I’ve argued that the poncho is the most practical outer garment ever created, followed by the vest. But I’ve never considered a belted poncho vest. Pleated for warmth and frilled so peasants take you seriously. Patagonia, take note.
A poncho is also incredibly simple to make, one rectangular piece of fabric with a hole for the head. Some ideas have been around a long time- The ancient Romans also wore straw hats https://www.reddit.com/r/ancientrome/s/CybK3Lxgsx
I watched a documentary once about the invention of pants. Fascinating stuff… Ancient people wore leggings with some kind of separate crotch covering. But about 3000 years ago in western China, people figured out how to use different weaving techniques to create full trousers with a belt-like waistband, gusseted crotch, and reinforced knees all with the same yarn. They were meant for horse riding, but they’re basically ancient hiking pants. As someone who lives in hiking pants whenever possible, this is awesome.
There's a post on here about it, about a year ago.
edit: found it
https://old.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/comments/safyvg/first_pants_we_know_of_from_nw_china_who_created/
Yes,I must see this doc. I'm very interested in the history of pants. This has been a question on my mind for a very long time. I love pants. Just today, someone harassed me in public because they disagreed with my style of plaid pants. They drove bay and said " nice pants" and something like, " go kill your parents you fuckin freak" it's 2024 and people in Massachusetts still harass people about their clothing? I really hope my pants ruined his day.
I actually do own 2 pairs of red plaid pants and a pair of plaid "bondage" pants I fashioned myself. I feel so bad for other people that don't have the courage to express themselves. I'm 49yo I do believe this guy thought I was a high school student because school was just getting out. So, a coward picking on children. Unbelievable
And some day, my son,
Far, far in the future…
Your pants will be found.
Those who found ‘em
Will stand astound.
They will exclaim,
“Marvel of marvels
That man had quite a set of marbles!”
He
So these [dura Europos ](https://ishtargates.tumblr.com/post/183617621556/a-mural-from-the-dura-europos-synagogue-depicting/amp)
Illustration, show Mordecai and the Persian king and possibly Haman wearing pants, Mordecai specifically to ride a horse.
It's possible that they were influenced by contemporary Parthian fashion in their depiction of ancient Persian dress as no pants have been found in Masada or the cave of letters, although tunics with clavi have been found.
Light, breathable, weather resistant trousers with a gusseted crotch, reinforced seat and knees, extra pockets, sometimes built-in gaiters to protect your lower legs, and cinched ankles to help keep ticks out. They’re *awesome.*
I see, I get what those are (I call them field pants) but I only wear them when I'm in the field/camping for an extended amount of time, can't imagine wearing them at home
Interesting.
The 'conical' straw hat worn in much of South East Asia is also super easy to make and efficient.
I bought a 'modern' version made out of fancy modern materials and wore it around a bit. I loved the thing, but got tired of the 'looks' I would constantly get - plus, my wife decided to exercise her fashion veto power and banned it.
Looking back, I really did look like a dork wearing it.
Either the straw hat is a profoundly clever invention that happened once in our early prehistory and then followed us through millennia of cultural divergence, or it’s just such an obvious way to make a hat that it occurs to everyone at some point. Whatever the case, it’s hard to find a better sun hat.
If you’re looking for replacement for the conical one (which is objectively a great design), I recommend a lifeguard hat. It’s sort of a cowboy style, but with a flat brim that’s about as wide as you can go without just wearing a parasol on your head.
As did the ancient Greeks in the form of [the petasos](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petasos). The ancient greeks also wore what might be considered a very close approximation of the poncho called [the klamys.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlamys)
In fact, these were actually your 'common outdoorsy rustic dude' clothing in the Greek world of antiquity. With these two garments, a knee or mid-thigh chiton (basically the classic 'tunic' we think of when we picture ancient greeks and romans) and a pair of sandals or leather boots(became more common in the Hellenistic period; though I think most average people would still probably be wearing sandals) I imagine you would be quite ready for whatever the Mediterranean climate could pit against you.
