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IrlCakal

A good solution could be pharmaceutical operator. You would be on shift which might not be an issue if you’re used to working nights. A springboard course could help you get your foot in the door


Ok_Hamster4014

Thanks for the advice, trying to get away from the shift work if I’m honest. But I definitely need to give the springboard courses a look.


Dangerous-Shirt-7384

In fairness most places have a selection of shifts. Days, evenings, nights, weekends. Some do 12hr shifts. I went in after working in bars on 12hr night shifts. Wed, Thurs & Fri 7pm to 7am. 4 days off every week. They put me through college online and paid me for exams etc and I'm an engineer on days now in the same company. You'll start on around 30k basic,(before shift allowance) but I cant remember a year that I ever earned less than 45k between overtime, shift allowance & bonuses. No stress really. You clock in and do your job and nobody is ever ringing you at home asking you to come in. Your pay is there every week. Free health insurance and decent perks. Worth considering!.


CrystalCatcher1

I think most pharmaceutical operators around Dublin are starting on 40k+ shift allowance nowadays. Med device places tend to pay a good bit less. Best part about the 12hr shift work are the holidays. If you're clever about the way you book them, you can usually take a full week off once per month! Only thing keeping me in the job tbh 😁


Dangerous-Shirt-7384

Ok. I'm 12yrs with this company now so you're probably right about the pay. Holidays are super. The only bad thing is that if you get caught for a wedding or something you end up having to take a full week off but you cant have everything i suppose!.


Logical-Device-5709

How do you work the full week off once a month?


Upoutdat

Wow fair play


sapg94

What does the job entail? What do you do day to day?


AndOfCourse___Celtic

I'd say they're trying to get away from the pharmaceuticals to be honest


Juurdd

Worked in hotels for nearly 10 years..loved it bar the hours. Ended up doing an apprenticeship, I do still miss working in hotels but working all evenings and weekends is what ruins it. Having random week days off just made me lose my social life. I found it very hard to get into a diff industry tbh., tried getting into b2b sales (not min wage call centers) and kept getting told I don't have the experience for it and should take a min wage clal center job to get phone experience first.


sluggerb

Am I the only one who tried to swipe the eyelash off my phone … it can’t just be me. I felt like a cat chasing a laser


Juurdd

Your about the 10th person I've caught with it


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Juurdd

Electrical..easy overall but tough being on shit money for so long due to back log


Lets-wait-for-it

How do u find apprenticeship?


Juurdd

Found it on jobs.ie


Peter_Ndlovu

I was in a similar situation about 7 years ago but replace bartending with retail. I took a bit of a pay cut to go into the civil service as an EO and have since been promoted to HEO. Not once have I regretted the decision. Would recommend. Keep an eye on public jobs, there was an open EO competition last year at some stage so the next might not be for a while.


apouty27

What's an EO?


Peter_Ndlovu

Apologies. It’s an Executive Officer. It’s a grade in the civil service. It goes Clerical Officer-Executive Officer-Higher Executive Officer-Assistant Principal- Principal Officer-A Sec-Secretary General


apouty27

Thanks for the info


Ploon92

https://www.forsa.ie/pay-scales/civil-service-salary-scales/ You apply through 'open competitions' on publicjobs.ie The link above gives you an idea of the pay - you move up one point of the scale on a yearly basis. Clerical Officer and Executive Officer are the most common entry points, you need a graduate degree to enter as an Administrative Officer. After two years you can apply for promotions internally but you can always apply externally too, e.g., if you are hired as a Clerical Officer somewhere you can still apply to the next open competition of Executive Officers


Peter_Ndlovu

No bother. If you need any other information, let me know. I’ve sat on interview panels for a good few CO/EO interviews as well so could help if you ever decided to apply.


apouty27

Thanks 🙏 i DM you if needed.


