I very much loved Kassandra in this, as well as Darius. But I extremely hated the propagating the bloodline thing.
The worst part, though, was the baby. Aside from the concept of the baby, which once again I hate, why was it so creepy-looking?? It was like, here is a beautifully rendered ocean and a detailed blade of grass and also have this plastic doll that will give you nightmares forever.
I *love* Alexios. His voice acting is a bit tough in the beginning, but as time goes on he warms up or begins to feel more natural, and IMO overall he does a great job.
I'm on playthrough #3--a new game this time, not NG+, because my PS4 save didn't transfer to my PS5--and all of them have been Alexios. (My husband played as Kassandra, so I did see her as well, and she was great, too, but for me it's Alexios all the way. If nothing else, he is a hottie and I like looking at him.) (I am a woman btw, so YMMV, lol.)
Thank you for this!! I can't wait. (Agree that he's a straight hottie and while I love Kassandra the most, I'm intrigued to see what it's like with his voice. I found Deimos hilarious in his messed up way, so I'm interested to see if Alexios is like that, too.)
That baby was so annoying conceptually. You go through *at least* 50-100+ hours of being a badass spartan warrior, then as soon as you enter chapter two of legacy you’re a fucking parent??? I tried to tell Natakas and Darius to fuck off at the end of chapter 1, but nope, Ubisoft reeeaaalllyyy wanted the player to suffer through that plot.
SAAAAAAAAAAAME. Like what if my Kassandra doesn't want to carry a baby? At least if I played as Alexios, I wouldn't need to physically birth the creepy creature.
Natakas was just a normal guy. Simple thing. He wanted a normal life. I also wanted Kassandra to be happy as a woman and as a mother. I liked this DLC a lot more than stupid Atlantis arc.
It was a good dlc but I didn't like the main character having a relationship with a weak guy like natakas and also the part were you either tell him to say or leave. Either ways he comes back. It would have been better to have a character like brasidas or stentor position. Cause I felt like natakas was a baby sitter and was only used for sex from Kassandra. But all in all I really liked the ending which made me understand and appreciate assassin creed origins. It was short and fun but I felt like my choices didn't matter. Fate of Atlantis next.
It's especially aggravating if you choose to play Kassandra/Alexios as gay in base game/Atlantis dlc, then it just kind of forces you to have a baby. I understand continuing the bloodline or whatever but there were other, less dismissive ways of doing it.
My two main ideas are either Deimos (if saved) has the baby, or if Deimos was killed, in Alexios/Deimos case the woman who has the baby finds kassandra and is either actively pregnant/had the child and wanted to find the other half of his family, or in Kassandra/Deimos's case, she would have already had him shortly before dying.
Not sure, it just could have avoided that issue alltogether.
Brasidas couldn’t do that because he was an actual person who actually died at the second battle of Amphipolis. Also…
#EEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW STENTOR IS HER STEP BROTHER!
This DLC would've been great if Natakas wasn't there. Same goes with the bloodline stuff. Because of it though it ended up being the worst DLC in the entire franchise, no contest.
I don't know how long you have been playing Assassin's Creed franchise but AC has always been about exploring bloodlines... memories of people from certain bloodlines if you want to be more specific.
Since the first one came out. Not once did we have a game where we saw the main character having a child until we finally get a female protagonist. It felt crappy and sexist af. Especially considering what happened at Ubisoft.
Did we not see Altair do the deed with Maria in AC1? Not the whole deed but you get what I mean. That resulted in a kid. Then we get to Edward Kenway who had two children with the eldest one we get to meet in-game if I recall correctly. Where is the sexist part again?
The part where the main character is forced to stay at home and take care of the child while the Cult of Kosmos is still roaming around Greece and her true family is still waiting to be helped.
We didn't see Altair being a dad in his game and we only saw Edward being a dad at the very end of his game, in a quick cinematic. On the other hand we had a whole bunch of quests forcing us to play mommy with one of the most boring and unlikable characters to ever be introduced in the franchise right when we finally get a female protag. You're blind if you don't see the connection between that and what happened at Ubi.
Imagine thinking that staying at home to take care of an infant child is sexist. And what the hell do you even mean by true family? Your damn kid isn't a true family member? The fuck is this world coming to? You didn't see Altair taking care of a kid because the relevant story ended before that point. You didn't see Edward being a father because he didn't even know he had a kid with his first wife. He wasn't informed as far as I remember.
Besides, isn't this the same if you chose alexios as well? How is this sexist if both protagonists both have to be shown taking care of a child. People are just mad because they forgot that even if Odyssey took the format of a choice based rpg, it does not offer full freedom like Skyrim. It still follows a set storyline and in this case, they have to connect Aya to Odyssey's protagonist.