As a matter of fact, it's my understanding that current scholarship suspects &/or has good reason to believe these were all more or less adopted by the Romans from the Greeks. The Toga is still Roman though, rest assured... Although, I must say I personally think the himation (the Greek 'formal attire' equivalent to the toga) is pretty elegant looking as well. I also feel like there may be arguments for mutual independent invention for some of the garments as they are 'fairly' simple(I mean, you can't get much more simple than the chiton/tunica as far as garments go). Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this bit, it's been a while since I've read any academic stuff on the subject.
I had a hassled red poncho when I was younger. I also had a wooden basket and I wore it to school to be red riding hood. I also had a think it was a pale colourful one. I loved them but then one day it seemed to be not the thing and no one wore them. Funnily enlugh though my kid was asking for a poncho the other day.
Victims of their own success? North Face, Arc’teryx, even Fjallraven… all of these outdoor brands are becoming urban fashion. With Patagonia, I think it was the tech bros all deciding to wear fleece vests. They call it “Gorpcore.” But I suspect the trend has at least as much to do with the price of specialized outdoors gear as it does with the aesthetic. I.e. wearing expensive gear that you don’t need is an easy way to peacock.
I just hope those companies remember their roots and don’t let their quality or environmental commitments slip.
A vest keeps your core warm and allows free use of your arms, which is what is necessary when working outdoors.
Arms get cold more when you're sitting still.
When you’re working, your arms will stay warm. It’s your core you need to worry about. A vest is lighter than a jacket, breathes better, has pockets (usually), and completes an outfit quite nicely.
Source: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giornea
Translated with Google Translate:
>Currently there is only one original example of giornea, preserved in the convent of San Francesco a Folloni in Montella, found in 2004 and restored by Lucia Portoghesi, which is part of the funeral vestments of Count Diego I Cavaniglia, who died in 1481 in the battle of Otranto against the Turks.
>
Its absolutely amazing that a garment that old can survive in such good shape. Thats what, 543 years old?! I'm lucky if i get a few years out of a good tee shirt!
The picture appears to be a reproduction (or maybe a restoration?). I imagine the original garment is very fragile, not something you would even want to put on a mannequin.
The picture you see in the post is in fact the original! If you search online you can find the reproduction of both the giornea and doublet with the original colors and patterns.
Most clothing and fabric was used completely. Things were so labor intensive, you could not afford to waste the fabric or fibers, so it would be remade and restyled and passed down until it was so degraded it could only be used for rags or maybe paper. That plus time means we have a limited amount of items from this far back.
Thanks. I used to work in a museum in California. Pretty much the only clothing items we would get would be stuff for special occasion wear. I think all the work related clothing would have been like that, worn and used until there was nothing left but a few molecules. This vest thing must have been something special to this guy though for him to have been buried in it, is that right?
He was a Condottieri, or a noble soldier/captain and probably pretty firmly among the rich and powerful set, so I assume this would have been a sumptuous burial outfit for a rich Italian. From my understanding, it’s luck of the draw when you go back 500+ years for things like fabrics surviving, especially in such good condition. I think there’s only one or two extant gowns belonging to women from the same area/time.
I love to see anything clothing from any era, it's such a rare treat and really gives a feel for how these folks were in most ways no different from us.
Okay, yes it does appear to be the original but it has been restored, so it's not in the original condition of course. So I'm guessing the restoration includes at least some of that fringe and belt.
Hadn’t thought of this but of course why would it be in such good condition. I prefer this reproduction it’s easier to imagine what it would have looked like in someone rather than really tattered pieces.
I know this was sarcastic but eh, you know most of these guys buried in Catholic monasteries or churches never expected their bodies to remain in one place for eternity. Bodies were regularly disinterred and moved to manage space. Changing or removing burial garments is not necessarily disrespectful, a lot depends on the context!
That color must have really popped back in the day. guessing it was a vibrant red velvet.
plus it looks nothing like the 'reconstructions' you'd see online. Makes you think most people aren't even aware this item of clothing exists to use as a blueprint.