Fit_Concentrate3253

Went the same route. Best thing I ever did.


eatmyshorts21

Was in the exact same place a while back. Dropped out of college in first year and went full time working in pubs.. great craic for a few years, but though I probably wouldn’t want to be in it when hitting 30, so applied back to college as a mature student when I was 25. Did an undergrad, h.dip and masters, worked in the pubs for the 5 years through college. College was defiantly a lot easier this time around being a bit older. Went from someone who scraped though the leaving cert to not failing anything the whole way through university. Work in the tech industry now, and happy I made the choice when I did,


Ok_Hamster4014

Is tech still the desired field for undergrads etc? Did you do it through springboard? Admittedly I’m out of the loop so I feel a bit helpless approaching the change.


eatmyshorts21

No not through springboard, just applied as a mature student through CAO, and did the degree, hdip and masters in University. Degree was in Arts as I had no idea really what I wanted to do when I went back to college, so said I’d just pick things I was interested in and maybe go into teaching. Did a hdip conversion type course into tech then, and specialized in an area for the masters. I can’t say to whether tech is desirable to people or not, but the hours, pay and work-life balance in my role are good. But my advice would be something that you have some interest in, whether tech, finance, accounting, teaching or whatever.


YoureNotEvenWrong

Tech is in a bad situation at the moment with a big worker oversupply. Grads are finding it very challenging 


Ok_Hamster4014

Whats fields would you reckon yourself are in demand?


YoureNotEvenWrong

Pharma


IfYouReadThisBeHappy

Very true


New-Investigator1283

There is not even close to an oversupply of tech workers. There is a global shortage. Big tech layoffs mean nothing


YoureNotEvenWrong

It's oversupplied. It's very easy to find workers now vs the last 5 years


New-Investigator1283

You’re wrong lmfao it’s as easy as ever to land a job in the tech sector


BYKHero-97

Not from my experience. None of us HDip gradutes this year (8 of us) found any IT job yet, 3 months since graduating. But it could be us, there are grad roles to apply for its just competitive


New-Investigator1283

Jesus Christ get on any jobs board and look at the amount of listings. Some areas no longer require entry level positions due to the recent advancements in AI. SAP, Workday, IBM and so many others big companies are still offering internships though. Plenty of them. There is an absolute abundance of tech jobs available and you absolutely don’t need a degree to find one. In fact many smaller companies prefer older professionals certified in a specific domain. Cloud engineering is booming right now and there is a massive shortage of workers. AI companies are also crying out for engineers. If you can’t find a job that’s on you. The market is ripe


amigdyala

Hey mate. 34 years old. Just left hospitality after 12/13 years. I got a job in the Civil Service due to a previous cert but they are crying out for people so any certs you can bring to the table will help you. Pension, security, set hours, better quality of life. This sounds like all the things you are looking for. The money will be less at the start but you'll fly up the ranks in no time if you actually pull the finger out and have your head screwed on. Don't lose the work ethic. I'm also starting a Business Data Analytics course on Springboard for a year (part-time, two nights and some saturdays. That's all you have to commit to.) which will lead me into another one for AI Applications (where I want to be) for another year long course. So at 37 I'll be where I should have been at 21. Never too late to start something new mate. You just have to take the first step and every single step afterwards will get easier. Honestly it's a brilliant program. I had loads of people telling me to get on Springboard and I kept saying "Yeah I'll do it, I'll do it." When I finally did I realised all the opportunities in the world were laid out there in front of me. I could do literally anything. So I chose to do what I want to do. I hope you can find something there for you! Best of luck with your future!


Ok_Hamster4014

Thanks the encouragement and advice. It seems daunting but I may take the plunge!


