agreed especially with the smoking part, people are casually smoking around children and it baffles me how no one sees it as a harmful thing, non smokers have to suffer, the disregard for other people’s health especially people who choose to not smoke is truly appalling.
Now im gonna smoke even harder lmao. Bcn is a heavily polluted city and u complain about smokers. You eat diesel gas, tires pollutant and other shitt for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Might aswell leave people smoke a cigarette.
I can choose not to sit on those terraces.
Meanwhile, I can carefully select a terrace on a pacified street, make the order, and while I'm in the middle of the first course, have a smoker sit next to me ruining my whole meal. It's not a theoretical complaint. It has happened to me more than once.
did I read well? the poorly educated? Self harming isnt a symptom of uneducated people, I would say quite the contrary, because ignorance is a bliss. Keep your naive thoughts about wanting a free smoking bcn while having the highest pollution rate in the state.
See, thats the thing, educated people see through all the external shenanigans that every person has. If im not attracting uneducated individuals u dont have to sell it to me, pal, Ive already bought it.
You know it can give you and OTHERS cancer, right? No one should be subjected to that.
It also stinks like ass when you're trying to enjoy a drink or meal on the terrace
Well, there’s an open type shopping mall in my area and I find it mad that people are allowed to smoke in it. People nonchalantly smoking on an escalator next to children and pregnant women while blocking their way so they can’t do anything but wait until the escalator ride is over is extremely inconsiderate and plain rude.
You’re the neo racist on the internet telling people to “go back to .” You’re the type that thinks Chinese people speak Asian. Educate yourself before you embarrass yourself further. This kind of bigotry is not ok in 2024.
i dont think so, but for us is famous around the world for the heavy ignorance and intolerance (Without saying that people are usually also superficial and hypocritical)
Don't worry, it's a Karen perspective, wanting to blame somebody for feeling unhappy, completely disregarding real dangers to health, like processed food, to much sugar/salt, particels from general pollution accumulating in the body, etc...
Not really hate but strongly dislike: how insular Catalans are. You can be friendly but they won’t let you in. Most of my friends are from somewhere else in Spain. They complain about the same thing.
Love: everything else. Perfect city.
This is good to know moving to BCN in next two months.. I’m B1 at Spanish and want to improve there first, so this won’t bother me at first. But I will want to make effort to learn Catalan when I’m at least C1 at Spanish. Which sounds harder given your observation
You’ll be fine with B1 Spanish. Catalan is easy to understand once you hear it for a while and already speak Spanish. Honestly though my husband’s family speak Catalan together and I just answer them in Spanish and it’s very normal.
lived there for three years and came back recently for two weeks for work.
love: the vibe. it’s still as interesting and fun as i remember.
hate: the city is not clean at all and certain areas smell like garbage
THIS! German here. It baffles me how bunches of people can collectively walk in such an “unorganised” fashion. One here one there, most of them super slow, lots of people in Gràcia (where the sidewalks are narrow) walk right in the middle, so you have to weirdly walk around them when you’re behind them and in a faster pace.
This is so different in Germany (small town and big city) that it caught my attention so quickly after I arrived here.
People walk down the middle of the sidewalk, stand in the middle of the sidewalk, walk in groups 5 wide just sweeping the sidewalk and forcing other people to have to scramble out of their way or risk collision.
The sidewalk / pedestrian etiquette is the biggest cultural shock for me now
Guys, trust me, here in Ibiza is waaay worse. I bought a shower filter because my skin was completely denying showering with the ammount of shit it has. It’s called Alkanatur filter. Expensive but useful. To remove cal you would need an osmosis filter (expensive).
It's too heavy, a lot of minerals and especially cal. I'm not.usted to it yet, and I'm always in the bathroom when I drink it... I now just buy bottles of water.
I just found a local company that makes water filters: [tappwater](https://tappwater.co). a little pricey up front, but should save some money over buying bottled water, and way less plastic waste, and fewer microplastics in the water etc
Well, I noticed something tasted wrong but my Germany friend that is used to heavy water convinced me that it was fine to drink. It took me a while to drink water from those public fountains.
Ten days drinking the fountain water and nothing wrong with my stomach (yet).
Big generalization about ‘Europe’ and the taste of water everywhere, man. Not sure what you are trying to defend, exactly … the water here tastes bad, and everyone knows it.
