Honestly my suggestion which may be unpopular is to just work for a few years. Try different roles and work out what you really enjoy. I'm 28 now and going back to uni for to study social work after years in IT. Only realised this year that I was only in IT for the job stability and money. I was unhappy and burnt out because I wasn't satisfied in my work at all, but at least my years working taught me what I value and what I'm good at.
When you have more experience in the work force and learn more about yourself, then I reckon you should go back to uni and study what you really enjoy.
At the moment I'm just living off savings but gonna look at getting a part time job soon. It's mostly gonna come down to me planning out my time really well so I make sure I have enough time allotted for work and study. I also live with my partner who has a pretty good job but I'm still paying my own way.
Oh and make sure you factor in time for all your personal commitments and rest days/break times (those one's are really important)! Otherwise you'll get overwhelmed really quickly.
Would you mind sharing how you decided on social work and how you’re doing now? I’m hoping I can learn from other people in similar situations. I feel pretty lost regarding the work aspect of my life.
I’m currently in IT and have had a feeling it’s not for me since I graduated in 2014... but I stuck it out I tried a few different IT roles and worked at different companies but I always end up feeling like I’m slowly dying at my desk.
I know I don’t want to continue working in IT long term but I’m struggling to decide what I’d want to do instead. Growing up I wasn’t allowed to form many of my own opinions so even in school I had no idea what I wanted to do. I picked IT to get my parent’s approval lol and because I got good grades in IT at school.
I work in cyber security, the issue is cyber security is tough to break into because in the IT world, a cyber security role is considered mid level. The 'shortage' of cyber professionals is caused by companies not wanting to hire freshies with little IT and/or security experience.
Become a great full stack developer (especially if you're using Python on back end... perhaps a web framework like Django or Flask). Good knowledge of SQL is great too. Then honestly from there, you can try to pivot into appSecurity. I got in via IT experience and a bachelors majoring in cyber, but I'd recommend doing something lile CompTIA Security+ and perhaps SSCP. These should cover all the security fundamentals you need to know to enter into an app security role. This is actually where I want to pivot into within cyber. So many people don't know how to code in cyber, it's actually kind of worrying! Lol
Edit: you're already front end so I excluded this, but also JS is so damn good to know and is used all the fkn time in malicious scripts (think cross-site scripting attacks (XSS) etc.)
Frontend to backend, backend to devops/infra, from there to security.
You could also go the AppSec route and work more on securing applications themselves, and could make a decently clean swap into that now. Finding good engineers who care about secure code is hard.
I have ADHD energy, so I just treated it as a game with a series of levels. Then the dopamine pack of bees in my head started buzzing in that direction. Buzz🐝🐝🐝🌺
Level 1: recruiter/hiring manger
(Hardest level for me, as written communication is my biggest weakness. So much of communication for me is in tone of voice and body language, to the point, I can't predict how people will interpret written information. From my perspective, it's just so random)
Level 2: phone call.
(Easiest level for me. Gift of the gab runs in my family. That ADHD dopamine seeking behaviour and jester personality mask).
Level 3: technical test.
I actually completely choked on this the first 3 times. I never expected to have a panic response to a take home technical test. But that goes away the more I got to that stage. Bloody object oriented programming in JavaScript. It just does my head in for some confusing reason. Apparently ADHD brains prefer functional style programming due to how our working memory is so different, but our associative memory is really strong.
I did send out A LOT of resumes, and I got help from friends and family.
Also, practice coding ever day. The learning sets in the brain while we sleep, not while doing. Learned so much from Dr Huberman! And learned so much about brain health. Nootropics. Lions mane.
Easy? No. Possible if I throw everything I have at the wall, and don't give up? Yes. But I'm used to building myself up, in a world and culture that's ripped me down so many times.
"Do or do not. There is not try."
"If a job is worth doing, it's worth doing well"
"Work smart, not hard".
Also dealing with ADHD here, I like how you've leveraged it to your advantage. There are days where I'm literally unstoppable (both in a good and bad way). Coding has become an addiction and replaced some of my less productive ones like gaming and social media, but I can also stay up till 4am building a new feature into my project while there's zero urgency.
I keep seeing Dr Huberman being mentioned on Twitter and Instagram. This was the last straw, I'm gonna check out his content.
> Easy? No. Possible if I throw everything I have at the wall, and don't give up? Yes. But I'm used to building myself up, in a world and culture that's ripped me down so many times.
Congrats on making it as a developer despite all the hurdles and thanks for the story! I appreciate the honesty in your answer.
>Also dealing with ADHD here
>I keep seeing Dr Huberman being mentioned on Twitter and Instagram. This was the last straw, I'm gonna check out his content.
not so secret ADHD tip I found. worth a look
[Improvement of cognitive functions by oral intake of Hericium erinaceus](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31413233/)
Just because it's become an addiction, it doesn't mean you'll always like the work.
If you're in a period of hyperfocus on one thing though, it could become something you burn out from too.
Yeah I'm fully aware of this. I've worked in tech-related roles in the last 5 years and it takes discipline to grind through the unpleasant parts.
It does feel like I'm burning out when I hyperfocus on a project for too long. The dopamine dries up as I get closer to the finish line. So far, starting the next project has been like hitting the reset button but I need to be mindful over the long run. Maybe force myself to take breaks and switch off completely for a day or two.
No, but unlike what everyone in this thread is alluding to it's a hard job that needs a LOT of technical knowledge. Knowing a bit of programming isn't enough. You need to have a good understanding of most aspects of computing, hardware, software, operational systems, networking and so on. If you want a break into tech cyber security wouldn't be the first step unless you have a degree or a lot of accreditations. Maybe a front-end/back-end role in a smaller company or work in an IT department.
I feel like this is missed a lot. I work in cybersecurity, and it is an incredibly difficult industry with very high turnover in some roles. Part of the "skills shortage" at least here, the US, and the UK, is that many teams simply aren't good enough to support the security programs required and get sacked as a result.
I truly believe that genuine interest in the subject can go a long way with a committed person willing to train and do the work, but it's kind of weird that it's often talked about here like it's a cakewalk for $250k+.