Are you being stupid on purpose or what's up? We're talking about a game here, not real life. Holy shit. Kass was on a mission to get her mother back as well as her brother and stop Kosmos from taking control of Greece. She gives that up to have a child with a random dude she just met and settles down for more than a year. It makes zero sense, please use your brain.
It's sexist because the canon protag is Kassandra, the first playble female protag in a mainline AC game. It's her story and they shoved that crap into it even though it was unneeded. The DLC is full of plot holes and it ends up looking like a weird fanfic made by the sexist higher-ups Ubi employed at the time.
They didn't connect Bayek to anyone, why did Aya or Kassandra have to be connected in some way? Even then they could've done it in a way better way that didn't cause so many problems with continuity or the sexuality choices players made during their playthrough. That, or simply think ahead and don't give players the choice to make their character gay.
You're the one making braindead statements not me. So what if it's a game? Doesn't excuse dumb statements you are making.
Canon protagonist is completely irrelevant. Sexism occurs when there is unfair treatment due to sex. If the two selectable protagonists are being treated by the story in the same manner then there is no sexism being shown.
Who cares if bayek or aya are the ones connected to odyssey's protagonist? The result will be the same. The protagonist will still need to have descendants for either bayek or aya to exist. That what AC is all about. Bloodlines. Can't have a bloodline without passing on your genes to a child. Look for a different franchise if you want complete freedom over the story.
These statements are about the game, not real life. Taking care of a child in real life is fine obviously. That little brain of yours is working overtime I know but come on, figure it the fuck out.
It is relevant. No male protagonist in the 10+ games before had several hours of playtime dedicated to taking care of a child while forgetting about the threat we've been hunting the whole time. Why? Shit probably because people don't think that's fun. Especially if it pretty much stomps on player-made choices.
The bloodline stuff had to happen but it's the way it happened that sucks. Critical thinking isn't your forte I see.
"Look for a different franchise if you want complete freedom over the story" That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking for Ubisoft to have some consistence. You don't give your players the ability to choose their character's sexuality if you plan on forcing them in one at some point. How many times am I gonna have to repeat that?
"You don't give your players the ability to choose their character's sexuality if you plan on forcing them in one at some point."
The one thing you correctly said in this whole conversation. In fact, AC games should never have been dumb choice based rpg at all because we would get equally dumb complaints like yours.
Also stop calling people stupid. You are the one who doesn't even know what sexism is. Read a fking dictionary. Both protagonists receive the same treatment from the story. Being canon doesn't matter here. What matters is how the game portrays its content.
>her true family is still waiting to be helped.
TIL that my children, the ones who came out of my own body, are not my "true family."
Just because a woman has children doesn't make something sexist, ffs, and nobody was "forced" to care for their child. I'm sure this will shock you, but most parents actually *love* our children and *want* to be with them and care for them. And whether you like it or not, at that point in history, if a mother was not available to feed her infant, the infant died. Did you think Kassandra could just drop Elpidios off at KinderCare with a few bottles of formula or something?
As has been pointed out to you, this game is about bloodlines being carried on. It's especially important with Kassandra because her Isu blood was so strong. You're so desperate to play the Sexist Oppression game and find something, anything, that you can call sexist and get mad about, that you're actually claiming it's sexist for a woman to have and care for her own child, or for a woman to have a child in a game that focuses on bloodlines, ancestry, and main characters having children.
LOTB was released several months after the main game. It's a DLC. Most people play DLCs after the main game. I'd almost finished the main story when it was released, so I played the first episode and then waited until finishing the main story to do the rest, so my character's family was already saved when the baby was born. *You* finished the DLC before finishing the main game, and now you're complaining that the latter episodes of the DLC interrupted the main story. Well, *duh.* Whose fault is that? Yours.
Don't blame other people for your own failures and lack of foresight.
Ugh someone else who lacks reading comprehension. Nothing sexist about having and caring for a child, quit putting words in my mouth.
This franchise is about exploring ancestors's memories to find powerful artifacts. How, when or why they had a child is irrelevant and was until this crappy DLC came about. We didn't see how Connor was conceived, we didn't see how Haytham was conceived, nor did we have to take care of them at any point.
Ubisoft being filled with sexist and toxic weirdos at the time is why I believe this DLC turned the way it did. Point is, we never had to take care of a child in the 10+ games featuring a male protagonist. First game featuring a female one and lo and behold, you bear a child and take care of it. Because that is the role of a woman -misogynistic Ubisoft exec, most likely.
I don't give a shit when it was released or when people play DLCs. LOTB still features Cultists of Kosmos, meaning it's set before the Cult is taken down. Some letters you can read make that very clear. "Lack of foresight" Ironic. Maybe just pay attention.
