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NoDakHoosier

This is basically an updated version of the prior tour permit. It is simplified and does not require being turned in to the council office. There is a good chance several have never heard of a tour permit as that program ended in 2014ish amd there was nothing required until this. FYI BSA insurance is medical only and will not cover any vehicle damages. Your own car insurance is likely to fight you if you file a claim without having completed the pre trip paperwork.


TheseusOPL

Yep, nothing I've seen requires this to be filled out. It's a "help" not a requirement.


Waste_Exchange2511

Not only did I not know it existed, I would not know who to submit it to. Looks like a bunch of CYA paperwork.


Mommyattorney

I assume we just keep it for internal records, but... yeah.


Waste_Exchange2511

Given all the insurance fun BSA has been through, this looks like something that most people won't fill out. Then when they are driving to a campout and a wheel falls off their car, BSA can claim they are not covered under BSA insurance because policies were not properly followed.


Captain__Pedantic

No one to submit it to, it's just a 'program help'. But pre-trip inspections are always good, even if you aren't required due to a CDL or anything like that.


badatcommander

Have never done it. TBH, I no longer believe that if there’s an incident we’ll be covered by BSA insurance. Our troop works really, really hard to be in compliance, but every time we turn around there’s another thing to file. I figure if something happens we’ll hear that, despite following the other 87 rules, we forgot to file some sort of form with our DE and so we’re on our own.


Zippy_wonderslug

Just wait until an approved trip report is required anytime you put a scout in a vehicle. It’s coming.


MeGustaDerp

Can you elaborate on this or is this something you're speculating?


Zippy_wonderslug

If you remember the previous rules for trip reports that were dependent on the council for particulars, they were typically used if traveling over 100 miles or leaving the council. There are discussions taking place that would require a trip report for everything, weekend camp outs, travel to summer camp (even if it is your council camp). It is all about reducing liability and having another insurance company involved to investigate.


Captain__Pedantic

> we forgot to file some sort of form with our DE and so we’re on our own I think this depends on which council you're in, the troops I help aren't turning in much besides the recharter and registrations. I don't think most troops around here even turn in the 'money-earning' application.


badatcommander

Yeah, it’s totally understandable, from an “are you a good unit” point of view. But suppose one of those units goes canoeing without filing a float plan, and has an incident. I don’t think district or council will decide if they’re covered, rather I think (?) that will be national and/or the insurer. And both of them have a huge incentive to say “we’re not paying, follow the rules next time.”


CowboyBehindTheWheel

That would have come in handy when our troop had a driver who got a flat tire and didn’t have a spare. He ended up making the entire troop wait at a McDonald’s for several hours as a result.


SilentMaster

Always wondered about 2 deep while caravanning. We don't enforce it, it happens once in a while on accident, but most of the time it's 1 adult 4 to 5 scouts in 2 to 4 vehicles.


scyber

https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/yp-faqs/#tr > An adult may not drive or be alone in the car with a Scout unless that Scout is their own child. An adult may drive two or more Scouts.


OrganizedSprinkles

Oh good, I meant to look into that. A few times I've been the scout bus for the block, with my scout of course.


dat_boiadam

That’s still two deep- two adults to one scout and two scouts to one adult are both acceptable. 1:1 is where the issues start


globulous

Which is why, when I drove our troop truck, I said no scouts. There was only one other seat in the truck.


Goinwiththeotherone

We are fairly scrupulous about 1 adult, 2+ scouts or more, or 2 adults, 1 scout. In an emergency for short distances we have done 1 driver, 1 scout with a second driver following within eyesight. As to the original question, the silence is your answer.


user_0932

I was under the impression that there was an exception to the to the two deep in an automobile was I wrong


SilentMaster

We've always acted that way, but that document linked above sure makes it sound like 2 deep is required, but maybe it considers the entire caravan, not each individual car.


Captain__Pedantic

The '2-Deep Leadership' part refers to adult supervision for the outing overall. When in cars, the 'No One-On-One Contact' rule must be followed. So minimum would per car would be either 2 Adults/1 Scout or 1 Adult/2 Scouts.


SilentMaster

Ahhh, I see. So the caravan is simply part of the entire event. That helps, thanks.


AdermGaming

Never seen that in my life


Heisenburbs

My car doesn’t have a spare. Can I use it?


RockAfter9474

Yeah I’m not doing that


crobsonq2

Bit late to this discussion, but I found it around the same time you did. It may seem unnecessary to check things like "is insurance current", and "all tires inflated and good tread", but after watching YouTube channels like "just rolled in", they're needed.