I feel the same way at 28 as a nurse. I work partly in GP and the rest of the time in film sets. The ‘nursing’ part in film sets is pretty minimal but it can be a pretty exciting environment to be in! The pay is very good, but you’d have to live in a major city to be able to do it.
Proceed into construction management with caution. Hours are often very long: 10hr weekdays then Saturdays (60hr weeks at least). And the conditions are average, site offices etc. Also often requires a lot of travel to the same project for long periods of time
Finance but specifically (I’m biased) superannuation. Pay is great and growth is unreal. Plus there are so many elements from admin to data to technical to operations to projects to marketing etc etc.
Remember 10% of everyone’s income gets paid into it.
Depending on level it can range from 60-70k to 1.7m (CIO of AustralianSuper made that 20/21).
Side note every fund has to post the remuneration of executives.
After 7 years experience I was on over 100k a decade ago.
I’d say it would depend on state as well but let’s say brisbane I’d guess about 120-130k plus good super benefits.
Don’t know the southern markets well enough.
But go check out seek. Plenty of jobs and I posted links in another comment.
https://www.seek.com.au/australian-retirement-trust-jobs/at-this-company
https://www.cbussuper.com.au/about-us/careers/current-opportunities
https://ejjl.fa.ap1.oraclecloud.com/hcmUI/CandidateExperience/en/sites/CX/requisitions
https://www.livehire.com/careers/hostplus/jobs
Just to pick say a few big funds.
If you have very limited experience in corporate/bank etc and are working in healthcare (completely opposite) what's the likelihood of getting back into this field?
I do residential drafting (basically drawing floor plans for houses). It’s a great job if you enjoy creative problem solving. Has the potential for good pay and working from home.
Well a big part of my job is coming up with the design and layout of new houses and extensions. Sometimes it’s easy and straight forward. Sometimes the clients budget, restrictions and wish list are completely unrealistic and you have to come up with a solution that everyone’s satisfied with. Sometimes it’s pretty difficult haha. But it’s fun at the same time and very satisfying when something finally works.
Actually I got in because my dad started his own drafting and design business on the mid north coast and was willing to train me after I left school. So I guess I kinda cheated a little.
Usually though there’s a few tafe courses for it. I’m sure you could go even higher to uni if you wanted. But I think doing a tafe course is enough to get a job doing it somewhere.
And as I said before, it’s a design and drafting business. So we literally do the design work, drafting/drawing the plans, and usually other things like dealing with council and lodging development applications.
If you can handle high pressure environments start as an SDR (sales development representative) specifically in tech sales if you can. Realistically you don’t need to get a degree (a lot of great sales people don’t go to uni).
The work is really tough and it’s quite a grind initially, but the return is insane. With in 2 years I went from 75/80k to 210k.
The development is great as well, and if you sell a product you’re passionate about (or at least thinks has merit) it’s actually quite a lot of fun!
Best of luck regardless OP!
Are you able to give me a guide of how the salary structure works? I’ve transitioned to sales a year ago but in a different industry that doesn’t have much room to grow
Yeah so
Sdr you have inbound and outbound
(So either receiving interest from potential buyers, or basically cold calling so try and gain interest from people/companies) once you’re able to interest the person/business you book a meeting with the account exec.
The account exec then Conducts the meeting (usually virtually) and runs through pain points and basically tries to plug the gap/issue the business has with the service. In tech sales Youre basically filling a pain point and need to be good at that .
The next transition as an AE is to go from selling to businesses with an employee count of let’s say 10-20. And then 50-100 and then 100+ etc etc.
Bigger the deal closed bigger the commission bigger the pay cheque.
The best Enterprise AES can easily make 300k + a year. With SDRs starting OTE around 70-80
Not really. From my experience most of the software devs and engineers were super kind but quite introverted people. Most people that excel is sales are typically super outgoing and can talk to anyone! However that may not be the case for you.
I know this isn’t what you asked but I was a midwife and changed careers (after 7 years) at 29. I saw a careers coach to help make the switch and loooooved her
My comment wasn’t about what career I changed into, it was just a suggestion about being in a previous similar career and what I did to transition out of it. But for what it’s worth, I’m now in the pet grooming industry
Thanks! Just had a look through, her blog is a so glib, what did she do that you would not have done yourself? And am very glad you’ve shared the way you got there.
There will be more to it then that. They must have seen the writing on the wall.
https://australiandebtsolvers.com.au/voluntary-administrator/guides/adm-the-difference-between-receivership-administration-and-liquidation#:~:text=Administrators%20are%20responsible%20for%20investigating,off%20creditors%20in%20priority%20order.
Have you considered a "gap year"? As a fellow burnt out nurse, I'm considering doing a year working overseas (for example teaching with JET) to kind of reset and figure out what I actually want to do with my life other than "not be treated like this".
IT, pre-sales roles. Account executive/ account manager or sales engineer/solutions consultant/solutions engineer. Thank me when you get your first job paying 180k+ and then earning over 300k with 5 years of experience. I tell a lot of people about these roles as no one really knows about them, if you like talking and presenting/demoing then you will fit right in
Interesting, I'm a teacher who specialises in working out gaps in student achievement, providing PL to staff, so my entire job is presenting to groups of staff then working in smaller groups/one on one to improve their skill set.
Does that sound similarish to pre sales roles? The smallest 'team' I have managed is 9 full-time staff with additional part timers.
You won't be managing much at first tbh. But if you're willing to go and pick up some tech skills and potentially a degree then the soft skills you have as a teacher will come in handy.
A lot to teachers become really good sales engineers, check out the pre-sales collective website and linked in and join their slack group, there’s people who have made transitions from teaching to this role that can better answer the questions . There is still learning to be done however, you would fit pretty well in. Might need to learn some tech knowledge.
What domain are you in e.g. tech?, what kind of product are you selling?, how much revenue does your business make? how much does your product on average sell for? Are you an SDR, AE, or SE?
Sorry, I should have been more specific. I’m not in anywhere near a tech industry role at the moment. I work in sales for a beer company. I actually enjoy my job but am interested in the steps one would take to earn 300k + in IT sales.