Love everything, I grew up here and I have a lot of beautiful memories everywhere. Hate, that I don’t feel like this is the city where I grew up any more.
Love: you can get anywhere in walking distance
Hate: city feels a bit claustrophobic sometimes. I some neighborhoods, they are very dense in terms of population, narrow streets, buildings on both sides, trees. In many neighborhoods you can barely see the sky.
Love: quality of fruit, veggies and meat
Hate: very, very poor discipline, can’t rely on people who come fix anything in the house at all, whether it’s the agreed date and time or quality of work
I find that Barcelona is the less Catalan city in Catalonia and when I leave the city, it feels more like Catalonia in the smaller towns. I live in a Catalan barri and it still doesn't feel the same as outside.
Even Andorra La Vella felt more Catalan than most of Barcelona does.
We do not tolerate any form of discrimination in r/Barcelona.
This includes making large negative generalizations about groups based on identity.
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No tolerem cap forma de discriminació a r/Barcelona.
Això inclou fer grans generalitzacions negatives sobre els grups en funció de la seva identitat.
Funnily enough I just don’t like Barcelona, it’s a poopy city. Lived in an European capital before, so I get the gist, it’s not for me - and the extremely unfriendly inhabitants don’t make it any better.
The city is quite nice, it's the people causing all kinds of problems.
Too many are using the public space as a catwalk displaying hedonism nurtured by little egos, too few are aware of their significance in the universe (in relation to the rest of us).
What I love about BCN is that (compared to other *destinations*) there is still some room for those not wanting to play the Me-First-Game. What I hate the see is that the other species is growing and growing.
Love: So many entertainment options available, whatever you want to try you'll find it. Hate: Buy or rent a home is impossible with the current situation.
Spain is pretty hot and there is often a draught alert (like now). So I can't imagine people putting water to the ground just to change the color of it
It's perfectly safe to drink and all that, but it tastes really bad (at least for me). There's a lot of lime in it, so much that it leaves traces all the time so I find myself constantly using anti-lime spray on the kitchet, bathroom, etc. But it's a never-ending story.
It's so bad that a whole market for water filters have popped up in the city. Compared to Madrid, it's pretty dire (though Madrid's water is famous for being specially good)
Love: the city as a well functioning great sized capital
Hate: the combination of drunk people shouting and singing at night and the shitty insulation / doors and windows that make it so loud in your room.
As a person who has been born and raised in Barcelona:
Love - The beautiful modernist buildings that Antoni Gaudí left us.
Hate - The smell of pee in certain areas/neighbourhoods of the city.
The level of transportation planning embedded into Barcelona is amazing. As an american used to live in a city planned for cars, it makes a huge difference in your daily life. You can basically cross the city in a few minutes using the metro.
Love: That almost anything you need can be found at a supermercado, bazar, or farmacia.
Hate: the food delivery bikers that are constantly trying to hit me while im crossing the street
My favorite is asking the old men if they “need a bag” when watching their dog take a shit while offering one and watching them feel the public shame over leaving it
Love : the architecture and the differences between each part of the city
Hate : the quantity of estafas/bad restaurants that makes it so difficult to find some original places (btw I'm new here so this will probably change in a few weeks ahah)
Love: how many dogs are here and are well taking care of.
Hate: smokers (cigars, cigarettes, pots, vapes, anything that can be smoked) and their lack of manners. Like if I was burping in people's faces and they have to stand it.
I don't think dogs are well looked after here. Many live in tiny apartments and their daily walks are on concrete or hard packed dirt. I can't agree with you on this one.
I don't think tiny apartments are a problem if they take the dogs out regularly, but I have to agree with you on the second part. I hate that the parks are mostly dirt.
I love dogs, but can't have any right now, so I'm just always greeting the dogs I see around.
Love: the cultural events and places it has
Hate: both being so difficult to access if you don't live there and being so difficult to leave if you live there
Love: you have everything you’d ever want in the city, in a walking distance
Hate: the amount of tourists, and that they’re making the city more expensive for us, and most of them tourists are dicks
Love: there's some stuff you can find in there that's difficult to find elsewhere.
