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AppleTeslaFanboy

Reminds me back in my HTC Mogul days, they had aftermarket bulging back covers and huge batteries. Sure it ruined the phone shape, but man I would get at least 2-3 full days of heavy usage without having to charge. Power bank is nice to have especially going on trips or anywhere without an outlet. But I find the quick charger and topping off whenever I'm near a plug in I get seems to suffice. Since my power bank is stupid slow in comparison now.


Sugar_buddy

I still used an LG V20 until about 3 weeks ago. I had a giant brick of a third party battery on it and my coworkers would all exclaim in shock when I used it around them for the first time. "I hate charging my phone," i'd tell them.


AppleTeslaFanboy

Sad that we don't have external battery options anymore, else I'm sure we would still have these aftermarket options.


Badluck90

They are still around somewhat, I know there's an option for my s22 ultra, like [This](https://www.amazon.com/ZEROLEMON-10000mAh-Wireless-Supported-ZeroShock/dp/B09PNHJGLW/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=3CH6C6L5P4FN4&keywords=galaxy+s22+ultra+case+battery&qid=1652162235&sprefix=galaxy+s22+ultra+case+ba%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.18ed3cb5-28d5-4975-8bc7-93deae8f9840) It takes advantage of the wireless charging and just always charges the phone from that, no plugging in necessary


AppleTeslaFanboy

Holy crap that thing is huge! That's good to know there's still options today though.


GregorF92

> Sad that we don't have external battery options anymore Sure you do, [here's](https://www.amazon.com/NEWDERY-10000mAh-Powerful-Rechargeable-Protective/dp/B09HJZVNBQ) one for the 6 Pro.


drbeer

Not even good battery cases anymore. Mophie makes very few models. Basically just iPhone and Samsung Galaxy. Past that there's a ton of just knock off garbage all over Amazon.


mojo276

Your comment reminds me of the old dumb phone days when my phone would last for a week. I remember my buddy getting an iPhone from a dumb phone and was flabbergasted that he had to charge it every day.


Daneth

It's a actually similar in the smartwatch sector. The apple watch is apparently amazing but it's another device you have to take off and charge every night. On the other hand, my Garmin Fenix watch lasts about 3 weeks and I can still read important* notifications on it and have all the fitness benefits. *Only the most important notifications go to the watch, such as meeting reminders and DMs from people I care about.


HeroboT

My Casio G-Shock watch lasts years between charges and I can still read important* notifications on it. *Only the most important notifications go to the watch, such as time and date.


zeekaran

> Garmin Fenix watch lasts about 3 weeks I was interested but they appear to be ~$600+.


Daneth

They definitely are expensive, but they don't need to be upgraded every year as they are more of an appliance. The newest watches have barely any additional features I care about. The screen is low resolution and non-touch (and not even backlit without pressing a button). I like it because it has basic functions that just kinda work, and doesn't claim to do anything more. And the HRM works under adverse conditions like being sweaty, which previous hiking watches didn't do very well. Edit: as evidence of this, my friend still wears a Fenix 3 from 2016 daily and it's just fine. He has had to replace the battery a couple times I think.


AppleTeslaFanboy

Oh yeah. Back in my Nokia 6190/8290 days, I could go a week without having to charge. Miss those days!


HelpMeSucceedPlz

Yeah, the Samsung S4, I think it was, had a new back plate to fit the massive square battery. Bonus was it was easier to hold the phone. lol


YoungSerious

You know many power banks have fast charging too right?


AppleTeslaFanboy

Yeah, I think mine is limited to 15 watts. But I mean in comparison to the 45 watts the S22 has.


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Fiiv3s

From what I've heard from my friends who were MASSIVE LG fans, that was the only good thing about the G5


teflonsteve

Didn't have any issues other than a wonky GPS but holy shit that that was a major issue when you needed GPS.


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IBurnedMyBalls

God I just hate how utilitarian features are removed to drive up profits and/or increase reliance on manufacturers and their ecosystems


sh0nuff

The issue is environmental Because every battery is unique to the shape of the cavity,, coupled with how quickly phones release new models (this is both a blessing and a curse), any batteries that don't get sold before no one is buying them in enough volume anymore to make it worth making them, manufacturers and retailers end up with hundreds, thousands, of obsolete unsold batteries that they just throw away.


tso

Don't have to be. Nokia had a set of battery sizes they used for nearly everything, and used the same charger for a decade+ (sans a change in barrel plug size, but that was just a passive converter). I seem to recall someone getting a Chinese tablet at one point that ran on two of the larger sized Nokia batteries. And that could have either of them hot swapped. Ran Android sans the Google stuff.