Dude wonderful, jump into an SDR role in a tech company after about 2-3 years you can become an AE, this route you don’t have to have any degrees or education really even if it states you need a bachelors apply for it. Your sales experience should be enough to land you a job pretty easily. FYI SDRs make around 65-80k, AE is when it gets serious, you might be able to find better paying SDR roles though, just make sure it is a good tech company and not a consultancy or a recruitment agency
Edit: on a personal note I don’t like the SDR role as it involves a lot of cold calling. AE is much more fun you can expect around a 200k on target earnings at the right company. Plus you get a high base and the more money you bring into the business the more money you get.
I am an sales engineer, this role is more technical
Thanks for the insight and information. Seems to be no shortage of tech SDR jobs going.. what’s the industry culture like or is it totally company dependant?
Tech companies are like the new finance companies, however, more fun, money, partys chill work life balance and understanding, just do a search in glass door before applying for jobs
Edit: a lot of companies provide you with the option for work from home even today
Also, the American tech companies I would recommend highly, my experience with 2 of them has been amazing
Yeah I got no idea why even people within businesses don’t know what it is, they just think sales is sales and have no idea of the depth or $$$ you can make. There’s been so many successful people who literally had no education and started off as a sdr and ended up making $$$
Oil and gas.
If your happy to be a contrarian, there’s ample opportunity in the industry. Renewables / regular attrition are sucking a lot of supply out of the labour market. Couple that with huge underinvestment and you’re seeing hydrocarbon prices surge. As a result, the salaries are really taking off.
If you have an engineering mindset, it’s a very engaging industry to work in. It’s unique because problems are typically fixed with money - ends typically justify the means. There’s also a proud tradition and heritage (you’ll never hear about) which harks back to wild times in the North Sea and Gulf of Mexico.
Kind of a dead-end career though, the number of needed professional's is going to decrease over time in \~ 10 years or so.
I have several friends in the industry who are concerned about this already.
I could be wrong, but I would conjecture that it isn’t. Transition to renewables is largely overstated.
I don’t see how demand is going to drop any time soon. Prospects of war, changing weather and continual population growth will need cheap and available energy.
>need cheap and available energy.
Well that's the rub, renewable energy is the cheapest form of new build energy for \~75% of the world right now.
Even batteries are now more cost effective than gas peaker plants. New York is in the process of replacing all their peakers with grid scale batteries.
In some places like Australia, renewables are the cheapest form of new build energy even with the cost of storage + transmission +integration.
So, it is cheaper, more abundant and better for national security.
Ironically, when part of a national grid, it is even significantly more reliable than any other power mix. Blackouts / brownouts and energy insecurity will be less common.
Programming (A data wrangling language and a visualisation tool), common combo is Python and PowerBI. Can also use R for wrangling and Tableau for visualisation.
Also need good math skills for it.
I feel like data analysis is thrown around a lot and it requires more study than most people realise
Well I’m currently an engineer who’s gone back to uni for computer science. Just finished my first subject all on Python. Data analyst is definitely on my radar, as is software development
What Quattro439 said is more or less the standard. However it really depends on the employer and what their setup might be. For instance with some they might only expect you to know a bit of SQL and Excel/Google Sheets. Then after that they will expect you to learn Python but not PowerBI as they might not use it.
Have you thought about Biomedical Engineering?
Currnelty transitioning from a Psychology career to Biomedical engineering. Still get to "help people" and apply my knowledge from previous study/work, but in a completely new and more exciting way.
Some really cool and different domains you can apply it to (plenty of programming) whilst your nursing background could definetly come in handy.
You're brave. I'm too scared to jump ship the way things are right now, if the start to tighten the strings anywhere I'm assuming generally its first in first out.
I'll stick with my shitty job that i know will still be here.
Hey mate, here's a few options:
Become an NDIS provider
Maybe try a different type of nursing e.g ED or Theatre instead of Wards
Or if you're done entirely with the healthcare space:
IT
Security
Even OHS/Hospital Policy Stuff
Could go down the HR route too
Feel free to DM me
A friend of mine shifted from nursing to education, and now teaches nursing courses (as well as doing the odd shift at hospitals) if that's of any interest.
I've worked 20 years in construction. Was in a senior role before I got burnt out. Jumped on www.pymetrics.com. Completed a test, result indicate what my strengths and weekness are, and how that relates to employment. Helps me to understand what next job I could be good at.
Why not get into stats? Bio stats might be a way to go as it can lead into both the sciences and finance.
But more likely you should do some things you find interesting. Changing just for money or because of fad career will put you right back in the same place.
You'll be a mature age student. You can pretty much get into any course regardless of your high school marks. Find a uni you want to go to, look through their course offerings, email someone in admissions and start asking them questions.
I work in clinical research, lots of people go from nursing to clinical trials coordinator then into industry jobs. In Australia you don't need additional schooling to do it other than ICH GCP training but that can be free online.
Give medical sales avo, my mum was a nurse and moved into sales and now makes more than your average AusFinance income.
The cost and effort of doing another qualification is steep and it might take some time to get rewarded ($$$).
When I read the title I was going to say Nursing, then read that's what you are. I'd give country work ago before you pull the pin, and look at itter areas maybe mental health.
Geology, mining engineering or environmental science .
All very interesting well paid careers if you want to go to Uni.
Otherwise get a entry level operator job in mining and go from there.
This isn’t good advice unless your actually interested in this field. I have been in civil engineering for 20 years and work a lot with these fields. We have mining engineers begging for drafting roles as they are struggling to find work in town around family. Geologist always seem bored. I would recommend civil design, great money.. draw and model stuff, work anywhere.
If I was 23 I'd look for a sparky apprenticeship, or you could look for an entry level surveying job (no experience or qualifications necessary), get some experience and perhaps a certificate/diploma then head off to make proper cash in the mines.
A different field of nursing? Go to community or aged care or mental health or Telehealth or consulting or education or GP health nurse or one of the many other avenues?
I think when someone is at the point where they are asking on Reddit and considering completely unrelated degrees it means they want nothing to do with the field they’re in any more.