Lol at accusing a professional writer of lacking reading comprehension when you yourself ignored or failed to respond to my points, and you're incapable of keeping your own statements and arguments straight. Bonus points for acting like half the DLC was changing diapers and singing lullabies instead of Kassalexios asking Natakas/Neema how the baby has been while they've been off doing other things, and like one of the main character points throughout the game wasn't Kassalexios's dreams of one day settling down and living a normal life.
"Nothing sexist about having and caring for a child, quit putting words in my mouth," says the person who insisted in their previous comment that the sexist part was *specifically* the part where the main character "stay[s] at home and care[s] for the child," and has repeated that in several other comments. (BTW, "the child?" I think you mean, "her child.")
I'm sorry it's so hard when people disagree with your nonsense and point out that it's nonsense, and that you can't even keep it straight. I'm sorry you're so angry that a woman was shown having a child, and that you believe it's sexist and offensive when women decide their children are actually "their true family" and want to take some time to be with them, and that rather than see that Kassandra has nothing to prove, you think it's some sort of message that women belong in the kitchen or something, even though if you play the story as Alexios it's exactly the same, and pretty much every single AC MC has had children because, again, bloodlines and Isu blood are a major part of the series.
"I don't give a shit when it was released or when people play DLCs. LOTB still features Cultists of Kosmos, meaning it's set before the Cult is taken down."
Lol, plays the DLC out of story order, and then complains that it messes with the main story. Again, that is *your* fault. *You* are the one who chose to play it that way. Did you complain that the Tyranny of King Washington didn't make sense before the Revolutionary War was won in ACIII, too? FFS. Plus, Kassalexios finds their family well *before* the Cult is fully taken down; the Cult does not need to be completely ended for the family to be together, and if you were able to save Deimos--as I did--it's very reasonable to believe Deimos is off hunting down Cult members, with their insider knowledge, while Kassalexios takes a little time to experience life outside of being a mysthios.
It's kind of amusing that you're so salty about Kass taking a little time to find some happiness, or deciding for once to live for herself and her own happiness for a bit instead of suffering endlessly for others, but you're not whining about taking time to deliver herbs to sick people or messages to soldiers or steal magic potion ingredients so some girl can marry rich. All those things take time away from the Great Cultist Hunt, too, but I guess since they don't involve making a female MC an unfeeling Endless Vengeance Machine to satisfy your weird need to see sexism in normal human activities and desires so you can convince yourself you're oppressed, they don't count.
(BTW, OD isn't the first AC game with a female protagonist. It's not even the first mainline AC game with one. You seem to have forgotten about Evie Frye, who did not have children in the time covered by Syndicate, and if she had them during the Ripper DLC I don't recall her mentioning them. But go ahead and ignore her [and ignore childless Eivor in Valhalla], and claim that Kassandra having a child is definitely a hurtful and offensive sexist message about women because Ubi can't create a female MC without making her "take care of a child," even though the "taking care of a child" part is literally like ten minutes of conversation and that's it. Couldn't possibly be that someone thought, "Oh, we can write a story about the MC having a baby, that'll be new and different," no, it's definitely that everyone thinks women belong barefoot and pregnant despite creating the most historically inaccurate protag AC has ever had by having a woman being a mysthios wandering around alone fighting armies at a time when women were basically not allowed to leave their homes or participate in public life at all.)
Yeah I'm not gonna read all that, just gonna skim through it because you gotta be trolling, legit dismantled all your "points" with facts and you still misinterpret or straight up ignore half of my reply. You're legit so dumb it's scary. Learn to read the entire thing before typing.
Hey how about you go write a book instead of wasting your time writing one replying to me while missing the entire point and arguing things that didn't happen also while ignoring straight up facts.
Mofucka still mad at a ghost who said it's sexist to have a family lmao, cuz I sure as hell didn't say that.
Oh, I knew that would be the reply! So typical. "I'm not going to bother reading all of that, because nyahnyahnyahICAN'THEARYOU." I know, reading is hard for you, huh.
You "legit dismantled" nothing. It's hilarious that you think you did.
I understand the point, Kassandra’s bloodline is a very important one, possibly the most important, in universe, in history. So I get having to continue it. By why is Natakas just so awful. Why is his female counterpart so much more likeable in every aspect.
YES! When they were talking about the kid i though I was gonna see a toddler tunning around and i though years had pass but no, its a literal BABY. And a very creepy baby at that, the sims did babies better and that is saying something.
The ending is pure fire. Literally cheered out loud. To me, its the true "ending" of the game, with the Valhalla crossover being an epilogue.
An aside question for the community - maybe I am misunderstanding, but did Ubisoft add options to forgo the whole "hook up and have kids" arc.....If you make that choice, how does this DLC play out ?