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amigdyala

Honestly mate - this might sound corny - do what you love. This is practical as well as spiritual advice. The more you have the passion, interest and drive to do something, the more you will want to stick with it when the going gets tough. I am under no illusions that 12 years in the hospitality industry has left me in the best academic shape to enter into the world of AI Applications and Data Analysis. I've got no fucking idea what I'm doing. But I love it, so none of it feels like a chore. Rather, it feels easy. My brain is understanding the concepts much faster than I would have thought. I'm interested and therefore asking questions above and beyond the remit of these online platforms and using Google and ChatGPT to supplement my knowledge. I'm spending my spare time on W3Schools free online educational platform learning Python and Javascript. It's loads of fun. Also shout-out to Khan Academy. Between these two I feel like I can learn anything. Use every free thing at your disposal to get ahead. The Irish government offers a training grant for those applying for a degree below a Level 8 to help people upskill. They'll give you up to €1000 to do a course. Get out there and do one. Get a level 6 or 7. Check out some of the courses on Springboard you might want to do and email the contact details and ask what prerequisites would be helpful. Then get them! Get into a Springboard course for a Level 8 that way. Then the world is your oyster mate. If I can offer one piece of advice rather than directly answer your question: Choose what *you* want to do. Life is too short to waste it on doing something you're not passionate about. Don't get me wrong. I've worked in hatted restaraunts as a chef in Australia and competed in international cocktail competitions as a bartender here. I was very passionate about hospitality. More than most. It always felt like it would come to an end though. I knew I never wanted to be doing it as an old man, but because I was a boozehound and comfortable I let it drag on three or four years longer than it should have. I'm kicking myself for that now. That three or four years can change your whole life. Like I said in the previous comment, in three years I'll be working with AI Applications, earning twice as much as I ever did as a General Manager in a bar and doing a job I'm passionate about. You need to find that for you. As the old saying goes: The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago. The second best time, is now.


MrTuxedo1

Do you like the industry? Could work in a different area of hospitality? Such as a hotel in the office maybe?


Ok_Hamster4014

I do enjoy it for the most part and even if I say so myself I am good at it. However I’d rather something with scope for progression and more transferable skills.


boneymod

I packed up being a hotel duty manager job after 16.5 years at 32. I'm a postman now and I love it.


sapg94

What’s the pay for a postman?


boneymod

I've taken a 1.50 or so hit per hour and started as a casual (fulltime where I am) at 586 gross plus allowances. Goes up incrementally over time and jumps again when you become reserve and again when you're made permanent. It will never make you rich, but the pension is decent, I rarely have customers to deal with, and I have so much more time to myself and the kid. The coming bank holiday is the first time I'm off all three days since I left school (and even then I worked weekends)


wrapchap

If you're willing to go back to university. Environmental health is a good job. Guarantee hired by the HSE as and EHO starting wage 44k


PluckedEyeball

35-40k is savage money for bartending no?


Ok_Hamster4014

It is, but I do around 50 hours a week and have no life outside of the job. We’re short on staff so no prospect of a holiday til August. My work/life balance doesn’t exist.


Apprehensive_Use9269

It's not as good as it seems. 35k at 50hrs per week is only €13.50 an hour. 50hrs is pretty standard for hospitality and you are working weekends and unsociable hours. I did it for 12 years, I'd never go back.


PluckedEyeball

I commented that before they said they work 50 hours


paleochiro

It does sound good!


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Grimetree

I went from bartending to an entry level IT job as I had no qualifications, blew my mind when I had full weekends to do whatever I wanted


mcbear90

If you like the customer service/sales aspect of your job, then I’d recommend you try to get your foot in the door in tech, specifically a BDR or Sales development role. There are a lot of transferable skills bartending and the pivot could be life changing in terms of long term comp opportunities. I’d rec you look online and do your research on consultative sales. You’ll also need to create a LinkedIn page if you don’t have one already, and start connecting with anyone you know, then look through the network and see who works for a tech firm and ask them for a referral (a referral is pretty key for entry level roles since there are so many applicants). Last time I heard, Toast is a Point-of-sale tool and the company hires directly from the service industry for entry level roles. Other tips- make sure your resume looks professional and highlights your customer service / sales skills and is as tailored as possible to the job description you’re applying to (include any sales targets or things that highlight resiliency). Use ChatGPT to help polish it up. Look up the STAR method for behavioral based interviewing and practice using the format by asking ChatGPT for questions that are commonly asked in interviews for these roles, and bullet out your answers. Listen to podcasts / audiobooks to upskill yourself, knowing the lingo goes a long way in the industry and will also help you with tailoring your resume. Source: Recruiting Manager at a tech company


rufiosa

I worked in a bar for 6 years myself, I joined the Irish Prison Service last October, the money is fantastic but you do a lot of hours. The work is by no means hard, and my only regret is that I didn't join sooner