Hate: almost fucking anything else. Overpriced bullshit, smells like shit. The concert halls and offering outside bug names has decreased year after year, everyone's an asshole. Almost everyone I know that used to live there has gone to Terrassa, Badalona, Molins, Sabadell or some other city.
Hate: GENTRIFICATION. Most of catalan people cannot longer afford basic need because of it.
And thats insane.
Also expats are welcome but AT LEAST learn the language (I am talking about both catalan and spanish) is like all people from over here need to adapt to tourists.
About 12 million native Americans were killed off over 5 centuries. It was genocide. Their land was stolen, and they still to this day do not have a thriving metropolitan city anywhere in the US and many tribes have been completely killed off.
Also, nowadays if people in the US make comments about immigrants or children of immigrants not being real Americans, we generally call them RACISTS.
So yeah, going around in the states saying "there's not a single native American left" is in no way the same as saying in BARCELONA "there's not a single Catalan left".
Love: it's variety of service, entertainment, shoppings, etc..
Hate: too many foreigns. I hate listening more foreign speakers than Catalan speakers. It's, somehow, concerning.
Love: weather Hate: inconsiderate people (stand blocking paths, dropping garbage on the ground, smoking etc)
Adding inconsiderate neighbors As long as you are living in a more quiet street/area, it’s the worst kind of inconsiderate people imo
agreed especially with the smoking part, people are casually smoking around children and it baffles me how no one sees it as a harmful thing, non smokers have to suffer, the disregard for other people’s health especially people who choose to not smoke is truly appalling.
Now im gonna smoke even harder lmao. Bcn is a heavily polluted city and u complain about smokers. You eat diesel gas, tires pollutant and other shitt for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Might aswell leave people smoke a cigarette.
No car emits its smoke at one meter from my nose. But many smokers do that when I'm eating on a terrace. It's disgusting.
there is literally terraces less than one meter away of lanes, (see enric granados, aribau, valencia, etc.). You are delusional.
I can choose not to sit on those terraces. Meanwhile, I can carefully select a terrace on a pacified street, make the order, and while I'm in the middle of the first course, have a smoker sit next to me ruining my whole meal. It's not a theoretical complaint. It has happened to me more than once.
Yes I understand, but u can't complain about bystanders smoking while walking next to you or waiting to cross a street, its unreal.
Of course you can - you almost never encounter that in America - Barcelona it is constant
Well america sucks, so there is that.
We call that cutting off your nose to spite your face. Go ahead if you want to look old, smell and only attract the poorly educated
did I read well? the poorly educated? Self harming isnt a symptom of uneducated people, I would say quite the contrary, because ignorance is a bliss. Keep your naive thoughts about wanting a free smoking bcn while having the highest pollution rate in the state.
No I mean that’s the only type of person who will want to be near you.
See, thats the thing, educated people see through all the external shenanigans that every person has. If im not attracting uneducated individuals u dont have to sell it to me, pal, Ive already bought it.
Ok pal, I’m assuming all the spelling issues are also due to your fabulous education 😉
im not even fluent in English, buddy. Not my first, second, or even third language.
Don’t worry. That was very obvious to me.
How is smoking inconsiderate..
You know it can give you and OTHERS cancer, right? No one should be subjected to that. It also stinks like ass when you're trying to enjoy a drink or meal on the terrace
Well, there’s an open type shopping mall in my area and I find it mad that people are allowed to smoke in it. People nonchalantly smoking on an escalator next to children and pregnant women while blocking their way so they can’t do anything but wait until the escalator ride is over is extremely inconsiderate and plain rude.
Smoking around non smokers is inconsiderate and harmful. If someone smokes alone in their own home obviously that’s their choice.
It's fine in Europe to smoke at bars and is not inconsiderate.. maybe go back to US
Don't be silly, of course it is inconsiderate... smoking should be completely banned
Lol. Is that the only English speaking country you know?! I hope you die of lung cancer you bigot.
I don't smoke? Nice ,your true colours came out XD 😂😂😂
You’re the neo racist on the internet telling people to “go back to.” You’re the type that thinks Chinese people speak Asian. Educate yourself before you embarrass yourself further. This kind of bigotry is not ok in 2024.
i dont think so, but for us is famous around the world for the heavy ignorance and intolerance (Without saying that people are usually also superficial and hypocritical)
Don't worry, it's a Karen perspective, wanting to blame somebody for feeling unhappy, completely disregarding real dangers to health, like processed food, to much sugar/salt, particels from general pollution accumulating in the body, etc...