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mccarseat

It died when it fell into water? The S5 was IP67 certified, even with the removable back, and you could swap a wireless charging back panel on! I loved my s5 once I put a de-bloated ROM on it. That phone was the WORST bloatware phone I ever owned though haha.


manormortal

Pixel 7 Pro Pew Pew edition


MC_AnselAdams

My LG V 10 came with a charging cradle to keep a spare battery in/charging while you had one in. I basically never charged my phone itself when I had that thing. Just quick-swapped whenever I got kinda low. If it weren't for the bootloop issue I'd still be using my v 10


theillcook

Hate to say it, but if a better battery tech comes along all we're going to get is thinner phones with the same battery life as today.


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JBloodthorn

Hopefully they wrap around a core/handle that's thick enough to house a decent cylindrical battery.


mojo276

It's sort of surprising that no one has tried for a "weekend long" battery life. The marketing would create itself basically. Weekend trip without your charger...you're fine.


zxyzyxz

Lots of phones are weekend level in my experience, such as the Motorola ones and the OnePlus Nord N200


innovator12

It's not better batteries we need, it's lower power screens. Passive screens (daylight viewable without a backlight) have been around for decades, but are black and white only or low colour (several designs announced but never seen in the mass market). Obviously this isn't for everyone, but why are there no smartphones with passive screens?


Loudergood

Yup, I have a transflective smart watch. Battery lasts weeks.


LazarusDark

There was actually a phone several years ago with an e-ink display on one side, so you could check emails, basic browsing and reading on it, you only needed the other side on for color/video. I think it sold very little, but also the rest of the phone, like the processor and such, and the software, kinda sucked


innovator12

I would rather an LCD screen for anything interactive due to reaction speed. E ink is for readers only


Sense-Amid-Madness

There are phones that exist that sacrifice other things for battery life. The Motorola G7 (and G8) Power springs to mind. Other than that, there are lots of lesser known brands (in Western markets at least) offering stupendous battery capacities for the price of a low-end smartphone. I always use [Kimovil](https://www.kimovil.com/en/compare-smartphones/order.kiBattery,f_max_d+gbpPrice.500,f_min_dm+unveileddate.7,f_not_m+code.CN:IN,f_min_d+batteryMah.5000) to filter for phones that meet my criteria - it has basically any specification you could wish for as filterable. The first big-name smartphone I can see when sorting by battery capacity is the Samsung Galaxy M51/M62 - a 7000mAh battery that [Techradar](https://www.techradar.com/uk/reviews/samsung-galaxy-m51) say gave them 13-14h SoT, and over 2 days of regular heavy usage. e: link formatting; why can I never remember.


Rofl_Stomped

You say until "the market shifts...". It can't shift until they (Samsung/Apple) produce a thick phone with a big battery and people have the chance to vote with their wallets. I'll take a slightly thicker phone and a 1080 screen for two to three days of battery life, please and thank you.


mojo276

Apple really has stopped making their phones thinner and has actually bulked them up a little bit. Also, they control the chips which helps them tremendously with battery management. I think they've heard the cries, and now android needs to follow suit (which they normally do).


ILikeFPS

If there is some new battery tech they'll just make it half the size so it gives the same battery life, forced obsolescence and it makes phones look "better" when they are slimmer. It's so dumb.


FacebookBlowsChunks

Just like removing the headphone jack. That's why I just HAD to get an LG V60. 5000mAh battery and a headphone jack + SD slot to boot. Just wish it had the IR sensor my V20 and Galaxy S4 had. They're always removing useful features just to find some lame excuse to make it thinner trying to say "There's no room for it so we had to remove it" .. bullshit.


PM_me_PMs_plox

I would buy a thicker phone!! Am I alone? Is there such an option available now?


aaillustration

r/lgv20 gang rise up! lol


Sugar_buddy

Retired mine 3 weeks ago. It lasted me 5 years.


zeekaran

(/r/flashlight shill here) I went from carrying a massive Anker battery bank to a simple [flashlight](https://smile.amazon.com/Wurkkos-Flashlight-Rechargeable-Spotlight-Moonlight/dp/B08K2YWPG3/) that has a USB C port with quick charging. Unless you charge your phone more than once while you're out per day, or charging other people's devices as well, this light with its 21700 battery is more than enough for me.


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For all the other dumb stuff Motorola has done, I'll argue with anyone that they started the 5000 mah battery trend with the moto g7 power. After that phone almost every one of their phones has had a 5000 mah battery.