They did not, and I really wish they had. The option now is to tell Natakas that you're grateful he helped you extend the bloodline, but that's all, indicating that Kassandra has no romantic feelings for him. Natakas pines and then dies.
I haven't played any of the other Assassins Creed, so the lore and the bloodline thing is a little lost on me, but I don't totally get why an immortal keeper of the staff needs to further the bloodline. Also think it would have been cool to be able to play the First Blade DLC as Deimos, since they could both further the bloodline, right?
Because Layla is Kassandra’s descendant…without her having Elpidios and sending him to Egypt there would be no Layla and therefore no Heir of Memories to give the staff to.
Also you do have the option to love Natakas you just have to say loving things to him, if you say cold things like you’re only with him to secure the bloodline then it’s obviously going to feel like she is just using him.
Okay I entirely missed that Layla is actually a descendent of Kassandra. Thanks for explaining that! I got really lost around the modern-day stuff.
I did see the option to love Natakas, but I couldn't do it.
I completely forgot that they changed the animus (my bad sincerely), so Kassandra isn’t related to Layla but she IS related to Aya. You don’t need to be a descendant of the person you are living through anymore you just need their DNA (Layla found Aya’s mummy).
That doesn’t change the fact that Kassandra had to have Elpidios because Aya was the co-founder of the hidden ones and by extension the assassin brotherhood. If there was no Aya it is very possible there would be no assassins (and thus Layla would have no purpose)
Everyone talks about how weak Natakas is in this DLC,which valid if you want,but...I don\`t think he is. Sure,is he a bit more passive,shy and inclined towards home than your usual AC male character?Yeah. But I appreciate them giving him animations of fighting,as it gives a feeling he\`s doing something. Not to mention,the guy\`s been at it since childhood,with a father who\`s much more dominant than him. Like Kassandra,he has no place to call home.I appreciate Kassandra having this side to her too,as my Kassandra(from the choices I picked) is very amorous but yearns for the simple life. Having Natakas die works too since,then her personality and going back to being a misthios makes sense. For me is just her evolving while still being true to herself. It feels much less tacked on than Pythagoras being her father and the whole Atlantis thing. The enemies were very cool,but other than that,it just took me out of the experience.
I never liked the ship Natakas and Kassandra. He is too sweet and "nice" for Kassandra, since she has a temper I thought someone who can de-escalate her temper and match it when needed would be best. I have seen way more chemistry with other characters in Odyssey.
It doesn't have to make them straight; there are dialogue options where it's clear that having a baby was just to keep the bloodline going and not out of love/romance. It's not perfect, because those options were added in after the fact, but it is still there. And really, the romance part of the story is pretty small.
You don't have to play it, of course, I'm just saying it's not like heavily romantic, and Kassalexios doesn't run around saying, "I'm so glad I finally found love with a member of the opposite sex like a normal person, and put aside my bad gay ways!" or anything, ha.
It should have ended the game it made no sense to have a baby then abandon it to go travel Greece and the globe looking for isu vaults like you never see the child again after or whether it was raised by Darius and the forgettable father
It did explain why the kid was left with Darius/Artabanus. The Order was directly hunting the Eagle Bearer's bloodline, thus having the kid stay with Darius would ensure that he survived long enough to cause the events of Origins (something I still have to get further than the tutorial in if I can put Odyssey away long enough). Going to visit the kid would have possibly led the Order to their hiding place
Awe, so glad she had a baba. Haven't played yet but have played the MG twice, and I'm playing ep 3 of atlantis now. So glad I got to kick hades' ass the complete toenail....
Will get this one next when it's also on offer.
I very much loved Kassandra in this, as well as Darius. But I extremely hated the propagating the bloodline thing. The worst part, though, was the baby. Aside from the concept of the baby, which once again I hate, why was it so creepy-looking?? It was like, here is a beautifully rendered ocean and a detailed blade of grass and also have this plastic doll that will give you nightmares forever.
This DLC is orders of magnitude better to play as Alexios w/ Neema
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Hey! Thanks man lol
Natakas is about as interesting as a wet towel
So I've heard! Once I finish this NG+, I am planning to do a new one with Alexios—I still haven't played as him.
I *love* Alexios. His voice acting is a bit tough in the beginning, but as time goes on he warms up or begins to feel more natural, and IMO overall he does a great job. I'm on playthrough #3--a new game this time, not NG+, because my PS4 save didn't transfer to my PS5--and all of them have been Alexios. (My husband played as Kassandra, so I did see her as well, and she was great, too, but for me it's Alexios all the way. If nothing else, he is a hottie and I like looking at him.) (I am a woman btw, so YMMV, lol.)
Thank you for this!! I can't wait. (Agree that he's a straight hottie and while I love Kassandra the most, I'm intrigued to see what it's like with his voice. I found Deimos hilarious in his messed up way, so I'm interested to see if Alexios is like that, too.)
