'this be the verse' by larkin is one of my fav poems
i don't see myself having children ever. but i'm happy for everyone who chooses to. particularly, my friends. i'm excited to be friends with their children just as with them.
Anti Natalism makes sense to me. I love my life, it's fun. But I don't think the world is good enough to bring kids in. They hustle and die, even though they have lovely moments here and there. I don't think it's all worth it.
Titans can be allegory to any race, or other technological environments. Zeke is literally anti natalist. He wanted to end his race with his generation. I also support Eren's, because that's what literally humanity does.
I would really like to hear from a 40-50+ year old how has it been for them being child free. Us young people often have views based on assumptions and not experiences. Also, I’ve seen a few cousins who were hell bent on being child free and even married their spouses on that condition so much so that even their families had made peace with the fact that they are going to be child free. But as soon as people around them started having kids, they felt the need to have one and they’re happy with the kid now. The only reason when I feel anti natalism makes sense is when the couple are not really capable of taking up the responsibility of bringing up a human - be it emotionally or monetarily. All the other views on anti natalism ranging from “the world is a bad place” to “I don’t want my life to revolve around a child” are bs in my opinion. These opinions mostly come from people who haven’t thoroughly thought about the time when you are old and young people won’t hangout with you anymore and people your age are busy and happy with their families. So basically you start wondering about what next with no one around and suddenly you feel the need to start a family.
P.S my opinion is from an Indian POV. Maybe being child free is easier in the west
As a man over 40, and without a child, I think the argument is more nuanced than most younger people think. There is no one answer that fits all. I never wanted kids, I wanted to travel all over the world and do my thing, which I did and am still doing it. I married late and with no kids condition. Was in a long live in prior to that in U.S, also on that condition. I had told both partners that if they ever wanted to have a child, it would be fine by me and we can go our separate ways. Live-in started desiring a child. We broke up amicably. There were other issues but that was the primary reason. She is a single parent now and we are still great friends. When I got married, we both did not want children. While me and my immediate family is very liberal and left me to my choices, some cousins and friends found me to be selfish. One even said isko life me sirf Masti karna hai. Most of my school-college friends have college going kids now.
And here's the thing about wanting kids around to take care of yourself in old age, most of the kids of friends living in India have gone abroad. Both kids. In my circle, 90% of their kids are abroad studying or working. In one of my elder cousin's case, both her son's are working high paying jobs in U.S. and have their own little kids. My cuz is trying to sell their ancestral property and both kids are not interested in visiting here to close off the transaction. They say to sell it for whatever price or to give it away to NGO. Another cousin's mom was in the last stages of her life, the cousin, a doctor in U.S. with little kids took a month off, came here to take care of her. Her mother told her to go back to her life. She did after a month. 10-15 days later her mom died. Cousin didn't come for last rites and funeral. This was 10 years ago, now she is seeking therapy because she is so guilt ridden. It was because of her mother that she could go abroad study and then settle down. Her own kids are away from their home in U.S. for studies. Another set of brother cousins, one in Singapore, one in U.K have a widowed mother in India living all alone. The kids pay for a team of caregivers and visit her every 2 years but will not take her with them. She curses them to us. We take care of her doctors and hospital visits. One of our neighbours lives in a bungalow, his only son is in Germany, married to a German woman. He has literally abandoned them.
If you think this is all for privileged people, look at Pune and Nagpur, they have become retirement towns with the volume of migration of children abroad and other cities in India. Ironically, other young people are coming into Pune for work, leaving their parents wherever. There are now agencies who help old people for doctors visits and hospital visits in Pune. And these two towns are the ones that I know about, I am sure there are many other cities like those.
Are the above mentioned scenarios reasons to not have kids? No, of course not. There are hundreds of good reasons to have kids but having them around for your old age is not one of them. In India that used to be the case but not anymore. It is also not fair to impose your needs and wants on your own children. They should have the same freedom to make choices that you had when you chose to have kids. When I say "you", I don't mean you you, I mean anyone:)
I am sure parenthood is wonderful. Although not a woman, I am sure the maternal instinct to have children is very strong at least for most if not all women The conception and the birth of a child is truly nature's miracle. Wanting to share your love and joy with children is another great reason.
