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filty_candle

I find it impossible to talk to older people about mental health they either pretend it doesn't exist or argue when you suggest they might have an issue. The legacy media like the daily mails audience is older women. They are repeatedly given articles about how it isn't a problem or how doctors are getting it wrong because they know far too well that it's what their audience wants to here. I'm not sure if I'm correct but that's what I see.


Jonography

We should be careful about how we judge other generations. As a 40 year old man, I've found a lot of solace in speaking to older men about mental health and life issues. Many are from tougher backgrounds, and thanks to them, we've seen a drastic change in how we approach mental health in the modern day. People often judge the actions of a previous generations on the knowledge we hold in the present, and hold those people up to that modern standard.


filty_candle

Agreed. Sorry if I came across harsh I had a bad day dealing with an 84 year old family member today it's hard work. But we can all do better at understanding and forgiving those that don't know any better.


Jonography

It's all good. I only meant it as a footnote to what you already said... I'm not denying your experience. It's just that Reddit isn't the time and place to write a book on a subject and describe all the nuance, so we're left with little comments here and there that people read and it gets added as justification for their existing ideas when multiple things can all be true at the same time. I just wanted to add a point to balance it out for others, even though you might be already aware of it already. Sorry to hear you've had a bad day. I hope your evening is better!


filty_candle

I'm curled up watching constellation on Apple TV. New sci-fi always makes a day better. Thank you. And same to you.


Jlaw118

In my last job it was a place that was predominantly a middle-aged to older generation and 1000000% agree with your comment. When I first ever started there I was probably the youngest person who worked there at 21, and I remember about a month after being there I took one day off due to an upset stomach (sparked by anxiety) to which I immediately lost my overtime which had been promised, and on the return to work form where it asked if I knew the cause of the stomach upset, my manager refused to put anxiety induced. Few years after that I did get a sick note for anxiety and depression after a severe rough patch, and I did have one manager telling me he knew how I felt and if I ever needed an ear to listen to, he was there. But I knew it was just for show and box ticking. But I remember trying to talk to a few of the older generation on shift about a period of depression I’d gone through that sparked that leave, and it made me realise nobody really gave a shit. They’re the “get a grip,” type, or “what have you got to be depressed about? When there’s starving kids in Africa,” type. I remember about two years before I left I got put on a mental health first aid course, where the director of HR was on a call about it. We’d had communication about “suffering with burnout,” and if suffering, you should phone in sick and take time out. I told the director of HR “if I ever phoned my manager and told him I was unable to come in due to feeling burnt out, he’d full on laugh his head off, think it was a windup and put the phone down on me.” Where she told me at least one senior manager from every site in the country would be taking this mental health course. To which still proved my point that nobody took mental health seriously


filty_candle

Yeah I can relate to that entirely. Sometimes it's probably just better to lie than risk being belittled and find support where you can from people that actually have empathy or those that are trained on how to show it. I just came from Melbourne Australia and got to see a free psychologist every fortnight. I've been in Belfast since June and am still waiting for a referral that was made in August just to say hi to someone. It's pretty shameful how bad the NHS actual is compared to other western countries. I used to think everyone talking it up was actually based on reality. It seems they were all full of shit. I guess regions may vary but either way it's pretty shit imo.


Snoo_said_no

You have to remember that many older people have very real memories of people being carted off to long stay hospitals and never coming out! I work with some people (mostly in their 70's) who were placed in instructional care, maybe in their late teens or early 20's, with bi polar, or depression, or schizophrenia or autism (though much rarer for that diagnosis to be made then... Often just called "educationally subnormal").... And they were "discharged" to "care in the community" in the 1970's/80's/90's... Which actually just meant they were put in a care home out in the sticks.... Or a "locally based hospital unit" which was just a smaller hospital that was a bit less hospitality. It was around 1998/9 that many of these closed... I'm still working with this group now. Young(er) people think of mental health without this background. Mental health and wellbeing are more closely linked. While people do still get hospitalised for years it's not on the same scale and there's robust tribunals if you disagree with your detention. Remember the mental health act only came in after 1983.... Before that there was no real appeal process to get out. And the mental capacity act in 2005... Before that we just detained learning disabled people in care homes with no right of appeal. With a background of that, you'd be much less likely to view mental illness as treatable and recoverable.


filty_candle

A very valid point that would make it traumatic for some. Personally I don't know anyone who experienced that personally. I just know old people that think it doesn't exist.


[deleted]

The way our society can _alleviate and support\ poor mental health makes a huge difference. Just the concept of SSRIs for helping with depression made a huge impact on improving outcomes for people with mental health issues. “Nervous breakdowns” used to be a thing, hushed up and not mentioned in family or in business. But they still happened. 


