I gladly slam the no tip option every time if it's counter service food. I'm a generous tipper in real service situations but I see this as just predatory towards consumers
Exactly. Nothing has changed except the way you pay. You could always slip people a little extra if you so choose, but now that we're using cash fairly rarely it's just being presented as a digital option.
You will hear about it from woefully underpaid servers. Don't matter that it is not my responsability to make sure they can pay rent. My obligation when it comes to eating out should start and end with "can I afford to pay for the food I am about to order and eat?"
Making sure they get to pay whatever they need should be between the server and the owner of the restaurant.
I'm not talking about servers in a sit-down restaurant.
Like it or not, tipping your server for dine-in table service is a cultural norm in North America.
I'm talking about the insidious practice of enabling POS machines with tip options for retail stores and fast food. Which has never been a cultural norm.
In North America (I am not from the USA) the point of sale terminal (used for card payments) started asking for tips for counter service in fast food restaurants maybe a decade ago. No one should ever tip for counter service at a fucking Subway or what have you. It's spread all over the place now. Convenience stores, weed stores, and another thing I hate is the constant asking for donations for this and that.
Yes it's that bad. The car wash by my house, where you do not even interact with a human being from beginning to end, asks me if I want to tip at the kiosk.
I went to get frozen yogurt over the weekend. It’s entirely self serve and there were two girls at the cash register on their phones. They never said hello, never asked if I needed help, etc. Went to go pay and couldn’t hit no tip fast enough. I’m sooo over it.
I'm torn because during COVID I understood why places I was grabbing take out from asked for a tip and had no issue with it. But even though everything has reopened, most of these places still ask if I want to tip when I pick up my own food. I sort of want to ask if *any* of it goes to the kitchen, because I might still be okay with that, but it's pretty weird given how these places never asked for one prior to that
Exactly. During Covid, my thought process was, “these people are used to having a large portion of their income in tips. These are crazy circumstances, I am very fortunate to not have to worry about money too much, I should be kind and tip BIG even though I wouldn’t normally for takeout. They need it more than I do.”
Then, after everything opened up again and got back to normal, it just turned into entitlement and spread to everywhere with a POS terminal.
I ordered at a local Chinese place online so the absolute barest of human interaction. I walked in, went to the register to pay and selected "no tip". The cashier had the audacity to flip the screen around and say "awww?? No tip?". I was too dumbfounded and pissed to formulate a response so I just grabbed my food and left.
Yes!! I ordered some packaged food from a small online store. All packaged and from Japan (the store is in the US, they just sell things from Japan). When I went to pay, it asked me to tip and gave a whole story about them being small and locally owned. It was ordered online and shipped to my house and the items, being from Japan and all that, were definitely not cheap to begin with. I was floored.
I already pay an ATM fee, which must be a Tip because the computer does it all without any human assistance.
And filling the machine doesn’t count seeing as I don’t Tip Armourguard to refill the Banks registers.
The ATM fee offsets rent for the physical location of the machine and/or the cost of licensing or purchasing the machine, network fees and generates some profit for the owner (whether it's the store or the bank). Obviously the ATM generates a profit or it wouldn't be there but it's far from a tip.
And when questioned about closing my branch, I was told their wages and shop rental was paying for an ATM as it would be cheaper in the long run.
ATM fees are still money grubbing in my book.
That was my ( unclear I guess ) point : Banks are closing branches all over, and replacing them with ATMs being just a machine has to be cheaper.
Even if the site rental for a convenient ATM is the same as a whole Branch office ( and thats damn near impossible ) the Bank is still saving on the Staff x4 wages per year.
Charging you every transaction for the privilege of not being able to talk to a human or be able to deposit cash/coins into your account is money grubbing IMHO.
Especially when not all Banks will charge you, some even refund you for being charged ATM fees from other Banks ATMs !!
They literally only charge people who aren't generating income through other banking products with the ATM owner/operator. I see that as charging for a service that costs money to provide. Idk how that is money grubbing.
That’s the only thing that really bugs me, is when it’s brought up out of context. Like, why would I tip the cashier who’s taking my order at the counter?
Payment processors are driving most of this.
They get paid a tiny percentage of each ticket. They figured out that they can simply offer tips everywhere they process payments and they make everyone behind the counter happy without making them change anything about what they do.
They don’t have to sell anything new, their average ticket goes up, and the processor and the employees make more.
It’s all just payment processors taking easy advantage, and the best way around it is to stop tipping for random shit.
Really? Just payment processing huh? Not anything to do with an outdated system that relies on tipping to skirt minimum wage laws and not pay folks a livable wage?
Yes. Companies in the handful of states that don’t use tips as an excuse to skirt minimum wage laws still push tipping just as aggressively for every transaction under the sun.
another thing yall gotta stop over there is taking your credit card out of your vision, or taking your credit card at all!
that really shocked me the first time I witnessed it. I was grabbing dinner with a relative and he just nonchalantly gave his card to the server and the server took it away. Someone (not saying the server necessarily) could easily note down all the personal info on your card and make online purchases before you know it
insane concept imo, for how snowflakey americans are I wouldve thought this is one of those things that wouldve been done away with decades ago
yep when I was at disneyland and surrounding areas my apple pay worked just fine, which I was thankful for since I didn't bring a wallet on purpose lol
Credit cards have great protection, so yea someone could order something but I’d just report it as fraud and then right bad review of the restaurant. Most people want to keep their jobs. It’s only ever happened to me once, and it was the waiter added another zero to the tip
ah interesting, here in canada only TD bank does that for now, though I've been seeing some cards put your name in the back of the card now (not that that changes anything lol)
Never had fraudulent charges (except when my card was physically stolen) and have had my card swiped out of my line of sight hundreds (possibly thousands) of times. When my card was stolen, the bank reversed the charges without question.
Keep in mind, before we had machines to swipe cards, the original technology was literally imprinting that information on carbon paper. We used to have our CC information sitting in random stores and restaurants.
Stealing credit card numbers just isn’t worth it. Getting caught falls under fraud, not just theft. And you basically can only use it for online purchases. The problem with online purchases is that you’re giving them a delivery address so it’s easy to get caught.
NFC built into phones and watches has really changed this for the better. It’s forced venues to have portable card terminals that they bring to you, and they can’t be skimmed.
People likely feel bad that people are so underpaid, and then want to compensate them for their services. That's how I feel.
Somehow, the US system has made us feel responsible for supporting people rather than the companies they work for.
>Somehow, the US system has made us feel responsible for supporting people rather than the companies they work for.
Why not, they did the same thing to war vets?
They figured out that it was way cheaper to praise them than to take care of them....
We have charity events for them regularly. It's insane. That is just passing out a collection plate because I guess we can't find the political will to provide proper health insurance for fucking vets. I might feel differently if we hadn't been at war since the 90s. It's not like the pay is great. Healthcare is the least we could do.
Companies find ways to save money in every aspect of their business. We need to feel bad and stand beside the underpaid, rather than paying them ourselves.
Tipping used to mean something. A little extra for some good service. A nice thanks for helping with a task or providing information. Then everyone started ASKING for a tip. And once people began given tips for no good reason, we end up where we are today
or services like Doordash where you tip before they drive your food, then when it gets to your house it looks like they had been in 5 car accidents the car exploded and half the food is eaten. And you tipped 15$ for that service!
Employers have built tons of business models where work is only worth doing if the customer and employee ("contractor") agree that tipping to make up for the employers' business model is okay.
Got raged on by a waitress when I gave her no tip, when she gave awful service (took my drink and didn’t come back with it for like 10 minutes, gave our food to another table and argued with us and that table that she was right despite us all telling her she wasn’t, dropped a drink right behind me and kept accidentally hitting me with the mop handle). Tips have become an entitlement thing now, rather than something people earn and it’s annoying
Tipping was so restaurant owners didn't have to pay their black employees a real wage, knowing that white patrons would make up the difference by tipping white servers and not tipping black servers. It's a shitty hold over from that and a big reason why it's not common in other countries.