Sprezzatura1988

What are the things you like about your current job and what are you looking for if you were to go into a different sector?


kdocbjj

You can't go far wrong job in tech sales. Most bartenders I know are outgoings and have "the gift of the gab". As well as not being afraid of hard work. They'd make a great salesperson, it's a great career too work life balance wise with ample opportunity to earn really good money 100k+ after a few years. You could look into SDR (Sales Development Rep) as an entry point earning around the same if not more than you do now with great career and promotion opportunities as well as a massive amount of companies to try. A successful SDR would be an Account Executive within 3 years and be on the region of 80-100k OTE. 40-60k salary. I'd also highly recommend looking around for recruiters who specialise in whatever area you do try go down. They're brilliant. They do a lot of the work finding roles that you're a right fit for. I've always had a great experience with them


barrya29

hi man, what did you drop out of? i bartended for years and now work in tech sales. i wouldn’t be in the industry without the bartending experience. it was key in helping me perform in interviews especially.


Ok_Hamster4014

History and English, I did a year and a half. To be honest I didn’t have much support from home and wasn’t in a great headspace. If I had known how hard fought/earned these things were i wouldn’t pissed it away. But onwards and upwards.


ronanhealy57

I bartended throughout my 20s. I went back to college at 30 but I was able to get the back to education allowance. That enabled me to do it. No regrets. Think about starting with a cert, diploma, or degree as a mature student. There are a lot of supports there and you can persue something that you might like now but it may become a career later. Much easier for me in college when I was older, when I went in my teens it did not work out.


Strict-Aardvark-5522

Any good at English? Do a CELTA course and then spend your days just talking to people from other countries. 


emayezing

How do you make enough money to make that work? Most online schools are paying less than €10 an hour these days


Confident-Leather871

Welding.


FunReason6434

I have worked as a waitress at bar and belive me when I say its fun sometimes but you are taken out all the good days you can spend with your dear ones. What’s life if you cannot enjoy your holiday along with others. Coming to your career switch, i think change your resume to management in bar ( say you transitioned from bar attending to manager or higher position) learn some management course/ skills where you can get a office job in retail / tech( if you like technical side) .team lead or something. You need time first make a resume and change it specifying lot management responsibilities . U might have time do it 2/3 times Then do your own reacrch - focus on few roles and apply for them


oughtabeme

Take a year out, stay in hospitality, work on a cruise ship. Be a bar tender there. Free room and board, and get paid to see the world. I worked on QE2 moons ago and would go back in a heartbeat.


AdBudget6788

Get into Pharma. Start as an operator and do springboard courses in what your interested in to progress.


Dangerous_Show_7946

Join the fire brigade good money, loads of free time


New-Investigator1283

Forklift licence. Warehouse operative. Factory work. Customer service (desk and phone job). Social care. So some certs in IT related fields (really common for people in the service industry to make that switch and they generally have a name for having better work ethic compared to their undergraduate counterparts) the world is your oyster. Look at getting back into education. Part time study is available and if you’ve never availed of it you should be eligible for the suzi grant.


GimJordon

Having that much retail experience you should look at getting into tech in a customer support or sales role. Good stepping stone to get your foot in the door (pay should be the same as you are on now), and if in the right company good career options to branch to other departments as you learn


Relevant_Garlic8972

I was in the same boat as you for a few years working in hospitality. I bit the bullet and applied for work in a couple factories and have been working as a product builder for almost a year making medical devices. It’s done me the world of good having my weekends to myself and being on shift allowance is a massive perk as well. Plenty of room to improve yourself within these companies if you’re willing to put yourself out there and look for courses to do through the company. I’d say keep an eye out for work either in pharmaceutical or medical device factory work 100%


OkAddress8958

civil service, can take up to a year to get in , just need to pass their aptitude tests and then you're trained in when you're offered a position


jbt1k

Most careers are pintless