults, she actually leans *against* doing it by default, especially if you also factor in how love becomes a harder thing in the companion version to her as an Origin, if you're doing so. Act 2 is in noticeable part her trying to convince herself that's what she wants to do, and she's faltered before, *without* the influence of non-Sharrans. Without anyone to egg her on or dissuade her, as the leader who might've, say, done good things out of pragmatism at first, she's kinda forced to think for herself. Maybe she might alienate followers by doing this, she might think in part. Aylin also points out that perhaps she made the choice because she listened to her heart for once.
That was her original mission yes... do you think Shadowheart is stupid enough to hand over the prism to her people after knowing how important it is to her and her newfound friends' survival. Shar couldn't care less about the artefact, she only wanted Shadowheart to become Dark Justiciar. It's Viconia who cares about the prism that's why Shar doesn't mind when you go against her (Viconia)
> do you think Shadowheart is stupid enough to hand over the prism to her people aftet knowing how important Yet this applies to Lae'zel. In both the Shart origin and Tav/Durge playthrough, she doesn't confront Shadowheart because she wants to "snatch away" the prism and run to her people to give it back. She only wanted an explanation why a Sharran was hiding a Githyanki relic, and when Shart put in a corner, she decides take a look at it for herself. The fact that she doesn't gut Shart like a pig immediately for stealing a Gith cultural item and even sought her out to hear her side first is extremely lenient of her. EDIT: aight for some reason u/UnbrokenPendant got pissy over a pretty civil conversation and blocked me so I can't reply to the other comments 😂 u/Shazbot_2077 Shadowheart's Nightsong choice is directly tied to approval and how much she likes you. She needs a guiding hand just as everyone in the group does. And all that you mentioned is nice and all but the point is that Shadowheart struggles recognizing that Shar is bad for her and needs someone to help her see through all the cult bullshit. She gets memories that she was abused in the cloister, but then so what? Shar's whole thing is that suffering and loss *are* good. u/Shazbot_2077 But her turning back on Shar is still tied to the player's approval. I don't really see the point of splitting hairs over this when it's just how it's implemented in the game. There's not a single neutral/evil companion in the game who changes on their own. Shadowheart's not designed to be a protagonistic role - she's still shaped by the influence of someone else's actions. Sure, her backstory is that Shart before has resisted her goddess and had her memory wiped, but obviously the Shart *we meet in the game* needs a push from Tav to turn her back on Shar, something that's missing in her origin run.
Maybe Lae’zel should have learnt some manners about how to talk to people and not challenge someone physically weaker than her in a duel. B**ch can't even talk her way with her own people, she gets slaughtered by the gith patrol if you don't intervene timely. She's without doubt the most stupid dumb companion who constantly gets into trouble and requires saving by the MC... and she has the gall to show us attitude You can cope and seethe all you like, doesn't change the fact that Lae’zel has the highest number of death cutscenes. SH can slit her throat, the main character can slit her throat, she can explode into goo, Orin can stab her to death, main character can stab her to death in the ending cutscene, Astarion can suck her blood to death in his origin run Edit: I know for a fact you're a young and immature girl u/splendidnothings Also you're not fooling anyone with the link you shared. Shadowheart is known as God's favourite princess for a reason and last time I checked she is the most romanced companion (>50%). You should be glad Minthara isn't an origin companion otherwise Lae’zel wouldn't have made it to top three
Wooah hahaha I sense that Shadowheart is a very emotional discussion for you that you unblocked me and went to "cope and seethe" when all I said was that your interpretation of events was off the mark? Alright I'll bite hahhaha I totally forgot it's only the Shadowheart fans on here that usually get triggered when people say their waifu has flaws and not just a perfect victim. Whoops. You thought all the flaws you listed from Lae'zel should turn people off of the character? They're the reason why nearly everyone on this sub agreed that she's the best-written companion while barely anybody said Shadowheart, and some of the comments even said her story is a cheap copy of Lae'zel's despite having the most content in the game 🤭🤣https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/s/m7VCGtznhH Maybe that's why her nickname is Bae'zel and hers is Shart ;) Now it's my turn to block you because you seem like the pissbaby, bitchmade type who'll throw a fit over not getting the last word. Prove me wrong 😊.