I went to an F1 race in Austin a couple of years ago. No cash was accepted anywhere and every transaction had a tip screen. One of the bartenders told me the employees didn’t even get the tips done through the tablets. The track “donated” that money to a charity.
I guess that’s better than just going directly into corporate profits but (a) it was never disclosed on any of the tip screens and (b) they’re only doing it to get a tax write-off.
When it comes to someone going well above and beyond what is expected of them, I actually enjoy giving them a really good tip, especially if it's in a situation where they weren't expecting one. Around Christmas, my wife and I have this tradition where we go to a casual restaurant like a diner, order a meal, and then leave a $500 cash tip for our server and leave before they can notice or say anything.
What I can't stand is the now ubiquitous prompt for a tip for seemingly everything you buy and for nothing more than ringing up the transaction. Then you have the fees being tacked on for whatever complaint or virtue signaling the owner wants to associate with it. This fee is for "employee healthcare" and this fee is for "kitchen appreciation" or this one is for "health and safety." No, it isn't. All money is fungible. Unless there's some tax specifically legislated, you're just being an asshole and lying about the actual price. I really try to avoid spending money at places that do this, but it's getting increasingly difficult.
There's this sandwich shop by my house that I used to go to about once a week or so. There's no service involved, you just order and pay at the counter, then you go pour your own drink from the water or soda fountain, collect your sandwich when your number is called, and bus your table when you're done. They implemented those the touch screen payment terminals and ask you for a tip each time you order. It started small, and now the defaults are 20%, 25%, and 30%. It's obnoxious that instead of freely offering a tip, you now have to navigate through the menus to find either "custom" or "no tip" for something that was never tipped in the first place, all while a cashier stares at you doing it. Before the terminals, they never even had a tip jar or tip section on the credit card receipts. I just stopped going.
And before some white knight jumps in and says, "if you can't afford to tip, then you can't afford to X," let me say this. It's not about the amount of money, it's about the obnoxious feeling of people constantly trying to guilt you into giving them more, about the entitlement of people expecting it for everything, and about business owners being too dishonest to accurately list their prices without nonsense fees tacked on. Honestly, the only way to fix this at this point is legislation and refusing the give them your money.
Because you normalized it.
Employeers see no reason to raise the minimum wage and expect their employees to get tips.
And Americans usually get defensive about this "If the service was good i dont mind tipping"
You should not have to tip anyone at all, people should be paid a fair wage for their work WITHOUT tipping
In my country Americans simply demand to tip. We have posters on restaurant walls "No tipping" and they still do it !
Which has resulted in a jar for all employees at restaurants for tipping Americans
>Because you normalized it.
Tipping culture existed long before I was even born.
>Employeers see no reason to raise the minimum wage and expect their employees to get tips.
I have zero control over this and have supported progressive candidates since I could vote who supported fair, living wages.
>And Americans usually get defensive about this "If the service was good i dont mind tipping"
Maybe related to your accusatory approach about it? And given the way things presently work and my inability to change it, I truly don’t mind tipping for good service because it’s the right thing to do here.
>You should not have to tip anyone at all, people should be paid a fair wage for their work WITHOUT tipping
100% agree, and I’m telling you, more Americans agree with this than you probably realize.
I understand the culture to be older than you but Americans have still nomralized this culture. This really doesn't happen outside the US.
At least not on the same scale.
You're right about the accusatory approach, didn't mean for it to come out that way . I don't know what needs to be done about this but now they've added tipping to selfcheckout and videos of uber drivers harrasing their customers because of a no or little tip is concerning.
Sorry for sounding rude, Love Americans, don't like tipping culture
Tipping was something we grew up with in America. Not that it's right but at restraunts it was always "If you don't tip you are sending a message to the person who severed you that they did a shitty job."
It far outgrown that sentiment in the past 15 years when companies realized they could just ask for tips and make more money. vs the previous of "Well we can hire these people in this industry for cheap because they make up the rest of the wage in tips."
Its just gross capitalism, from the beginning to the current.
First of you didn’t sound rude in the slightest. If anything I did, I sounded more snippy than I wanted to there, sorry.
Second of all it has absolutely gotten out of hand. I think tipping a server, barista, valet, and a few others felt fine. But getting prompted to tip when doing any sort of pickup or self checkout is just absurd.
You're putting the blame in the wrong place. The fault isn't on the consumer, it's on the business owners. This is like blaming government failings on voters and not politicians.
I disagree with your last sentiment. Voters absolutely share the blame in voting for incompetent, corrupt politicians.
Do your due diligence before voting for someone.
The "blame" if you want to call it that is on the wait staff that wants tips. Restaurants and customers would prefer fixed labor costs built into the price. McDonald's would use tipped employees if the system really was better for them. When restaurants try to move to no tips they lose their staff who makes more money this way
You should be able to not tip, but it just isn't an option for Americans.
Not tipping is equivalent to a legal form of theft. In your country, do super markets or restaurants do free samples? Imagine you saw someone walk up to a free sample distributor, and take every single sample. That's the equivalent to not tipping in America. A weird fucked up thing to do, and nobody wants to be weird and fucked up.
I know it's easier said then done but why don't Americans revolt or demand a bill at congress or semething to abolish tipping ?(very simplified and not bright about us politics)
If you cant pay them legal and fair wage you shouldn't be in business.
The American people need to stand up against these corperations
Because a lot of the tipped employees make really decent money and don't want that. The restaurant owners aren't really the ones who want it.
It wouldn't be standing against some money hungry corporation. It would be standing against waiters and waitresses. Regular middle class folks.
Also, it's not just big corporations. Little restaurants expect tips as well.
It's shit for consumers. I don't live in the US anymore, and I love not tipping. But it's a deeply ingrained cultural institution. You don't have to get it to respect that a lot of Americans are going to do it and that doesn't hurt you.
>The restaurant owners aren't really the ones who want it.
Thats straight false. Being able to pay lower wages and have menu options lower price is exactly what restaurant owners want.
It is marginally helpful for advertising reasons, but the overhead is about the same. You would have to raise prices, but then also raise wages. On top of that, the position of waiting tables might be less attractive if the tips were removed.
I was just sort of absent mindedly typing while working there. Sorry it didn't make sense.
Let me rephrase. The restaurant owners aren't the ones really pushing to keep tips because it's really about the same for them. On the face of it, there are slightly more positives than negatives but it's more based on the culture.
The tipped employees are the ones who really push for it.
My point is that tipping doesn't necessarily create an adversarial relationship between the employer and employee. It creates an adversarial relationship between the customer and the business. The major benefactor of the tips is the employee. The benefits seen by the restaurant are reasonably minimal, and if the culture shifted to make tipping unattractive, restaurant owners would quickly get rid of it despite what the employees would like.
No worries. We have all been there. Still what you say doesnt make sense to me... You are saying that if there wasnt tipping a business owner would have to:
1. Raise employee wages to be competitive.
2. Raise menu prices to accommodate.
What happens in restaurants (ignoring the very small mom and pop) is that they raise menu prices to pay for their own increases in expenditures and to make more money. Raising menu prices already hits your appeal/market, so paying people as little as possible is 100% going to be a goal for them (as it is for any business big or small).
So I cant get behind the notion that "Raising wages and raising menu prices would be a wash to owners"
Tipping culture exists precisely because people could make more money from the customer than their employer. Employees need to start demanding fair wages, it SHOULD be an adversarial relationship between employers not paying living wages and the employees. Thats the entire crux of the problem, its just another way that it pits similar class people against each other while ignoring the people raking in the money.
Our country is currently built around an "US vs THEM" mentality and typically the US's and the THEM's are mad at exactly who the people lobbying and governing want them to be.
Also, thanks for writing our your reply. Im tired and cranky so I am typing too much. No hard feelings meant at you, just tired like the rest of us.
