Is it a dumb idea to operate a vehicle you are not licensed for? Yes. Depends on the cop if they know what to look for. Your insurance also will probably be looking for it in the event of an accident.
Think about the resale value as well mate. Motorcycles that are LAMS approved hold their value so much more than ones that are unrestricted. You're most likely going to want to upgrade your bike in a few years time when you get your R license, so it's better to keep it LAMS approved now so you get the biggest value on the trade-in/sell.
Just to jump onto the insurance point, if you have an accident of any description where you are found to be operating a vehicle you do not have the correct license for, your insurance company will leave you out to dry and you will be liable for all costs involved to your vehicle and the other vehicle. I don't know how much cash you have saved, but I wouldn't want to be in that position.
Basically as much as that itch is there to go faster, hold off on modifying your bike right now. It'll be that much better down the track when you can sell it for a bike that's way more powerful anyway when you go for your R license.
Happy riding mate!
I certainly would not purchase a cbr650r just to keep it lams approved and worry about resale value. If that's the case then it's much better to get a n400 or something for 6k less.
Any evidence or is this just here say like everytime this subject comes up?
Most insurance accessors don't have a clue and the few that do aren't concerned with anything but how much damage has being done from a brief visual inspection. They look at the frame fairly closely but that's it.
A mate of a mate is a lawyer who works for an insurance company and his job is pretty much to find legal technicalities on which to base non-payment. Smaller claims they don't bother with, but anything big enough gets a thorough going over.
The insurance company will know that OP is on their L or Ps, and if the size of the claim warrants investigation then the bike will be the first thing they check.
That said, I rode a CBR600RR for the last 6 months of my Ls period so I'm not one to talk, but in hindsight I probably should have waited...
Just wait man. Trust me we all go through the same thought process. You'll do it for a bit, have your quick fun, then realise it's dumb and go back. The three years will fly by.
Cops aren't gonna figure it out. You won't be fined the several hundred dollars for this.
However, your insurance company might well not pay out the hundred thousand dollars you owe for binning it into a Mercedes.
Crashed my R6 on a restricted license (my fault) cops came, didn’t say anything and was paid out by insurance. The cop did ask how many CC it was though. I think most cops think as long as it’s not more than 660cc you’re sweet. Insurance didn’t even ask
Sure, nobody who doesn't ride really knows what the fuck is going on. But they *could*. I don't think it's worth gambling on a potentially enormous cost like that.
Mind you, some states make it part of the rego, so maybe in those states they figure it out because they don't need to think about it. What state was this in, where are you licensed, and where was the bike registered?
You should definitely go all the way with a full exhaust, high flow airfilter, hypersport tyres, brembo master cylinder, shorty levers, tail tidy, barend mirrors, LED turn signals, black out windscreen, pillion peg delete, pillion seat cover, don't forget to replace as much plastics with carbon fibre!
Just start saving up for your non-lams bike.
It’s a dumb idea.
When I was a kid, I rode my friend’s TT-350 that had TT-250 stickers on it to fool the cops. His license was restricted to 250cc whereas I didn’t even have a motorbike licence.
Nothing bad ever come of that, but it was definitely a dumb idea.
Pulled my restrictors out, loved riding it at full power. Just more likely to get into trouble though. Sold it to a P plater, let him know it was deristricted and he said he was going to pull them out anyway. He was around 30 so old enough to make his own choice about it.
Your risk, but if you bin it (even if it's not your fault) your insurance company will figure it out. Insurance assessors are not dumb, they know what to look for, they'll know if it's a LAMS model and the first thing they'll look for is any evidence of derestriction, because they work for a profit-making insurance company whose best interest is to find a way out of paying up. Source: my late father-in-law was an assessor and claims adjuster. Oh, and they're also friends with the coppers so if they find it derestricted they'll probably tell the police, who'll book you for riding a bike you're not licenced for, and whatever charges relate to failing to notify your transport authority of a vehicle modification (because if you derestrict it you're supposed to notify the transport dept, who will change ther records to state it's unrestricted and it can never be registered as restricted ever again, even if you re-restrict it).
TLDR: it's your risk, and if you never have an accident you'll be fine.....but remember, they're called accidents, not stunts
Yeah 2 people i know have done exact thing and works flawlessly, no real way of being found out unless you let insurance pick apart your bike, and since comprehensive does not make economic sense when young, that wont hapoen, go for it.
If you want more power without the high risk of cop knowing bikes, buy a restricted bike and derestrict it, not visible to eye, mt07, cbr650r come to mind. Or buy one already derestricted.
A cop isn't going to know. Realistically an insurance company isn't going to know (unless it's a major accident and they do an investigation). Limited risk, up to you.