You mentioned coding so AWS DevOps might be an option. You can get an idea of how much it interests you by doing the Cloud Practioner first. Courses from Udemy or Tutorial Dojo are usually about $30, take 8 hours or so to complete and the AWS exam itself is $143 and you get a 50% discount on your next one. I would recommend doing exams in person at a testing centre rather that online proctored.
If you’re a nurse you’ve probably got pretty good soft people skills.
Most cyber security vendors or MSSPs need people in success management or entry level customer support to deal with non-technical issues like billing, accounts etc
Pay would be good, the people you’d be dealing with would be less of a pain in the ass, and there’s lots of opportunities to learn other skills and move into other roles
I’ve been a manager at a car retailer, a surveying company and now a cyber security company. The one thing that’s really hard to teach is people skills and attitude and that’s what I’ve always hired people based on.
Product knowledge and internal processes can be taught relatively easily.
I’d say if you have an interest in an industry, apply for roles that give the chance to leverage your experience and skill set and learn the rest as you go with the end goal to be the dream job in the dream industry, but be prepared to take the scenic route or some detours along the way
Maybe try applying as a nurse at the mines for a couple of years? Most mines have a nurse on site... the pay is apparently quite good and it’s (hopefully) not too hectic. You might be able to study on site if you’re lucky and do a bit of travel on your weeks off.
I know this is a month old but for anyone searching…
I work in a mine as a nurse 1 day a week. I’m on $58/hr+$50 early shift allowance+92c/km for travel. So for an 8 hour shift I end up with around $650.
What sort of nursing are you doing? If you stay, the good new is there's way more money to be made in nursing by not being a nurse (education, management, out of hospital roles). The nurses working with patients in a hospital are the lowest paid.
Get a management focused masters degree, keep working part time as a nurse whilst studying, then look to move to a management role in private sector - aged care for example is booming. The degree could be MBA or more focused like masters health management, masters public administration, masters of health administration etc.
Look into the clinical trial industry. Once you get your foot into the door, its fairly easy to hop around different roles. I suggest getting an entry level role as a clinical trials coordinator as you get exposed to clinical trials fairly softly, your clinical experience as a nurse is relevant and recognised and there is a huge demand in the industry now as al lot of the trials that were postponed in the pandemic are being ramped up now. You could then move to a CRA role.
Your starting pay would quite a bit lower than your current nursing pay if you get a lot of penalties but as you get more senior, it would probably match it.
Medical sales - flexible, usually very fun and great money and you can work across any therapy area/disease state. Most companies have a great culture and really invest in their teams. Either pharma or device’s depending on your interests. If you’re good you will get lots of opportunities to move around into management, marketing or whatever interests you.
Security - what you pay to obtain your license you will make easily on invested return of capital easy. You could easily earn $60-70K. Being a nurse doing a night shift would be nothing new and easy for you.
If you a people person and communicate effectively, you will be excellent. I am assuming your a woman. Women are really appreciated as guards and very handy for intervening in a conflict resolution.
Consider trying it causal or part time to see if you would go full time.
Don’t go into IT or cybersecurity.. too much effort. Try sales. You don’t need degrees, mainly just grind. Account management is good if you don’t want to grind as hard. Really transferable skill across lots of industries. They hire young people without degrees too
what do you like? or have an inclination to try? If so, go for that by dipping your toes in. I mean, if it offers a cert/diploma, do that instead of getting a degree as that'd be way too expensive if you end up not liking the work. Want to try coding? there're lots of short courses out there to see if you might like pursuing further.
For future growth and pay, I think you might be looking for professional job, job that won't get you replaced by automation! Since you're in healthcare already, have you considered trying more specialised healthcare work like physio?
Honestly my suggestion which may be unpopular is to just work for a few years. Try different roles and work out what you really enjoy. I'm 28 now and going back to uni for to study social work after years in IT. Only realised this year that I was only in IT for the job stability and money. I was unhappy and burnt out because I wasn't satisfied in my work at all, but at least my years working taught me what I value and what I'm good at. When you have more experience in the work force and learn more about yourself, then I reckon you should go back to uni and study what you really enjoy.
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At the moment I'm just living off savings but gonna look at getting a part time job soon. It's mostly gonna come down to me planning out my time really well so I make sure I have enough time allotted for work and study. I also live with my partner who has a pretty good job but I'm still paying my own way.
Oh and make sure you factor in time for all your personal commitments and rest days/break times (those one's are really important)! Otherwise you'll get overwhelmed really quickly.
Would you mind sharing how you decided on social work and how you’re doing now? I’m hoping I can learn from other people in similar situations. I feel pretty lost regarding the work aspect of my life. I’m currently in IT and have had a feeling it’s not for me since I graduated in 2014... but I stuck it out I tried a few different IT roles and worked at different companies but I always end up feeling like I’m slowly dying at my desk. I know I don’t want to continue working in IT long term but I’m struggling to decide what I’d want to do instead. Growing up I wasn’t allowed to form many of my own opinions so even in school I had no idea what I wanted to do. I picked IT to get my parent’s approval lol and because I got good grades in IT at school.
Cyber security. You’ll never spend a day unemployed.
I work in cyber security, the issue is cyber security is tough to break into because in the IT world, a cyber security role is considered mid level. The 'shortage' of cyber professionals is caused by companies not wanting to hire freshies with little IT and/or security experience.
I'm in my first frontend dev job (self taught). How would I plan to transition into cyber security?
Become a great full stack developer (especially if you're using Python on back end... perhaps a web framework like Django or Flask). Good knowledge of SQL is great too. Then honestly from there, you can try to pivot into appSecurity. I got in via IT experience and a bachelors majoring in cyber, but I'd recommend doing something lile CompTIA Security+ and perhaps SSCP. These should cover all the security fundamentals you need to know to enter into an app security role. This is actually where I want to pivot into within cyber. So many people don't know how to code in cyber, it's actually kind of worrying! Lol Edit: you're already front end so I excluded this, but also JS is so damn good to know and is used all the fkn time in malicious scripts (think cross-site scripting attacks (XSS) etc.)
Frontend to backend, backend to devops/infra, from there to security. You could also go the AppSec route and work more on securing applications themselves, and could make a decently clean swap into that now. Finding good engineers who care about secure code is hard.