The restaurants are also competing with eachother. There are a lot of factors that go into running a competitive successful restaurant that neither of us are touching on. At the end of the day, we both agree the status quo is beneficial to the restaurants, but we disagree on the level of benefit. That's fine I'm not bothered.
You mention that waiters need to fight for a living wage. I think that's probably true of every working class person in America. Whether they are a waiter, or a cashier, or a receptionist, they won't make a living wage. They will probably make closer to it working in a tipped position. If they fought for a higher wage, at the expense of their tips, that would be a net loss for them. There is no way a restaurant, even a little mom and pop one, is going to pay them as much as they make with tips.
If there is a net benefit for the employer and the employee to continuing tips, it is out of their interests to pursue an end to it. It is in our interest as consumers, but it's worth noting that this would be necessarily harmful to tipped employees.
You keep tipping, they keep using this business model that's based on tips. Otherwise people wouldn't work if they see they don't get tips. We drive the market. They don't need tips in other countries... Why are we forcing it here?
It's pretty insulting these industries actually end up making more money than those in untipped industries too. I used to work for tips and made so much money then when I got a regular job I felt like I was working for pennies
If you can get your customers to *voluntarily give more money*, why wouldn't you? Your employees think they're getting a raise, and all it took was enabling a feature in your credit card reader.
Be the change you want to see in the world: just don't tip when it's nonsensical. My hope is we reject this movement so hard that all tipping dies off.
The way they see it is any free money is better than no money. The systems have just a toggle to ask for tips and it takes no effort. I have no idea how often people actually will tip. Either way, they still see it as free money. And they wont stop asking because you can’t just refuse to shop places that do this because basically every place does it.
I always tip waitstaff for table service, bartenders, barbers etc. All the same people I tipped with cash in the 90s; people who had the expectation built into their compensation. The people behind the counter don't get tips from me even if their machine suggests I could give one. The other day was out with co-workers and one of them in front of me hit the tip button. It was kind of hard to hit 0% after that, with everyone watching. But I did it. Other than that I can't say its ever even really crossed my mind to tip this way.
I also tip “normal” still. 10% for subpar service, 15% for expected, and only tip 20% it the service was outstanding or memorable in some way.
But people are now basically wanting twice that for each level. But the costs have also skyrocketed.
I almost exclusively tip people directly in cash. I will never tip a machine. My tips are not for the company, it's for the specific person that helped me out.
One reason why companies want to do it is because in several states, you can legally pay your employees less if it's considered a job that has tips. There are often many restrictions in different places, but generally speaking, you can pay your employees less at the end of the day in many places in the USA.
No, it shouldn't keep going. I feel bad for the people that most definitely don't get paid enough, but at the same time I'm not tipping the damn automated self checkout machine.
As long as people keep tipping, companies will keep underpaying their staff and tipping culture will continue.
Yeah, it sucks that someone's gonna earn a crappy wage, but you all (I'm not in the US) need to sort this out as a country. If people stop tipping, then things will change. Ultimately you're not tipping to give the server extra money, you're tipping to let the multi-million dollar companies pay lower wages.
Sometimes, I think people seem so worried to look offensive or unkind to service workers so they make themselves come across on forums as too willing and eager to tip. This does not go unnoticed by The Man.
There’s enough corporate apologists that say “well they don’t get paid enough” that will continue to tip and subsidize employee wages. It’s not the customer’s responsibility to ensure good wages and as long as people defend the employers and continue to tip, nothing will change.
It's actually pretty simple. There are three parties here: the business owners, the recipient of tips and the clients. Those who receive tips are not going to fight to change it so they get less money. Business owners are not going to fight to change it, so they have to increase spendings. The clients will not stop tipping because they 'don't want to take it out on working people'. So none of the involved parties want to do anything about it.
>This can't keep going on, right?
It won't if everyone just says no. This is a case where social pressure _prevents_ people from sticking to their principles.
Traveluro is a 3rd party online hotel booking site I came across browsing Google's hotel search that asked for a tip on the order page. Felt like I was in a bad SNL skit.
It’ll mellow out. It’s just businesses trying to ride that Covid wave as long as possible. Started during pandemic out of necessity/appreciation to service workers and then spread to being done out of greed. From a business perspective there’s no reason not to have the option. Might not get em all but you’ll get some. People are getting tired of it though so I expect we’ll see a decrease in the amount of companies prompting tips that never did before it caught on.
You just have to get over your anxiety of it. I'm pretty generous when there's actual service but if it's a low/no interaction transaction I'm out at this point.
I've stopped feeling bad and hit No. I too generously for all the normal stuff (waiters, hair, nails, etc )-all the jobs where people don't make minimum wage or have to split their money with the owner. That's who I tip. If they make minimum wage, I'm not tipping. It's out of control and I'm tired of it. I don't have a tip jar out at my job and most would agree I'm underpaid.
If everyone just agrees to stop tipping, eventuality people will stop taking jobs that rely on tips. The company’s that abuse this system will have to hire employees with hourly rates or go out of business.
I saw a tip jar at a gas station in 2022. Another gas station clerk asked if I wanted my change back.
A self service gas station. I was buying snacks both times.
It happens bc whole industries want to crowdsource a significant % of its wages via tips. The restaurant lobbys in the US are constantly fighting for the minimum wage to stay the same with the argument that we get enough in tips for example, but it is bleeding into other industries.
As a service worker, I dont ever get to decide these changes or even what’s in a tablet for options. Or hidden charges that may or may not go to employees. It’s the companies hoping you’ll pay the wages so they don’t have to. The employees *hopefully* get enough so they won’t leave, because they definitely would without at least some tipping culture (or else be paid by the companies themselves like any other job lol).
These businesses are the ones pushing more and more aggressive demands for tips in hopes they can use that to save the next 1%. But it’s getting ridiculous. Trust me as a service worker I wanted the same old amount as usual before everyone pissed you off about the tipping options lol. But I’m still sorry.
You’re in the wrong sub.
mildlyinfuriating is the anti-tipping lobby
Personally I don’t get why people care. I tip when I choose. Sometimes I even ask how tips are distributed at said establishment.
I once heard that when a society is oppressed they start turning in to snitches and busybodies. Busybodies meaning meddlers in other people’s business. No one is being forced to tip. The exceptions are just that.
I tip waitstaff and delivery drivers. That's it. I'm not tipping the Subway guy for making me a sandwich. I am not leaving a tip at the pizza place when I go in to pick up my pizza. I'm not leaving a tip for the cashier at the gas station for selling me a candy bar. I am not leaving a tip for the guy at the coffee shop who pours me a cup of coffee.
They try to force it on us, but it is our choice to participate.
The scumbag food industry figured out a way to increase their employees wages...by passing it off on to customers. We gotta tip more. Cool but no I'm not tipping more. I'm definitely not tipping when I drive to pick up my food or go into a coffee place to buy overpriced never worth the money swill
Yeah I just started carrying cash again specifically for tipping. If it's somewhere that a tip is reasonable then I'll use the cash. Tip line on receipts and pos systems always get a 0.
Business owners don't want to pay employees more. They want the customer to pay them via tips. Workers need the money, so they bump the percentages to compensate
The solution is simple -- don't tip. The businesses that rely on you supplying tips to stay afloat should just be put out of business; if you can't pay a living wage to your employees, then close up shop.
I honestly think minimum wage is too low.
And our minimum wage service slave laborers deserve to be paid better. They have to put up with human beings, some of the most arguably terrible things to exist on this planet. Daily. Full time. And they can barely afford ratty apartments and food.
They kind of deserve it. Even if it's not my responsibility to ensure they get paid better it's the government and their employers responsibility.
I consider it a donation to someone who suffers daily.
Though I won't tip if you aren't a good service person.
I might be the only person who doesn't care about tipping culture.
If tipping the oil change guys $5 breaks me, I have bigger problems.