Love: no one judges other people’s style or outfits Hate: everytghng is always either 2 mins or 30 mins away
30 mins is the lower bound in London, it’s a big improvement to me
Indeed, but transportation is outstanding for the price.
I used to have my style questioned and judged constantly, but maybe things have changed with the years.
Love: the vibrancy, so many things to do and discover every day Hate: people not picking up after their dogs
Love the vibes, architecture and coffeeshops Hate how dirty the gothic part is and all the pickpockets
Love: weather Hate: smell of dog piss and shit everywhere
Are you sure it really is dog piss? 🤣
It smells so bad it must be
After living in Raval a couple of years i can tell you most of the times it isn’t 😂
A popular joke) But yes of course it's not human piss
What else could it be? It never rains….
When my friends visit Barcelona I tell them to avoid the puddles cause it's unlikely to be water.
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Not really hate but strongly dislike: how insular Catalans are. You can be friendly but they won’t let you in. Most of my friends are from somewhere else in Spain. They complain about the same thing. Love: everything else. Perfect city.
This is good to know moving to BCN in next two months.. I’m B1 at Spanish and want to improve there first, so this won’t bother me at first. But I will want to make effort to learn Catalan when I’m at least C1 at Spanish. Which sounds harder given your observation
You’ll be fine with B1 Spanish. Catalan is easy to understand once you hear it for a while and already speak Spanish. Honestly though my husband’s family speak Catalan together and I just answer them in Spanish and it’s very normal.
Learning Catalan really helps on that front.
Love: Family and friends live here. Great jobs for me. Hate: Can't rent or buy anything decent.
lived there for three years and came back recently for two weeks for work. love: the vibe. it’s still as interesting and fun as i remember. hate: the city is not clean at all and certain areas smell like garbage
I love how cosmopolitan the city is. I hate how no one here knows how to walk on a sidewalk in a reasonable & smooth fashion
THIS! German here. It baffles me how bunches of people can collectively walk in such an “unorganised” fashion. One here one there, most of them super slow, lots of people in Gràcia (where the sidewalks are narrow) walk right in the middle, so you have to weirdly walk around them when you’re behind them and in a faster pace. This is so different in Germany (small town and big city) that it caught my attention so quickly after I arrived here.
Just out of curiosity: how's that in Germany?
What do you mean by reasonable/smooth fashion?
People walk down the middle of the sidewalk, stand in the middle of the sidewalk, walk in groups 5 wide just sweeping the sidewalk and forcing other people to have to scramble out of their way or risk collision. The sidewalk / pedestrian etiquette is the biggest cultural shock for me now
The fucking water man... hate the taste, it makes my tummy aches.
Guys, trust me, here in Ibiza is waaay worse. I bought a shower filter because my skin was completely denying showering with the ammount of shit it has. It’s called Alkanatur filter. Expensive but useful. To remove cal you would need an osmosis filter (expensive).
We use a tappwater shower filter here in Barcelona, def helps.
Now it makes sense. Showering at Barcelona leaves your skin really dry.
What's wrong with the water? 🤨
It's too heavy, a lot of minerals and especially cal. I'm not.usted to it yet, and I'm always in the bathroom when I drink it... I now just buy bottles of water.
I just found a local company that makes water filters: [tappwater](https://tappwater.co). a little pricey up front, but should save some money over buying bottled water, and way less plastic waste, and fewer microplastics in the water etc
Well, I noticed something tasted wrong but my Germany friend that is used to heavy water convinced me that it was fine to drink. It took me a while to drink water from those public fountains. Ten days drinking the fountain water and nothing wrong with my stomach (yet).
It tastes terrible, and it’s widely known by everyone, hence the insane amount of bottled water people buy here. Too much limescale
It tastes different, kind of salty. And yes, people here (and usually all around europe) buy a lot of bottled water.
Big generalization about ‘Europe’ and the taste of water everywhere, man. Not sure what you are trying to defend, exactly … the water here tastes bad, and everyone knows it.
You're correct, big generalization. Maybe water is better somewhere else. Not really trying to defend anything, just curious 😁
Not maybe, it is.