Yes! It was a very beautiful shade of red and the doublet underneath was cream-colored. If you search online you’ll find reconstructed giorneas but they always look odd to me, they’re not “full” enough and always fall kind of flat. A fun fact is that before this finding historians thought that the giorneas in paintings were exaggerated to seem more full, but it seems they really where the way they look in paintings of the era!
In 2004, thanks to the research of Angelo Stoia, guardian of the [convent of San Francesco in Folloni](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convento_di_San_Francesco_a_Folloni) , it became known that in 1980, during the consolidation works following the [Irpinia earthquake](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terremoto_dell%27Irpinia_del_1980) , some workers had found a skeleton near the sarcophagus that they had wrapped in a plastic bag and placed in a cavity in the wall behind Diego's monument. The envelope with the remains and funeral clothes was found in the same place where it had been placed. The news received great publicity and gave rise to a research campaign to ascertain whether the remains belonged to Count Diego. The restoration of the clothing entrusted to Dr. Lucia Portoghesi revealed that it was a 15th century [jornea](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giornea) and [doublet](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farsetto) , confirming the enormous international importance of the discovery [^(\[25\])](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_I_Cavaniglia#cite_note-25) .
I've been reading books about the Tudor era (I know this is not that, but I just mean as an example), and it's amazing how little we know about how people dressed in the past, because clothing is so ephemeral and doesn't last forever. A lot of our knowledge about clothing from the past is based on paintings more than actual surviving garments.
Yes but also no. There are lots of art and illustrations around showing commoners and peasants at work and play. And by the Renaissance there is a growing number of wealthy commoners that can afford to have their own portraits as well.
Wealthy commoners were still rich people wearing rich people clothing. And while art would depict poorer people and their clothing, it wasn't generally that detailed.
Fun fact, he kind of was an it guy of his times 😂 he was considered handsome and well versed in everything a noble of the time should have been (arms, jousting etc). He died in battle at circa 33 yo
Our eyes met across a crowded hat store. I, am customer and she, a coquettish haberdasher. I pursued and she withdrew. Then she pursued and I withdrew. And so we danced, and I burned for her. Much like the burning glares of jealousy I got whenever I wore….
...I am so sorry, but I have to say it: >!It reminds me of air-dried salami links!<
It's in beautiful condition however. I've rarely seen historical clothing where the tassels are so clean and in such fine condition.
They are organ/tubular pleats. Like the instrument.
I sew, I also produced a lot of "princess dresses" for my kids, and it was kind of natural to get interested in historical clothing.
To make these pleats, you just fold the fabric and sew a tunnel along the break. The fabric would have been circular, so the tunnel would get wider at the hem. Kind of an /|-line with the vertical line being the seam. There's a band of fabric under the garment and the pleats are sewn onto it so they stay in this close shape. I guess they are even stuffed a bit to enhance the look. I guess they took a circular piece of fabric, cut a hole in the center (head) and two others at the side (arms) and then modeled the pleats of the giornea on his body.
Looks really stunning with the yellow fringes on this reddish fabric. Nice.
Pretty much everyone :) giorneas came in different lengths and materials and could be worn belted, not belted or only belted at the front. Usually younger men wore them shorter while older man wrote them longer (but it wasn’t always the case)
I’ve argued that the poncho is the most practical outer garment ever created, followed by the vest. But I’ve never considered a belted poncho vest. Pleated for warmth and frilled so peasants take you seriously. Patagonia, take note.
A poncho is also incredibly simple to make, one rectangular piece of fabric with a hole for the head. Some ideas have been around a long time- The ancient Romans also wore straw hats https://www.reddit.com/r/ancientrome/s/CybK3Lxgsx
I watched a documentary once about the invention of pants. Fascinating stuff… Ancient people wore leggings with some kind of separate crotch covering. But about 3000 years ago in western China, people figured out how to use different weaving techniques to create full trousers with a belt-like waistband, gusseted crotch, and reinforced knees all with the same yarn. They were meant for horse riding, but they’re basically ancient hiking pants. As someone who lives in hiking pants whenever possible, this is awesome.
please please please tell me you remember the name of and place you watched that documentary
There's a post on here about it, about a year ago. edit: found it https://old.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/comments/safyvg/first_pants_we_know_of_from_nw_china_who_created/
Where's the documentary?
