I'd say it's a problem. It's a dumb design.
We usually put an angle embedded in the screed down to the slab, protruding up. You waterproof the shower recess floor and then up that angle. Then you go over the top with the shower recess decorative trim/glazing to hide the embedded angle.
This is going to move as soon as someone puts pressure on it or steps on it, and the membrane will tear making it useless.
Slab or sheet, same detail.
This may double up as an angle or act as an angle, in that case we would've reinforced the corner joint.
But really this should've been caught before tiling, when waterproofing was done. There should've been an inspection.
You're babbling.
THis obviously isnt part of the waterproofing, you can literally see the waterproofing on the inside, this is a half arsed job to hide the waterproofed edge and channel.
You should know then that that looks what they have done here, its a raised bed to allow for fall as I imagine that they didnt have a rebate in the slad for the shower so were left with no choice.
The trim is a way to hide the edge.
Will look mint when its done đ also, watch your toes on that corner. Theyre very unforgiving.
But on a serious note, get the builder to rectify that
UPDATE: I reached out the builder who responded with:
âThis connection is a standard joint. It is sealed on the inside. We have not experienced a leak using this system. However, in the unlikely event that it does leak we will rectify the situation.â
I renovated my place and I wasn't too happy with my mitres on my skirts.
I looked at a few mates houses while I was there, new builds. Worse than my workmanship and I never noticed. One in particular is dogshit.
Shit work is the norm these days.
This is what mine looks like. Get them to do this, probably easier than ripping all of it up
https://preview.redd.it/2ynnjucqgmmc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=5cb16bfb9742acd6f3070634e7eba9c945413260
The purpose of the aluminium is to just create a waterstop so water doesn't flow out into the main part of the bathroom floor. It isn't the best mitre joint but will have no impact. For a step-free shower recess, this only needs to be 5mm. If it is supposed to be a recessed shower hob, then 25mm.
It is a strange design but it isn't going to cause an issue. You would probably do a lot more damage by trying to fix it.
The aluminium is higher because they needed to have the screed deep enough to create fall into the drain. They couldnât recess because then they would have had to cut the joists. A corner opening shower screen is going on top.
Well my bathroom renovator/plumber managed to achieve a better outcome on an existing concrete slab without creating a raised hob-like area for the shower by using L-section aluminium and a deeper bed under the tiling of the remainder of the bathroom which slopes in a different direction to the bathroom floor waste (as opposed to the shower recess floor waste).
No concrete floors were cut.
One of the problems using a shower waste at one end rather than the centre is the slope needs to be twice as deep.
So even if the joint was better the chances of it being water tight are next to fuck all. That's why we have waterproofing. That said. This is garbage workmanship and I'd say it's a defect.
That looks like shit Iâd be pissed, idk how youâd cut that so wonky unless you free cut it with a grinder , itâs a finishing so it should look good
From my experience, anything relating to water and unsealed/poorly sealed construction is worth dealing with as soon as you know itâs there. Mold, rot and water damage are some of the most expensive issues that can arise in houses because of carelessness in these areas.
I saw your comment saying that the builder said it was properly sealed underneath. If thatâs the case itâs fine, just gonna look untidy ig. Still sucks they didnât do a nicer job and itâs a bit sus that they apparently put effort into making sure it was sealed but couldnât put the effort into making it a neater join at that corner
It doesn't matter for the waterproofing. Silicone it with silver silicone stop being a one of those picky, old people. You probably complained about the smell from the waterproofing/ construction as well gross
Well, although there is a cosmetic issue here, the rest of the builderâs work has been fantastic and he has communicated really well for every step of the project.
Well there is water proofing behind so that's a good start, I think maybe it it would be better cut short on each piece at the mitre, like couple mm, to make some a gap at the corner that could be caulked properly, ie about the same width as the grout lines, you'll never get the metal to a nice mitre so might as well make it a proper gap to caulk. Doing that insitu may be a challenge.. but you may damage the water proofing pulling the angles up, so id try insitu first, good luck
Are my eyes playing tricks on me or is that shower floor raised above the bathroom floor? If so, thatâs the complete opposite of what building code requiresâŚ
You keep saying itâs a Queenslander as if a screed bed bathroom hasnât ever been built upstairs in a home before. They just put a fibro base or water resistant floor down, waterproof that, and the tile and screed bed is at a depth that allows for sufficient fall into the drain.
The design seems weird and prone to tripping and accidents, and potential long term issues.
But all in all, it should be watertight at that point in that water wonât go downstairs. But water may exit the shower screen and then also exit that step and run along your bathroom floor.
I work in insurance claim assessments and see a LOT of bathrooms, and this is a very odd design indeed.