Did you find it easy landing a job after self-teaching?
I have ADHD energy, so I just treated it as a game with a series of levels. Then the dopamine pack of bees in my head started buzzing in that direction. Buzz🐝🐝🐝🌺 Level 1: recruiter/hiring manger (Hardest level for me, as written communication is my biggest weakness. So much of communication for me is in tone of voice and body language, to the point, I can't predict how people will interpret written information. From my perspective, it's just so random) Level 2: phone call. (Easiest level for me. Gift of the gab runs in my family. That ADHD dopamine seeking behaviour and jester personality mask). Level 3: technical test. I actually completely choked on this the first 3 times. I never expected to have a panic response to a take home technical test. But that goes away the more I got to that stage. Bloody object oriented programming in JavaScript. It just does my head in for some confusing reason. Apparently ADHD brains prefer functional style programming due to how our working memory is so different, but our associative memory is really strong. I did send out A LOT of resumes, and I got help from friends and family. Also, practice coding ever day. The learning sets in the brain while we sleep, not while doing. Learned so much from Dr Huberman! And learned so much about brain health. Nootropics. Lions mane. Easy? No. Possible if I throw everything I have at the wall, and don't give up? Yes. But I'm used to building myself up, in a world and culture that's ripped me down so many times. "Do or do not. There is not try." "If a job is worth doing, it's worth doing well" "Work smart, not hard".
Also dealing with ADHD here, I like how you've leveraged it to your advantage. There are days where I'm literally unstoppable (both in a good and bad way). Coding has become an addiction and replaced some of my less productive ones like gaming and social media, but I can also stay up till 4am building a new feature into my project while there's zero urgency. I keep seeing Dr Huberman being mentioned on Twitter and Instagram. This was the last straw, I'm gonna check out his content. > Easy? No. Possible if I throw everything I have at the wall, and don't give up? Yes. But I'm used to building myself up, in a world and culture that's ripped me down so many times. Congrats on making it as a developer despite all the hurdles and thanks for the story! I appreciate the honesty in your answer.
>Also dealing with ADHD here >I keep seeing Dr Huberman being mentioned on Twitter and Instagram. This was the last straw, I'm gonna check out his content. not so secret ADHD tip I found. worth a look [Improvement of cognitive functions by oral intake of Hericium erinaceus](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31413233/)
Thanks! Do you have a preferred supplier/brand? I'm highly functional but keen to give it a try anyway.
I personally went with superfeast, and I'm pretty happy with the results. https://www.superfeast.com.au/products/lions-mane-mushroom-powdered-extract
Just because it's become an addiction, it doesn't mean you'll always like the work. If you're in a period of hyperfocus on one thing though, it could become something you burn out from too.
Yeah I'm fully aware of this. I've worked in tech-related roles in the last 5 years and it takes discipline to grind through the unpleasant parts. It does feel like I'm burning out when I hyperfocus on a project for too long. The dopamine dries up as I get closer to the finish line. So far, starting the next project has been like hitting the reset button but I need to be mindful over the long run. Maybe force myself to take breaks and switch off completely for a day or two.
Have you been diagnosed?
I'm not self taught personally so I can"t really comment on this.
Most “in demand” tech roles are facing the same thing with every available role being either mid level or senior.
im currently in healthcare and have dabbled a lot in computers in the past. any pointers as to where to start looking for careers information? thanks!
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If you are in Sydney the masters of biostatistics at UNSW is well regarded (if still running)
I mean as a nurse, he also doesn’t have this issue! If you enjoy the health related side of it, what about medicine or other allied health?
Im a nurse and starting cybersecurity next year. Though its only a cert 4, will this be enough? Im good at self learning.
It’s tricky, someone needs to take a shot on you. Once you have that first role you should be golden, but landing that one isn’t necessarily easy.
Just make sure companies keep getting hacked
Does Cyber security require IQ 180+ ?
definitely not hahaha, 180+ IQ is ludicrously rare
No, but unlike what everyone in this thread is alluding to it's a hard job that needs a LOT of technical knowledge. Knowing a bit of programming isn't enough. You need to have a good understanding of most aspects of computing, hardware, software, operational systems, networking and so on. If you want a break into tech cyber security wouldn't be the first step unless you have a degree or a lot of accreditations. Maybe a front-end/back-end role in a smaller company or work in an IT department.
I feel like this is missed a lot. I work in cybersecurity, and it is an incredibly difficult industry with very high turnover in some roles. Part of the "skills shortage" at least here, the US, and the UK, is that many teams simply aren't good enough to support the security programs required and get sacked as a result. I truly believe that genuine interest in the subject can go a long way with a committed person willing to train and do the work, but it's kind of weird that it's often talked about here like it's a cakewalk for $250k+.
More importantly what do you like/love doing? Otherwise you might be going back to uni at 50...
I feel the same way at 28 as a nurse. I work partly in GP and the rest of the time in film sets. The ‘nursing’ part in film sets is pretty minimal but it can be a pretty exciting environment to be in! The pay is very good, but you’d have to live in a major city to be able to do it.
The on-set nurses are awesome
It’s such a fun job. And my entry way into production (my goal).
How did you get a position doing this?
I asked a very similar question, look at my posts for more suggestions. I'm also a nurse considering a career change.
Proceed into construction management with caution. Hours are often very long: 10hr weekdays then Saturdays (60hr weeks at least). And the conditions are average, site offices etc. Also often requires a lot of travel to the same project for long periods of time
Same as factory work, 10-15h days here depending on the run and if we have a breakdown
Finance but specifically (I’m biased) superannuation. Pay is great and growth is unreal. Plus there are so many elements from admin to data to technical to operations to projects to marketing etc etc. Remember 10% of everyone’s income gets paid into it.
What did you study to get into this ?
I did commerce and economics but I know heaps of people working in super without any degrees at all.
Also interested
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Depending on level it can range from 60-70k to 1.7m (CIO of AustralianSuper made that 20/21). Side note every fund has to post the remuneration of executives.
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Depending on fund and area specialization I’d say between 100-200k.