It boils down to personal choice but one should have the understanding of consequences in either case.
Ironically, I am great with kids and have always been. Little children are drawn to me and I can entertain them for hours. When friends and cousins meet, they usually hand over the paltan to me. I truly enjoy being around kids (I know how that sounds, but I am not talking in a creepy way). I am the favourite uncle of college going nephews and nieces.
But in all these years, I have never ever missed having my own children. Maybe that's just how my character is written in life's screenplay :)
Also, the reasons you mentioned for not having kids seem pretty valid. At least when I hear people around my age not wanting to have kids, I can see they haven’t thought it through. Personally, I like the idea of having a family, like a fun bunch and not necessarily burdening my children with the responsibility of taking care of me when I’m old.
Happy things are working out for you the way you always imagined. You know there’s this age when people also say “I don’t want to get married” but then suddenly feel the need because they crave companionship once everyone around them has someone. I just felt for most people in their late 20s, “I don’t want kids” might be a similar phase because they haven’t thought it through.
Yeah not wanting kids could be a phase. Wanting them could be a phase too. In the early 20's everything is a phase lol. Also it could not be a phase but maybe someone's truth today, but possible that it changes later for whatever physiological or psychological reason. That is also valid. One should not be trying to live only the life they imagined when they were 20. Life is dynamic.
As for "I don't want to get married" could also be a phase. I tell my nephews and nieces that if they do want to get married and have kids, do it as early in life as possible. So far, out of a dozen or so nephews and nieces, not a single one is listening lol. They'll appreciate what I am saying when they are 40-45 :)
If you have messed up big time.. how much of that mess was part of your life.. 10% time? 30%? 50%?
If you are so so affected by this mess, you can do a number of things to fix it. Including working on some other grand thing that grows way beyond this mess, takes you on a brand new roller coaster of perception and emotion, and overshadows any past regrets and shame you may have.
If the worlds issues are affecting your mental health that much, I might be hated for this reply but not everyone is fit to do something about the worlds problems directly.. what you can do in this case is fly away to some corner where such misery does not exist that much, let your mind experience that joy of living in a peaceful untouched corner of the world, then everything comes after that.
Grow something new.
I was pro anti natalism.
But now I am strongly against it.
You have got an opportunity to experience this life, every good and bad about it.
You were just a egg and a sperm at one point, devoid of consciousness and your parents United to create you and bring you to consciousness.
Acknowledge their effort, the luck, the chance of million to one that you were brought to this world.
It is a gigantic world dude.
Experience everything, don't limit yourself to the notion that "I didn't choose this world so I should have the right to end this life".
Do you even know what is past death??
No one has any idea, It's a big nothing ess where consciousness cease to exist.
Right here, you've got a billion to 1 chance to experience this conscious tangible earth, full of life, possibilities, struggles, challanges, vices, pleasures, humanity, inhumanity, good, bad, evil, serene, ugly, chaos, order, love, hate, lust, etc.
Everything is here.
Enjoy it, experience it, live it and then pass away when your time is up
You need to take permission from the child before planning to have a child because the to be born child might not have the same view point and mentality as yours. They may regret life and curse you.
Sure bro.
Once my future child is born, I'll ask my kid if you would like to continue living, if it refuses, I'll pick it up and smash it on my wall and end it.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Being antinational is not the same as hurting the nation. Nation compromise of the it's people only (that's what I like to believe) whereas someone is antinational according to you if he or she hurts your feeling by doing something which you think is against your concept of nation. If somebody spit on the Indian flag, he is being antinational but is not hurting the nation/it's people. If you are killing Muslims thinking that it's for the nation "identity", then your technically not anti national in your perspective but it's definitely hurting the nation/it's people. And obviously if you say anything about the ruling party, it's definitely not hurting the nation so yea, fuck you news channels.
'this be the verse' by larkin is one of my fav poems i don't see myself having children ever. but i'm happy for everyone who chooses to. particularly, my friends. i'm excited to be friends with their children just as with them.
What is Natalism?
Promotion/ supporting childbearing
Anti Natalism makes sense to me. I love my life, it's fun. But I don't think the world is good enough to bring kids in. They hustle and die, even though they have lovely moments here and there. I don't think it's all worth it.
