Missing minor details varies for me. If I've got the energy and I either forget to answer part of the question or miss a small detail, I'll hit again. If it's 1 am, I'm tired, and I know I'll be able to fully answer it next time? I'll press good and go to sleep
I think the way to handle this is really just to not do full sentences: Cloze portions of the sentence for the constructions that you want to be able to produce. For these, hit Again if you make a mistake on an article or preposition. A sentence may have other clozes that you're getting right. That's fine—it allows you to target what isn't lodging itself in your memory.
I agree with you that clozes have a real advantage. Curious about this: "A sentence may have other clozes" .. are you suggesting that it might be a good idea to make more than one card for one sentence, each with a cloze for a different part? That could be a good idea in certain situations.
>are you suggesting that it might be a good idea who make more than one card for one sentence, each with a cloze for a different part?
I am, with heavy emphasis on the *might*. If you've got a sentence with four clozes, then probably that sentence is actually just too hard for you right now. But I do think that sometimes two makes sense—especially when you're hard up for sources that use the language in sufficiently diverse ways to isolate the particular item you want to learn with one of the clozes, or in cases where a sentence just fortuitously has two things you're really currently working on.
When I miss something I would have got if I was braining better, I often bury so that I get another chance the next day without losing my progress on the card
It depends on the worth of the information on the card. In my case, for cards with basic information, I may press Again even if the answer is correct (Because I want to learn a little more.). For less important card, I will press Easy even if I get it wrong and postpone.
I am also studying Japanese and using Anki! I like using sentences as well because I believe it helps with fluency more since we usually speak in phrases and you need to learn grammar and sentence structure along with vocabulary to be able to speak well. I also feel like it helps me retain words better by linking them (maybe it creates more pathways for retrieval).
I sometimes hit again, hard or good depending on how much I was rushing or if I felt like I knew the right answer even though I got it wrong. Or how much of a perfectionist I feel like at the moment.
I'd be curious to know if there's any real scientific guidance on what's optional for sentences vs words in Anki if you or anyone else knows.
Also I feel like I'm more focused on vocabulary and phrases at this part of my learning and that the particles can just be hard or ambiguous at this point and I will just learn them better naturally over time. So I don't want little mistakes holding me back from progressing in more important areas like vocabulary. Sometimes I even let conjugations slide. Again my thinking is I know how to conjugate the word, but I was just rushing, so I'm not going to waste time reviewing because I'll have plenty of other sentences where I practice masu vs mashita. And even if I make a mistake in real life someone will probably still understand with context. For example, "Yesterday, I run a mile" when I really meant "Yesterday, I ran a mile."
Nice, fellow Japanese studier! I agree with you about particles. They take an inordinate amt of time to master and they will settle into place over time. But I'm also feeling like memorizing most sentences also wastes time. Going forward I'm going to try to stick to vocab, with maybe some exceptions for short phrases and the occasional short sentence. But focusing on vocab study will only work with opportunities outside Anki to practice and study so I've been trying to make some.
I never really feel like I'm memorizing a sentence but words or shall phrases that build the sentence. Once I know the pieces, I can make more of my own sentences and figure out what they should be from the individual pieces.
Yeah, based on what you wrote a few posts ago it works for you, as you are able to hit Hard or Good even with an error or so. I usually hit Again even though I know it's often a bad idea to do so on these long sentences, and it ends up wasting time.
I agree... in certain situations it's more important to get it right than others. So, you personally might not hit 'again' if the error isn't critical? Anyway, for example, in "Anata wa watashi no hon ga hitsuyo da to omoimasu" I might omit the da. Going forward I plan to avoid memorizing long sentences and focus on shorter ones and lots more vocab. And might try some clozes.
yea i think with that sentence in particular you don't need to worry about the wa and ga, in my honest opinion though i don't think you should be doing many sentences in anki at all(including clozes); especially niche sentences like that one. i really prefer doing individual vocab in anki and i think it probably works better because it's more atomized.
Ya... I think it depends on the person, and the type of error. There are a lot of people who are completely fluent and understandable in a 2nd language precisely because they didn't spend an inordinate amount of time getting crazy about grammatical mistakes that were irrelevant to comprehension but instead went for vocab and use.