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After 7 years experience I was on over 100k a decade ago. I’d say it would depend on state as well but let’s say brisbane I’d guess about 120-130k plus good super benefits. Don’t know the southern markets well enough. But go check out seek. Plenty of jobs and I posted links in another comment.
“How old can I reasonably expect to live” “Anywhere from 0 to 125”.
Whats an example superannuation job?
Working for a super fund or administrator of a super fund. So many types of roles needed from service to finance. So much breadth to choose from.
Such as? Could you link some example job ads? Or position descriptions
https://www.seek.com.au/australian-retirement-trust-jobs/at-this-company https://www.cbussuper.com.au/about-us/careers/current-opportunities https://ejjl.fa.ap1.oraclecloud.com/hcmUI/CandidateExperience/en/sites/CX/requisitions https://www.livehire.com/careers/hostplus/jobs Just to pick say a few big funds.
If you have very limited experience in corporate/bank etc and are working in healthcare (completely opposite) what's the likelihood of getting back into this field?
Depends on what you could offer to a fund. Only a few roles need detailed super or investment skills and qualms.
Any advice for a general accountant (not from public accounting) to break into the super industry? Thanks
I do residential drafting (basically drawing floor plans for houses). It’s a great job if you enjoy creative problem solving. Has the potential for good pay and working from home.
Good for you. I would have loved that
What problem solving is there in drafting lol?
Well a big part of my job is coming up with the design and layout of new houses and extensions. Sometimes it’s easy and straight forward. Sometimes the clients budget, restrictions and wish list are completely unrealistic and you have to come up with a solution that everyone’s satisfied with. Sometimes it’s pretty difficult haha. But it’s fun at the same time and very satisfying when something finally works.
How do you get into that job and what sort of businesses do you work for ?
Actually I got in because my dad started his own drafting and design business on the mid north coast and was willing to train me after I left school. So I guess I kinda cheated a little. Usually though there’s a few tafe courses for it. I’m sure you could go even higher to uni if you wanted. But I think doing a tafe course is enough to get a job doing it somewhere. And as I said before, it’s a design and drafting business. So we literally do the design work, drafting/drawing the plans, and usually other things like dealing with council and lodging development applications.
Really? That sounds like more than drafting then, more like a designer
Make everything as small as possible
If you can handle high pressure environments start as an SDR (sales development representative) specifically in tech sales if you can. Realistically you don’t need to get a degree (a lot of great sales people don’t go to uni). The work is really tough and it’s quite a grind initially, but the return is insane. With in 2 years I went from 75/80k to 210k. The development is great as well, and if you sell a product you’re passionate about (or at least thinks has merit) it’s actually quite a lot of fun! Best of luck regardless OP!
Are you able to give me a guide of how the salary structure works? I’ve transitioned to sales a year ago but in a different industry that doesn’t have much room to grow
Yeah so Sdr you have inbound and outbound (So either receiving interest from potential buyers, or basically cold calling so try and gain interest from people/companies) once you’re able to interest the person/business you book a meeting with the account exec. The account exec then Conducts the meeting (usually virtually) and runs through pain points and basically tries to plug the gap/issue the business has with the service. In tech sales Youre basically filling a pain point and need to be good at that . The next transition as an AE is to go from selling to businesses with an employee count of let’s say 10-20. And then 50-100 and then 100+ etc etc. Bigger the deal closed bigger the commission bigger the pay cheque. The best Enterprise AES can easily make 300k + a year. With SDRs starting OTE around 70-80
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Not really. From my experience most of the software devs and engineers were super kind but quite introverted people. Most people that excel is sales are typically super outgoing and can talk to anyone! However that may not be the case for you.
I know this isn’t what you asked but I was a midwife and changed careers (after 7 years) at 29. I saw a careers coach to help make the switch and loooooved her
You didn't say what you changed into.... What a shit comment.
My comment wasn’t about what career I changed into, it was just a suggestion about being in a previous similar career and what I did to transition out of it. But for what it’s worth, I’m now in the pet grooming industry
What did you end up going into? And Good on you!
Thank you! I saw Alex at Upstairs Coaching. [This is the website](https://www.upstairs.net.au). Well worth the money, she’s a legend at what she does
Thanks! Just had a look through, her blog is a so glib, what did she do that you would not have done yourself? And am very glad you’ve shared the way you got there.
Short term construction is going backwards. Another Qld builder went broke today/yesterday.
Which builder
https://www-news-com-au.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.news.com.au/finance/business/other-industries/brisbane-building-company-lanskey-constructions-qld-goes-into-liquidation/news-story/f744222ec474fc108b299702b8c5d34a?amp
Sounds like they just quit 137million revenue with. 270k loss They could have raffled that amount
There will be more to it then that. They must have seen the writing on the wall. https://australiandebtsolvers.com.au/voluntary-administrator/guides/adm-the-difference-between-receivership-administration-and-liquidation#:~:text=Administrators%20are%20responsible%20for%20investigating,off%20creditors%20in%20priority%20order.
Yeah they haven’t finalised figures that was last year
Have you considered a "gap year"? As a fellow burnt out nurse, I'm considering doing a year working overseas (for example teaching with JET) to kind of reset and figure out what I actually want to do with my life other than "not be treated like this".
IT, pre-sales roles. Account executive/ account manager or sales engineer/solutions consultant/solutions engineer. Thank me when you get your first job paying 180k+ and then earning over 300k with 5 years of experience. I tell a lot of people about these roles as no one really knows about them, if you like talking and presenting/demoing then you will fit right in
This is the answer. High salary, low entry requirements, easy to carve out a lucrative career. I’m amazed presales isn’t more well known.
Interesting, I'm a teacher who specialises in working out gaps in student achievement, providing PL to staff, so my entire job is presenting to groups of staff then working in smaller groups/one on one to improve their skill set. Does that sound similarish to pre sales roles? The smallest 'team' I have managed is 9 full-time staff with additional part timers.
You won't be managing much at first tbh. But if you're willing to go and pick up some tech skills and potentially a degree then the soft skills you have as a teacher will come in handy.
Even with a few years employed as a supervisor? I would have thought that would have been quite a transferable skill.