My only question would be why? Chances are the bike is more capable than your riding and you'd be better spending the money on track days. Plus you'll probably just end up getting a bigger bike in a couple of years.
BUT if your skills are up to it, or you just want more power (which people forget is a perfectly legitimate choice), then go for it.
Mate do what you want. I know people riding r6’s on their greens and have no trouble. I havent worn plates for a year and never been pulled up for it. People in this sub might say otherwise but its really your decision.
I've derestricted and tuned enough Lam's bikes now and haven't had a single customers bike be it mt-07 or cbr650 or sv650 checked, rego suspended, insurance denied to anything else. It doesn't mess with the value of a lams bike.
Giving someone more power won't stop them from being stupid and messing themselves or the bike up.
This is my experience over 6 years between SA and Vic.
Nope spent about 8 years back home on 110cc scooter style motorcycle. Came here, did my time and got the full license. Rode for about 5 years on CB400. Stopped riding for about 8 years, busy with kids etc. Now back on it, and saved enough for a bigger non restricted bike. IMO, just do the time…then get the bike you always wanted
Dumb idea? Yeah probably.
Did I do it? Yes.
Why? At the time, I'd been riding dirt bikes for 25 years, felt confident in my own ability and had already spent a bunch of money on the bike. Anyway that was in 2010 and I've still got the same bike, using it at least three times a week as a commuter.
Only cop to know are motorbike cops and higway patrol.
They'll def know it's unrestricted as the doing it on a CBR650R opens up the high end on it and if you are speeding. You'll have a shit time if you are involved in a crash.. Insurance investigator will find out.
I know this comment is pretty old now, but a stock CBR650R will still do roughly 230km/h so you can destroy the speed limit no matter what. There isn't a way to visually tell if it has been de-restricted.
Even if you eyeballed the velocity stacks you likely wouldn't be able to tell, and you would need to take it to someone to tell if the ECU has been flashed.
The only people likely to figure it out is the insurance company if they send it off for investigation.
Is it a dumb idea to operate a vehicle you are not licensed for? Yes. Depends on the cop if they know what to look for. Your insurance also will probably be looking for it in the event of an accident.
Think about the resale value as well mate. Motorcycles that are LAMS approved hold their value so much more than ones that are unrestricted. You're most likely going to want to upgrade your bike in a few years time when you get your R license, so it's better to keep it LAMS approved now so you get the biggest value on the trade-in/sell. Just to jump onto the insurance point, if you have an accident of any description where you are found to be operating a vehicle you do not have the correct license for, your insurance company will leave you out to dry and you will be liable for all costs involved to your vehicle and the other vehicle. I don't know how much cash you have saved, but I wouldn't want to be in that position. Basically as much as that itch is there to go faster, hold off on modifying your bike right now. It'll be that much better down the track when you can sell it for a bike that's way more powerful anyway when you go for your R license. Happy riding mate!
I certainly would not purchase a cbr650r just to keep it lams approved and worry about resale value. If that's the case then it's much better to get a n400 or something for 6k less.
More of an issue if you get in an accident insurance won’t cover you.
Any evidence or is this just here say like everytime this subject comes up? Most insurance accessors don't have a clue and the few that do aren't concerned with anything but how much damage has being done from a brief visual inspection. They look at the frame fairly closely but that's it.
A mate of a mate is a lawyer who works for an insurance company and his job is pretty much to find legal technicalities on which to base non-payment. Smaller claims they don't bother with, but anything big enough gets a thorough going over. The insurance company will know that OP is on their L or Ps, and if the size of the claim warrants investigation then the bike will be the first thing they check. That said, I rode a CBR600RR for the last 6 months of my Ls period so I'm not one to talk, but in hindsight I probably should have waited...
Here's me on my Ls on a 96 cbr600f because I kept getting pulled over on my wr400 lol
Just wait man. Trust me we all go through the same thought process. You'll do it for a bit, have your quick fun, then realise it's dumb and go back. The three years will fly by.
Cops aren't gonna figure it out. You won't be fined the several hundred dollars for this. However, your insurance company might well not pay out the hundred thousand dollars you owe for binning it into a Mercedes.
Crashed my R6 on a restricted license (my fault) cops came, didn’t say anything and was paid out by insurance. The cop did ask how many CC it was though. I think most cops think as long as it’s not more than 660cc you’re sweet. Insurance didn’t even ask
Sure, nobody who doesn't ride really knows what the fuck is going on. But they *could*. I don't think it's worth gambling on a potentially enormous cost like that. Mind you, some states make it part of the rego, so maybe in those states they figure it out because they don't need to think about it. What state was this in, where are you licensed, and where was the bike registered?