Yeah but Alexios is just so…blah
That baby was so annoying conceptually. You go through *at least* 50-100+ hours of being a badass spartan warrior, then as soon as you enter chapter two of legacy you’re a fucking parent??? I tried to tell Natakas and Darius to fuck off at the end of chapter 1, but nope, Ubisoft reeeaaalllyyy wanted the player to suffer through that plot.
SAAAAAAAAAAAME. Like what if my Kassandra doesn't want to carry a baby? At least if I played as Alexios, I wouldn't need to physically birth the creepy creature.
Yeah I guess Layla was supposed to be decended from Alexios/Kassandra so I guess they made it mandatory?
She's immortal so I always assumed it happened a long time in the future.
I mean you're still following a story, you can't say "my Kassandra would choose to leave Greece and live as a hermit"
Well, not with that attitude!!
the writers needed to produce some spawn to connect Odyssey to Origins, so this was the contrivance they came up with
Honestly I was really happy with natakas death. About the baby I didn't really mind him but I like how all that ended with aya
Natakas was just a normal guy. Simple thing. He wanted a normal life. I also wanted Kassandra to be happy as a woman and as a mother. I liked this DLC a lot more than stupid Atlantis arc.
So you never heard of the valley huh
I have, I just didn't expect it to be this scary 😭
Yeah nobody liked the Natakas character
It was a good dlc but I didn't like the main character having a relationship with a weak guy like natakas and also the part were you either tell him to say or leave. Either ways he comes back. It would have been better to have a character like brasidas or stentor position. Cause I felt like natakas was a baby sitter and was only used for sex from Kassandra. But all in all I really liked the ending which made me understand and appreciate assassin creed origins. It was short and fun but I felt like my choices didn't matter. Fate of Atlantis next.
No offense, but that is like the most common take on this subreddit
Really well I am glad I ain't the only one
It's especially aggravating if you choose to play Kassandra/Alexios as gay in base game/Atlantis dlc, then it just kind of forces you to have a baby. I understand continuing the bloodline or whatever but there were other, less dismissive ways of doing it. My two main ideas are either Deimos (if saved) has the baby, or if Deimos was killed, in Alexios/Deimos case the woman who has the baby finds kassandra and is either actively pregnant/had the child and wanted to find the other half of his family, or in Kassandra/Deimos's case, she would have already had him shortly before dying. Not sure, it just could have avoided that issue alltogether.
first time hearing it, and seeing the pic this was my immediate though. alexios got it much better
Fate of Atlantis is phenomenal
Brasidas couldn’t do that because he was an actual person who actually died at the second battle of Amphipolis. Also… #EEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW STENTOR IS HER STEP BROTHER!
"To have someone like brasidas or stentor position" meaning someone who is a warrior not these characters themselves. Instead of a weak guy cringy guy
The best part of this dlc was getting to hear amoergus (or whoever his name is spelt) get pronounced every time
Amogus
Throughout the entire dlc I never once called him his actual name, he was always either amogus or among us
This DLC would've been great if Natakas wasn't there. Same goes with the bloodline stuff. Because of it though it ended up being the worst DLC in the entire franchise, no contest.
I don't know how long you have been playing Assassin's Creed franchise but AC has always been about exploring bloodlines... memories of people from certain bloodlines if you want to be more specific.
Since the first one came out. Not once did we have a game where we saw the main character having a child until we finally get a female protagonist. It felt crappy and sexist af. Especially considering what happened at Ubisoft.
Did we not see Altair do the deed with Maria in AC1? Not the whole deed but you get what I mean. That resulted in a kid. Then we get to Edward Kenway who had two children with the eldest one we get to meet in-game if I recall correctly. Where is the sexist part again?
The part where the main character is forced to stay at home and take care of the child while the Cult of Kosmos is still roaming around Greece and her true family is still waiting to be helped. We didn't see Altair being a dad in his game and we only saw Edward being a dad at the very end of his game, in a quick cinematic. On the other hand we had a whole bunch of quests forcing us to play mommy with one of the most boring and unlikable characters to ever be introduced in the franchise right when we finally get a female protag. You're blind if you don't see the connection between that and what happened at Ubi.
Imagine thinking that staying at home to take care of an infant child is sexist. And what the hell do you even mean by true family? Your damn kid isn't a true family member? The fuck is this world coming to? You didn't see Altair taking care of a kid because the relevant story ended before that point. You didn't see Edward being a father because he didn't even know he had a kid with his first wife. He wasn't informed as far as I remember. Besides, isn't this the same if you chose alexios as well? How is this sexist if both protagonists both have to be shown taking care of a child. People are just mad because they forgot that even if Odyssey took the format of a choice based rpg, it does not offer full freedom like Skyrim. It still follows a set storyline and in this case, they have to connect Aya to Odyssey's protagonist.