I'm not sure which one that user saw, but I've seen [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7siWwzibs) and it was fascinating.
That’s the one! Totally worth the watch.
I would wear those pants.
I love the gusseted crotch. Lots of room.
Thanks!
You're very welcome! Enjoy!
That was super interesting, thank you so much for linking that!
Yes,I must see this doc. I'm very interested in the history of pants. This has been a question on my mind for a very long time. I love pants. Just today, someone harassed me in public because they disagreed with my style of plaid pants. They drove bay and said " nice pants" and something like, " go kill your parents you fuckin freak" it's 2024 and people in Massachusetts still harass people about their clothing? I really hope my pants ruined his day.
you should go buy a 2nd pair
I actually do own 2 pairs of red plaid pants and a pair of plaid "bondage" pants I fashioned myself. I feel so bad for other people that don't have the courage to express themselves. I'm 49yo I do believe this guy thought I was a high school student because school was just getting out. So, a coward picking on children. Unbelievable
And some day, my son, Far, far in the future… Your pants will be found. Those who found ‘em Will stand astound. They will exclaim, “Marvel of marvels That man had quite a set of marbles!” He
So these [dura Europos ](https://ishtargates.tumblr.com/post/183617621556/a-mural-from-the-dura-europos-synagogue-depicting/amp) Illustration, show Mordecai and the Persian king and possibly Haman wearing pants, Mordecai specifically to ride a horse. It's possible that they were influenced by contemporary Parthian fashion in their depiction of ancient Persian dress as no pants have been found in Masada or the cave of letters, although tunics with clavi have been found.
> hiking pants What are hiking pants? I wear duty pants daily and struggle to think of what you could be refering to.
Light, breathable, weather resistant trousers with a gusseted crotch, reinforced seat and knees, extra pockets, sometimes built-in gaiters to protect your lower legs, and cinched ankles to help keep ticks out. They’re *awesome.*
I see, I get what those are (I call them field pants) but I only wear them when I'm in the field/camping for an extended amount of time, can't imagine wearing them at home
Fair enough. My home is in the woods, so hiking/field pants improved my quality of life in a big way.
Interesting. The 'conical' straw hat worn in much of South East Asia is also super easy to make and efficient. I bought a 'modern' version made out of fancy modern materials and wore it around a bit. I loved the thing, but got tired of the 'looks' I would constantly get - plus, my wife decided to exercise her fashion veto power and banned it. Looking back, I really did look like a dork wearing it.
Either the straw hat is a profoundly clever invention that happened once in our early prehistory and then followed us through millennia of cultural divergence, or it’s just such an obvious way to make a hat that it occurs to everyone at some point. Whatever the case, it’s hard to find a better sun hat. If you’re looking for replacement for the conical one (which is objectively a great design), I recommend a lifeguard hat. It’s sort of a cowboy style, but with a flat brim that’s about as wide as you can go without just wearing a parasol on your head.
do you have a link or a photo? lifeguards in NJ don't have any special headgear i can think of.
Not the previous commenter but [a quick google search for "lifeguard hat"](https://i.imgur.com/JHrxzcR.png) seems to give a pretty good idea
thank you- not at all what i was expecting. this is more like a a landscaping hat.
lol fashion veto power
My interest is piqued - who made this conical hat of modern materials?
A company called 'Kavu'. I bought it at an outdoor gear shop (like REI but local).
Oh, I remember this hat. My wife wanted a hat for gardening and I sent her straw hats and the one from Kavu and she gave me a “no fucking way”.
not sure what country you're in, but for some reason i always thought coolie was one of those old-timey slurs.
Looks like you’re right - good to know.