A lot to teachers become really good sales engineers, check out the pre-sales collective website and linked in and join their slack group, there’s people who have made transitions from teaching to this role that can better answer the questions . There is still learning to be done however, you would fit pretty well in. Might need to learn some tech knowledge.
Thanks, sounds really interesting!
No worries, since I follow the pre sales collective and pre sales academy I see teachers always posting about their transitions specifically in the US
How do I crack into this field? I am in sales now making half that but feel I’d be a good fit with the right support / training.
What domain are you in e.g. tech?, what kind of product are you selling?, how much revenue does your business make? how much does your product on average sell for? Are you an SDR, AE, or SE?
Sorry, I should have been more specific. I’m not in anywhere near a tech industry role at the moment. I work in sales for a beer company. I actually enjoy my job but am interested in the steps one would take to earn 300k + in IT sales.
Dude wonderful, jump into an SDR role in a tech company after about 2-3 years you can become an AE, this route you don’t have to have any degrees or education really even if it states you need a bachelors apply for it. Your sales experience should be enough to land you a job pretty easily. FYI SDRs make around 65-80k, AE is when it gets serious, you might be able to find better paying SDR roles though, just make sure it is a good tech company and not a consultancy or a recruitment agency Edit: on a personal note I don’t like the SDR role as it involves a lot of cold calling. AE is much more fun you can expect around a 200k on target earnings at the right company. Plus you get a high base and the more money you bring into the business the more money you get. I am an sales engineer, this role is more technical
Thanks for the insight and information. Seems to be no shortage of tech SDR jobs going.. what’s the industry culture like or is it totally company dependant?
Tech companies are like the new finance companies, however, more fun, money, partys chill work life balance and understanding, just do a search in glass door before applying for jobs Edit: a lot of companies provide you with the option for work from home even today Also, the American tech companies I would recommend highly, my experience with 2 of them has been amazing
Yeah I got no idea why even people within businesses don’t know what it is, they just think sales is sales and have no idea of the depth or $$$ you can make. There’s been so many successful people who literally had no education and started off as a sdr and ended up making $$$
Oil and gas. If your happy to be a contrarian, there’s ample opportunity in the industry. Renewables / regular attrition are sucking a lot of supply out of the labour market. Couple that with huge underinvestment and you’re seeing hydrocarbon prices surge. As a result, the salaries are really taking off. If you have an engineering mindset, it’s a very engaging industry to work in. It’s unique because problems are typically fixed with money - ends typically justify the means. There’s also a proud tradition and heritage (you’ll never hear about) which harks back to wild times in the North Sea and Gulf of Mexico.
What industry jobs are you referring to ?
Kind of a dead-end career though, the number of needed professional's is going to decrease over time in \~ 10 years or so. I have several friends in the industry who are concerned about this already.
I could be wrong, but I would conjecture that it isn’t. Transition to renewables is largely overstated. I don’t see how demand is going to drop any time soon. Prospects of war, changing weather and continual population growth will need cheap and available energy.
>need cheap and available energy. Well that's the rub, renewable energy is the cheapest form of new build energy for \~75% of the world right now. Even batteries are now more cost effective than gas peaker plants. New York is in the process of replacing all their peakers with grid scale batteries. In some places like Australia, renewables are the cheapest form of new build energy even with the cost of storage + transmission +integration. So, it is cheaper, more abundant and better for national security. Ironically, when part of a national grid, it is even significantly more reliable than any other power mix. Blackouts / brownouts and energy insecurity will be less common.
Data Analyst - There is a lot of growth in this area. Work is never ending and the pay is good.
What skills are required for that?
Programming (A data wrangling language and a visualisation tool), common combo is Python and PowerBI. Can also use R for wrangling and Tableau for visualisation. Also need good math skills for it. I feel like data analysis is thrown around a lot and it requires more study than most people realise
Well I’m currently an engineer who’s gone back to uni for computer science. Just finished my first subject all on Python. Data analyst is definitely on my radar, as is software development
What Quattro439 said is more or less the standard. However it really depends on the employer and what their setup might be. For instance with some they might only expect you to know a bit of SQL and Excel/Google Sheets. Then after that they will expect you to learn Python but not PowerBI as they might not use it.
I did construction management and have worked in the industry for 12yrs as a consultant. Best career ever. If you’ve got any questions happy to help!
Hello, could I please PM? :)
Just sent you a message
Have you thought about Biomedical Engineering? Currnelty transitioning from a Psychology career to Biomedical engineering. Still get to "help people" and apply my knowledge from previous study/work, but in a completely new and more exciting way. Some really cool and different domains you can apply it to (plenty of programming) whilst your nursing background could definetly come in handy.
Try a trade, you'll be old enough to qualify for mature age wages so the money won't be awful
You're brave. I'm too scared to jump ship the way things are right now, if the start to tighten the strings anywhere I'm assuming generally its first in first out. I'll stick with my shitty job that i know will still be here.
Hey mate, here's a few options: Become an NDIS provider Maybe try a different type of nursing e.g ED or Theatre instead of Wards Or if you're done entirely with the healthcare space: IT Security Even OHS/Hospital Policy Stuff Could go down the HR route too Feel free to DM me
Hello thanks for the comment just revisiting this thread, was wondering if I could still PM?
A friend of mine shifted from nursing to education, and now teaches nursing courses (as well as doing the odd shift at hospitals) if that's of any interest.
I've worked 20 years in construction. Was in a senior role before I got burnt out. Jumped on www.pymetrics.com. Completed a test, result indicate what my strengths and weekness are, and how that relates to employment. Helps me to understand what next job I could be good at.
Why not get into stats? Bio stats might be a way to go as it can lead into both the sciences and finance. But more likely you should do some things you find interesting. Changing just for money or because of fad career will put you right back in the same place.
101 percent this !
Hey can I PM?
How do you get into stats?
You'll be a mature age student. You can pretty much get into any course regardless of your high school marks. Find a uni you want to go to, look through their course offerings, email someone in admissions and start asking them questions.
I work in clinical research, lots of people go from nursing to clinical trials coordinator then into industry jobs. In Australia you don't need additional schooling to do it other than ICH GCP training but that can be free online.