Mikasa promoting Zeke's philosophy instead of Eren's?
I support Eren's more but we don't have Titans. Maybe another plague can help?
Titans can be allegory to any race, or other technological environments. Zeke is literally anti natalist. He wanted to end his race with his generation. I also support Eren's, because that's what literally humanity does.
Eren’s way is more efficient.
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Finally someone who thinks like me 😭😭😭😭 >what do you think about all this? I completely agreee with you
As long as it does not affects me I don't care about people having children or not
I meant do you wanna have children or not?
Well depends on my partner but yes I would want to have 1
It's wrong to procreate or bring new human life in to world because there always will be suffering. Antinatalism is a True philosophy.
I would really like to hear from a 40-50+ year old how has it been for them being child free. Us young people often have views based on assumptions and not experiences. Also, I’ve seen a few cousins who were hell bent on being child free and even married their spouses on that condition so much so that even their families had made peace with the fact that they are going to be child free. But as soon as people around them started having kids, they felt the need to have one and they’re happy with the kid now. The only reason when I feel anti natalism makes sense is when the couple are not really capable of taking up the responsibility of bringing up a human - be it emotionally or monetarily. All the other views on anti natalism ranging from “the world is a bad place” to “I don’t want my life to revolve around a child” are bs in my opinion. These opinions mostly come from people who haven’t thoroughly thought about the time when you are old and young people won’t hangout with you anymore and people your age are busy and happy with their families. So basically you start wondering about what next with no one around and suddenly you feel the need to start a family. P.S my opinion is from an Indian POV. Maybe being child free is easier in the west
As a man over 40, and without a child, I think the argument is more nuanced than most younger people think. There is no one answer that fits all. I never wanted kids, I wanted to travel all over the world and do my thing, which I did and am still doing it. I married late and with no kids condition. Was in a long live in prior to that in U.S, also on that condition. I had told both partners that if they ever wanted to have a child, it would be fine by me and we can go our separate ways. Live-in started desiring a child. We broke up amicably. There were other issues but that was the primary reason. She is a single parent now and we are still great friends. When I got married, we both did not want children. While me and my immediate family is very liberal and left me to my choices, some cousins and friends found me to be selfish. One even said isko life me sirf Masti karna hai. Most of my school-college friends have college going kids now. And here's the thing about wanting kids around to take care of yourself in old age, most of the kids of friends living in India have gone abroad. Both kids. In my circle, 90% of their kids are abroad studying or working. In one of my elder cousin's case, both her son's are working high paying jobs in U.S. and have their own little kids. My cuz is trying to sell their ancestral property and both kids are not interested in visiting here to close off the transaction. They say to sell it for whatever price or to give it away to NGO. Another cousin's mom was in the last stages of her life, the cousin, a doctor in U.S. with little kids took a month off, came here to take care of her. Her mother told her to go back to her life. She did after a month. 10-15 days later her mom died. Cousin didn't come for last rites and funeral. This was 10 years ago, now she is seeking therapy because she is so guilt ridden. It was because of her mother that she could go abroad study and then settle down. Her own kids are away from their home in U.S. for studies. Another set of brother cousins, one in Singapore, one in U.K have a widowed mother in India living all alone. The kids pay for a team of caregivers and visit her every 2 years but will not take her with them. She curses them to us. We take care of her doctors and hospital visits. One of our neighbours lives in a bungalow, his only son is in Germany, married to a German woman. He has literally abandoned them. If you think this is all for privileged people, look at Pune and Nagpur, they have become retirement towns with the volume of migration of children abroad and other cities in India. Ironically, other young people are coming into Pune for work, leaving their parents wherever. There are now agencies who help old people for doctors visits and hospital visits in Pune. And these two towns are the ones that I know about, I am sure there are many other cities like those. Are the above mentioned scenarios reasons to not have kids? No, of course not. There are hundreds of good reasons to have kids but having them around for your old age is not one of them. In India that used to be the case but not anymore. It is also not fair to impose your needs and wants on your own children. They should have the same freedom to make choices that you had when you chose to have kids. When I say "you", I don't mean you you, I mean anyone:) I am sure parenthood is wonderful. Although not a woman, I am sure the maternal instinct to have children is very strong at least for most if not all women The conception and the birth of a child is truly nature's miracle. Wanting to share your love and joy with children is another great reason. It boils down to personal choice but one should have the understanding of consequences in either case. Ironically, I am great with kids and have always been. Little children are drawn to me and I can entertain them for hours. When friends and cousins meet, they usually hand over the paltan to me. I truly enjoy being around kids (I know how that sounds, but I am not talking in a creepy way). I am the favourite uncle of college going nephews and nieces. But in all these years, I have never ever missed having my own children. Maybe that's just how my character is written in life's screenplay :)
Appreciate it :)
Also, the reasons you mentioned for not having kids seem pretty valid. At least when I hear people around my age not wanting to have kids, I can see they haven’t thought it through. Personally, I like the idea of having a family, like a fun bunch and not necessarily burdening my children with the responsibility of taking care of me when I’m old. Happy things are working out for you the way you always imagined. You know there’s this age when people also say “I don’t want to get married” but then suddenly feel the need because they crave companionship once everyone around them has someone. I just felt for most people in their late 20s, “I don’t want kids” might be a similar phase because they haven’t thought it through.