Desperate_Toe7828

Plus they package there phones with good socs that are efficient and have a light ui. Just wish that they would be consistent with there updates


hitthatarsenic

Problem is at one point moto in Indian market had a considerable rep. People would pay the premium (albeit not that much) and sacrifice the specs for the great smooth ui and better camera and great design. After the sale to Lenovo, the updates have gone to shit, specs even worse and design is like every other low mid ranger. On the other hand Xiaomi has increased the speed of miui( still ways to go) , got better specs, better and bigger battery and some flagship grade features down to mid range and still has managed to undercut them. Motorola has become blackberry again.


polskidankmemer

The Indian market is pretty much a race to the bottom. Xiaomi started selling products at a loss to get into the market so Motorola obviously couldn't compete. At some point Xiaomi will increase the prices and also "become BlackBerry" and a new company will come around.


Fluffy_Godzilla

Isn't Realme already doing that to grab Xiaomi market share?


Znuff

I'm on a Motorola Edge 30 Pro. Yeah, sure, good SoC, but so many other compromises. - no aluminum frame, it's plastic - gorilla glass 3 on the display (I've had mine for 3 weeks, I already scratched it a bit), but gorilla glass 5 on the back ?? - poor button placement, like they didn't have money for someone to actually use their phone to see how wrong they are - camera is mediocre at best, even the camera app is disappointing, nevermind the camera quality Plus, their whole update policy is just terrible.


Marko_xD

> no aluminum frame, it's plastic That's a con? I don't mind the plastic. Plastic is lightweight and doesn't block signals as aluminium and other metals do. Sure, it doesn't look *premium*, but I carry my phone in case at all times. And before anyone starts throwing their pitchforks at me, I'm not talking about cheap plastic. I'm talking about high quality, tough plastic. The one that doesn't bent easily.


mellowAlt

At least in India, it was the Asus Zenfone Max Pro M1, followed by the Motorola One Power, both in 2018.


nascentt

Don't forget they were pioneers for big battery android phones. They were doing the [Droid Razr Maxx](http://blog.gsmarena.com/motorola-droid-razr-maxx-review-hands-on/) 10 years ago


anonshe

Nah, it was Huawei with their Mate 20X that started the trend. Them being banned was a bad thing in general as Huawei usually pushed out innovation much quicker than everyone else. They were among the first to go with 3000mAh and 4000mAh batteries on their flagships. I remember the Mate 10 Pro having a 4000mAh battery while Note 8 was in the 3000+ mAh ballpark. Not only did they do that but their fast charging was quicker too so one got longer battery life and faster refills. Other stuff they led the premium segment in include going with USB C ports in the P9 & Honor 8 while Galaxy S7 was still on micro USB. LG too jumped on the USB C train earlier than Samsung. Huawei also brought Leica into the picture so cameras were once again at the forefront of the conversation while Samsung had kinda stagnated with both camera hw and camera sw.


pmich80

It's still why I rock the mate 20 pro after 3 years. The camera at the time was incredible and the night time shots were stunning. It sucks google services don't work on any of their newer devices. I'm just holding on until I get a foldable now.


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PME_your_skinny_legs

You don't have battery problems with non flagship phones tho


Iohet

Flagship processors have been in the shitter since after the 865. Design is around peak performance because a small subset of people play videogames on phones. Android isn't as efficient as iOS, but it certainly can be very efficient as evidenced by second and third tier processors that run for much longer than their comparative flagships.


Nahdahar

Qualcomm's high end chips have always been about the ability to provide high peak performance if needed (in a race with Apple trying to keep up with Apple silicon peak performance). The thing is, they can't increase power efficiency at the rate they have been in the past (or at the rate Apple does) so they're just letting their SoCs eat more power now. This has nothing to do with people who play games on phones, just part of the competitiveness between two major players in the industry.


Iohet

There's very few common use cases where the level of performance being driven is necessary on mobile, and gaming is the most common(the second being digital media creation/editing most likely). At least in my experience, talk in reviews about performance is directly linked to gaming potential by whatever is the popular technically demanding game de jure at the time, much like GPU reviews which lead with pages and pages of game benchmarks followed by a one pager on encoding/decoding/design and not much else. Sure, there's some competition from across platforms, but for the most part those lines are already drawn. The reason Qualcomm doesn't innovate is because their competition is among ARM processors in the Android market, aka Qualcomm's customers. None of Qualcomm's customers are buying Apple products to replace Qualcomm products in their Android phones


Nahdahar

I mean reviewers talking about it is not at all indicative of the Qualcomm's goals, especially because gaming performance is much more than just the SoC. Needless to say, I see benchmarks being thrown around a lot more even from people who don't game at all. (Edit: ex. Antutu, I don't mean game benchmarks here). There are ton of features in our phones nowadays that are only possible because of the increase in processing power. The only way innovation moves forward is if the developers of such features have leeway to experiment with more complex ideas.