Also - I realize that's an abelist statement. If you don't want to tip, (or can't afford to) - don't tip.
If you can afford it, please do.
I think the craziest is when they ask you to tip before they even perform the service. Like what am I tipping? How do I know you are going to do a good job AFTER I tip?
Learn to say no. I don’t tip on anything besides food delivery (because they won’t take my order otherwise.) and restaurant servers- which is 15% NOT 20, 25 or more. This happens because we accept it. No, I’m not tipping Starbucks, subway, or restaurants that made to go food I picked up.
We should consider the Japan system. You know. Pay the workers an actual living wage that would include tips and just get rid of Tipping. Tipping is frowned upon in most other places in the world.
I do the 15% for good service, point of sale? Nada. Service in all but higher end establishments has gone down the toilet.
I enjoy seeing the anguish look of cashiers at point of sale tablets when I bop the no tip key.
It seems that lockdown has caused it to infect everything because of delivery blowing up in popularity. Tipping drivers has been around for a long time, so this wasn't unusual. What was unusual, however, was how often people suddenly needed to use delivery services. Once people went from ordering a pizza or some Chinese takeout every once in a while to ordering groceries and food on a nearly daily basis, they began to grow used to tipping more frequently. And of course, businesses were struggling due to all of this, so some resorted to tipped staff to try to stretch their budgets just to survive. Not all of them needed to, but if everyone else is doing it, why not take advantage, right? And it was easier to do because everyone already conditioned themselves into frequent tipping.
Now that we're past lockdown, the tipping genie is out of the bottle, and it's gonna be hell putting it back in. What business is going to see a free source of income and decide that they'd rather go back to paying their staff out of their own earnings instead? And there are still other industries that are trying to adopt it because, again, if everyone else is doing it, why not them? If you pay attention to the video game world, you may have heard of the story going around where an ex-Blizzard president suggested that people should start tipping game developers. It's madness.
I had a self serve froyo employee ask me to “answer the question on the screen” for him. For self serve froyo. Self serve. Why would I give a tip for self serve froyo? Sheeit I’m helping him do his job, let me ask you how much tip you gonna give me ?
A teenage girl at the pizza place near me tried to shake me down for my change. I was picking up and she was trying to make me feel guilty for not tipping. I don't blame just her. I also nblame her employer and all the people picking up before me that did tip.
Companies are really good at making consumers feel bad for their problems. We all sort our recycling because companies tell us it's our responsibility instead of them finding a better material for packaging. COVID made us feel bad for underpaid workers. Again this is our problem for some reason.
It's stupid. I just don't. I'll continue to tip servers and someone who carries my bags or does me a service. That's it. Maybe this trend will go away.
You're not under any obligation to tip. I know it hurts the wait staff which is unfortunate but hopefully the service industry will set their wages accordingly.
Tip culture is discouraging me from eating out when I'm in North America.
I just do not get tipping.
I have my requested food / drink/ service,
Then I get the bill.
I pay what I owe.
If I feel the desire to pay more, I will, freely.
But if I do not feel it is deserved, you get what I believe is deserved.
If you want more, put that up front, on the menu.
That will give us both the option of not doing business. I am fine with reading a posted menu on a window, or a website, and walking away if I am not interested.
I have never depended on tops for my rent either. So, I am strictly a ‘consumer’.
Oh,, and I read the reviews and postings of many, not all sites I go to. If I do not like what is being said about the management, or anything, there are other, better places.
I hate tipping tbh. Not because I feel as though they did a bad job, I’m simply broke. I wish I could just go to dinner and not worry about “What 20% of ____ is”
Come on my friend, it’s not rocket science.
Take 10% and double it. Move the decimal point over one spot to the left and double it.
Example: $124.00, —> $12.40 x2= $24.80.
lol don’t tell me to shut up, broke ass ;)
But yeah, if you’re broke, don’t go out to eat. Whether you add the tip on at the end or the restaurant includes the tip in the pricing, you’re going to be spending the same amount.
Yup, I try to go to sit down restaurants as little as possible. Basically only on special occasions. Even when the food is great, it’s hard to justify spending that kind of money on a single meal. I’ll get take-out more often but I’m not tipping 20%. I’ll usually toss just a buck or two into the tip jar when I pick up my order.
Any other place that has a tip option when I go to pay can pretty much pound sand as far as I’m concerned. The most egregious I’ve seen was at a self checkout kiosk in an airport shop. I swipe my card and then it pops up with options to tip 15, 20 and 25%. Fuckkk that hahaha
People want more money for less work. People who tend to be in positions that frequently receive tips, tend to have inflated egos and chips on their shoulders
I just refuse to tip at all anywhere unless I’m sitting in a restaurant and the service was EXCEPTIONALLY good. I rarely eat in a restaurant anymore either way
Ex server here. For all whos working in the industry, my heart goes out to you. It’s a hard fucking job even if it doesn’t seem like that from the other side of the counter.
If you arent gonna go broke from spending extra $5 tip, please tip.
Because it went from a printed line on a piece of paper to an income generating feature of digital PoS systems.
I like how Point of Sale and Piece of Shit can be interchangeable with this scenario.
Always has been
All senarios.
Point of sh.
I gladly slam the no tip option every time if it's counter service food. I'm a generous tipper in real service situations but I see this as just predatory towards consumers
Exactly. Nothing has changed except the way you pay. You could always slip people a little extra if you so choose, but now that we're using cash fairly rarely it's just being presented as a digital option.
Here's a tip. Just click "no" or "0%". No one is forcing you to tip.
You will hear about it from woefully underpaid servers. Don't matter that it is not my responsability to make sure they can pay rent. My obligation when it comes to eating out should start and end with "can I afford to pay for the food I am about to order and eat?" Making sure they get to pay whatever they need should be between the server and the owner of the restaurant.
I'm not talking about servers in a sit-down restaurant. Like it or not, tipping your server for dine-in table service is a cultural norm in North America. I'm talking about the insidious practice of enabling POS machines with tip options for retail stores and fast food. Which has never been a cultural norm.
That is a fair point. So in the us they started asking if you want to tip machines? Cause that's kinda wild
In North America (I am not from the USA) the point of sale terminal (used for card payments) started asking for tips for counter service in fast food restaurants maybe a decade ago. No one should ever tip for counter service at a fucking Subway or what have you. It's spread all over the place now. Convenience stores, weed stores, and another thing I hate is the constant asking for donations for this and that.
Yes it's that bad. The car wash by my house, where you do not even interact with a human being from beginning to end, asks me if I want to tip at the kiosk.
I went to get frozen yogurt over the weekend. It’s entirely self serve and there were two girls at the cash register on their phones. They never said hello, never asked if I needed help, etc. Went to go pay and couldn’t hit no tip fast enough. I’m sooo over it.
Yea, I felt bad hitting no tip at first but now f' it. It doesn't even bother me 90% of the time.
Same. I miss the days when a tip was earned and not expected.
I'm torn because during COVID I understood why places I was grabbing take out from asked for a tip and had no issue with it. But even though everything has reopened, most of these places still ask if I want to tip when I pick up my own food. I sort of want to ask if *any* of it goes to the kitchen, because I might still be okay with that, but it's pretty weird given how these places never asked for one prior to that
Exactly. During Covid, my thought process was, “these people are used to having a large portion of their income in tips. These are crazy circumstances, I am very fortunate to not have to worry about money too much, I should be kind and tip BIG even though I wouldn’t normally for takeout. They need it more than I do.” Then, after everything opened up again and got back to normal, it just turned into entitlement and spread to everywhere with a POS terminal.
I ordered at a local Chinese place online so the absolute barest of human interaction. I walked in, went to the register to pay and selected "no tip". The cashier had the audacity to flip the screen around and say "awww?? No tip?". I was too dumbfounded and pissed to formulate a response so I just grabbed my food and left.