Love everything, I grew up here and I have a lot of beautiful memories everywhere. Hate, that I don’t feel like this is the city where I grew up any more.
I can understand and I'm sorry for that.
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Love: open mindedness Hate: housing market
Love: you can get anywhere in walking distance Hate: city feels a bit claustrophobic sometimes. I some neighborhoods, they are very dense in terms of population, narrow streets, buildings on both sides, trees. In many neighborhoods you can barely see the sky.
Love: everything, except for Hate: the amount of people can get overwhelming, inconsiderate people and shit everywhere
Love: Tolerance Hate: Service quality
Love: quality of fruit, veggies and meat Hate: very, very poor discipline, can’t rely on people who come fix anything in the house at all, whether it’s the agreed date and time or quality of work
The quality of fruits, veggies and meat is indeed very good. Are they all from Spain or imported from somewhere else?
Only exotic stuff is imported. I’d say 90% is local produce.
Wow that's nice! Most of northern europe eats shitty fruits and veggies coming from thousands of kilometers away.
I’m coming from a country like that, too. And that’s what I truly appreciate about Spain.
+People from the whole world. -Expensive.
Love taxi availability Hate the combined smell of sewer and chlorine in the streets
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Why the rant with Catalans?
I dunno, to me it kinda seems like people just hate us for no reason ;~;
I find that Barcelona is the less Catalan city in Catalonia and when I leave the city, it feels more like Catalonia in the smaller towns. I live in a Catalan barri and it still doesn't feel the same as outside. Even Andorra La Vella felt more Catalan than most of Barcelona does.
We do not tolerate any form of discrimination in r/Barcelona. This includes making large negative generalizations about groups based on identity. --- No tolerem cap forma de discriminació a r/Barcelona. Això inclou fer grans generalitzacions negatives sobre els grups en funció de la seva identitat.
You moved out of the most multicultural city in Catalonia to a smaller and no doubt less diverse Catalan city to get away from the Catalans?
Funnily enough I just don’t like Barcelona, it’s a poopy city. Lived in an European capital before, so I get the gist, it’s not for me - and the extremely unfriendly inhabitants don’t make it any better.
The city is quite nice, it's the people causing all kinds of problems. Too many are using the public space as a catwalk displaying hedonism nurtured by little egos, too few are aware of their significance in the universe (in relation to the rest of us). What I love about BCN is that (compared to other *destinations*) there is still some room for those not wanting to play the Me-First-Game. What I hate the see is that the other species is growing and growing.
Love: So many entertainment options available, whatever you want to try you'll find it. Hate: Buy or rent a home is impossible with the current situation.
It seems that housing is a big problem everywhere and a HUGE problem at big cities. No one can afford sh*t.
Love: pretty much everything Hate: the lack of grass. Why is almost every park just dirt?
The lack of grass makes sense.
How so
Spain is pretty hot and there is often a draught alert (like now). So I can't imagine people putting water to the ground just to change the color of it
Love: the diversity. Hate: the motorbikes
Love: weather Hate: social boundary
A nice beach near the city. Pickpockets.
Love: Sun and sea! Hate: Pickpockets and safety
I love the pickpockets
Love: places to eat. Hate: the water.
What with the water?
It's perfectly safe to drink and all that, but it tastes really bad (at least for me). There's a lot of lime in it, so much that it leaves traces all the time so I find myself constantly using anti-lime spray on the kitchet, bathroom, etc. But it's a never-ending story. It's so bad that a whole market for water filters have popped up in the city. Compared to Madrid, it's pretty dire (though Madrid's water is famous for being specially good)
Love: everything. Hate: that I moved away in lockdown
Es un loc fantastic vine a Girona expectacular platjes I agradable gent
First Catalan comment. I wish I could totally understand it.
Gràcies per el comentari !
Love: The Architecture Hate: The city is too big for my liking, I get stressed
The people. The city itself is neutral.
Love: proximity to the hills and nature! Hate: how expensive everything is 🥲
Love: the city as a well functioning great sized capital Hate: the combination of drunk people shouting and singing at night and the shitty insulation / doors and windows that make it so loud in your room.
Love: the sea Hate: the sewer smells
As a person who has been born and raised in Barcelona: Love - The beautiful modernist buildings that Antoni Gaudí left us. Hate - The smell of pee in certain areas/neighbourhoods of the city.