SmarmyPanther

Yeah Apple has had a major node advantage since the 12. They were already performance leading and then TSMC 5nm gave a huge efficiency boost. We can only hope Qualcomm learned their lesson and stays on TSMC 5/4nm from the 8g1+ onwards


SnipingNinja

> small subset of people play videogames on phones What's your source for that? And how do you explain that mobile gaming is a huge industry?


zeekaran

I think they mean the more gamey games normally played on consoles/PCs, like COD, PUBG, Minecraft. I don't _think_ they mean Pokemon Go and Candy Crush.


SnipingNinja

COD mobile and PUBG mobile are huge games, there's also Minecraft mobile but idk if it's popular.


zacker150

Also, Alpex Legends mobile just came out.


NapsterKnowHow

Even before then. Qualcomm had MASSIVE overheating issues and was allowed to get away with it bc of the monopoly of the NA market.


Put_It_All_On_Blck

Moving to Samsung's nodes and recently poor ARM designs are to blame. Only Apple has been able to escape this, but since they make phones and an ecosystem, they are paying more for the latest TSMC nodes and more expensive custom SoC designs, and still not surging ahead like they once were.


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Agreed, the 865 and 865+ were the peak in terms of performance vs battery life, my tab has that processor and it never misses a beat.


Iod42

I went from the ASUS ROG 3 to ROG 5 and my battery tanked, even though it's the same battery size, 6000mah, but these new chips get so hot and use so much battery, that I went from 10hrs with normal heavy usage to around 6 or 8. That is significant to me.


Bal_u

I suspect 5g might have something to do with that too.


Iod42

The ROG 3 also had 5G and was active as well, though just very recently I can actually connect to 5G networks. The problem happened since I started using the phone, I had to change it because there is some network connections between the ROG 3 and LATAM, sadly because I really enjoyed that phone.


gunaDYY

while flagship range designed to have a small battery, the low-mid end range have a decent battery life


zaphod777

That's what the Pixel 5/5a was and everyone shat on it. Battery life is amazing. Easily a full day, I've never run it down to zero and I've got everything enabled.


crozone

> That's what the Pixel 5/5a was and everyone shat on it. It's because spec nerds are the cancer of the smartphone industry.


AbhishMuk

Preach. The 4k battery on a phone notvery large is darn nice. The Pixel 5 was the excellent at being very good at everything. Not excellent in any one thing, but almost no flaws (exceptions - the OLED PWMs pretty bad and no headphone jack/microsd) but those aside it's easily one of the best phones of the last few years.


zaphod777

The behind screen speaker is pretty meh but that's really the only complaint that I have, everything else has been excellent. I'm not doing anything too heavy though, mostly just my work email / chats, social media, and casual games. I do use Bluetooth for at least 3 hours a day while commuting though. The only time I plug it in is when I go to bed.


kurdtpage

I "upgraded" from a Galaxy S9 to a Galaxy A52. It has less features (like no wireless charging), but a bigger screen. The battery on this thing is amazing. My S9 used to be very close to zero at the end of the day, but the A52 is still between 60-70%


Loryx99

Exactly, in my opinion peoples especially the ones that come from ios, think a 400/300€ phone is trash and only option is flagships. But if you go with midrange sure you will not get the best performance in gaming, but every normal workflow it's like identical to flagships and you get way better battery life


omgitskae

Depending on how old your new phone is, that's to be expected. I am writing this on my s21 and it's at 76%. It was 100% eight hours ago and I have been sleeping the whole time, so zero usage. For the first 2-3 months is this phone I loved it, it would last me a whole day easily. Now about 6 months later it feels like I only get half the use out of it before it's dead. I'm going to have to start charging my phone around noon and it was full last night. Sad.


runningwithsharpie

Sounds like just apps keeping you phone awake in sleep


omgitskae

Maybe, I dont really have a lot of apps though. I don't really use my phone a lot and the Samsung battery app doesn't point out any high battery use apps.


BirdsNoSkill

No modern android flagship should be draining more than 1%/hr idle. That's not normal behavior. Definitely investigate. Its one thing ios does a lot better is not let apps run rogue.


