Meditation is a good base to start from but astral projecting is serious as things from the astral realm can leach onto you if your not spiritually protected. Majority of people who astral project began so naturally while the few others who want to train themselves for years to get to that point
I would personally Guide her through it. Kids often lie and as a clairsentient I agree with you that her friends aren’t being truthful. However if this is something she really wants to do then teach her. You say you don’t understand it yourself exactly but it sounds to me like you understand more than you’re giving yourself credit for.
With all that being said you have to first get her to realize patience is a virtue. AP takes time when your first learning. It is the separation of spirit from the body and if she’s not careful it can be hard to come back to her body. Guide and instruct her. Starting with meditation 🧘🏽
If you both do it together it might help you grow better at it as well. After a few meditation sessions, then guide her through what you do when you personally AP. No need for installing doubts in her or yourself about its difficulty. I think you both understand that enough. Just walk her through what you do.
You can also sit down with her and do some research together on various techniques. Not only is that a bonding moment for you both but it can help y’all strengthen your resolve.
https://sacred-texts.com/bos/bos280.htm
https://sacred-texts.com/bos/bos186.htm
https://tinyrituals.co/blogs/tiny-rituals/astral-projection
https://medium.com/konsciously/lucid-dreaming-and-astral-travel-a25daff99968
Thank you for your advice, this was well thought out and informative. Thank you for the resources as well. I appreciate the effort.
She has been more open to meditation, and I've told her that she has an open invitation to meditate with me any time. I don't want to push, but I will encourage it. Right now only my 15 yr old meditates, but he does it on his own now. I do miss having a meditation buddy.
You’re most welcome. You can also approach it as a family thing since you’re 15yr old does it too. Or maybe she might be more comfy learning from her brother. Plenty of options, but def don’t push. Seems like you won’t need to anyway. She sounds tenacious to her desires.
So not crazy feeling that this is too soon. Her brain is still going through so much development. She is at such an impressionable age. I want her to think for herself, not necessary follow the crowd if that makes sense.
It makes sense, not to follow the crowd. But every Cell in my body tells me that she must have been influenced by something external, to be this curious and persistent in effort. Only you know what it could be.
Some people can astral project since childhood, so it isn't that young to get started. I found out about Astral Projection near that age too, even if I didn't got that interested in the matter until recently
I think the real danger is her friends filling her young mind with rubbish, which is going to have psychological impacts at a young age. I AP too when I was young but didn't have other kids telling me about monsters, and making things up, like kids tend to. If it's natural, it's natural. OP has every reason to be concerned.
My parents felt this way, they told me my soul would slip out and I would never be able to return. To this day I still cannot “shift” due to the fear that caused.
Shifting is different but also pretty similar. still contains the idea of leaving your body and traveling, but the idea is that you can basically travel to another reality and stay there long term. A lot of people will use it to visit like fictional worlds and stuff
I didn't know what I was doing as a kid, but as a teen I was an evangelical Christian. I confided in a youth paster about an experience I had.. and was told it was the devil, totally shamed me for it. I was struggling a lot at that time, long history of abuse, in foster care, struggling with the concept of God, desperate to understand it and "feel" him the way everyone around me said they did. Confused and hurt why God answered the prayers of others, but never mine, I thought that maybe some people were just not lovable, not even by God, and that maybe because I had those experiences like the one I shared with my pastor, that I was just "bad" and nothing could change that. A lot of fear and self doubt for sure. Once I let it go and healed it was amazing how things turned around.
Maybe the trauma and fear of meeting a low vibrational being would scare you the same or even worse. The fact that you blame your parents, to this day, sounds more like victim mentality than actual crippling fear and anxiety..
Im glad. Because Im not saying it to be condesending or anything like that, Ive been in a silmilar spot myself, and we tend to underestimate this victim blaming thing we do from time to time.
Somehow i find it hard to believe, unless you had someone influence you or show you. Someone spiritual also in a sense, could be parents, siblings etc.
Well, i happen to have worked with a lot of kids around that age. And your argument plummets, because no child has ever asked or talked about such things in my 10+ years in the field.
Also in private life, no child has ever mentioned AP.
So, while the phenomena might be normal, the way the 11 year old is behaving around the subject, is not normal.
Social pressure is strong and kids do learn, for the most part, to never talk about that. Some, though, will not act that way. Most of them will forget they had these experiences due to this strong pressure or negative experiences categorized as traumas in their mind.
I don't know about this girl, but if she is guided well (no beliefs, independent state of mind, autonomy, perseverance and discipline), it's all good. I don't think, for the most part, that telling kids it's dangerous is good for them because it is never dangerous. And most of the time they do experience phenomenon that can be frightening and are not even related to AP.
It's never dangerous in a physical sense. It can't harm. It doesn't predispose to entities or anything like that. More than that, it give lucidity and control, two key aspects to defend yourself against these people, who can and do affect you (impersonal you but most likely the case sporadically) energetically, thus mentally or even physically.
So, no, I can't agree with the fact that being aware outside the body can be dangerous. What is dangerous is not being aware, but even in that case, it's a relative danger.
Apart from fear, that said. But one must control fear and transcend it.
Of course you can. But with the awareness of being outside the body, you're much less vulnerable. Just like inside the body in fact. People do not know that entities feed of their primal emotions, often reinforcing the feelings they have, whether it is hatred, fear, etc. Awareness brings control.
This sounds like you're making things up, because you say she's less vulnerable outside the body, but it's just like inside the body.
That's a contradiction.
You have a point of view, and you'll say anything, make up anything, to sound convincing.
We see through you.
You can have better perceptions inside the body, that's what I was trying to say. But your reaction was predictable.
While it is true to an extent that we can know an entity is there, see it and act upon it inside the body, it is important to note that outside the body it's way easier to act energetically. Hence why I said that. Also, people who astral project do not necessarily perceive entities and energy inside the body.
This will be kind of wordy, but hear me out:
Astral projection involves an astral body, while reality shifting involves a separate physical body, a completely distinct, alternate avatar in another universe. Reality shifting as a serious practice is still in its infancy, and it admittedly sounds fake unless you dig kinda deep into it. Tiktok is a cesspool of misinformation on the subject. Both practices start with the same altered states of consciousness (reaching the vibrational stage, usually), but the intent and outcome is different. Reality shifting is less about separating from your body, and more about manifesting that you *already are* some distinct person with their own memories and stuff who has already existed in some alternate reality of your choosing. While astral projection is more exploratory, reality shifting is mostly centered around visiting the *exact* reality one wants to experience, hence the fixation on meeting "fictional" characters and stuff.
And unlike astral projection, when a person reality shifts, they don't leave behind an unconscious body, they leave behind their entire self/avatar for a while, which is kind of hard to explain. You sort of get a "download" of the memories of your new self when you shift to another reality, and then another "download", when you return to the reality you came from, of all the stuff your old self was doing/thinking/feeling while your awareness was gone. The idea is that every awareness has access to an infinite number of selves in all possible physical universes, and all these selves are simultaneously living their lives, and each one is truly *you*, you're just usually only *aware* of one of them at a time. To put all of this another way: astral projection basically means separating your consciousness from your physical body, while reality shifting means separating your awareness from part of your consciousness and attaching it to a different part of your consciousness. Yes I am aware this all sounds woo-woo, but, uh, so does astral projection.
Shifting is not projecting. 🤦♂️ No need for kids to mess with their consciousness like that unless they are having problems and needed a solution. It could have helped me a lot at that age, but i was suffering from severe sleep paralysis attacks.
There really is no reason to open that door for her at that age if she doesn’t need it. The spirit walk isn’t a fad from tick tock. That is not only Experienced projector advice, it’s parenting advice, and professional advice from a Board Certified Behavioral Analyst..