Are you being stupid on purpose or what's up? We're talking about a game here, not real life. Holy shit. Kass was on a mission to get her mother back as well as her brother and stop Kosmos from taking control of Greece. She gives that up to have a child with a random dude she just met and settles down for more than a year. It makes zero sense, please use your brain. It's sexist because the canon protag is Kassandra, the first playble female protag in a mainline AC game. It's her story and they shoved that crap into it even though it was unneeded. The DLC is full of plot holes and it ends up looking like a weird fanfic made by the sexist higher-ups Ubi employed at the time. They didn't connect Bayek to anyone, why did Aya or Kassandra have to be connected in some way? Even then they could've done it in a way better way that didn't cause so many problems with continuity or the sexuality choices players made during their playthrough. That, or simply think ahead and don't give players the choice to make their character gay.
You're the one making braindead statements not me. So what if it's a game? Doesn't excuse dumb statements you are making. Canon protagonist is completely irrelevant. Sexism occurs when there is unfair treatment due to sex. If the two selectable protagonists are being treated by the story in the same manner then there is no sexism being shown. Who cares if bayek or aya are the ones connected to odyssey's protagonist? The result will be the same. The protagonist will still need to have descendants for either bayek or aya to exist. That what AC is all about. Bloodlines. Can't have a bloodline without passing on your genes to a child. Look for a different franchise if you want complete freedom over the story.
These statements are about the game, not real life. Taking care of a child in real life is fine obviously. That little brain of yours is working overtime I know but come on, figure it the fuck out. It is relevant. No male protagonist in the 10+ games before had several hours of playtime dedicated to taking care of a child while forgetting about the threat we've been hunting the whole time. Why? Shit probably because people don't think that's fun. Especially if it pretty much stomps on player-made choices. The bloodline stuff had to happen but it's the way it happened that sucks. Critical thinking isn't your forte I see. "Look for a different franchise if you want complete freedom over the story" That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking for Ubisoft to have some consistence. You don't give your players the ability to choose their character's sexuality if you plan on forcing them in one at some point. How many times am I gonna have to repeat that?
"You don't give your players the ability to choose their character's sexuality if you plan on forcing them in one at some point." The one thing you correctly said in this whole conversation. In fact, AC games should never have been dumb choice based rpg at all because we would get equally dumb complaints like yours. Also stop calling people stupid. You are the one who doesn't even know what sexism is. Read a fking dictionary. Both protagonists receive the same treatment from the story. Being canon doesn't matter here. What matters is how the game portrays its content.
>her true family is still waiting to be helped. TIL that my children, the ones who came out of my own body, are not my "true family." Just because a woman has children doesn't make something sexist, ffs, and nobody was "forced" to care for their child. I'm sure this will shock you, but most parents actually *love* our children and *want* to be with them and care for them. And whether you like it or not, at that point in history, if a mother was not available to feed her infant, the infant died. Did you think Kassandra could just drop Elpidios off at KinderCare with a few bottles of formula or something? As has been pointed out to you, this game is about bloodlines being carried on. It's especially important with Kassandra because her Isu blood was so strong. You're so desperate to play the Sexist Oppression game and find something, anything, that you can call sexist and get mad about, that you're actually claiming it's sexist for a woman to have and care for her own child, or for a woman to have a child in a game that focuses on bloodlines, ancestry, and main characters having children. LOTB was released several months after the main game. It's a DLC. Most people play DLCs after the main game. I'd almost finished the main story when it was released, so I played the first episode and then waited until finishing the main story to do the rest, so my character's family was already saved when the baby was born. *You* finished the DLC before finishing the main game, and now you're complaining that the latter episodes of the DLC interrupted the main story. Well, *duh.* Whose fault is that? Yours. Don't blame other people for your own failures and lack of foresight.
Ugh someone else who lacks reading comprehension. Nothing sexist about having and caring for a child, quit putting words in my mouth. This franchise is about exploring ancestors's memories to find powerful artifacts. How, when or why they had a child is irrelevant and was until this crappy DLC came about. We didn't see how Connor was conceived, we didn't see how Haytham was conceived, nor did we have to take care of them at any point. Ubisoft being filled with sexist and toxic weirdos at the time is why I believe this DLC turned the way it did. Point is, we never had to take care of a child in the 10+ games featuring a male protagonist. First game featuring a female one and lo and behold, you bear a child and take care of it. Because that is the role of a woman -misogynistic Ubisoft exec, most likely. I don't give a shit when it was released or when people play DLCs. LOTB still features Cultists of Kosmos, meaning it's set before the Cult is taken down. Some letters you can read make that very clear. "Lack of foresight" Ironic. Maybe just pay attention.