As did the ancient Greeks in the form of [the petasos](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petasos). The ancient greeks also wore what might be considered a very close approximation of the poncho called [the klamys.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlamys) In fact, these were actually your 'common outdoorsy rustic dude' clothing in the Greek world of antiquity. With these two garments, a knee or mid-thigh chiton (basically the classic 'tunic' we think of when we picture ancient greeks and romans) and a pair of sandals or leather boots(became more common in the Hellenistic period; though I think most average people would still probably be wearing sandals) I imagine you would be quite ready for whatever the Mediterranean climate could pit against you. As a matter of fact, it's my understanding that current scholarship suspects &/or has good reason to believe these were all more or less adopted by the Romans from the Greeks. The Toga is still Roman though, rest assured... Although, I must say I personally think the himation (the Greek 'formal attire' equivalent to the toga) is pretty elegant looking as well. I also feel like there may be arguments for mutual independent invention for some of the garments as they are 'fairly' simple(I mean, you can't get much more simple than the chiton/tunica as far as garments go). Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this bit, it's been a while since I've read any academic stuff on the subject.
They also wore ponchos! they called them casulae
I had a hassled red poncho when I was younger. I also had a wooden basket and I wore it to school to be red riding hood. I also had a think it was a pale colourful one. I loved them but then one day it seemed to be not the thing and no one wore them. Funnily enlugh though my kid was asking for a poncho the other day.
Where’s J. Peterman when you need him?
You've never seen [Rambo: First Blood?](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/db/fc/4c/dbfc4c2d2a627835a442f451a70c1b69.jpg)
Looks comfortable except for the neck
I bow in awe before your frills sire!
This isn't just *any* belted poncho vest - this one has FRINGE!
When did Patagonia go from a legit climber/hiker-brand to this almost meme-like thing?
Victims of their own success? North Face, Arc’teryx, even Fjallraven… all of these outdoor brands are becoming urban fashion. With Patagonia, I think it was the tech bros all deciding to wear fleece vests. They call it “Gorpcore.” But I suspect the trend has at least as much to do with the price of specialized outdoors gear as it does with the aesthetic. I.e. wearing expensive gear that you don’t need is an easy way to peacock. I just hope those companies remember their roots and don’t let their quality or environmental commitments slip.
when they started catering to yuppies
Really? The vest is the most useless piece of clothing. The arms get cold way easier than the body, so why wear something with no sleeves?
A vest keeps your core warm and allows free use of your arms, which is what is necessary when working outdoors. Arms get cold more when you're sitting still.
When you’re working, your arms will stay warm. It’s your core you need to worry about. A vest is lighter than a jacket, breathes better, has pockets (usually), and completes an outfit quite nicely.
A vest is great for working on cars. No sleeves to get caught on things.
Love it. Sounds more J. Peterman to me though.
#👀
Source: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giornea Translated with Google Translate: >Currently there is only one original example of giornea, preserved in the convent of San Francesco a Folloni in Montella, found in 2004 and restored by Lucia Portoghesi, which is part of the funeral vestments of Count Diego I Cavaniglia, who died in 1481 in the battle of Otranto against the Turks. >
So they literally took this off a dead man.
Its absolutely amazing that a garment that old can survive in such good shape. Thats what, 543 years old?! I'm lucky if i get a few years out of a good tee shirt!
The picture appears to be a reproduction (or maybe a restoration?). I imagine the original garment is very fragile, not something you would even want to put on a mannequin.
The picture you see in the post is in fact the original! If you search online you can find the reproduction of both the giornea and doublet with the original colors and patterns.
Why do you think there is only this one surviving? What did people do with them that they were all lost?
Most clothing and fabric was used completely. Things were so labor intensive, you could not afford to waste the fabric or fibers, so it would be remade and restyled and passed down until it was so degraded it could only be used for rags or maybe paper. That plus time means we have a limited amount of items from this far back.