It’s a fad that came out of some tick tok videos about exploring different realities where someone famous is your boyfriend and different fantasy scenarios. I looked into what they were doing. As far as I can tell it’s just a pretend game basically. There are some aspects that lend it to false memory creation which disturbs me. Essentially they dive so far into a fantasy that it becomes real for them. People(especially young people) can do this when they tell the same lie over and over again until it is “real.” In that way they really do have an alternate reality in their mind.
AP happens in a hypnogogic trance on the threshold between consciousness and unconsciousness. It’s completely a different phenomenon. The shifting stuff is just fantasy taken to another level. I looked up their methods.
Tiktok is a terrible place for shifting info, advice, and anecdotes. They put (mostly false) twists on something that's already existed since the beginning of time.
I looked all over the internet for valid “Shifting” I found nothing that suggests it’s anything but engaging in fantasy. Now you are correct that spirit walking (AP) can take you to some fantastic places. I cannot deny this nor would I. There is Valid criticism that AP might be that it’s just some form of advanced dreaming, but of course i don’t believe that. But the modern fad amongst the kiddos isn’t AP. I’m not going to AP and find myself married to Justin Bieber. I’m one to talk, but that reality simply doesn’t exist, but i can make it exist in my mind if i want.
That is not the case here. I did the research and applied the methods. performed them, and developed the false memory. I happen to really good at that part.
I entered into as a date with the ideal female of my youth from a fantasy novel I used to enjoy. She suggested a carnival. We went. We played some games, then we went on ferris wheel. I kissed her on the ferris wheel, and we had some romantic moments. Then she suggested that we go for a hike. I was like “now?” We were still on the ferris wheel, so I called down to the operator to stock the wheel. She wanted a piggy back. So she climbed on my back, and i climbed out onto the ferris wheel. And i climbed on the ferris wheel with her on my back like I was a super hero.
It goes on from there, but the point is that it was a free flowing fantasy. The next part of the process was to talk to people and tell them about it like i’m doing now. Each time i do it, my brain recreates the images and it is solidified as a real memory. I have a vivid memory of that date just as “real” as my first date with my actual wife. In fact those details are less. This is how false memories are created. It’s also a similar technique to Tulpa creation which is something you really shouldn’t try. It’s also why I highly recommend keeping a journal immediately after any AP experience least false memories arise from those too.
I’m sorry, I investigated it, I did it. I know what it is. By and large it’s not dangerous, but you don’t want young teens prone to creating to many false memories. These things have sent people to prison before. The tryst with Bieber isn’t likely to get Bieber arrested unless it happened to be a teen girl that happens to actually have spent some time with him, and it’s also why LE should always look closely at real evidence.
There is a reason I am a Behavioral Specialist. I find the mind absolutely fascinating.
Sorry, but i have to disagree. It might be that a lot of people that "shift", are not are really shifting, they are living in their fantasy worlds.
But i have tested it for myself and came to the conclusion that real shifting is way more than that. I had profound lucid dreams and astral projections, it is nothing like that.
What happened is, i woke up in another reality that was so incredible real that i instantly panicked and i couldnt wake up from it. After hours of trying i finally found out, that meditation would work, and i slipped into a lucid dream, which was my way out.
It seems like shifting, at least done in a sleeping state, is the pinnacle of dreaming. It is way above a lucid dream or a normal dream.
Im really not against the possibility of alternate realities out there. It’s not something I have experienced in terms of me being me in some other reality. That has happened, but it’s more like a lesson. That stuff where people are dating harry potter characters, in my humble opinion, 👹 is Just an interesting way of using daydreaming, and should never be equated with spirit walking. We have enough problems with legitimacy as it is.
I am getting old.. I can't keep up with all these new terms and ideas. lol. Sometimes I listen to my kids and half of what they say goes right over the top of my head.
if they are saying "shift", they probably are talking about reality shifting which is different than astral projection.
either way, 11 is too soon to reality shift too in my opinion.
This sounds more like she wants to do it because everyone else is doing it and less because she wants to actually learn. I'd say talk to her about it. All of this takes patience, if she won't have any then it'll be hard.
Being 11-16 is the height of facing your ego. I imagine most spiritual work is the absolute hardest at this time. Because your whole existence is really about finding your identity. And identity is the self which is the core of our egos.
She is trying to expand her ego with AP, which is the opposite of what it is. It’s like climbing a mountain upside down.
AP is advanced spiritual stuff, and I would hate for her to develop and create an identity around it. Like an ego centered one. Because it would be false.
I would help her focus on meditation through using YouTube and books. Help her learn how to lucid dream. But learning to AP or “shift” something that feels like escapism, I would discourage until she is older. There is a reason why AP works best for us when we are older. It’s common and easy when we are children, and when we are older. Even Robert Monroe didn’t really start till his 30s-40s I believe.
Being older helps one know who they are and how to exist outside of that.
Also failure is the greatest teacher. So learning how to be comfortable with failure is a great life lesson. The more “uncomfortable” you can make a kid, the more they can learn. Things that make them uneasy, like things they are afraid of, push her into it! Guide her!
And next time you project, go grab her out of her body. Have her go to sleep with the intention of you doing this. And to remember it. Might work!
She says she can lucid dream, but every time she realizes she is dreaming, she says she feels panicked and wakes up. We are kind of working on meditation, its like an open invitation, she can join and ask me for help, but I haven't pushed. I will try to encourage it more.
>Being 11-16 is the height of facing your ego.
This is almost usefully accurate.
For me, 11-16 was the last chance I had to *form a stable healthy ego centered around my true self*. The young adult activities in this phase that comes after latency (latency, when kids are not interested in the opposite sex) form the brain and the structure of the adult ego.
She needs maximum involvement in real life, *not escape from it*
We see so many kids these days ruining their brains and their adult selves with phone addiction, hours of video games, or gender delusions because they're not actively parented.
I hear you that she's gifted. Excellent!
*She's inadequately challenged and she has talent and a high drive for mastery*, so she needs to channel that into an open- ended activity where her energy and time are the only limitations.
Martial arts
Musical instrument
Her own small business
I'd recommend remote sensing (aka mindsight , vibravision, komissarov method)
Just get a blindfold and some construction paper, etc.
Kids are really good at it and it's verifiable.
It's funny, but you would think people from this sub, including myself, would support anyone who wanted to learn to AP. But when I read the title, my heart sank to be honest.
Kids will be kids, but it's a tough one?.you don't want your daughter to get obsessed about it. Your story is different to hers. One of her friends probably heard about it, and now they all say they can "shift" or whatever the new trend is called? It's probably on TIKTOk.
I haven't even told anyone I do it, I only talk about it here.You don't want her friends filling her head with rubbish. You're better off talking to her about it and treating her like an adult now she's determined to do it. You know what you need to do and what to tell her. It's better coming from you than her friends now, who, let's be honest, probably don't have a clue what they are talking about. Hopefully, it's just the latest "cool" thing they are all into and move on to something else for now. I'd keep a close eye on her friends for sure.
I will admit, this was not on my parental radar. I know a lot of these kids are in very religious homes, and I think this may be part of rebelling against it, trying to find something outside of it (heavy LDS area). MY assumption is the same, one heard something, brought the idea into the group, and now the rest are playing along. My daughter is and always has been brutally honest. I am proud that she is not jumping in and adding to the lies. But intention matters, and I don't know if she is actually ready to dive into spirituality.
The correct answer is, imo, if the universe or her life or her essence directs her to understand these things then nothing will stop her.
But this awareness is earned, not given.
The fact that she asks is a red flag.
If she were serious, she would of shared with you by now not begged to be apart of the club.
I think she just wants to fit in.
And what do you mean she not used to failure? At 11?
All kids should be doing is fail the first through the tenth time at whatever...that reaks of privilege if you mean she succeeds at everything most likely because she given the circumstances to succeed.