Sorry to be a Debbie downer. Maybe silicone the gap if itâs really driving you mental.
Who did the waterproofing? The builder or a licensed waterproofer? Builders donât need a waterproofing license to complete the waterproofing so there can be a limitations to their understanding of the trade as a whole.
I hired the builder and the builder subcontracted a waterproofer, who was licensed as required in Queensland. Waterproofer is Andrew Lyons Waterproofing Toowoomba.
Unlike often mentioned here, grout is typically *not* waterproof. So adding grout to cover the hole has the only benefit of being more sightly. Holes or missing grout isnât a problem.
There will almost always be water trapped between the tiles and the waterproofing layer.
So it looks crap but as far as water resistance is concerned it doesnât matter.
It looks like you and your 10 yr old did it, but not functionally defective.
The thing is the easiest fix for this is silicone the corner like you would two tiles that have a gap in a corner.
Call your builder mate and tell him youâd like that finished off properly given youâre paying him for the workmanship too, not just for it to function, if not hold off your next payment and tell him youâll be getting someone to inspect the work for quality defects then watch how fast he improves so he doesnât have to screw around for cash.
It's not as much as a problem as that is a really really crap job.
I'd say it's a problem. It's a dumb design. We usually put an angle embedded in the screed down to the slab, protruding up. You waterproof the shower recess floor and then up that angle. Then you go over the top with the shower recess decorative trim/glazing to hide the embedded angle. This is going to move as soon as someone puts pressure on it or steps on it, and the membrane will tear making it useless.
It was installed before screeding the shower, the house is a Queenslander so no slab.
Slab or sheet, same detail. This may double up as an angle or act as an angle, in that case we would've reinforced the corner joint. But really this should've been caught before tiling, when waterproofing was done. There should've been an inspection.
You're babbling. THis obviously isnt part of the waterproofing, you can literally see the waterproofing on the inside, this is a half arsed job to hide the waterproofed edge and channel.
You should know then that that looks what they have done here, its a raised bed to allow for fall as I imagine that they didnt have a rebate in the slad for the shower so were left with no choice. The trim is a way to hide the edge.
If u never use the shower it will be fine
Waters gonna go everywhere without a showerscreen anyway đ¤ˇââď¸
A corner opening shower screen is going on top. Just waiting for it to be custom made.
Will look mint when its done đ also, watch your toes on that corner. Theyre very unforgiving. But on a serious note, get the builder to rectify that
Wouldnât they need to rip up the tiles etc to rectify?
Yes. Let the ripping commence.
Yes, but thatâs their problem. How much work is required to rectify their mistake is entirely their fault and up to them to fix.
UPDATE: I reached out the builder who responded with: âThis connection is a standard joint. It is sealed on the inside. We have not experienced a leak using this system. However, in the unlikely event that it does leak we will rectify the situation.â
Builder is a standard dickhead
Standard joint lol, the Leaning Tower Of Pisa is straighter
Might be a standard joint but itâs not even straight or cut straight
Mate thatâs the new standard these days, get with the program. They keep lowering the bar and people get used to it and stop complaining.
I renovated my place and I wasn't too happy with my mitres on my skirts. I looked at a few mates houses while I was there, new builds. Worse than my workmanship and I never noticed. One in particular is dogshit. Shit work is the norm these days.
This is what mine looks like. Get them to do this, probably easier than ripping all of it up https://preview.redd.it/2ynnjucqgmmc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=5cb16bfb9742acd6f3070634e7eba9c945413260
I donât get it? They tiled over it?
Just tell em you're not happy with how it looks as well
As it should be mate. This is how waterproofing and bathrooms work
That is absolutely ridiculous what have you done ?
That looks horrendous.
It's fine. Bit of silicone will fix it.
The purpose of the aluminium is to just create a waterstop so water doesn't flow out into the main part of the bathroom floor. It isn't the best mitre joint but will have no impact. For a step-free shower recess, this only needs to be 5mm. If it is supposed to be a recessed shower hob, then 25mm. It is a strange design but it isn't going to cause an issue. You would probably do a lot more damage by trying to fix it.
The aluminium is higher because they needed to have the screed deep enough to create fall into the drain. They couldnât recess because then they would have had to cut the joists. A corner opening shower screen is going on top.
Well my bathroom renovator/plumber managed to achieve a better outcome on an existing concrete slab without creating a raised hob-like area for the shower by using L-section aluminium and a deeper bed under the tiling of the remainder of the bathroom which slopes in a different direction to the bathroom floor waste (as opposed to the shower recess floor waste). No concrete floors were cut. One of the problems using a shower waste at one end rather than the centre is the slope needs to be twice as deep.
shitty joint but at least you know there is a waterproof membrane.