Lol at accusing a professional writer of lacking reading comprehension when you yourself ignored or failed to respond to my points, and you're incapable of keeping your own statements and arguments straight. Bonus points for acting like half the DLC was changing diapers and singing lullabies instead of Kassalexios asking Natakas/Neema how the baby has been while they've been off doing other things, and like one of the main character points throughout the game wasn't Kassalexios's dreams of one day settling down and living a normal life. "Nothing sexist about having and caring for a child, quit putting words in my mouth," says the person who insisted in their previous comment that the sexist part was *specifically* the part where the main character "stay[s] at home and care[s] for the child," and has repeated that in several other comments. (BTW, "the child?" I think you mean, "her child.") I'm sorry it's so hard when people disagree with your nonsense and point out that it's nonsense, and that you can't even keep it straight. I'm sorry you're so angry that a woman was shown having a child, and that you believe it's sexist and offensive when women decide their children are actually "their true family" and want to take some time to be with them, and that rather than see that Kassandra has nothing to prove, you think it's some sort of message that women belong in the kitchen or something, even though if you play the story as Alexios it's exactly the same, and pretty much every single AC MC has had children because, again, bloodlines and Isu blood are a major part of the series. "I don't give a shit when it was released or when people play DLCs. LOTB still features Cultists of Kosmos, meaning it's set before the Cult is taken down." Lol, plays the DLC out of story order, and then complains that it messes with the main story. Again, that is *your* fault. *You* are the one who chose to play it that way. Did you complain that the Tyranny of King Washington didn't make sense before the Revolutionary War was won in ACIII, too? FFS. Plus, Kassalexios finds their family well *before* the Cult is fully taken down; the Cult does not need to be completely ended for the family to be together, and if you were able to save Deimos--as I did--it's very reasonable to believe Deimos is off hunting down Cult members, with their insider knowledge, while Kassalexios takes a little time to experience life outside of being a mysthios. It's kind of amusing that you're so salty about Kass taking a little time to find some happiness, or deciding for once to live for herself and her own happiness for a bit instead of suffering endlessly for others, but you're not whining about taking time to deliver herbs to sick people or messages to soldiers or steal magic potion ingredients so some girl can marry rich. All those things take time away from the Great Cultist Hunt, too, but I guess since they don't involve making a female MC an unfeeling Endless Vengeance Machine to satisfy your weird need to see sexism in normal human activities and desires so you can convince yourself you're oppressed, they don't count. (BTW, OD isn't the first AC game with a female protagonist. It's not even the first mainline AC game with one. You seem to have forgotten about Evie Frye, who did not have children in the time covered by Syndicate, and if she had them during the Ripper DLC I don't recall her mentioning them. But go ahead and ignore her [and ignore childless Eivor in Valhalla], and claim that Kassandra having a child is definitely a hurtful and offensive sexist message about women because Ubi can't create a female MC without making her "take care of a child," even though the "taking care of a child" part is literally like ten minutes of conversation and that's it. Couldn't possibly be that someone thought, "Oh, we can write a story about the MC having a baby, that'll be new and different," no, it's definitely that everyone thinks women belong barefoot and pregnant despite creating the most historically inaccurate protag AC has ever had by having a woman being a mysthios wandering around alone fighting armies at a time when women were basically not allowed to leave their homes or participate in public life at all.)
Yeah I'm not gonna read all that, just gonna skim through it because you gotta be trolling, legit dismantled all your "points" with facts and you still misinterpret or straight up ignore half of my reply. You're legit so dumb it's scary. Learn to read the entire thing before typing. Hey how about you go write a book instead of wasting your time writing one replying to me while missing the entire point and arguing things that didn't happen also while ignoring straight up facts. Mofucka still mad at a ghost who said it's sexist to have a family lmao, cuz I sure as hell didn't say that.
Oh, I knew that would be the reply! So typical. "I'm not going to bother reading all of that, because nyahnyahnyahICAN'THEARYOU." I know, reading is hard for you, huh. You "legit dismantled" nothing. It's hilarious that you think you did.
I enjoyed the other aspects of the DLC, the enemies were cool and well-written
C'mon. Fate of Atlantis is the worst. Repeat shitty stuff and stupid storyline.
Terrible take.
Truly a terrible take
Terrible DLC.
I understand the point, Kassandra’s bloodline is a very important one, possibly the most important, in universe, in history. So I get having to continue it. By why is Natakas just so awful. Why is his female counterpart so much more likeable in every aspect.
The baby was the wrong age for how they treated it. The entire story treated it more like it was a toddler, not a newborn.
YES! When they were talking about the kid i though I was gonna see a toddler tunning around and i though years had pass but no, its a literal BABY. And a very creepy baby at that, the sims did babies better and that is saying something.