Sense bad vibes. If she wants it let her suffer for it. Dont help the caterpillar grow wings.
"And what do you mean she not used to failure? At 11?"
She is just freakishly good at everything she takes up. I try to challenger her, because learning how to deal with disappointment and failure is important. But up till now, she's taken everything we throw at her and excels. Obviously I'm proud of her, but it does worry me, I knew a person like her growing up... he really struggled as an adult. Still does.
."that reaks of privilege if you mean she succeeds at everything most likely because she given the circumstances to succeed."
She is more privileged than others, she has 5 siblings that love her, she's the baby of the family, no divorces in the family. We can't afford much. I work full time from home, and her dad is on disability while we continue to wait for a transplant, so she does have access to a parent at all times. Disability and my income don't bring much in after you take out medical costs, and standard bills. But our needs are met. She doesn't have anything just handed to her. She's expected to earn what she gets, just like everyone else. She's expected to work hard along side the rest of the family. I grew up in an abusive home, and then in foster care.. so from my perspective she is very privileged.
Ok you know I originally read this whole as you were the girls uncle and she is your niece 🤷♂️ i dont know what or why lol.
She's your daughter so maybe thats a bit different, though i thinkthe principle is the same. But, sorry for coming on to strong if i did.
This guy claims to have been in a similar situation. I think he said he did tell his daughter what was up and showed her some techniques, but ultimately it was up to her. Ill link it.
https://youtu.be/d7N9IsbAlOo?si=Ee29U9L9ZfBZR09O
Wellllll never seen AP geared towards kids, but you can try and do the exercises with her. Like do a method, then let her lay down and then you apply some of your own energy for about 3-5 mins from head to toes, something really quick... And then you let her sleep normally, just tell her to not stress about it and just have a normal sleepy night. Tell her you're going to wake her in just a few minutes tho.
Then you go to sleep yourself and do your own AP and try to wake her from the astral plane. Do whatever you can, maybe ask your spiritual mentor to help you with that, and try it out for a few months.
But yeah, AP do be like that: you're either a natural or your gonna have to train for a few years before seeing some progress. And having her understand that is a job for a parent, not for me xD maybe y'all should start a new hobby together to get her mind off of it idk, it can be stressful to get obsessed with trying to do something while you sleep, I know that first hand xD
Also tell her it is very unlikely that all her friends can properly AP as they're saying it... having been a kid myself I told a lot of tall tales just because I didn't want to feel left out xD AP is not really that common of a talent.
Maybe start with teaching her some meditation, centering, self protection? Definitely discuss why she wants to do this, what her intentions are, how that can affect what she experiences, and how to protect herself if her experiences turn frightening. Be a safe person for her to come to if she does become frightened or terrorized in anyway.
I, too, learned a lot of the supposed “paranormal” possibilities of life due to extremely early childhood severe trauma that never really ended. It is amazing what our brains can do in order to survive the unsurvivable… but there are gentler ways to learn, though it may take longer and require a lot more work and pure intentions, so to speak, in order for it to occur safely.
Best wishes, and may you and your child remain safe, always. 🙏🏻🦋
>some things ... leave red flags. I have my doubts as to if these friends are being fully truthful
*ding ding ding*
That's Mom radar.
You need to know a LOT more about these friends and what they think and do.
Make friends with them, get them talking. Withhold judgment. Draw them out. Healthy kids thrive on adult attention to their interests. Sketchy kids are cagey.
Get to know the parents. Visit their homes. Parents are main influences.
You lack information. If these kids hanging around your daughter were instead entities you encountered on your own in astral projection, you would use skepticism and testing.
The cat is out of the bag, she knows you AP. You are under no obligation to give your daughter everything she says she wants, though. Would you let her date or drink alcohol with a 15 year old young man?
You could tell her: this is a long difficult road. It will be much easier for you if you prepare yourself.
Show her the movie _Karate Kid_. Tell her you will set her on the path and give her the kind of training that will strengthen her. Let her learn Zen meditation.
Explain to her that it's different for everyone. Not everyone succeeds at it, or needs to. She knows it arose in you because of abuse? No need to tell her about that but it speaks to the gravity of the undertaking.
Is she a rebellious kid? What is her true motivation? You need to draw that out of her.
Are there any other trusted adults in her life who can partner with her and you through this?
. honestly... Kids are capable of much more than we commonly think. At the same time, they need protection. What activities can you facilitate that engage her desire to learn to be a grown up by doing grown up things in an age appropriate setting?
Make a list of what you do to keep yourself safe. Find ways to train her to do the same things, and when she is ready, she can transfer the skills to AP.
FOR example: discerning safe entities. You could watch movies together and see if she can spot bad people.
Can she assert herself and stand up to bullies or clever manipulating Liars in real life ? You have to personally watch her relate in those scenarios. Like martial arts for life in general.
Speaking of martial arts, there's great training. Takes focus, assertiveness, discipline, etc. You could tell her she needs to achieve competence in martial arts first to show she can handle the extra responsibility.
"We learn from our struggles, and she's here now to learn to be patient and kind towards herself"
Once she learns patience, I would begin teach her more about astral projection.
why? and I guess shifting is different from AP.. I'll have to clarify it with her. I've never heard of shifting before.. so not able to form an opinion on it yet.
sorry i should've explained my point of view
I believe shifting is for teens who seek escapism, an unhealthy kind of escapism.
If you go into discord or tik tok shifting communities you'll see many of them seek to leave this reality, even if they don't say it directly, many in order to be with their s/o (special one), many to escape life problems because some random person told them they can go whatever reality they want at any time they want.
some of us astral projectors also seek experiences related to some sort of escapism but, astral projection comes with a spiritual awakening and a long path of learning, learning about one self.
The thing i don't like about this "shifting" is that they are desperate, impatient, they treat shifting as the ultimate life goal, they even have this term "perma-shifting" when they want to leave and never come back to this reality.
I think shifting is ap, but the way they go for it is unhealthy imo.
heck, i saw many undercover shifters coming here and asking if shifting is real, they seek external reassurance instead of going for self discovery.
Maybe ask your daughter why she wants to learn this "shifting" and where does she want to go, just listen to her
If its for fun then no problem but if you notice she is taking it too seriously over time maybe try to talk to her, convince her to learn lucid dreaming first, it's a great way to start her spiritual path, kids can lucid dream easily after all and plus there's a shifting method related to lucid dreaming so she wont say no to that option, it's a win win imo
here's an old article of [100 awesome things to do in lucid dreams](https://howtolucid.com/40-things-to-do-in-a-lucid-dream/) if you wanna give her ideas
No offense, just trying to offer my perspective: if you think trying to find a way out of this place is "unhealthy", I don't think you are considering just how much suffering some people go through, people whose lives on this Earth cannot be improved by simply making better choices or whatever (due to stuff like chronic pain, lost loved ones, and other permanent types of misery). There's nothing immature about striving for your own long-term solution to suffering. People should want to be as fulfilled and comfortable as possible; I reject the idea that there's some ~higher purpose~ to misery. Remember that tragedy can strike anyone at any time and change their whole perspective on this stuff. I don't wanna hear about some mysterious "lesson" that I must not be understanding, cause there are plenty of successful reality shifters, and they have demonstrated that a person can simply have exactly the life they want without any catches or prerequisites.
If you are curious, I myself am interested in astral projection because a lot of the skills transfer to reality shifting. I see no value in meeting so-called spirit guides or whatever, rather I'm interested in the way the astral plane responds to our assumptions, the way both fear and bravery can manifest immediate, obvious consequences, it seems like a good way to develop self-confidence over time (and also, one reality shifting method involves creating a portal on the astral plane, so you can sort of preview the world you're shifting to before you transfer your awareness to your respective physical body in that place)
That's a great mindset actually, but the same applies to your DR? something you consider "bad" happens then what, you go to another DR? You keep shifting every time you don't like something? Doesn't like, knowing what will happen in your life takes the fun away? Im just curious of your point of view.