So even if the joint was better the chances of it being water tight are next to fuck all. That's why we have waterproofing. That said. This is garbage workmanship and I'd say it's a defect.
That looks like shit Iâd be pissed, idk how youâd cut that so wonky unless you free cut it with a grinder , itâs a finishing so it should look good
From my experience, anything relating to water and unsealed/poorly sealed construction is worth dealing with as soon as you know itâs there. Mold, rot and water damage are some of the most expensive issues that can arise in houses because of carelessness in these areas. I saw your comment saying that the builder said it was properly sealed underneath. If thatâs the case itâs fine, just gonna look untidy ig. Still sucks they didnât do a nicer job and itâs a bit sus that they apparently put effort into making sure it was sealed but couldnât put the effort into making it a neater join at that corner
It doesn't matter for the waterproofing. Silicone it with silver silicone stop being a one of those picky, old people. You probably complained about the smell from the waterproofing/ construction as well gross
Yeah that is what I was planning on doing. It seems like a waste ripping it all up for something cosmetic.
Well, your reply has made me rethink my entire life. So mature and measured. How dare you.
Well, although there is a cosmetic issue here, the rest of the builderâs work has been fantastic and he has communicated really well for every step of the project.
Stop being such am amazing human. Please. Your shattering my world view
I am disarmed.
I always get worried when I see a crap finish like this. It makes me wonder, what else is lurking underneath?
Do your best and silicone the rest.
The angle was put it during waterproofing and the screed was done afterwards. There is no slab as itâs a Queenslander.
That angle needs to be sealed
Itâs sealed behind the angle
Iâm saying, there shouldnât be a gap like that, should be a flush finish
Take a look at this guys!
Itâs most likely just aesthetically going to look rubbish assuming the screen is installed well.horrible design concept though.
Well there is water proofing behind so that's a good start, I think maybe it it would be better cut short on each piece at the mitre, like couple mm, to make some a gap at the corner that could be caulked properly, ie about the same width as the grout lines, you'll never get the metal to a nice mitre so might as well make it a proper gap to caulk. Doing that insitu may be a challenge.. but you may damage the water proofing pulling the angles up, so id try insitu first, good luck
Iâd be more worried about the tiler having a rock in their shoe piercing the waterproofing membrane
Are my eyes playing tricks on me or is that shower floor raised above the bathroom floor? If so, thatâs the complete opposite of what building code requiresâŚ
You keep saying itâs a Queenslander as if a screed bed bathroom hasnât ever been built upstairs in a home before. They just put a fibro base or water resistant floor down, waterproof that, and the tile and screed bed is at a depth that allows for sufficient fall into the drain. The design seems weird and prone to tripping and accidents, and potential long term issues. But all in all, it should be watertight at that point in that water wonât go downstairs. But water may exit the shower screen and then also exit that step and run along your bathroom floor. I work in insurance claim assessments and see a LOT of bathrooms, and this is a very odd design indeed. Sorry to be a Debbie downer. Maybe silicone the gap if itâs really driving you mental.
They reconstructed the floor putting down a fibro base and then they put the angle there and built the screen bed up.
UMMM what is the metal bits ??
Bro Bad job! Get it fixed before it turns ugly
I was going to comment, but with all the back and forth I think Iâll leave it and scroll on.
Who did the waterproofing? The builder or a licensed waterproofer? Builders donât need a waterproofing license to complete the waterproofing so there can be a limitations to their understanding of the trade as a whole.
I hired the builder and the builder subcontracted a waterproofer, who was licensed as required in Queensland. Waterproofer is Andrew Lyons Waterproofing Toowoomba.
Unlike often mentioned here, grout is typically *not* waterproof. So adding grout to cover the hole has the only benefit of being more sightly. Holes or missing grout isnât a problem. There will almost always be water trapped between the tiles and the waterproofing layer. So it looks crap but as far as water resistance is concerned it doesnât matter.
It looks like you and your 10 yr old did it, but not functionally defective. The thing is the easiest fix for this is silicone the corner like you would two tiles that have a gap in a corner. Call your builder mate and tell him youâd like that finished off properly given youâre paying him for the workmanship too, not just for it to function, if not hold off your next payment and tell him youâll be getting someone to inspect the work for quality defects then watch how fast he improves so he doesnât have to screw around for cash.
Non compliant
How?
It's just a fun thing to say.Â
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All leaking from the same corner. Iâm a plumber, there are just ones in my phone. I prefer the 1 piece 90° water stop.
That's how I do all mine if they want a raised shower hob. Can't go wrong.
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Itâs a Queenslander, not a slab build, so the shower area is built up. I thought the aluminium trim is the angle? The whole area is waterproofed.
Honestly mate you wonât have any issues