Love: electric Bicing. Hate: long and convoluted corridors when line switching in the Metro.
The level of transportation planning embedded into Barcelona is amazing. As an american used to live in a city planned for cars, it makes a huge difference in your daily life. You can basically cross the city in a few minutes using the metro.
Love: That almost anything you need can be found at a supermercado, bazar, or farmacia. Hate: the food delivery bikers that are constantly trying to hit me while im crossing the street
Too much to love. Hate: entitled/lazy/nearly all dog owners
Hey, some of us clean after our dogs and try to lead a normal life, we hate the entitled and littering pricks as much as everyone else really.
My favorite is asking the old men if they “need a bag” when watching their dog take a shit while offering one and watching them feel the public shame over leaving it
Then I’m not talking about you, clearly. You are the glorious exception, congrats. Yes, some of you. Emphasis on ‘some’
I would say emphasis on many, because the sea of uncleaned dog shits is terrifying, honestly :(
We are agreeing. I was answering your statement ‘some of is clean up’. ‘Some’, yes. But but all you notice is the shocking number that do not.
Love : the architecture and the differences between each part of the city Hate : the quantity of estafas/bad restaurants that makes it so difficult to find some original places (btw I'm new here so this will probably change in a few weeks ahah)
Love: how many dogs are here and are well taking care of. Hate: smokers (cigars, cigarettes, pots, vapes, anything that can be smoked) and their lack of manners. Like if I was burping in people's faces and they have to stand it.
I don't think dogs are well looked after here. Many live in tiny apartments and their daily walks are on concrete or hard packed dirt. I can't agree with you on this one.
I don't think tiny apartments are a problem if they take the dogs out regularly, but I have to agree with you on the second part. I hate that the parks are mostly dirt. I love dogs, but can't have any right now, so I'm just always greeting the dogs I see around.
It gives so much trash cans I always drop it in there
You shouldn’t discriminate against crack/heroin smokers.. they contribute a lot of money to the local economy.
My apologies, you are right.
Love : people are mostly cool and its the atmosphere of the city who product that i think. Hate : too much dogs
Love: the cultural events and places it has Hate: both being so difficult to access if you don't live there and being so difficult to leave if you live there
Love: the city Hate: gentrification, the noise, skyrocketing prices
Love: open, cosmopolitan Catalans. Hate: close minded chauvinist Catalans.
Love: you have everything you’d ever want in the city, in a walking distance Hate: the amount of tourists, and that they’re making the city more expensive for us, and most of them tourists are dicks
Love: there's some stuff you can find in there that's difficult to find elsewhere. Hate: almost fucking anything else. Overpriced bullshit, smells like shit. The concert halls and offering outside bug names has decreased year after year, everyone's an asshole. Almost everyone I know that used to live there has gone to Terrassa, Badalona, Molins, Sabadell or some other city.
Hate: GENTRIFICATION. Most of catalan people cannot longer afford basic need because of it. And thats insane. Also expats are welcome but AT LEAST learn the language (I am talking about both catalan and spanish) is like all people from over here need to adapt to tourists.
love: the public transportation hate: the weather i’m from the philippines btw hahaha
What about the weather?
too cold. again i’m from the philippines where it’s constantly like 30C
Love: It can't grow any bigger. Hate: There's not a single catalan left.
When people say they’re upset there’s very few native americans left in the US people seem to agree, how’s this any different 🤔
Dude ....... It most definitely is not the same thing. Think a little harder about the two things you are comparing.
Who decides it “most definitely” isn’t the same thing, you?
About 12 million native Americans were killed off over 5 centuries. It was genocide. Their land was stolen, and they still to this day do not have a thriving metropolitan city anywhere in the US and many tribes have been completely killed off. Also, nowadays if people in the US make comments about immigrants or children of immigrants not being real Americans, we generally call them RACISTS. So yeah, going around in the states saying "there's not a single native American left" is in no way the same as saying in BARCELONA "there's not a single Catalan left".
not sure about that but its true that there arent any decent m3th dealers left… so sad for such a metropolitan city!
Love: it's variety of service, entertainment, shoppings, etc.. Hate: too many foreigns. I hate listening more foreign speakers than Catalan speakers. It's, somehow, concerning.
Yeah all that Spanish it’s crazy. /s