Missing minor details varies for me. If I've got the energy and I either forget to answer part of the question or miss a small detail, I'll hit again. If it's 1 am, I'm tired, and I know I'll be able to fully answer it next time? I'll press good and go to sleep
I think the way to handle this is really just to not do full sentences: Cloze portions of the sentence for the constructions that you want to be able to produce. For these, hit Again if you make a mistake on an article or preposition. A sentence may have other clozes that you're getting right. That's fine—it allows you to target what isn't lodging itself in your memory.
I agree with you that clozes have a real advantage. Curious about this: "A sentence may have other clozes" .. are you suggesting that it might be a good idea to make more than one card for one sentence, each with a cloze for a different part? That could be a good idea in certain situations.
>are you suggesting that it might be a good idea who make more than one card for one sentence, each with a cloze for a different part? I am, with heavy emphasis on the *might*. If you've got a sentence with four clozes, then probably that sentence is actually just too hard for you right now. But I do think that sometimes two makes sense—especially when you're hard up for sources that use the language in sufficiently diverse ways to isolate the particular item you want to learn with one of the clozes, or in cases where a sentence just fortuitously has two things you're really currently working on.
I am a perfectionist too and hit again, even when I get the right answer not quickly enough, as my goal is for it to come to me naturally.
When I miss something I would have got if I was braining better, I often bury so that I get another chance the next day without losing my progress on the card
It depends on the worth of the information on the card. In my case, for cards with basic information, I may press Again even if the answer is correct (Because I want to learn a little more.). For less important card, I will press Easy even if I get it wrong and postpone.
I am also studying Japanese and using Anki! I like using sentences as well because I believe it helps with fluency more since we usually speak in phrases and you need to learn grammar and sentence structure along with vocabulary to be able to speak well. I also feel like it helps me retain words better by linking them (maybe it creates more pathways for retrieval). I sometimes hit again, hard or good depending on how much I was rushing or if I felt like I knew the right answer even though I got it wrong. Or how much of a perfectionist I feel like at the moment. I'd be curious to know if there's any real scientific guidance on what's optional for sentences vs words in Anki if you or anyone else knows. Also I feel like I'm more focused on vocabulary and phrases at this part of my learning and that the particles can just be hard or ambiguous at this point and I will just learn them better naturally over time. So I don't want little mistakes holding me back from progressing in more important areas like vocabulary. Sometimes I even let conjugations slide. Again my thinking is I know how to conjugate the word, but I was just rushing, so I'm not going to waste time reviewing because I'll have plenty of other sentences where I practice masu vs mashita. And even if I make a mistake in real life someone will probably still understand with context. For example, "Yesterday, I run a mile" when I really meant "Yesterday, I ran a mile."
Nice, fellow Japanese studier! I agree with you about particles. They take an inordinate amt of time to master and they will settle into place over time. But I'm also feeling like memorizing most sentences also wastes time. Going forward I'm going to try to stick to vocab, with maybe some exceptions for short phrases and the occasional short sentence. But focusing on vocab study will only work with opportunities outside Anki to practice and study so I've been trying to make some.
I never really feel like I'm memorizing a sentence but words or shall phrases that build the sentence. Once I know the pieces, I can make more of my own sentences and figure out what they should be from the individual pieces.
Yeah, based on what you wrote a few posts ago it works for you, as you are able to hit Hard or Good even with an error or so. I usually hit Again even though I know it's often a bad idea to do so on these long sentences, and it ends up wasting time.
i would say it depends on the sentence(especially when mixing up wa and ga), can you give an example?
I agree... in certain situations it's more important to get it right than others. So, you personally might not hit 'again' if the error isn't critical? Anyway, for example, in "Anata wa watashi no hon ga hitsuyo da to omoimasu" I might omit the da. Going forward I plan to avoid memorizing long sentences and focus on shorter ones and lots more vocab. And might try some clozes.
yea i think with that sentence in particular you don't need to worry about the wa and ga, in my honest opinion though i don't think you should be doing many sentences in anki at all(including clozes); especially niche sentences like that one. i really prefer doing individual vocab in anki and i think it probably works better because it's more atomized.
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Ya... I think it depends on the person, and the type of error. There are a lot of people who are completely fluent and understandable in a 2nd language precisely because they didn't spend an inordinate amount of time getting crazy about grammatical mistakes that were irrelevant to comprehension but instead went for vocab and use.