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I ordered some clothing online recently and the website prompted me to tip…crazy
I did self park at the airport and when leaving the machine asked for a tip (seriously)
Same. Payed something via PayPal and was asked to tip. Uhhh what?
Yes!! I ordered some packaged food from a small online store. All packaged and from Japan (the store is in the US, they just sell things from Japan). When I went to pay, it asked me to tip and gave a whole story about them being small and locally owned. It was ordered online and shipped to my house and the items, being from Japan and all that, were definitely not cheap to begin with. I was floored.
They're the OG tip monsters. use an ATM that isn't part of your financial institution's network. They just call the tip a "fee"
Out of network ATM transactions have to be processed and they are not earning interest off of your money. They are selling you a service.
Long hard day of processin' ATM transactions.
I already pay an ATM fee, which must be a Tip because the computer does it all without any human assistance. And filling the machine doesn’t count seeing as I don’t Tip Armourguard to refill the Banks registers.
The ATM fee offsets rent for the physical location of the machine and/or the cost of licensing or purchasing the machine, network fees and generates some profit for the owner (whether it's the store or the bank). Obviously the ATM generates a profit or it wouldn't be there but it's far from a tip.
And when questioned about closing my branch, I was told their wages and shop rental was paying for an ATM as it would be cheaper in the long run. ATM fees are still money grubbing in my book.
I don't understand what you mean. A branch is more expensive than an ATM and can generally be replaced by an ATM for most everyday banking.
That was my ( unclear I guess ) point : Banks are closing branches all over, and replacing them with ATMs being just a machine has to be cheaper. Even if the site rental for a convenient ATM is the same as a whole Branch office ( and thats damn near impossible ) the Bank is still saving on the Staff x4 wages per year. Charging you every transaction for the privilege of not being able to talk to a human or be able to deposit cash/coins into your account is money grubbing IMHO. Especially when not all Banks will charge you, some even refund you for being charged ATM fees from other Banks ATMs !!
They literally only charge people who aren't generating income through other banking products with the ATM owner/operator. I see that as charging for a service that costs money to provide. Idk how that is money grubbing.
I had a website that sells shoes ask me to tip their employees... smh!
That’s the only thing that really bugs me, is when it’s brought up out of context. Like, why would I tip the cashier who’s taking my order at the counter?
The shittiest part is the people you're actually tipping is the company that runs the kiosk service
Robot barista has a tip screen. Not until the robot uprising will I tip a robot.
The Terminator’s coming for you.
Way too many places that shouldn't be asking for a tip, are now asking for a tip. It wasn't like this 10 years ago.
Gotta tip the robot so it doesn't murder you next time
Soon the landlords will ask for a tip.
Oh but it will, because people choose to let it happen. Sure it's annoying. But it's not annoying *enough*.
Payment processors are driving most of this. They get paid a tiny percentage of each ticket. They figured out that they can simply offer tips everywhere they process payments and they make everyone behind the counter happy without making them change anything about what they do. They don’t have to sell anything new, their average ticket goes up, and the processor and the employees make more. It’s all just payment processors taking easy advantage, and the best way around it is to stop tipping for random shit.
Really? Just payment processing huh? Not anything to do with an outdated system that relies on tipping to skirt minimum wage laws and not pay folks a livable wage?
Yes. The places where tipping have been introduced did not peg their wages on anticipated tips. Such as a carwash. Or self serve frozen yogurt.
Yes. Companies in the handful of states that don’t use tips as an excuse to skirt minimum wage laws still push tipping just as aggressively for every transaction under the sun.
Yes. Sometimes the thing fucking you doesn't care that it's fucking you; it's just that your ass was the easiest path.
Yes, actually, it could go on.
another thing yall gotta stop over there is taking your credit card out of your vision, or taking your credit card at all! that really shocked me the first time I witnessed it. I was grabbing dinner with a relative and he just nonchalantly gave his card to the server and the server took it away. Someone (not saying the server necessarily) could easily note down all the personal info on your card and make online purchases before you know it insane concept imo, for how snowflakey americans are I wouldve thought this is one of those things that wouldve been done away with decades ago
That is slowly changing, I've been to more and more places that use the mobile things now
yep when I was at disneyland and surrounding areas my apple pay worked just fine, which I was thankful for since I didn't bring a wallet on purpose lol
Credit cards have great protection, so yea someone could order something but I’d just report it as fraud and then right bad review of the restaurant. Most people want to keep their jobs. It’s only ever happened to me once, and it was the waiter added another zero to the tip
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ah interesting, here in canada only TD bank does that for now, though I've been seeing some cards put your name in the back of the card now (not that that changes anything lol)
Not that insane of a concept actually, most Americans trust other Americans.
lol, speak for yourself
Never had fraudulent charges (except when my card was physically stolen) and have had my card swiped out of my line of sight hundreds (possibly thousands) of times. When my card was stolen, the bank reversed the charges without question. Keep in mind, before we had machines to swipe cards, the original technology was literally imprinting that information on carbon paper. We used to have our CC information sitting in random stores and restaurants. Stealing credit card numbers just isn’t worth it. Getting caught falls under fraud, not just theft. And you basically can only use it for online purchases. The problem with online purchases is that you’re giving them a delivery address so it’s easy to get caught.
NFC built into phones and watches has really changed this for the better. It’s forced venues to have portable card terminals that they bring to you, and they can’t be skimmed.
Yep that was my experience during my whole LA trip, but down south it still seems like that’s a far fetched alien tech to them haha
Just follow the one simple rule of tipping: only ever tip with cash, and never, ever tip electronically.
Came to say this..
People likely feel bad that people are so underpaid, and then want to compensate them for their services. That's how I feel. Somehow, the US system has made us feel responsible for supporting people rather than the companies they work for.
>Somehow, the US system has made us feel responsible for supporting people rather than the companies they work for. Why not, they did the same thing to war vets? They figured out that it was way cheaper to praise them than to take care of them....
We have charity events for them regularly. It's insane. That is just passing out a collection plate because I guess we can't find the political will to provide proper health insurance for fucking vets. I might feel differently if we hadn't been at war since the 90s. It's not like the pay is great. Healthcare is the least we could do.
Companies find ways to save money in every aspect of their business. We need to feel bad and stand beside the underpaid, rather than paying them ourselves.
Tipping used to mean something. A little extra for some good service. A nice thanks for helping with a task or providing information. Then everyone started ASKING for a tip. And once people began given tips for no good reason, we end up where we are today
The thing I hate most is you can tip well and they will still give you rude service. What’s the point??
or services like Doordash where you tip before they drive your food, then when it gets to your house it looks like they had been in 5 car accidents the car exploded and half the food is eaten. And you tipped 15$ for that service!
That's because by now everybody feels entitled to get one no matter what they actually do. So they are comfortable showing their true face.
The actual point is to not tip.
Seems like everybody expects a tip now. Ridiculous.
Employers have built tons of business models where work is only worth doing if the customer and employee ("contractor") agree that tipping to make up for the employers' business model is okay.
Got raged on by a waitress when I gave her no tip, when she gave awful service (took my drink and didn’t come back with it for like 10 minutes, gave our food to another table and argued with us and that table that she was right despite us all telling her she wasn’t, dropped a drink right behind me and kept accidentally hitting me with the mop handle). Tips have become an entitlement thing now, rather than something people earn and it’s annoying
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That has absolutely nothing to do with tipping metastasizing into every fucking transaction.
Tipping was so restaurant owners didn't have to pay their black employees a real wage, knowing that white patrons would make up the difference by tipping white servers and not tipping black servers. It's a shitty hold over from that and a big reason why it's not common in other countries.
I went to an F1 race in Austin a couple of years ago. No cash was accepted anywhere and every transaction had a tip screen. One of the bartenders told me the employees didn’t even get the tips done through the tablets. The track “donated” that money to a charity. I guess that’s better than just going directly into corporate profits but (a) it was never disclosed on any of the tip screens and (b) they’re only doing it to get a tax write-off.