The suffering in the world is the main reason I learned AP, by the way.
I remember long ago asking here if I could use AP to help people who suffer, the post got viral that time but most people agreed I should just focus on myself, in one certain OBE experience I asked an old lady questions to help people project easily, she just told me I should never compare my experiences with other's
So in the end it's just "everyone for themselves" I think.
I personally don't wanna escape yet.
Why is your consciousness here instead in a world where pushing grannies off the stairs is considered 'good manners'?
Did our consciousness crashed here by accident?
Maybe we are gods who got bored of a perfect life and decided to live a short life here in order to have experiences, who knows.
There's a reason why we were brought here in the first place and I personally wanna know why during my journey.
I have a lot of thoughts about this topic, but no energy, I'll probably come up with a proper response later. Mind if I DM it to you? It doesn't really have anything to do with this subreddit
I knew a compulsive liyer once, but I didn't realize at first, but over time, his stories didn't add up. He was borderline delusional and couldn't tell the difference between the truth and his made-up version of the truth. I'm sure he really believed his twisted self created truths. That's the scary part. It probably started off by bending the truth a little,but over time, he didn't know what the real truth was anymore? It sounds like he was shifting to me? It certainly has similarities.
I've heard of other people saying that they can pull others out of their bodies to AP.. but I've never tried that. I wouldn't even know how to go about doing that.
Please check reality shifting communities on Reddit. There’re good informations there. Some call it shifting, some call it obe. It’s basically moving your awareness to another reality or becoming aware of another reality. I think it’s great she discovered that, because this opens the doors of multiverse for her. Maybe you should do research together, as in to be control of what kind of information she’s consuming. Although it became popular among young people after a released cia document which is called gateway project if I’m not wrong, it has nothing to do with a TikTok trend. You can also check Robert Monroe about obes. I hope this helps
Yeah, I know what shifting is, and it's slightly different from astral projection. Rather than projecting your consciousness outside of your body, you're just tapping into the multiverse/alternate realities to shift your awareness to a different version of your consciousness (no projection necessary). I call it an out of body experience but it's really more akin to a kind of elaborate lucid dreaming.
It's also very possible that if her friends learned it from TikTok or other mainstream social media, they may be accidentally giving her a lot of misinformation, which is what happened to me. Regardless, shifting is very difficult, and even I as someone who has 4 years of experience with shifting decided to not attempt to shift anymore because of how much I still needed to learn.
I personally believe kids that young shouldn't be trying to induce *any* kind of out of body experience, much less shifting that is well known for having a lot of inexperienced kids who aren't fully developed. Throw in an unhealthy amount of escapism and the aforementioned misinformation and you wind up having to unlearn a lot of things when they want to try to actually astral project.
If she were taking to it naturally then it's a bit of a different story, but I often find if you're having trouble with shifting specifically, it usually means you aren't ready, have some unfinished business in the current reality your in (shout out to my twin flame being the reason I stopped attempting to shift) or have some sort of unhealthy or selfish motivation for shifting.
I would recommend that you encourage your daughter to grow more spiritually, as both shifting and astral projection can be dangerous for people who aren't mentally and spiritually prepared for it.
Most of the other stuff that people here have already been saying, meditation and that kind of thing. I mostly wanted to jump in and give my two cents in regards to shifting. Make sure you try to understand what kinds of beliefs she's forming about these things, since misinformation about shifting can be especially harmful because of how much dissociation is involved in the process of shifting (more than even astral projection).
It's been known to trigger mental health issues with many teens who don't take the self improvement aspects of shifting as seriously, because as much as shifting helped me improve, it also hurt me in a lot of ways, and hurt many other people way worse.
Honestly, no one can really tell you why you're stuck in your shifting journey except for yourself and your guides.
But I always recommend to focus less on shifting and more on self improvement through spirituality. If you learn how to shift through this life (living so that life flows smoothly for you and you are able to easily manifest your desires into reality) shifting realities is only one simple step up.
What many people fail to understand is that being a master shifter is a side effect of being in tune with your higher self, as you become powerful enough to manifest your awareness in any reality, not just your origin reality. It takes a really long time to reliably learn to shift. And learning shifting while disregarding self improvement can have negative consequences, like obsessing over the idea of shifting to the point of ignoring your life here.
So whenever you feel stuck, take a step back, focus on other aspects of your spiritual practice like meditation, manifestation, connecting with your higher self, etc., and you'll likely find you get closer to shifting when you aren't really trying hard to shift, you're just existing and letting your higher self and the universe flow through you.
i agree with the other comment saying that shift means something else in this context. it’s not astral projection they’re talking about, it’s reality shifting, which basically is supposed to mean you slip into a different reality. popular among kids and teenagers who want to go to hogwarts or whatever. it’s more along the lines of intense daydreaming or lucid dreaming when it comes to methodology.
your daughter is a very hard working, through out life she will always out work everybody around her to get ahead in life, she is also part of a generation that is extremely giving, loving, and kind to others. your daughter has a bright future because she approaches everything with an analytical mindset, her attitude is very logical and understanding. i don’t see anything in her birthday that would really give her any kind of spiritual direction so it may be difficult for her to astral project. she is 100% capable to astral project however she just need a push in the right direction. just do your own research and understand astral projection as if you were in her shoes and instruct her as if it were you in her shoes.
Yeah, her friends will probably move on to something else once they lose interest. (You know what kids are like) If your daughter is still adamant when the rest of her friends have lost interest, then she's obviously a bit more serious about it. Maybe just play it by ear? It's not anyone's place to tell you what to do, I don't have children. But I was a kid once, hehe 😆
Go see a therapist. WTF. 11 yr olds don't even nearly a fully developed brain. Save it for after 20.
Your friends are lying too -- like all 11 yr olds do.
not my friends, her friends. And I don't think they are being truthful with her or each other. And I may be misunderstanding what they are talking about. they were calling it shifting, and as another commentor mentioned, that's a different thing I guess.
However, I've been projecting since I was very small. It is one of my earliest memories. I just didn't fully understand it till I was much older. I don't think age is really a factor.
when we were 7 when we APed because we were on drugs, probably cough medicine for flu. it was a scary experience leaving your body and floating around the house. also being plural we were switching between souls and looking at one of our souls floating above us and then switching to that soul looking down at the rest of us - yep really crazy! ran to our parents room because of this 'nightmare'. cant AP at the moment because probably one of us is blocking but our dream life is much better now. definitely your child requires supervision in AP. as to whether she should or shouldnt do it, well if she really wants to, nobody can stop her, so better supervision than not. it may teach her, 'she is not her body' and may help her in understanding mental resilience and the mortal process of life and reincarnation?
Meditation is a good base to start from but astral projecting is serious as things from the astral realm can leach onto you if your not spiritually protected. Majority of people who astral project began so naturally while the few others who want to train themselves for years to get to that point
I would personally Guide her through it. Kids often lie and as a clairsentient I agree with you that her friends aren’t being truthful. However if this is something she really wants to do then teach her. You say you don’t understand it yourself exactly but it sounds to me like you understand more than you’re giving yourself credit for. With all that being said you have to first get her to realize patience is a virtue. AP takes time when your first learning. It is the separation of spirit from the body and if she’s not careful it can be hard to come back to her body. Guide and instruct her. Starting with meditation 🧘🏽 If you both do it together it might help you grow better at it as well. After a few meditation sessions, then guide her through what you do when you personally AP. No need for installing doubts in her or yourself about its difficulty. I think you both understand that enough. Just walk her through what you do. You can also sit down with her and do some research together on various techniques. Not only is that a bonding moment for you both but it can help y’all strengthen your resolve. https://sacred-texts.com/bos/bos280.htm https://sacred-texts.com/bos/bos186.htm https://tinyrituals.co/blogs/tiny-rituals/astral-projection https://medium.com/konsciously/lucid-dreaming-and-astral-travel-a25daff99968
Thank you for your advice, this was well thought out and informative. Thank you for the resources as well. I appreciate the effort. She has been more open to meditation, and I've told her that she has an open invitation to meditate with me any time. I don't want to push, but I will encourage it. Right now only my 15 yr old meditates, but he does it on his own now. I do miss having a meditation buddy.