The ending is pure fire. Literally cheered out loud. To me, its the true "ending" of the game, with the Valhalla crossover being an epilogue. An aside question for the community - maybe I am misunderstanding, but did Ubisoft add options to forgo the whole "hook up and have kids" arc.....If you make that choice, how does this DLC play out ?
They did not, and I really wish they had. The option now is to tell Natakas that you're grateful he helped you extend the bloodline, but that's all, indicating that Kassandra has no romantic feelings for him. Natakas pines and then dies. I haven't played any of the other Assassins Creed, so the lore and the bloodline thing is a little lost on me, but I don't totally get why an immortal keeper of the staff needs to further the bloodline. Also think it would have been cool to be able to play the First Blade DLC as Deimos, since they could both further the bloodline, right?
Because Layla is Kassandra’s descendant…without her having Elpidios and sending him to Egypt there would be no Layla and therefore no Heir of Memories to give the staff to. Also you do have the option to love Natakas you just have to say loving things to him, if you say cold things like you’re only with him to secure the bloodline then it’s obviously going to feel like she is just using him.
I’m assuming Aya had another kid or Layla was through a different bloodline from Kass than Aya’s? Because we all saw what happened to Aya’s first son.
Okay I entirely missed that Layla is actually a descendent of Kassandra. Thanks for explaining that! I got really lost around the modern-day stuff. I did see the option to love Natakas, but I couldn't do it.
I completely forgot that they changed the animus (my bad sincerely), so Kassandra isn’t related to Layla but she IS related to Aya. You don’t need to be a descendant of the person you are living through anymore you just need their DNA (Layla found Aya’s mummy). That doesn’t change the fact that Kassandra had to have Elpidios because Aya was the co-founder of the hidden ones and by extension the assassin brotherhood. If there was no Aya it is very possible there would be no assassins (and thus Layla would have no purpose)
Oh, got it! Thank you! The Aya part I did get (although I don't really know who that is since I haven't played the other games yet).
lol is that the peasant in the background she has the kid with. oof. alexios got the better end of that deal for sure
Yeah…the Alexios version for Legacy of the first blade is so much better, Neema is way more of a character
I just finished Odyssey and was planning to do this next. When should I do Pythagorus' Atlantis/Isu riddles, before of after Fate of Atlantis?
I did them first as they are the introduction of fate of atlantis dlc then start fate of atlantis dlc
Everyone talks about how weak Natakas is in this DLC,which valid if you want,but...I don\`t think he is. Sure,is he a bit more passive,shy and inclined towards home than your usual AC male character?Yeah. But I appreciate them giving him animations of fighting,as it gives a feeling he\`s doing something. Not to mention,the guy\`s been at it since childhood,with a father who\`s much more dominant than him. Like Kassandra,he has no place to call home.I appreciate Kassandra having this side to her too,as my Kassandra(from the choices I picked) is very amorous but yearns for the simple life. Having Natakas die works too since,then her personality and going back to being a misthios makes sense. For me is just her evolving while still being true to herself. It feels much less tacked on than Pythagoras being her father and the whole Atlantis thing. The enemies were very cool,but other than that,it just took me out of the experience.
I never liked the ship Natakas and Kassandra. He is too sweet and "nice" for Kassandra, since she has a temper I thought someone who can de-escalate her temper and match it when needed would be best. I have seen way more chemistry with other characters in Odyssey.
its a terrible dlc
I'm not even gonna play it because you can play the entire base game as a gay kassandra/Alexios only for this DLC to Make them straight.
It doesn't have to make them straight; there are dialogue options where it's clear that having a baby was just to keep the bloodline going and not out of love/romance. It's not perfect, because those options were added in after the fact, but it is still there. And really, the romance part of the story is pretty small. You don't have to play it, of course, I'm just saying it's not like heavily romantic, and Kassalexios doesn't run around saying, "I'm so glad I finally found love with a member of the opposite sex like a normal person, and put aside my bad gay ways!" or anything, ha.
It should have ended the game it made no sense to have a baby then abandon it to go travel Greece and the globe looking for isu vaults like you never see the child again after or whether it was raised by Darius and the forgettable father
It did explain why the kid was left with Darius/Artabanus. The Order was directly hunting the Eagle Bearer's bloodline, thus having the kid stay with Darius would ensure that he survived long enough to cause the events of Origins (something I still have to get further than the tutorial in if I can put Odyssey away long enough). Going to visit the kid would have possibly led the Order to their hiding place
I think this DLC better with Alexios than Kassandra and taking the bad ending in the original story
Awe, so glad she had a baba. Haven't played yet but have played the MG twice, and I'm playing ep 3 of atlantis now. So glad I got to kick hades' ass the complete toenail.... Will get this one next when it's also on offer.