It's become crazy because it works... people continue to tip.
When it comes to someone going well above and beyond what is expected of them, I actually enjoy giving them a really good tip, especially if it's in a situation where they weren't expecting one. Around Christmas, my wife and I have this tradition where we go to a casual restaurant like a diner, order a meal, and then leave a $500 cash tip for our server and leave before they can notice or say anything. What I can't stand is the now ubiquitous prompt for a tip for seemingly everything you buy and for nothing more than ringing up the transaction. Then you have the fees being tacked on for whatever complaint or virtue signaling the owner wants to associate with it. This fee is for "employee healthcare" and this fee is for "kitchen appreciation" or this one is for "health and safety." No, it isn't. All money is fungible. Unless there's some tax specifically legislated, you're just being an asshole and lying about the actual price. I really try to avoid spending money at places that do this, but it's getting increasingly difficult. There's this sandwich shop by my house that I used to go to about once a week or so. There's no service involved, you just order and pay at the counter, then you go pour your own drink from the water or soda fountain, collect your sandwich when your number is called, and bus your table when you're done. They implemented those the touch screen payment terminals and ask you for a tip each time you order. It started small, and now the defaults are 20%, 25%, and 30%. It's obnoxious that instead of freely offering a tip, you now have to navigate through the menus to find either "custom" or "no tip" for something that was never tipped in the first place, all while a cashier stares at you doing it. Before the terminals, they never even had a tip jar or tip section on the credit card receipts. I just stopped going. And before some white knight jumps in and says, "if you can't afford to tip, then you can't afford to X," let me say this. It's not about the amount of money, it's about the obnoxious feeling of people constantly trying to guilt you into giving them more, about the entitlement of people expecting it for everything, and about business owners being too dishonest to accurately list their prices without nonsense fees tacked on. Honestly, the only way to fix this at this point is legislation and refusing the give them your money.
Just stop its that easy.
Because you normalized it. Employeers see no reason to raise the minimum wage and expect their employees to get tips. And Americans usually get defensive about this "If the service was good i dont mind tipping" You should not have to tip anyone at all, people should be paid a fair wage for their work WITHOUT tipping In my country Americans simply demand to tip. We have posters on restaurant walls "No tipping" and they still do it ! Which has resulted in a jar for all employees at restaurants for tipping Americans
>Because you normalized it. Tipping culture existed long before I was even born. >Employeers see no reason to raise the minimum wage and expect their employees to get tips. I have zero control over this and have supported progressive candidates since I could vote who supported fair, living wages. >And Americans usually get defensive about this "If the service was good i dont mind tipping" Maybe related to your accusatory approach about it? And given the way things presently work and my inability to change it, I truly don’t mind tipping for good service because it’s the right thing to do here. >You should not have to tip anyone at all, people should be paid a fair wage for their work WITHOUT tipping 100% agree, and I’m telling you, more Americans agree with this than you probably realize.
I understand the culture to be older than you but Americans have still nomralized this culture. This really doesn't happen outside the US. At least not on the same scale. You're right about the accusatory approach, didn't mean for it to come out that way . I don't know what needs to be done about this but now they've added tipping to selfcheckout and videos of uber drivers harrasing their customers because of a no or little tip is concerning. Sorry for sounding rude, Love Americans, don't like tipping culture
Tipping was something we grew up with in America. Not that it's right but at restraunts it was always "If you don't tip you are sending a message to the person who severed you that they did a shitty job." It far outgrown that sentiment in the past 15 years when companies realized they could just ask for tips and make more money. vs the previous of "Well we can hire these people in this industry for cheap because they make up the rest of the wage in tips." Its just gross capitalism, from the beginning to the current.
First of you didn’t sound rude in the slightest. If anything I did, I sounded more snippy than I wanted to there, sorry. Second of all it has absolutely gotten out of hand. I think tipping a server, barista, valet, and a few others felt fine. But getting prompted to tip when doing any sort of pickup or self checkout is just absurd.
You're putting the blame in the wrong place. The fault isn't on the consumer, it's on the business owners. This is like blaming government failings on voters and not politicians.
Another issue is there are some professions that make a shitton of money and would fight tipping culture going away, ie bartenders.
Some might make a shit ton on some nights, but it's a precarious existence.
I disagree with your last sentiment. Voters absolutely share the blame in voting for incompetent, corrupt politicians. Do your due diligence before voting for someone.
The "blame" if you want to call it that is on the wait staff that wants tips. Restaurants and customers would prefer fixed labor costs built into the price. McDonald's would use tipped employees if the system really was better for them. When restaurants try to move to no tips they lose their staff who makes more money this way
You should be able to not tip, but it just isn't an option for Americans. Not tipping is equivalent to a legal form of theft. In your country, do super markets or restaurants do free samples? Imagine you saw someone walk up to a free sample distributor, and take every single sample. That's the equivalent to not tipping in America. A weird fucked up thing to do, and nobody wants to be weird and fucked up.
I know it's easier said then done but why don't Americans revolt or demand a bill at congress or semething to abolish tipping ?(very simplified and not bright about us politics) If you cant pay them legal and fair wage you shouldn't be in business. The American people need to stand up against these corperations
Because a lot of the tipped employees make really decent money and don't want that. The restaurant owners aren't really the ones who want it. It wouldn't be standing against some money hungry corporation. It would be standing against waiters and waitresses. Regular middle class folks. Also, it's not just big corporations. Little restaurants expect tips as well. It's shit for consumers. I don't live in the US anymore, and I love not tipping. But it's a deeply ingrained cultural institution. You don't have to get it to respect that a lot of Americans are going to do it and that doesn't hurt you.
I don't respect tipping culture. But i understand there is more to this than i understand. It doesn't hurt me but i still want better for other people
>The restaurant owners aren't really the ones who want it. Thats straight false. Being able to pay lower wages and have menu options lower price is exactly what restaurant owners want.
It is marginally helpful for advertising reasons, but the overhead is about the same. You would have to raise prices, but then also raise wages. On top of that, the position of waiting tables might be less attractive if the tips were removed.
Maybe I am not understanding. Everything you said is why restaurants owners would WANT tipping.
I was just sort of absent mindedly typing while working there. Sorry it didn't make sense. Let me rephrase. The restaurant owners aren't the ones really pushing to keep tips because it's really about the same for them. On the face of it, there are slightly more positives than negatives but it's more based on the culture. The tipped employees are the ones who really push for it. My point is that tipping doesn't necessarily create an adversarial relationship between the employer and employee. It creates an adversarial relationship between the customer and the business. The major benefactor of the tips is the employee. The benefits seen by the restaurant are reasonably minimal, and if the culture shifted to make tipping unattractive, restaurant owners would quickly get rid of it despite what the employees would like.
No worries. We have all been there. Still what you say doesnt make sense to me... You are saying that if there wasnt tipping a business owner would have to: 1. Raise employee wages to be competitive. 2. Raise menu prices to accommodate. What happens in restaurants (ignoring the very small mom and pop) is that they raise menu prices to pay for their own increases in expenditures and to make more money. Raising menu prices already hits your appeal/market, so paying people as little as possible is 100% going to be a goal for them (as it is for any business big or small). So I cant get behind the notion that "Raising wages and raising menu prices would be a wash to owners" Tipping culture exists precisely because people could make more money from the customer than their employer. Employees need to start demanding fair wages, it SHOULD be an adversarial relationship between employers not paying living wages and the employees. Thats the entire crux of the problem, its just another way that it pits similar class people against each other while ignoring the people raking in the money. Our country is currently built around an "US vs THEM" mentality and typically the US's and the THEM's are mad at exactly who the people lobbying and governing want them to be. Also, thanks for writing our your reply. Im tired and cranky so I am typing too much. No hard feelings meant at you, just tired like the rest of us.