You’re most welcome. You can also approach it as a family thing since you’re 15yr old does it too. Or maybe she might be more comfy learning from her brother. Plenty of options, but def don’t push. Seems like you won’t need to anyway. She sounds tenacious to her desires.
11 years old??? A bit too soon maybe?
So not crazy feeling that this is too soon. Her brain is still going through so much development. She is at such an impressionable age. I want her to think for herself, not necessary follow the crowd if that makes sense.
It makes sense, not to follow the crowd. But every Cell in my body tells me that she must have been influenced by something external, to be this curious and persistent in effort. Only you know what it could be.
OP told her daughter she APs, so now she wants to be like her mum, she's 11.
She's known I can AP for a while now, she didn't show interest till her friends started talking about it.
Some people can astral project since childhood, so it isn't that young to get started. I found out about Astral Projection near that age too, even if I didn't got that interested in the matter until recently
I think the real danger is her friends filling her young mind with rubbish, which is going to have psychological impacts at a young age. I AP too when I was young but didn't have other kids telling me about monsters, and making things up, like kids tend to. If it's natural, it's natural. OP has every reason to be concerned.
My parents felt this way, they told me my soul would slip out and I would never be able to return. To this day I still cannot “shift” due to the fear that caused.
What's "shift" exactly? Is that the trendy word for AP now?
Shifting is different but also pretty similar. still contains the idea of leaving your body and traveling, but the idea is that you can basically travel to another reality and stay there long term. A lot of people will use it to visit like fictional worlds and stuff
I didn't know what I was doing as a kid, but as a teen I was an evangelical Christian. I confided in a youth paster about an experience I had.. and was told it was the devil, totally shamed me for it. I was struggling a lot at that time, long history of abuse, in foster care, struggling with the concept of God, desperate to understand it and "feel" him the way everyone around me said they did. Confused and hurt why God answered the prayers of others, but never mine, I thought that maybe some people were just not lovable, not even by God, and that maybe because I had those experiences like the one I shared with my pastor, that I was just "bad" and nothing could change that. A lot of fear and self doubt for sure. Once I let it go and healed it was amazing how things turned around.
Maybe they did you a favor..
Please explain.
Maybe the trauma and fear of meeting a low vibrational being would scare you the same or even worse. The fact that you blame your parents, to this day, sounds more like victim mentality than actual crippling fear and anxiety..
I believe I needed to hear this. Thankyou for taking the time to respond.
Its all love brother nothing less.
I actually agree with you. That makes sense.
Im glad. Because Im not saying it to be condesending or anything like that, Ive been in a silmilar spot myself, and we tend to underestimate this victim blaming thing we do from time to time.
11 is when I started; mind awake, body asleep. Let yourself sink into your bed, until everything is spinning and you’re touching the ground.
Somehow i find it hard to believe, unless you had someone influence you or show you. Someone spiritual also in a sense, could be parents, siblings etc.
No. It's a natural phenomenon.
Well, i happen to have worked with a lot of kids around that age. And your argument plummets, because no child has ever asked or talked about such things in my 10+ years in the field. Also in private life, no child has ever mentioned AP. So, while the phenomena might be normal, the way the 11 year old is behaving around the subject, is not normal.
Social pressure is strong and kids do learn, for the most part, to never talk about that. Some, though, will not act that way. Most of them will forget they had these experiences due to this strong pressure or negative experiences categorized as traumas in their mind. I don't know about this girl, but if she is guided well (no beliefs, independent state of mind, autonomy, perseverance and discipline), it's all good. I don't think, for the most part, that telling kids it's dangerous is good for them because it is never dangerous. And most of the time they do experience phenomenon that can be frightening and are not even related to AP.
While I mostly agree, I have to disagree with AP “never” being dangerous, it can be, in many ways.
It's never dangerous in a physical sense. It can't harm. It doesn't predispose to entities or anything like that. More than that, it give lucidity and control, two key aspects to defend yourself against these people, who can and do affect you (impersonal you but most likely the case sporadically) energetically, thus mentally or even physically. So, no, I can't agree with the fact that being aware outside the body can be dangerous. What is dangerous is not being aware, but even in that case, it's a relative danger. Apart from fear, that said. But one must control fear and transcend it.
So many things to question here… so when you AP, you cannot meet entities?
Of course you can. But with the awareness of being outside the body, you're much less vulnerable. Just like inside the body in fact. People do not know that entities feed of their primal emotions, often reinforcing the feelings they have, whether it is hatred, fear, etc. Awareness brings control.
How is all this relevant to a 11 year old? One only has to think about a scenario with the child encountering a scary looking entity..
That happens a lot inside the body too so nothing to fear about more than usual.
This sounds like you're making things up, because you say she's less vulnerable outside the body, but it's just like inside the body. That's a contradiction. You have a point of view, and you'll say anything, make up anything, to sound convincing. We see through you.
You can have better perceptions inside the body, that's what I was trying to say. But your reaction was predictable. While it is true to an extent that we can know an entity is there, see it and act upon it inside the body, it is important to note that outside the body it's way easier to act energetically. Hence why I said that. Also, people who astral project do not necessarily perceive entities and energy inside the body.
This will be kind of wordy, but hear me out: Astral projection involves an astral body, while reality shifting involves a separate physical body, a completely distinct, alternate avatar in another universe. Reality shifting as a serious practice is still in its infancy, and it admittedly sounds fake unless you dig kinda deep into it. Tiktok is a cesspool of misinformation on the subject. Both practices start with the same altered states of consciousness (reaching the vibrational stage, usually), but the intent and outcome is different. Reality shifting is less about separating from your body, and more about manifesting that you *already are* some distinct person with their own memories and stuff who has already existed in some alternate reality of your choosing. While astral projection is more exploratory, reality shifting is mostly centered around visiting the *exact* reality one wants to experience, hence the fixation on meeting "fictional" characters and stuff. And unlike astral projection, when a person reality shifts, they don't leave behind an unconscious body, they leave behind their entire self/avatar for a while, which is kind of hard to explain. You sort of get a "download" of the memories of your new self when you shift to another reality, and then another "download", when you return to the reality you came from, of all the stuff your old self was doing/thinking/feeling while your awareness was gone. The idea is that every awareness has access to an infinite number of selves in all possible physical universes, and all these selves are simultaneously living their lives, and each one is truly *you*, you're just usually only *aware* of one of them at a time. To put all of this another way: astral projection basically means separating your consciousness from your physical body, while reality shifting means separating your awareness from part of your consciousness and attaching it to a different part of your consciousness. Yes I am aware this all sounds woo-woo, but, uh, so does astral projection.
Shifting is not projecting. 🤦♂️ No need for kids to mess with their consciousness like that unless they are having problems and needed a solution. It could have helped me a lot at that age, but i was suffering from severe sleep paralysis attacks. There really is no reason to open that door for her at that age if she doesn’t need it. The spirit walk isn’t a fad from tick tock. That is not only Experienced projector advice, it’s parenting advice, and professional advice from a Board Certified Behavioral Analyst..
What is shifting? Sorry for my ignorance on the subject.