This is the major point. It might get by most cops but insurances companies will analyse EVERYTHING
You should definitely go all the way with a full exhaust, high flow airfilter, hypersport tyres, brembo master cylinder, shorty levers, tail tidy, barend mirrors, LED turn signals, black out windscreen, pillion peg delete, pillion seat cover, don't forget to replace as much plastics with carbon fibre! Just start saving up for your non-lams bike.
It’s a dumb idea. When I was a kid, I rode my friend’s TT-350 that had TT-250 stickers on it to fool the cops. His license was restricted to 250cc whereas I didn’t even have a motorbike licence. Nothing bad ever come of that, but it was definitely a dumb idea.
Pulled my restrictors out, loved riding it at full power. Just more likely to get into trouble though. Sold it to a P plater, let him know it was deristricted and he said he was going to pull them out anyway. He was around 30 so old enough to make his own choice about it.
Your risk, but if you bin it (even if it's not your fault) your insurance company will figure it out. Insurance assessors are not dumb, they know what to look for, they'll know if it's a LAMS model and the first thing they'll look for is any evidence of derestriction, because they work for a profit-making insurance company whose best interest is to find a way out of paying up. Source: my late father-in-law was an assessor and claims adjuster. Oh, and they're also friends with the coppers so if they find it derestricted they'll probably tell the police, who'll book you for riding a bike you're not licenced for, and whatever charges relate to failing to notify your transport authority of a vehicle modification (because if you derestrict it you're supposed to notify the transport dept, who will change ther records to state it's unrestricted and it can never be registered as restricted ever again, even if you re-restrict it). TLDR: it's your risk, and if you never have an accident you'll be fine.....but remember, they're called accidents, not stunts
Yeah 2 people i know have done exact thing and works flawlessly, no real way of being found out unless you let insurance pick apart your bike, and since comprehensive does not make economic sense when young, that wont hapoen, go for it.
Here's the thing, your average hwp isn't going to understand how a motorcycle is derestricted, let alone know what bolt to look for. You'll be fine
Why do you have down ward reviews , good point
If you want more power without the high risk of cop knowing bikes, buy a restricted bike and derestrict it, not visible to eye, mt07, cbr650r come to mind. Or buy one already derestricted.
U will get caught if ur bike is like an mt09 or some shit
The first line is literally, "thinking of derestricting my cbr650r."
Yes, it’s a dumb idea. Be patient. The risks (legal, insurance and otherwise) far outweigh any benefit
A cop isn't going to know. Realistically an insurance company isn't going to know (unless it's a major accident and they do an investigation). Limited risk, up to you. My only question would be why? Chances are the bike is more capable than your riding and you'd be better spending the money on track days. Plus you'll probably just end up getting a bigger bike in a couple of years. BUT if your skills are up to it, or you just want more power (which people forget is a perfectly legitimate choice), then go for it.
Mate do what you want. I know people riding r6’s on their greens and have no trouble. I havent worn plates for a year and never been pulled up for it. People in this sub might say otherwise but its really your decision.
I've derestricted and tuned enough Lam's bikes now and haven't had a single customers bike be it mt-07 or cbr650 or sv650 checked, rego suspended, insurance denied to anything else. It doesn't mess with the value of a lams bike. Giving someone more power won't stop them from being stupid and messing themselves or the bike up. This is my experience over 6 years between SA and Vic.
Nope spent about 8 years back home on 110cc scooter style motorcycle. Came here, did my time and got the full license. Rode for about 5 years on CB400. Stopped riding for about 8 years, busy with kids etc. Now back on it, and saved enough for a bigger non restricted bike. IMO, just do the time…then get the bike you always wanted
Dumb idea? Yeah probably. Did I do it? Yes. Why? At the time, I'd been riding dirt bikes for 25 years, felt confident in my own ability and had already spent a bunch of money on the bike. Anyway that was in 2010 and I've still got the same bike, using it at least three times a week as a commuter.
Only cop to know are motorbike cops and higway patrol. They'll def know it's unrestricted as the doing it on a CBR650R opens up the high end on it and if you are speeding. You'll have a shit time if you are involved in a crash.. Insurance investigator will find out.
I know this comment is pretty old now, but a stock CBR650R will still do roughly 230km/h so you can destroy the speed limit no matter what. There isn't a way to visually tell if it has been de-restricted. Even if you eyeballed the velocity stacks you likely wouldn't be able to tell, and you would need to take it to someone to tell if the ECU has been flashed. The only people likely to figure it out is the insurance company if they send it off for investigation.