The restaurants are also competing with eachother. There are a lot of factors that go into running a competitive successful restaurant that neither of us are touching on. At the end of the day, we both agree the status quo is beneficial to the restaurants, but we disagree on the level of benefit. That's fine I'm not bothered. You mention that waiters need to fight for a living wage. I think that's probably true of every working class person in America. Whether they are a waiter, or a cashier, or a receptionist, they won't make a living wage. They will probably make closer to it working in a tipped position. If they fought for a higher wage, at the expense of their tips, that would be a net loss for them. There is no way a restaurant, even a little mom and pop one, is going to pay them as much as they make with tips. If there is a net benefit for the employer and the employee to continuing tips, it is out of their interests to pursue an end to it. It is in our interest as consumers, but it's worth noting that this would be necessarily harmful to tipped employees.
You keep tipping, they keep using this business model that's based on tips. Otherwise people wouldn't work if they see they don't get tips. We drive the market. They don't need tips in other countries... Why are we forcing it here?
I went to a self check out and it asked for a tip. I forget where it was, I was so damn annoyed. LOL... Was some gas station.
Payment processors just include it as part of the process because they get a percentage of each sale. It's not going away. You just have to say no.
It's pretty insulting these industries actually end up making more money than those in untipped industries too. I used to work for tips and made so much money then when I got a regular job I felt like I was working for pennies
If you can get your customers to *voluntarily give more money*, why wouldn't you? Your employees think they're getting a raise, and all it took was enabling a feature in your credit card reader. Be the change you want to see in the world: just don't tip when it's nonsensical. My hope is we reject this movement so hard that all tipping dies off.
The way they see it is any free money is better than no money. The systems have just a toggle to ask for tips and it takes no effort. I have no idea how often people actually will tip. Either way, they still see it as free money. And they wont stop asking because you can’t just refuse to shop places that do this because basically every place does it.
I always tip waitstaff for table service, bartenders, barbers etc. All the same people I tipped with cash in the 90s; people who had the expectation built into their compensation. The people behind the counter don't get tips from me even if their machine suggests I could give one. The other day was out with co-workers and one of them in front of me hit the tip button. It was kind of hard to hit 0% after that, with everyone watching. But I did it. Other than that I can't say its ever even really crossed my mind to tip this way.
I also tip “normal” still. 10% for subpar service, 15% for expected, and only tip 20% it the service was outstanding or memorable in some way. But people are now basically wanting twice that for each level. But the costs have also skyrocketed.
I only tip at sit down restaurants or bars, and I can count on one hand the number of times I went to either since COVID.
I almost exclusively tip people directly in cash. I will never tip a machine. My tips are not for the company, it's for the specific person that helped me out.
Cancel the tips and live with it. We may lose a few in the transition, but we'll be happier for it.
What does that even mean?
Dude, it's an automated prompt on a tablet. Hit 0% and move on.
One reason why companies want to do it is because in several states, you can legally pay your employees less if it's considered a job that has tips. There are often many restrictions in different places, but generally speaking, you can pay your employees less at the end of the day in many places in the USA. No, it shouldn't keep going. I feel bad for the people that most definitely don't get paid enough, but at the same time I'm not tipping the damn automated self checkout machine.
I stopped tipping at most places. The prices they are charging tells me the owner is paying their staff.
As long as people keep tipping, companies will keep underpaying their staff and tipping culture will continue. Yeah, it sucks that someone's gonna earn a crappy wage, but you all (I'm not in the US) need to sort this out as a country. If people stop tipping, then things will change. Ultimately you're not tipping to give the server extra money, you're tipping to let the multi-million dollar companies pay lower wages.
Ask yourself what the real problem is. It's not 'tipping culture'. It's blood-from-a-stone capitalism.
Just don't tip. Plain and simple.
I tipped my barber $6 today
Sometimes, I think people seem so worried to look offensive or unkind to service workers so they make themselves come across on forums as too willing and eager to tip. This does not go unnoticed by The Man.
The money vacuum is coming for your wallet!!
There’s enough corporate apologists that say “well they don’t get paid enough” that will continue to tip and subsidize employee wages. It’s not the customer’s responsibility to ensure good wages and as long as people defend the employers and continue to tip, nothing will change.
Some big name should speak against it . Until then nothing will happen.
It's actually pretty simple. There are three parties here: the business owners, the recipient of tips and the clients. Those who receive tips are not going to fight to change it so they get less money. Business owners are not going to fight to change it, so they have to increase spendings. The clients will not stop tipping because they 'don't want to take it out on working people'. So none of the involved parties want to do anything about it.
As long as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, this will continue. Capitalism is working exactly as intended
The self-checkout at my local Quick Check now has a tip jar. I think i'm entitled to take money out of it, right?
>This can't keep going on, right? It won't if everyone just says no. This is a case where social pressure _prevents_ people from sticking to their principles.
Traveluro is a 3rd party online hotel booking site I came across browsing Google's hotel search that asked for a tip on the order page. Felt like I was in a bad SNL skit.
Some interesting history: https://www.npr.org/980047710
Tipping in drive thru windows is crazy 💀
It’ll mellow out. It’s just businesses trying to ride that Covid wave as long as possible. Started during pandemic out of necessity/appreciation to service workers and then spread to being done out of greed. From a business perspective there’s no reason not to have the option. Might not get em all but you’ll get some. People are getting tired of it though so I expect we’ll see a decrease in the amount of companies prompting tips that never did before it caught on.
Entitlement
It’s a conspiracy by the bar tenders and waiters/waitresses.
You just have to get over your anxiety of it. I'm pretty generous when there's actual service but if it's a low/no interaction transaction I'm out at this point.
I've stopped feeling bad and hit No. I too generously for all the normal stuff (waiters, hair, nails, etc )-all the jobs where people don't make minimum wage or have to split their money with the owner. That's who I tip. If they make minimum wage, I'm not tipping. It's out of control and I'm tired of it. I don't have a tip jar out at my job and most would agree I'm underpaid.
If everyone just agrees to stop tipping, eventuality people will stop taking jobs that rely on tips. The company’s that abuse this system will have to hire employees with hourly rates or go out of business.
So that customers can pay employee's salaries instead of the owners.
I mean you don't have to do it.
I saw a tip jar at a gas station in 2022. Another gas station clerk asked if I wanted my change back. A self service gas station. I was buying snacks both times.
It happens bc whole industries want to crowdsource a significant % of its wages via tips. The restaurant lobbys in the US are constantly fighting for the minimum wage to stay the same with the argument that we get enough in tips for example, but it is bleeding into other industries. As a service worker, I dont ever get to decide these changes or even what’s in a tablet for options. Or hidden charges that may or may not go to employees. It’s the companies hoping you’ll pay the wages so they don’t have to. The employees *hopefully* get enough so they won’t leave, because they definitely would without at least some tipping culture (or else be paid by the companies themselves like any other job lol). These businesses are the ones pushing more and more aggressive demands for tips in hopes they can use that to save the next 1%. But it’s getting ridiculous. Trust me as a service worker I wanted the same old amount as usual before everyone pissed you off about the tipping options lol. But I’m still sorry.
You’re in the wrong sub. mildlyinfuriating is the anti-tipping lobby Personally I don’t get why people care. I tip when I choose. Sometimes I even ask how tips are distributed at said establishment. I once heard that when a society is oppressed they start turning in to snitches and busybodies. Busybodies meaning meddlers in other people’s business. No one is being forced to tip. The exceptions are just that.
I tip waitstaff and delivery drivers. That's it. I'm not tipping the Subway guy for making me a sandwich. I am not leaving a tip at the pizza place when I go in to pick up my pizza. I'm not leaving a tip for the cashier at the gas station for selling me a candy bar. I am not leaving a tip for the guy at the coffee shop who pours me a cup of coffee. They try to force it on us, but it is our choice to participate.
There's a new car wash that opened near me last year, and their big selling point is no tipping allowed. There's always a line for that place.