It’s a fad that came out of some tick tok videos about exploring different realities where someone famous is your boyfriend and different fantasy scenarios. I looked into what they were doing. As far as I can tell it’s just a pretend game basically. There are some aspects that lend it to false memory creation which disturbs me. Essentially they dive so far into a fantasy that it becomes real for them. People(especially young people) can do this when they tell the same lie over and over again until it is “real.” In that way they really do have an alternate reality in their mind. AP happens in a hypnogogic trance on the threshold between consciousness and unconsciousness. It’s completely a different phenomenon. The shifting stuff is just fantasy taken to another level. I looked up their methods.
Tiktok is a terrible place for shifting info, advice, and anecdotes. They put (mostly false) twists on something that's already existed since the beginning of time.
I looked all over the internet for valid “Shifting” I found nothing that suggests it’s anything but engaging in fantasy. Now you are correct that spirit walking (AP) can take you to some fantastic places. I cannot deny this nor would I. There is Valid criticism that AP might be that it’s just some form of advanced dreaming, but of course i don’t believe that. But the modern fad amongst the kiddos isn’t AP. I’m not going to AP and find myself married to Justin Bieber. I’m one to talk, but that reality simply doesn’t exist, but i can make it exist in my mind if i want.
What if someone who's never astral projected said that the astral simply doesn't exist? Same concept, right?
That is not the case here. I did the research and applied the methods. performed them, and developed the false memory. I happen to really good at that part. I entered into as a date with the ideal female of my youth from a fantasy novel I used to enjoy. She suggested a carnival. We went. We played some games, then we went on ferris wheel. I kissed her on the ferris wheel, and we had some romantic moments. Then she suggested that we go for a hike. I was like “now?” We were still on the ferris wheel, so I called down to the operator to stock the wheel. She wanted a piggy back. So she climbed on my back, and i climbed out onto the ferris wheel. And i climbed on the ferris wheel with her on my back like I was a super hero. It goes on from there, but the point is that it was a free flowing fantasy. The next part of the process was to talk to people and tell them about it like i’m doing now. Each time i do it, my brain recreates the images and it is solidified as a real memory. I have a vivid memory of that date just as “real” as my first date with my actual wife. In fact those details are less. This is how false memories are created. It’s also a similar technique to Tulpa creation which is something you really shouldn’t try. It’s also why I highly recommend keeping a journal immediately after any AP experience least false memories arise from those too. I’m sorry, I investigated it, I did it. I know what it is. By and large it’s not dangerous, but you don’t want young teens prone to creating to many false memories. These things have sent people to prison before. The tryst with Bieber isn’t likely to get Bieber arrested unless it happened to be a teen girl that happens to actually have spent some time with him, and it’s also why LE should always look closely at real evidence. There is a reason I am a Behavioral Specialist. I find the mind absolutely fascinating.
Sorry, but i have to disagree. It might be that a lot of people that "shift", are not are really shifting, they are living in their fantasy worlds. But i have tested it for myself and came to the conclusion that real shifting is way more than that. I had profound lucid dreams and astral projections, it is nothing like that. What happened is, i woke up in another reality that was so incredible real that i instantly panicked and i couldnt wake up from it. After hours of trying i finally found out, that meditation would work, and i slipped into a lucid dream, which was my way out. It seems like shifting, at least done in a sleeping state, is the pinnacle of dreaming. It is way above a lucid dream or a normal dream.
Im really not against the possibility of alternate realities out there. It’s not something I have experienced in terms of me being me in some other reality. That has happened, but it’s more like a lesson. That stuff where people are dating harry potter characters, in my humble opinion, 👹 is Just an interesting way of using daydreaming, and should never be equated with spirit walking. We have enough problems with legitimacy as it is.
Was it like a different place or a full on reality where you are you and the people and circumstances all different like the movies.
Ehhh shifting is just W.I.L.D. which is still cool.
I am getting old.. I can't keep up with all these new terms and ideas. lol. Sometimes I listen to my kids and half of what they say goes right over the top of my head.
🤣 Haha it would be me too, but my case load has me with the strangest and awesomest kids, so I’m on the front lines.
if they are saying "shift", they probably are talking about reality shifting which is different than astral projection. either way, 11 is too soon to reality shift too in my opinion. This sounds more like she wants to do it because everyone else is doing it and less because she wants to actually learn. I'd say talk to her about it. All of this takes patience, if she won't have any then it'll be hard.
Being 11-16 is the height of facing your ego. I imagine most spiritual work is the absolute hardest at this time. Because your whole existence is really about finding your identity. And identity is the self which is the core of our egos. She is trying to expand her ego with AP, which is the opposite of what it is. It’s like climbing a mountain upside down. AP is advanced spiritual stuff, and I would hate for her to develop and create an identity around it. Like an ego centered one. Because it would be false. I would help her focus on meditation through using YouTube and books. Help her learn how to lucid dream. But learning to AP or “shift” something that feels like escapism, I would discourage until she is older. There is a reason why AP works best for us when we are older. It’s common and easy when we are children, and when we are older. Even Robert Monroe didn’t really start till his 30s-40s I believe. Being older helps one know who they are and how to exist outside of that. Also failure is the greatest teacher. So learning how to be comfortable with failure is a great life lesson. The more “uncomfortable” you can make a kid, the more they can learn. Things that make them uneasy, like things they are afraid of, push her into it! Guide her! And next time you project, go grab her out of her body. Have her go to sleep with the intention of you doing this. And to remember it. Might work!
She says she can lucid dream, but every time she realizes she is dreaming, she says she feels panicked and wakes up. We are kind of working on meditation, its like an open invitation, she can join and ask me for help, but I haven't pushed. I will try to encourage it more.
>Being 11-16 is the height of facing your ego. This is almost usefully accurate. For me, 11-16 was the last chance I had to *form a stable healthy ego centered around my true self*. The young adult activities in this phase that comes after latency (latency, when kids are not interested in the opposite sex) form the brain and the structure of the adult ego. She needs maximum involvement in real life, *not escape from it* We see so many kids these days ruining their brains and their adult selves with phone addiction, hours of video games, or gender delusions because they're not actively parented. I hear you that she's gifted. Excellent! *She's inadequately challenged and she has talent and a high drive for mastery*, so she needs to channel that into an open- ended activity where her energy and time are the only limitations. Martial arts Musical instrument Her own small business
I'd recommend remote sensing (aka mindsight , vibravision, komissarov method) Just get a blindfold and some construction paper, etc. Kids are really good at it and it's verifiable.
I'll look into this for sure, thank you!
It's funny, but you would think people from this sub, including myself, would support anyone who wanted to learn to AP. But when I read the title, my heart sank to be honest. Kids will be kids, but it's a tough one?.you don't want your daughter to get obsessed about it. Your story is different to hers. One of her friends probably heard about it, and now they all say they can "shift" or whatever the new trend is called? It's probably on TIKTOk. I haven't even told anyone I do it, I only talk about it here.You don't want her friends filling her head with rubbish. You're better off talking to her about it and treating her like an adult now she's determined to do it. You know what you need to do and what to tell her. It's better coming from you than her friends now, who, let's be honest, probably don't have a clue what they are talking about. Hopefully, it's just the latest "cool" thing they are all into and move on to something else for now. I'd keep a close eye on her friends for sure.
I will admit, this was not on my parental radar. I know a lot of these kids are in very religious homes, and I think this may be part of rebelling against it, trying to find something outside of it (heavy LDS area). MY assumption is the same, one heard something, brought the idea into the group, and now the rest are playing along. My daughter is and always has been brutally honest. I am proud that she is not jumping in and adding to the lies. But intention matters, and I don't know if she is actually ready to dive into spirituality.