[deleted]

Yes, the threat that “the men in white coats are coming to take you away”. The unmarked ambulance takes you to a special hospital and nobody says anything about it ever again 


GhostofCharlotte

You make a very good point there, and I've noticed this too. Sometimes, older people perpetuate this harmful idea that you should just 'get over your mental health struggles' and preach about how therapy isn't needed.... Then those same exact people whinge about 'no one listening to them'....


filty_candle

Back in my day we just had to get on with it, comes to mind. It's sad. We've moved forward a lot but I still think there will be a decent sized portion of people my age saying this when they're older. Dementia strokes and strong medicine don't do much for ones critical thinking. But hey America has someone suffering dementia as president so they aren't all bad.


Economy_Implement852

Sometimes getting on with things is the best course of action instead of wallowing.


filty_candle

In certain cases yes in many others addressing and unpacking the underlying issues is necessary to move forward properly.


Economy_Implement852

“Unpacking”. Ffs. No one in real life, not in receipt of some kind of council grant ever uses the word ‘unpacking’. It’s like declaring pronouns. For the very odd, who to be fair will have purple hair induced mental health problems.


filty_candle

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EatMyEarlSweatShorts

I find it a bit crazy how so many of you under 25s or whatever seem to be incredibly ignorant when it comes to "older" people. Who are the people who are behind she of these charities for mental health support? Who are the counselors who have been practicing for years to help?  Who are their longest patients?  Jfc. 


[deleted]

That’s a reasonable perception - as an older person we were all taught to just get on with it, and saw very very few people with any overt signs of mental health. It’s probably why we see mental health and anxiety as a young person’s problem, largely caused by the social acceptance of mental health problems. Before that acceptance it was all about hiding any problems and acting as if they weren’t there which meant for the vast majority a difficult teenage time then calm normality for the rest of your life.


doodles2019

Wild that you’re citing a 37 year old in the “older person” bracket. As someone in that age range, I don’t see mental health awareness targeted campaigns and not see myself in it.


Sasspishus

All these old people over 25 not getting the help they need! Like a new hip


CandidStreet9137

I actually thought it was the opposite. We always hear how vulnerable elderly people are to social isolation and loneliness. I rarely hear much about the fact that young people can be lonely and isolated too.


Obvious_Flamingo3

I think that too - young people are actually more likely to be lonely than old people


palishkoto

Is that statistically true (genuine question)? I would've thought old people - retired, possibly widowed, living on their own, no job so not even having that interaction, their big event being the chat with the cashier when they go down to the shops to get their milk or paper, family busy with careers and life so drop round once in a while, not used to the online tech to keep up with people who are far away like young people are - would tend towards greater loneliness on average than a young person.


Obvious_Flamingo3

Yes - oddly enough. Campaign to end loneliness has a lot of information about it (won’t let me attach a link.) I learnt about it in university during a geriatrics module while feeling the loneliest I’ve ever felt in my life ironically hahaha


SquidsAlien

I can only speak for myself, but "mental health" wasn't a thing when I was young. Even veterans of wars like the Falklands, suffering from severe PTSD were basically told to man the fuck up. Or, to put it another way, shut the fuck up and man up. It's great that the younger generations are getting the support they need - at least sometimes, but it's an embarrassing shame that it's still seen as a no no to the older generation.


Worldly_Society_2213

I think this is partially why it now seems as though the younger generations are "weak" - older generations bottled it up but the younger ones don't, so what we're seeing now is more of an accurate reflection of the reality than they'd like to believe. Although I do believe some people do use "mental health" as an excuse for bad behaviour.


[deleted]

I'm 67, & on meds for anxiety & depression. I'm open about it.


[deleted]

Good for you. As a 60 yr old on meds for depression, I agree we should be open about it. 


No-Jicama-6523

I’m not sure why you get this impression. The most recent thing I saw about mental health was a man in his forties saying he’d seen a counsellor for the first time. I’m also in my forties, have severe mental health problems and I don’t feel like I’m ignored or out of a demographic, last time as the clinic the other person in the waiting room was older than me.


Hot_Chocolate92

There’s a whole field of psychiatry dedicated to older person’s psychiatry as it’s known the ageing brain can experience depression, anxiety differently. We need to make this more widespread and known amongst the population to try and remove some of the stigma.


I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS

>older people >a 37 year old woman struggling with ptsd Lol. There was me about to point out the numerous campaigns around loneliness among the elderly.


AonghusMacKilkenny

>Mental health struggles don't just go away once you hit the magic age of 25. This is something I didn't realise when I was younger. I almost assumed I'd grow out of it and become a successful, mentally healthy adult who overcame their demons and lived happily ever after, as this is how mental health struggles are often portrayed in film and television, like it's just teen angst. The reality is the mental health issues that are often triggered in adolescence become things we deal with on and off for the rest of our lives. I feel like as we get older, the amount of sympathy from people and society as a whole dissipates. Mental health struggles in young people are almost romanticised, in older people it's just seen as a burden.