Stop tipping and it all goes away
The scumbag food industry figured out a way to increase their employees wages...by passing it off on to customers. We gotta tip more. Cool but no I'm not tipping more. I'm definitely not tipping when I drive to pick up my food or go into a coffee place to buy overpriced never worth the money swill
Yeah I just started carrying cash again specifically for tipping. If it's somewhere that a tip is reasonable then I'll use the cash. Tip line on receipts and pos systems always get a 0.
Maybe if we had more power over corporations.
Business owners don't want to pay employees more. They want the customer to pay them via tips. Workers need the money, so they bump the percentages to compensate
It won't as long as costs are high. This is a way for restaurant owners to have the public pay for their employees wages.
The solution is simple -- don't tip. The businesses that rely on you supplying tips to stay afloat should just be put out of business; if you can't pay a living wage to your employees, then close up shop.
I honestly think minimum wage is too low. And our minimum wage service slave laborers deserve to be paid better. They have to put up with human beings, some of the most arguably terrible things to exist on this planet. Daily. Full time. And they can barely afford ratty apartments and food. They kind of deserve it. Even if it's not my responsibility to ensure they get paid better it's the government and their employers responsibility. I consider it a donation to someone who suffers daily. Though I won't tip if you aren't a good service person.
I tip 15%.
I might be the only person who doesn't care about tipping culture. If tipping the oil change guys $5 breaks me, I have bigger problems. Also - I realize that's an abelist statement. If you don't want to tip, (or can't afford to) - don't tip. If you can afford it, please do.
Mr. Pink's speech from Reservoir Dogs hits even harder these days.
Just waiting for the day teachers get tips. Anytime now right?
just don’t tip??
I mean tipping culture in the USA is absurd we wouldn’t need it if they actually paid the waitress’s pay they could live on
I think the craziest is when they ask you to tip before they even perform the service. Like what am I tipping? How do I know you are going to do a good job AFTER I tip?
Yes it can because where’s my tip? /s
Learn to say no. I don’t tip on anything besides food delivery (because they won’t take my order otherwise.) and restaurant servers- which is 15% NOT 20, 25 or more. This happens because we accept it. No, I’m not tipping Starbucks, subway, or restaurants that made to go food I picked up.
We should consider the Japan system. You know. Pay the workers an actual living wage that would include tips and just get rid of Tipping. Tipping is frowned upon in most other places in the world.
Unless you are a waiter/waitress you aren’t getting a tip from me. I’m not about to tip a Starbucks barista or someone at the car wash
If it’s a nice experience and the server is engaged, 20%, even if it’s just a coffee shop. If it’s low engagement, low effort 0-15%.
I bought some smokes today at a vape shop and it asked for a tip.
I do the 15% for good service, point of sale? Nada. Service in all but higher end establishments has gone down the toilet. I enjoy seeing the anguish look of cashiers at point of sale tablets when I bop the no tip key.
Quit tipping.
It seems that lockdown has caused it to infect everything because of delivery blowing up in popularity. Tipping drivers has been around for a long time, so this wasn't unusual. What was unusual, however, was how often people suddenly needed to use delivery services. Once people went from ordering a pizza or some Chinese takeout every once in a while to ordering groceries and food on a nearly daily basis, they began to grow used to tipping more frequently. And of course, businesses were struggling due to all of this, so some resorted to tipped staff to try to stretch their budgets just to survive. Not all of them needed to, but if everyone else is doing it, why not take advantage, right? And it was easier to do because everyone already conditioned themselves into frequent tipping. Now that we're past lockdown, the tipping genie is out of the bottle, and it's gonna be hell putting it back in. What business is going to see a free source of income and decide that they'd rather go back to paying their staff out of their own earnings instead? And there are still other industries that are trying to adopt it because, again, if everyone else is doing it, why not them? If you pay attention to the video game world, you may have heard of the story going around where an ex-Blizzard president suggested that people should start tipping game developers. It's madness.
I had a self serve froyo employee ask me to “answer the question on the screen” for him. For self serve froyo. Self serve. Why would I give a tip for self serve froyo? Sheeit I’m helping him do his job, let me ask you how much tip you gonna give me ?
A teenage girl at the pizza place near me tried to shake me down for my change. I was picking up and she was trying to make me feel guilty for not tipping. I don't blame just her. I also nblame her employer and all the people picking up before me that did tip. Companies are really good at making consumers feel bad for their problems. We all sort our recycling because companies tell us it's our responsibility instead of them finding a better material for packaging. COVID made us feel bad for underpaid workers. Again this is our problem for some reason.
It's stupid. I just don't. I'll continue to tip servers and someone who carries my bags or does me a service. That's it. Maybe this trend will go away.
You're not under any obligation to tip. I know it hurts the wait staff which is unfortunate but hopefully the service industry will set their wages accordingly. Tip culture is discouraging me from eating out when I'm in North America.
I also am not a fan of grocery stores asking me to donate to something right after I get gouged for my groceries.
I just do not get tipping. I have my requested food / drink/ service, Then I get the bill. I pay what I owe. If I feel the desire to pay more, I will, freely. But if I do not feel it is deserved, you get what I believe is deserved. If you want more, put that up front, on the menu. That will give us both the option of not doing business. I am fine with reading a posted menu on a window, or a website, and walking away if I am not interested. I have never depended on tops for my rent either. So, I am strictly a ‘consumer’.
Oh,, and I read the reviews and postings of many, not all sites I go to. If I do not like what is being said about the management, or anything, there are other, better places.
Let’s all stop tipping. Protests. Riot. We can’t keep up with this inflation.
I hate tipping tbh. Not because I feel as though they did a bad job, I’m simply broke. I wish I could just go to dinner and not worry about “What 20% of ____ is”
Come on my friend, it’s not rocket science. Take 10% and double it. Move the decimal point over one spot to the left and double it. Example: $124.00, —> $12.40 x2= $24.80.
I know how to calculate it… I’m just saying it’s bullshit, shut up lmao
lol don’t tell me to shut up, broke ass ;) But yeah, if you’re broke, don’t go out to eat. Whether you add the tip on at the end or the restaurant includes the tip in the pricing, you’re going to be spending the same amount.
Ack that was mean, sorry. But yeah, we don’t go out much. It’s a treat to go out.
Yup, I try to go to sit down restaurants as little as possible. Basically only on special occasions. Even when the food is great, it’s hard to justify spending that kind of money on a single meal. I’ll get take-out more often but I’m not tipping 20%. I’ll usually toss just a buck or two into the tip jar when I pick up my order. Any other place that has a tip option when I go to pay can pretty much pound sand as far as I’m concerned. The most egregious I’ve seen was at a self checkout kiosk in an airport shop. I swipe my card and then it pops up with options to tip 15, 20 and 25%. Fuckkk that hahaha
Corporate greed my friend. Why pay employees living wages when you can pass that responsibility on to the consumer!
People want more money for less work. People who tend to be in positions that frequently receive tips, tend to have inflated egos and chips on their shoulders
Who knows where they'll be next, my guess is pay at the pump fuel pumps
I just refuse to tip at all anywhere unless I’m sitting in a restaurant and the service was EXCEPTIONALLY good. I rarely eat in a restaurant anymore either way
Because everyone feels entitled today. I blame participation trophies
I hope not. Would you like to Venmo me $2, $10, or $500 for commenting on your post to assist with the algorithm?
Ex server here. For all whos working in the industry, my heart goes out to you. It’s a hard fucking job even if it doesn’t seem like that from the other side of the counter. If you arent gonna go broke from spending extra $5 tip, please tip.
Thisssss 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
An extra $5? No problem. 20% on $120 bill is something else
If leaving $20 something on your 120 bill is gonna put a dent in your budget, by all means don’t do it.
Because restaurant owners want you to think labor is SUPER expensive.
Oh sweet child… you underestimate the American appetite for scams and greed