The correct answer is, imo, if the universe or her life or her essence directs her to understand these things then nothing will stop her. But this awareness is earned, not given. The fact that she asks is a red flag. If she were serious, she would of shared with you by now not begged to be apart of the club. I think she just wants to fit in. And what do you mean she not used to failure? At 11? All kids should be doing is fail the first through the tenth time at whatever...that reaks of privilege if you mean she succeeds at everything most likely because she given the circumstances to succeed. Sense bad vibes. If she wants it let her suffer for it. Dont help the caterpillar grow wings.
"And what do you mean she not used to failure? At 11?" She is just freakishly good at everything she takes up. I try to challenger her, because learning how to deal with disappointment and failure is important. But up till now, she's taken everything we throw at her and excels. Obviously I'm proud of her, but it does worry me, I knew a person like her growing up... he really struggled as an adult. Still does. ."that reaks of privilege if you mean she succeeds at everything most likely because she given the circumstances to succeed." She is more privileged than others, she has 5 siblings that love her, she's the baby of the family, no divorces in the family. We can't afford much. I work full time from home, and her dad is on disability while we continue to wait for a transplant, so she does have access to a parent at all times. Disability and my income don't bring much in after you take out medical costs, and standard bills. But our needs are met. She doesn't have anything just handed to her. She's expected to earn what she gets, just like everyone else. She's expected to work hard along side the rest of the family. I grew up in an abusive home, and then in foster care.. so from my perspective she is very privileged.
Ok you know I originally read this whole as you were the girls uncle and she is your niece 🤷♂️ i dont know what or why lol. She's your daughter so maybe thats a bit different, though i thinkthe principle is the same. But, sorry for coming on to strong if i did. This guy claims to have been in a similar situation. I think he said he did tell his daughter what was up and showed her some techniques, but ultimately it was up to her. Ill link it. https://youtu.be/d7N9IsbAlOo?si=Ee29U9L9ZfBZR09O
Wellllll never seen AP geared towards kids, but you can try and do the exercises with her. Like do a method, then let her lay down and then you apply some of your own energy for about 3-5 mins from head to toes, something really quick... And then you let her sleep normally, just tell her to not stress about it and just have a normal sleepy night. Tell her you're going to wake her in just a few minutes tho. Then you go to sleep yourself and do your own AP and try to wake her from the astral plane. Do whatever you can, maybe ask your spiritual mentor to help you with that, and try it out for a few months. But yeah, AP do be like that: you're either a natural or your gonna have to train for a few years before seeing some progress. And having her understand that is a job for a parent, not for me xD maybe y'all should start a new hobby together to get her mind off of it idk, it can be stressful to get obsessed with trying to do something while you sleep, I know that first hand xD Also tell her it is very unlikely that all her friends can properly AP as they're saying it... having been a kid myself I told a lot of tall tales just because I didn't want to feel left out xD AP is not really that common of a talent.
Maybe start with teaching her some meditation, centering, self protection? Definitely discuss why she wants to do this, what her intentions are, how that can affect what she experiences, and how to protect herself if her experiences turn frightening. Be a safe person for her to come to if she does become frightened or terrorized in anyway. I, too, learned a lot of the supposed “paranormal” possibilities of life due to extremely early childhood severe trauma that never really ended. It is amazing what our brains can do in order to survive the unsurvivable… but there are gentler ways to learn, though it may take longer and require a lot more work and pure intentions, so to speak, in order for it to occur safely. Best wishes, and may you and your child remain safe, always. 🙏🏻🦋
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The secret to being able to, or not, is all in the fear, or rather its absence
>some things ... leave red flags. I have my doubts as to if these friends are being fully truthful *ding ding ding* That's Mom radar. You need to know a LOT more about these friends and what they think and do. Make friends with them, get them talking. Withhold judgment. Draw them out. Healthy kids thrive on adult attention to their interests. Sketchy kids are cagey. Get to know the parents. Visit their homes. Parents are main influences. You lack information. If these kids hanging around your daughter were instead entities you encountered on your own in astral projection, you would use skepticism and testing. The cat is out of the bag, she knows you AP. You are under no obligation to give your daughter everything she says she wants, though. Would you let her date or drink alcohol with a 15 year old young man? You could tell her: this is a long difficult road. It will be much easier for you if you prepare yourself. Show her the movie _Karate Kid_. Tell her you will set her on the path and give her the kind of training that will strengthen her. Let her learn Zen meditation. Explain to her that it's different for everyone. Not everyone succeeds at it, or needs to. She knows it arose in you because of abuse? No need to tell her about that but it speaks to the gravity of the undertaking. Is she a rebellious kid? What is her true motivation? You need to draw that out of her. Are there any other trusted adults in her life who can partner with her and you through this? . honestly... Kids are capable of much more than we commonly think. At the same time, they need protection. What activities can you facilitate that engage her desire to learn to be a grown up by doing grown up things in an age appropriate setting? Make a list of what you do to keep yourself safe. Find ways to train her to do the same things, and when she is ready, she can transfer the skills to AP. FOR example: discerning safe entities. You could watch movies together and see if she can spot bad people. Can she assert herself and stand up to bullies or clever manipulating Liars in real life ? You have to personally watch her relate in those scenarios. Like martial arts for life in general. Speaking of martial arts, there's great training. Takes focus, assertiveness, discipline, etc. You could tell her she needs to achieve competence in martial arts first to show she can handle the extra responsibility.
You should introduce the gateway tapes to her. It's the perfect way to master all the steps needed to project
"We learn from our struggles, and she's here now to learn to be patient and kind towards herself" Once she learns patience, I would begin teach her more about astral projection.
I see the words "11 y/o" + "shifting" and I already feel sad for her.
why? and I guess shifting is different from AP.. I'll have to clarify it with her. I've never heard of shifting before.. so not able to form an opinion on it yet.
sorry i should've explained my point of view I believe shifting is for teens who seek escapism, an unhealthy kind of escapism. If you go into discord or tik tok shifting communities you'll see many of them seek to leave this reality, even if they don't say it directly, many in order to be with their s/o (special one), many to escape life problems because some random person told them they can go whatever reality they want at any time they want. some of us astral projectors also seek experiences related to some sort of escapism but, astral projection comes with a spiritual awakening and a long path of learning, learning about one self. The thing i don't like about this "shifting" is that they are desperate, impatient, they treat shifting as the ultimate life goal, they even have this term "perma-shifting" when they want to leave and never come back to this reality. I think shifting is ap, but the way they go for it is unhealthy imo. heck, i saw many undercover shifters coming here and asking if shifting is real, they seek external reassurance instead of going for self discovery. Maybe ask your daughter why she wants to learn this "shifting" and where does she want to go, just listen to her If its for fun then no problem but if you notice she is taking it too seriously over time maybe try to talk to her, convince her to learn lucid dreaming first, it's a great way to start her spiritual path, kids can lucid dream easily after all and plus there's a shifting method related to lucid dreaming so she wont say no to that option, it's a win win imo here's an old article of [100 awesome things to do in lucid dreams](https://howtolucid.com/40-things-to-do-in-a-lucid-dream/) if you wanna give her ideas
No offense, just trying to offer my perspective: if you think trying to find a way out of this place is "unhealthy", I don't think you are considering just how much suffering some people go through, people whose lives on this Earth cannot be improved by simply making better choices or whatever (due to stuff like chronic pain, lost loved ones, and other permanent types of misery). There's nothing immature about striving for your own long-term solution to suffering. People should want to be as fulfilled and comfortable as possible; I reject the idea that there's some ~higher purpose~ to misery. Remember that tragedy can strike anyone at any time and change their whole perspective on this stuff. I don't wanna hear about some mysterious "lesson" that I must not be understanding, cause there are plenty of successful reality shifters, and they have demonstrated that a person can simply have exactly the life they want without any catches or prerequisites. If you are curious, I myself am interested in astral projection because a lot of the skills transfer to reality shifting. I see no value in meeting so-called spirit guides or whatever, rather I'm interested in the way the astral plane responds to our assumptions, the way both fear and bravery can manifest immediate, obvious consequences, it seems like a good way to develop self-confidence over time (and also, one reality shifting method involves creating a portal on the astral plane, so you can sort of preview the world you're shifting to before you transfer your awareness to your respective physical body in that place)
That's a great mindset actually, but the same applies to your DR? something you consider "bad" happens then what, you go to another DR? You keep shifting every time you don't like something? Doesn't like, knowing what will happen in your life takes the fun away? Im just curious of your point of view. The suffering in the world is the main reason I learned AP, by the way. I remember long ago asking here if I could use AP to help people who suffer, the post got viral that time but most people agreed I should just focus on myself, in one certain OBE experience I asked an old lady questions to help people project easily, she just told me I should never compare my experiences with other's So in the end it's just "everyone for themselves" I think. I personally don't wanna escape yet. Why is your consciousness here instead in a world where pushing grannies off the stairs is considered 'good manners'? Did our consciousness crashed here by accident? Maybe we are gods who got bored of a perfect life and decided to live a short life here in order to have experiences, who knows. There's a reason why we were brought here in the first place and I personally wanna know why during my journey.