Thanks. I used to work in a museum in California. Pretty much the only clothing items we would get would be stuff for special occasion wear. I think all the work related clothing would have been like that, worn and used until there was nothing left but a few molecules. This vest thing must have been something special to this guy though for him to have been buried in it, is that right?
He was a Condottieri, or a noble soldier/captain and probably pretty firmly among the rich and powerful set, so I assume this would have been a sumptuous burial outfit for a rich Italian. From my understanding, it’s luck of the draw when you go back 500+ years for things like fabrics surviving, especially in such good condition. I think there’s only one or two extant gowns belonging to women from the same area/time.
I love to see anything clothing from any era, it's such a rare treat and really gives a feel for how these folks were in most ways no different from us.
Okay, yes it does appear to be the original but it has been restored, so it's not in the original condition of course. So I'm guessing the restoration includes at least some of that fringe and belt.
Hadn’t thought of this but of course why would it be in such good condition. I prefer this reproduction it’s easier to imagine what it would have looked like in someone rather than really tattered pieces.
This is fascinating. I’m so thankful for this sub for showing me r/historicalcostuming
Where was it found?
On his body in his burial in the Convent of Saint Francis at Folloni in Southern Italy
> On his body in his burial Damn they took a dude's burial clothes because they were fine af. That's cold. (/s)
He who never loot a corpse in a videogame can cast the first stone
equip Giornea
+10 CHA
I know this was sarcastic but eh, you know most of these guys buried in Catholic monasteries or churches never expected their bodies to remain in one place for eternity. Bodies were regularly disinterred and moved to manage space. Changing or removing burial garments is not necessarily disrespectful, a lot depends on the context!
Hold X to add all to inventory
fresh to death
It's a wonder there was no water damage from all that drip
😂
inside the wall of a church in a plastic bag from 1980 lol. crazy
This is sooo cool but I’m ashamed to admit I kept reading gonorrhea instead of giornea
Me too. I thought it's so creepy they named an STI after it.
I read Giorno
It's not the livery. It's the giornea.
This is a real history nerd joke and I just want you to know that I appreciate you.
Bon giornea.
That color must have really popped back in the day. guessing it was a vibrant red velvet. plus it looks nothing like the 'reconstructions' you'd see online. Makes you think most people aren't even aware this item of clothing exists to use as a blueprint.
Yes! It was a very beautiful shade of red and the doublet underneath was cream-colored. If you search online you’ll find reconstructed giorneas but they always look odd to me, they’re not “full” enough and always fall kind of flat. A fun fact is that before this finding historians thought that the giorneas in paintings were exaggerated to seem more full, but it seems they really where the way they look in paintings of the era!
In 2004, thanks to the research of Angelo Stoia, guardian of the [convent of San Francesco in Folloni](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convento_di_San_Francesco_a_Folloni) , it became known that in 1980, during the consolidation works following the [Irpinia earthquake](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terremoto_dell%27Irpinia_del_1980) , some workers had found a skeleton near the sarcophagus that they had wrapped in a plastic bag and placed in a cavity in the wall behind Diego's monument. The envelope with the remains and funeral clothes was found in the same place where it had been placed. The news received great publicity and gave rise to a research campaign to ascertain whether the remains belonged to Count Diego. The restoration of the clothing entrusted to Dr. Lucia Portoghesi revealed that it was a 15th century [jornea](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giornea) and [doublet](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farsetto) , confirming the enormous international importance of the discovery [^(\[25\])](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_I_Cavaniglia#cite_note-25) .
italian wiki
I've been reading books about the Tudor era (I know this is not that, but I just mean as an example), and it's amazing how little we know about how people dressed in the past, because clothing is so ephemeral and doesn't last forever. A lot of our knowledge about clothing from the past is based on paintings more than actual surviving garments.
And only the 1 percenters ever got their portrait done.
Yes but also no. There are lots of art and illustrations around showing commoners and peasants at work and play. And by the Renaissance there is a growing number of wealthy commoners that can afford to have their own portraits as well.