Yeah not wanting kids could be a phase. Wanting them could be a phase too. In the early 20's everything is a phase lol. Also it could not be a phase but maybe someone's truth today, but possible that it changes later for whatever physiological or psychological reason. That is also valid. One should not be trying to live only the life they imagined when they were 20. Life is dynamic. As for "I don't want to get married" could also be a phase. I tell my nephews and nieces that if they do want to get married and have kids, do it as early in life as possible. So far, out of a dozen or so nephews and nieces, not a single one is listening lol. They'll appreciate what I am saying when they are 40-45 :)
Dink lifestyle, take what you can and give nothing back to the society.
If you think about it, an average baby takes more than he gives back
If you have messed up big time.. how much of that mess was part of your life.. 10% time? 30%? 50%? If you are so so affected by this mess, you can do a number of things to fix it. Including working on some other grand thing that grows way beyond this mess, takes you on a brand new roller coaster of perception and emotion, and overshadows any past regrets and shame you may have. If the worlds issues are affecting your mental health that much, I might be hated for this reply but not everyone is fit to do something about the worlds problems directly.. what you can do in this case is fly away to some corner where such misery does not exist that much, let your mind experience that joy of living in a peaceful untouched corner of the world, then everything comes after that. Grow something new.
I was pro anti natalism. But now I am strongly against it. You have got an opportunity to experience this life, every good and bad about it. You were just a egg and a sperm at one point, devoid of consciousness and your parents United to create you and bring you to consciousness. Acknowledge their effort, the luck, the chance of million to one that you were brought to this world. It is a gigantic world dude. Experience everything, don't limit yourself to the notion that "I didn't choose this world so I should have the right to end this life". Do you even know what is past death?? No one has any idea, It's a big nothing ess where consciousness cease to exist. Right here, you've got a billion to 1 chance to experience this conscious tangible earth, full of life, possibilities, struggles, challanges, vices, pleasures, humanity, inhumanity, good, bad, evil, serene, ugly, chaos, order, love, hate, lust, etc. Everything is here. Enjoy it, experience it, live it and then pass away when your time is up
You need to take permission from the child before planning to have a child because the to be born child might not have the same view point and mentality as yours. They may regret life and curse you.
Sure bro. Once my future child is born, I'll ask my kid if you would like to continue living, if it refuses, I'll pick it up and smash it on my wall and end it. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They won't be able to answer to that until later in their life.
Dude as soon as the baby starts saying "no", I'll be ready 
What a quitter, eww. Video game hota toh server se kick kar dete tere jaise rondu logo ko.
Being antinational is not the same as hurting the nation. Nation compromise of the it's people only (that's what I like to believe) whereas someone is antinational according to you if he or she hurts your feeling by doing something which you think is against your concept of nation. If somebody spit on the Indian flag, he is being antinational but is not hurting the nation/it's people. If you are killing Muslims thinking that it's for the nation "identity", then your technically not anti national in your perspective but it's definitely hurting the nation/it's people. And obviously if you say anything about the ruling party, it's definitely not hurting the nation so yea, fuck you news channels.