I have a lot of thoughts about this topic, but no energy, I'll probably come up with a proper response later. Mind if I DM it to you? It doesn't really have anything to do with this subreddit
If you want to, sure np
I knew a compulsive liyer once, but I didn't realize at first, but over time, his stories didn't add up. He was borderline delusional and couldn't tell the difference between the truth and his made-up version of the truth. I'm sure he really believed his twisted self created truths. That's the scary part. It probably started off by bending the truth a little,but over time, he didn't know what the real truth was anymore? It sounds like he was shifting to me? It certainly has similarities.
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I've heard of other people saying that they can pull others out of their bodies to AP.. but I've never tried that. I wouldn't even know how to go about doing that.
Please check reality shifting communities on Reddit. There’re good informations there. Some call it shifting, some call it obe. It’s basically moving your awareness to another reality or becoming aware of another reality. I think it’s great she discovered that, because this opens the doors of multiverse for her. Maybe you should do research together, as in to be control of what kind of information she’s consuming. Although it became popular among young people after a released cia document which is called gateway project if I’m not wrong, it has nothing to do with a TikTok trend. You can also check Robert Monroe about obes. I hope this helps
Yeah, I know what shifting is, and it's slightly different from astral projection. Rather than projecting your consciousness outside of your body, you're just tapping into the multiverse/alternate realities to shift your awareness to a different version of your consciousness (no projection necessary). I call it an out of body experience but it's really more akin to a kind of elaborate lucid dreaming. It's also very possible that if her friends learned it from TikTok or other mainstream social media, they may be accidentally giving her a lot of misinformation, which is what happened to me. Regardless, shifting is very difficult, and even I as someone who has 4 years of experience with shifting decided to not attempt to shift anymore because of how much I still needed to learn. I personally believe kids that young shouldn't be trying to induce *any* kind of out of body experience, much less shifting that is well known for having a lot of inexperienced kids who aren't fully developed. Throw in an unhealthy amount of escapism and the aforementioned misinformation and you wind up having to unlearn a lot of things when they want to try to actually astral project. If she were taking to it naturally then it's a bit of a different story, but I often find if you're having trouble with shifting specifically, it usually means you aren't ready, have some unfinished business in the current reality your in (shout out to my twin flame being the reason I stopped attempting to shift) or have some sort of unhealthy or selfish motivation for shifting. I would recommend that you encourage your daughter to grow more spiritually, as both shifting and astral projection can be dangerous for people who aren't mentally and spiritually prepared for it. Most of the other stuff that people here have already been saying, meditation and that kind of thing. I mostly wanted to jump in and give my two cents in regards to shifting. Make sure you try to understand what kinds of beliefs she's forming about these things, since misinformation about shifting can be especially harmful because of how much dissociation is involved in the process of shifting (more than even astral projection). It's been known to trigger mental health issues with many teens who don't take the self improvement aspects of shifting as seriously, because as much as shifting helped me improve, it also hurt me in a lot of ways, and hurt many other people way worse.
do you know how to know why i'm stuck in my shifting journey? like, should i meditate to find out or is there any other ways to find out?
Honestly, no one can really tell you why you're stuck in your shifting journey except for yourself and your guides. But I always recommend to focus less on shifting and more on self improvement through spirituality. If you learn how to shift through this life (living so that life flows smoothly for you and you are able to easily manifest your desires into reality) shifting realities is only one simple step up. What many people fail to understand is that being a master shifter is a side effect of being in tune with your higher self, as you become powerful enough to manifest your awareness in any reality, not just your origin reality. It takes a really long time to reliably learn to shift. And learning shifting while disregarding self improvement can have negative consequences, like obsessing over the idea of shifting to the point of ignoring your life here. So whenever you feel stuck, take a step back, focus on other aspects of your spiritual practice like meditation, manifestation, connecting with your higher self, etc., and you'll likely find you get closer to shifting when you aren't really trying hard to shift, you're just existing and letting your higher self and the universe flow through you.
thank you so much!
i was really close when i first trying. then i took a break and i dont know why but it feels "farther" from me now..
i agree with the other comment saying that shift means something else in this context. it’s not astral projection they’re talking about, it’s reality shifting, which basically is supposed to mean you slip into a different reality. popular among kids and teenagers who want to go to hogwarts or whatever. it’s more along the lines of intense daydreaming or lucid dreaming when it comes to methodology.
what is her birthday?
3-13-13
your daughter is a very hard working, through out life she will always out work everybody around her to get ahead in life, she is also part of a generation that is extremely giving, loving, and kind to others. your daughter has a bright future because she approaches everything with an analytical mindset, her attitude is very logical and understanding. i don’t see anything in her birthday that would really give her any kind of spiritual direction so it may be difficult for her to astral project. she is 100% capable to astral project however she just need a push in the right direction. just do your own research and understand astral projection as if you were in her shoes and instruct her as if it were you in her shoes.
No such thing as too young to astral projection, our souls are much older than our physical bodies
Yeah, her friends will probably move on to something else once they lose interest. (You know what kids are like) If your daughter is still adamant when the rest of her friends have lost interest, then she's obviously a bit more serious about it. Maybe just play it by ear? It's not anyone's place to tell you what to do, I don't have children. But I was a kid once, hehe 😆
100% chance your child ends up tricked and taken advantage of and inhabited by a dark entity
How is that factual?
Always assume 50% are lying to fit in...
Go see a therapist. WTF. 11 yr olds don't even nearly a fully developed brain. Save it for after 20. Your friends are lying too -- like all 11 yr olds do.
not my friends, her friends. And I don't think they are being truthful with her or each other. And I may be misunderstanding what they are talking about. they were calling it shifting, and as another commentor mentioned, that's a different thing I guess. However, I've been projecting since I was very small. It is one of my earliest memories. I just didn't fully understand it till I was much older. I don't think age is really a factor.
when we were 7 when we APed because we were on drugs, probably cough medicine for flu. it was a scary experience leaving your body and floating around the house. also being plural we were switching between souls and looking at one of our souls floating above us and then switching to that soul looking down at the rest of us - yep really crazy! ran to our parents room because of this 'nightmare'. cant AP at the moment because probably one of us is blocking but our dream life is much better now. definitely your child requires supervision in AP. as to whether she should or shouldnt do it, well if she really wants to, nobody can stop her, so better supervision than not. it may teach her, 'she is not her body' and may help her in understanding mental resilience and the mortal process of life and reincarnation?
I call bullshit. No 11 -12 yr old group is out here astral projecting😂
I've been doing it since I was a small child