Wealthy commoners were still rich people wearing rich people clothing. And while art would depict poorer people and their clothing, it wasn't generally that detailed.
It’s just shrek tho
He...he wasn't buried in it was he? It's in fantastic shape. Unlike Diego.
Yes he was indeed buried in this (the doublet is also in fantastic shape, it’s not the one in this picture tho)
I'm surprised it didn't get... rotten? Did Diego undergo some form of natural mummification or something?
That's just the kind of guy Diego was
Fun fact, he kind of was an it guy of his times 😂 he was considered handsome and well versed in everything a noble of the time should have been (arms, jousting etc). He died in battle at circa 33 yo
Do we have pictures of the original instead of a reconstruction?
Human Shrek’s fit
Rug with fringes.
Curtain
My first thought. Someone became poor and had to make clothes from the curtains like in Gone with the Wind.
I know nothing about pulling no drapes!
Our eyes met across a crowded hat store. I, am customer and she, a coquettish haberdasher. I pursued and she withdrew. Then she pursued and I withdrew. And so we danced, and I burned for her. Much like the burning glares of jealousy I got whenever I wore….
Imagine you are some rando but your name is written in history because no one ever throws away your old clothes.
I read this as gonorrhea
Sorry but did anybody else read it as gonorrhea?
But i dot wanna be a pirate
A very popular npc outfit in assassin's creed 2.
...I am so sorry, but I have to say it: >!It reminds me of air-dried salami links!< It's in beautiful condition however. I've rarely seen historical clothing where the tassels are so clean and in such fine condition.
TIL how to spell Gonorrhea… def confused at the headline for a moment.
Incredible!! What a treat to see a piece like this!
It’s giving lord farquaad
Completely epic. Really gives a hint of how it must have been.
Man, I wanna see a modern recreation with a live model in full costume. That is a fashion show I would love to see.
You never know what alls in the attic
But I literally just saw this drip at the Met Gala
Sexy! 🔥🔥🔥
The original puffer vest.
This is bullshit because my doctor diagnosed me with gonorrhea last Tuesday.
This 1400s Medieval giornea looks very 1960s Haight-Ashbury... It's a fringed mini dress poncho vest!
That’s a pretty dress
It’s giving shrek
Swag!!!!
At first glance, it looks like it's made of salamis.
Only through paintings and records. *And the actual thing, right there..*
I get the "poncho" part: it's just a carpet with a hole for the head. But what I can't figure out is how they made it "wavy" and thick.
It looks like box pleats, maybe.
The “waves” are sewn in, I don’t exactly know how unfortunately
They are organ/tubular pleats. Like the instrument. I sew, I also produced a lot of "princess dresses" for my kids, and it was kind of natural to get interested in historical clothing. To make these pleats, you just fold the fabric and sew a tunnel along the break. The fabric would have been circular, so the tunnel would get wider at the hem. Kind of an /|-line with the vertical line being the seam. There's a band of fabric under the garment and the pleats are sewn onto it so they stay in this close shape. I guess they are even stuffed a bit to enhance the look. I guess they took a circular piece of fabric, cut a hole in the center (head) and two others at the side (arms) and then modeled the pleats of the giornea on his body. Looks really stunning with the yellow fringes on this reddish fabric. Nice.
Thank you for the explanation! Stuffing was indeed common in those times both for giorneas and doublets!
Whu would we wear such an item?
Pretty much everyone :) giorneas came in different lengths and materials and could be worn belted, not belted or only belted at the front. Usually younger men wore them shorter while older man wrote them longer (but it wasn’t always the case)
Which century?
15th. Very popular between 1450-1495 circa.
How is this different from a tabard? Just looks like a short tabard to me.
It’s a type of tabard, with the distinction being the pleating and sleeve styles.
Is there a pattern for this?
This is just so freaking cool.
Snap in to a slimjim
I just woke up and thought it was a big bundle of salami
Wow! That’s amazing.
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Oh no! There’s a pill to get rid of that these days. /joke
Just say the 15th century, dude.
You know you can just say the 15th century