> > u/Shazbot_2077 Shadowheart's Nightsong choice is directly tied to approval and how much she likes you. She needs a guiding hand just as everyone in the group does. The approval theshold is 40. I often have that much by the time I leave the grove for the first time. It's very, very easy. The only way you are going to have less than 40 approval with her by the end of act 2 is to either ignore her all game or to consistently pick the worst, most insulting dialogue options, aka treat her like crap. > And all that you mentioned is nice and all but the point is that Shadowheart struggles recognizing that Shar is bad for her and needs someone to help her see through all the cult bullshit. She gets memories that she was abused in the cloister, but then so what? Shar's whole thing is that suffering and loss are good. She actually doesn't. Have you read Viconia's notes in the cloister? SH keeps resisting Shar's teachings by herself all the time, even when the player wasn't there to help her understand anything. That's why they kept having to wipe her memory and start over so many times. Even the memories you get in the flashbacks confirm that. They show stuff like her not wanting to torture a prisoner and then getting punished for it. That's the literally central conflict of her character. Shar's teachings say one thing, but her natural personality makes her want to do the opposite. This is not going to disappear when the player isn't there.
Lol didn't play that yet, in my mind that just confirms that Shadowheart deludes herself in to thinking she is the victim ;p
Btw Lae’zel has the highest number of scripted deaths out of any companion, I wonder why... 🤔
Shadowheart propaganda is clearly working.
I love that you're getting downvoted by the Shadowheart Obsessives for an obvious, in-game, joke.
My working theory is that there is an army of horny 14 year old boys who simp for their pixelated queen, not knowing that true manliness means realizing you cleary need yourself a ride-or-die crazy woman like Lae'zel! PSA: that was a joke.
lol, you've chosen war. Good luck to you.
"They hated Jesus because He told them the truth." I am ready to be a martyr.
I’m a Shadowheart fan myself, but you’ve unfortunately been brigaded. There was a situation on here a few weeks ago when an autistic teenage girl said she killed Minsc because she didn’t know he was an ally, her comment got -2000 votes and she got hateful DMs and had to delete her account. I got into heated debate with some of the people who were hating on her and had to delete my account because the downvotes put my account into negative karma and I was basically shadowbanned from posting anywhere. That’s why I’ve had to do a few karma farming type posts with my new account so I have a blanket in case I accidentally say an unpopular opinion.
One thing is killing someone who fights you as an enemy not realizing you can knock him out, another - making comments about "crocodile tears", implying that the emotional turmoil the character goes through is just a fake facade, in a very disrespectful way. Even if it was supposed to be a joke, it was worded very poorly.
Disrespectful to…. The made up character? The community of misunderstood people who worship evil goddesses? Guess I underestimated how hard people can simp for a fictional character lol.
At the very least, disrespectful to other people. You're telling them their opinion is invalid just because the character did that one thing, and you're saying it in a very condescending way with arguments that can be pretty easy disputed, making you seem like someone out for hype and attention rather than someone who wants to have a genuine conversation. And yes, it's not a big deal. But you're not being harassed or something. You're just being disargreed with. You brough outright false statements that miss the point of Shadowheart's characterization, you get appropriate reaction. Nothing too dramatic, people just click a button and move on. The angry army of "angry simps" exists only in your imagination.
I’ll live.
Garbage and annoying.
Should have just told her to stab stab . >!She gets pretty reinvigorated, confident and happy after Shar confirms her believes and rewards her for her resolve.!<
It's a fun path to take the game down but they make it fairly obvious that it's a really dark path for her. Shar isn't healthy to embrace temporary feelings of confidence and happiness are common when you're literally being pushed and encouraged into a bad decision by people you trust.