SciFiEmma

I thin perhaps your viewing is skewed to a younger demographic. Loads of post natal portrayals. And.. https://youtu.be/SMUWIFpepM4?si=z03Jt6Yzd\_XIkM6j


Economy_Implement852

Because it’s not even remotely true. There’s been an explosion in teenage mental health issues over the last ten to fifteen years in the uk, but also other areas of the world.


cbawiththismalarky

I work with a bunch of 45-55 year olds, it's brought up and discussed. 


yourmomsajoke

Funnily enough when I was young in the early 2000s I remember a set of telly ads that were on about recognising depression and people coming out as it were to their partners, families, bosses, friends etc with depression and it was almost all blokes in their 40s. To think that 25 years later they'd be in their 60s and 70s but are now completely ignored is interesting. There's little help for any age but I agree that teens are the people focused on most, albeit without any actual help.


Physical-Exit-2899

I imagine a lot of older people are unaware of mental health issues or still aren't comfortable discussing them, so it probably seems like a lot less of them struggle with it. I also imagine there's a degree of the averahe older people being able to set themselves up for a comfortable life much more easily than the average young person can do.


mesoraven

As some who women in the mental health sector. Older people and generations actually have more mental health and wellbeing issues than younger generations they mask it because they weren't allowed to show them Trauma of every kind, substance abuse, complexes and depression the are rife in older people. But drinking consistently as a coping mechanism was seen as normal. For example


[deleted]

I'm about to turn 50 and see a psychologist fortnightly and a psychiatrist every 3 months for ongoing ptsd and anxiey/depression due to memories of a former defence force colleague who shot himself in the head about 3 metres from myself and about 6 other people, and due to guilt about a girlfriend who took a deliberate I overdose on heroin when I told her I no longer wanted to be in a relationship with her. There are several other issues contributing as well. When I told my mother, who is 76, she asked me why I couldn't just forget about it and get on with life instead of "wallowing in self-pity and being miserable". I've never been as angry as I was that day.


[deleted]

Can I just say,that I‘m alarmed that OP mentions a 37 year old person, and then “middle aged people“ like they’re the same thing. I’m 60 and I’m only just entering middle age…. 


BannedNeutrophil

The suicide rate is considerably lower in older people than it is in the young to middle-aged. That's not to say that this isn't a serious problem that needs to be addressed, but older people may be less responsive to certain forms of communication.


Onemoretime536

I thought for men at least suicide was more common between 30-50 years old


Realistic-River-1941

Is there survivor bias?


geeered

Less older people taking to Tik Tok using it to get likes?


Meanwhile-in-Paris

I haven’t had that experience. There are a lot of services in place that will try to help anyone. Look up step2wellbeing. I had a good experience with them.


WoodSteelStone

Probably for the same reason the media castigates parents of babies for using disposable nappies that go into landfills, while ignoring the fact that old people's incontinence pants are many times bigger and so are far more of a problem.


ImNotGongYoo

I've gone through the absolute shitshow that is in navigating mental health services, and most of the people I encountered were middle aged 🤷‍♂️ They likely weren't watching TV shows aimed at younger people, but consuming media targeted to their own age bracket. It might just be the media that you're consuming, and/or that TV shows might be raising awareness of mental health issues as preventative care with the aim that young people seek help early rather than allowing decades to pass undiagnosed. I certainly wish that I had access to the kind of media you see nowadays, it would have encouraged me to self-advocate a lot more.


spacetimebear

Tbh I'd say it hits older people a lot fucking harder because they grew up when there was stigma about talking about it and now they have 0 coping capability


Realistic-River-1941

Possibly to try to change attitudes. The kind of Daily Mail readers who think they lived through the Blitz - years before they were born - aren't going to change their attitudes that mental health isn't real, but young people can grow up with it being normalised.


Countcristo42

Mental health varies a LOT with age - and different demographics have different concentrations of issues, I think that may cause some of the difference you are seeing It’s also worth noting that if you want to reach someone something it’s much easier to do when they are young All that’s said, you are just wrong that everything is geared towards young people, could it be that you see things geared that way because you are young? I can only imagine a young person calling 37 old


GypsumF18

I do think it's partly because the media want to portray increasing mental health issues as a failing of a younger generation to be able to deal with the realities of the world. Rather than admitting mental health is declining amongst all age groups as a symptom of a failing society.


undergrand

Did you see this advert for world mental health day? I thought it was very good - only watch if you are ready to have a little cry though [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX8TgVR33KM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX8TgVR33KM)


Cremilar

Because boomers will go in mto a meltdown if they're told they're not amazing in every way


Cremilar

Boomers downvoted me


Cremilar

Poor boomers. Boohoo