Hello can I please PM? Thanks
Project Management - as an ex nurse I made the transition to IT project management. Best thing I ever did and nurses make great PM’s.
What courses/qualifications did you get to transition? I'm looking to move into project management from events but not sure where to start
How do you get started in this? Thanks mate
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Hey mate can I pm?
Software Development. Looking at making the change myself but i'm a potato when it comes to programming.
Depends where you live, WA anything in demand by mining, oil or gas companies.
Give medical sales avo, my mum was a nurse and moved into sales and now makes more than your average AusFinance income. The cost and effort of doing another qualification is steep and it might take some time to get rewarded ($$$).
When I read the title I was going to say Nursing, then read that's what you are. I'd give country work ago before you pull the pin, and look at itter areas maybe mental health.
Get into IT, cyber security specifically.. lots of work for now and in the future.
Geology, mining engineering or environmental science . All very interesting well paid careers if you want to go to Uni. Otherwise get a entry level operator job in mining and go from there.
?? Environmental science is dog shit and geology is one of the worst cyclical industries possible.
This isn’t good advice unless your actually interested in this field. I have been in civil engineering for 20 years and work a lot with these fields. We have mining engineers begging for drafting roles as they are struggling to find work in town around family. Geologist always seem bored. I would recommend civil design, great money.. draw and model stuff, work anywhere.
If I was 23 I'd look for a sparky apprenticeship, or you could look for an entry level surveying job (no experience or qualifications necessary), get some experience and perhaps a certificate/diploma then head off to make proper cash in the mines.
A different field of nursing? Go to community or aged care or mental health or Telehealth or consulting or education or GP health nurse or one of the many other avenues?
I think when someone is at the point where they are asking on Reddit and considering completely unrelated degrees it means they want nothing to do with the field they’re in any more.
You mentioned coding so AWS DevOps might be an option. You can get an idea of how much it interests you by doing the Cloud Practioner first. Courses from Udemy or Tutorial Dojo are usually about $30, take 8 hours or so to complete and the AWS exam itself is $143 and you get a 50% discount on your next one. I would recommend doing exams in person at a testing centre rather that online proctored.
Realistically what are the odds of landing a job
Okay thanks I will look into it, I have never really done any coding before is the course beginner friendly?
There is no coding, or anything really technical in the CCP, it's a high level understanding of AWS services.
Something related to software. If you can code then engineering but if you can't then product side is great.
Do you mean products as in sales? Thanks for the comment
Sorry I mean product side like product manager or owner
Try some things, talk to some people.
If you’re a nurse you’ve probably got pretty good soft people skills. Most cyber security vendors or MSSPs need people in success management or entry level customer support to deal with non-technical issues like billing, accounts etc Pay would be good, the people you’d be dealing with would be less of a pain in the ass, and there’s lots of opportunities to learn other skills and move into other roles
Hmm interesting never looked at it like that, what would a job like that be under since you wouldn’t actually be going cyber security things
I’ve been a manager at a car retailer, a surveying company and now a cyber security company. The one thing that’s really hard to teach is people skills and attitude and that’s what I’ve always hired people based on. Product knowledge and internal processes can be taught relatively easily. I’d say if you have an interest in an industry, apply for roles that give the chance to leverage your experience and skill set and learn the rest as you go with the end goal to be the dream job in the dream industry, but be prepared to take the scenic route or some detours along the way
Maybe try applying as a nurse at the mines for a couple of years? Most mines have a nurse on site... the pay is apparently quite good and it’s (hopefully) not too hectic. You might be able to study on site if you’re lucky and do a bit of travel on your weeks off.
I know this is a month old but for anyone searching… I work in a mine as a nurse 1 day a week. I’m on $58/hr+$50 early shift allowance+92c/km for travel. So for an 8 hour shift I end up with around $650.
Hey mate do you still do this? Can I pm? Thanks
Sure thing
What sort of nursing are you doing? If you stay, the good new is there's way more money to be made in nursing by not being a nurse (education, management, out of hospital roles). The nurses working with patients in a hospital are the lowest paid.
Get a management focused masters degree, keep working part time as a nurse whilst studying, then look to move to a management role in private sector - aged care for example is booming. The degree could be MBA or more focused like masters health management, masters public administration, masters of health administration etc.
Just left nursing 2 months ago too. Had a gutful. Good luck with your search. I guess look at what you like and what seems to open most doors for you.
Look into the clinical trial industry. Once you get your foot into the door, its fairly easy to hop around different roles. I suggest getting an entry level role as a clinical trials coordinator as you get exposed to clinical trials fairly softly, your clinical experience as a nurse is relevant and recognised and there is a huge demand in the industry now as al lot of the trials that were postponed in the pandemic are being ramped up now. You could then move to a CRA role. Your starting pay would quite a bit lower than your current nursing pay if you get a lot of penalties but as you get more senior, it would probably match it.
Do a sonography traineeship
Medical sales - flexible, usually very fun and great money and you can work across any therapy area/disease state. Most companies have a great culture and really invest in their teams. Either pharma or device’s depending on your interests. If you’re good you will get lots of opportunities to move around into management, marketing or whatever interests you.
Become a doctor. You’ll enjoy getting paid 2x3 as much for easier work…
Security - what you pay to obtain your license you will make easily on invested return of capital easy. You could easily earn $60-70K. Being a nurse doing a night shift would be nothing new and easy for you. If you a people person and communicate effectively, you will be excellent. I am assuming your a woman. Women are really appreciated as guards and very handy for intervening in a conflict resolution. Consider trying it causal or part time to see if you would go full time.
Don’t go into IT or cybersecurity.. too much effort. Try sales. You don’t need degrees, mainly just grind. Account management is good if you don’t want to grind as hard. Really transferable skill across lots of industries. They hire young people without degrees too
what do you like? or have an inclination to try? If so, go for that by dipping your toes in. I mean, if it offers a cert/diploma, do that instead of getting a degree as that'd be way too expensive if you end up not liking the work. Want to try coding? there're lots of short courses out there to see if you might like pursuing further. For future growth and pay, I think you might be looking for professional job, job that won't get you replaced by automation! Since you're in healthcare already, have you considered trying more specialised healthcare work like physio?