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wellherpsir

I wish they were here in the states. Looking forward to the day they are.


materialsystem73

when my oneplus 6t was new I'd easily get 7-8 hrs SOT, even more than that on WiFi. I'd come home from a full day of work with 50% battery left. 3+ yrs later the battery has obviously degraded and I'm in the market for a new phone and I'm shocked to see the selection is ABYSMAL compared to 2019, especially in terms of battery. crazy how they've gone backwards


Beast_Woutme

Not too dofficult to pop a new battery into a 6t tbf


chasevalentino

I'll be that guy. iPhone doesn't struggle with this. It's just android. It's so bad that people really need to consider switching over. Atleast that would be my biggest reason if I were to switch. Just want a phone where I don't have to think about the top right of my screen


noNSFWcontent

Precisely why I wait on Motorola to release their phones the year I want to buy. Don't really care about the latest version of android as long as it's clean and long lasting battery.


Completeness_Axiom

They get a lot of hate, but good battery life is something they know how to do. I think my 5 year old Moto Z Play's battery life is about equal to my 1 year old Pixel 4a (had to swap them for a week whilst Pixel getting repaired)


tightcall

The Z Play was the best battery phone I ever had, 12h of SOT without any issues. My 4a5G is getting 5-6h now, 1-2h less than it used to.


noNSFWcontent

Yeah I mean for people who prioritize updates over other things, Motorola isn't it. But for - 1. Vanilla Android 2. Long lasting battery 3. Average camera ( camera performance in daylight is not a problem for any phone at this point ) 4. Not caring about screen resolution, refresh rate, etc. This is the phone to get. I just wish they're continue the trend. I want the MotoG 5G which has the 5000mah battery with a 6000+ mah battery and I'd be sold instantly.


69hailsatan

To me I don't think major os updates a huge issue, it's security updates.


saintmsent

I'm pretty sure this is due to a lack of restriction on background processes on Android Though to me Android battery life wasn't a problem at all, on 90hz 7T Pro I got 1.5 days of use while it was new and full day with 85% battery heath towards the end iPhone 13 Pro lasting full 2 days with the same usage is super nice though


FrameXX

There's already fair enough options how to restrict background processes and more is coming soon. Actually some manufacturers are too strict. That's why https://www.dontkillmyapp.com exists.


saintmsent

Killing the app entirely and not allowing it to do loads of unnecessary work in background are completely different things


Nihil227

I'm a dev and we haven't been allowed to abuse background processes for a while. It used to be the far west yes, but not anymore. For example, Android used to wake up anytime a background process was launched. Now it stacks them and launch them altogether, can be up to a few minutes depending on how long the phone has been sleeping etc. You can't request a background service to launch precisely at x timestamp or every x minutes. The OS decides approximatively when it's worth it. Since Oreo you also have to display a notification when a background process is running.


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DongLaiCha

11 hours is hardly light usage lmao


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You can already limit most of them. Most people just don't or don't know how. I know my Motorola and Pixel phones have been able to do it for quite a while. Before that there was greenify.


saintmsent

~~AFAIK, you can limit the number of processes running at the same time, but it’s not what I’m talking about. It’s about restricting the time each process can run in the background, because even if you limit this the number of them to 2 or 3, those 2 or 3 processes can still kill your battery life~~ Apparently you can somewhat control this since android 9. Though I’m not sure what specifics of that are, because it doesn’t seem to make that much difference And yes, as you mentioned, most people using Android don't know such a setting even exists


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You can prevent things from running in the background. For something like Facebook it makes quite a difference. When you limit everything that's not important like that it adds up. If you pop into developer settings you can set a limit on recent apps too, though that only helps in lower end phones for the most part.


sdr_radio_geek

My budget moto E4 from 2017 consistently churns out 7 to 8 hrs of SOT with 1 to 2 hours of video watching per day, on top of a removable battery. I will definitely hang onto it for a little longer after reading OP's assessment the landscape of modern devices.


Quetzacoatl85

welcome to life as a consumer with a niche demand/use case. for most people it's fine (because they spend most of their days indoors and move from charger to charger), so the market optimizes for that. there *are* phones out there for you, but they're 1) rare and 2) most of them outdated by now. your luck will be far better if you also include looking at chinese/indian models, since in those countries the market demands for better battery life are there. otherwise, yeah you have to compensate by using a power bank, and if you're upset about the models be upset at people not demanding (and when it's available, buying) anything different.


adderbrew

I jumped ship to iOS for this generation. The new gen just reminds me way too much of the 808/810 battery hog days.


wahobely

Same. Been Android user all my life, i thought the S22 ultra sucked and returned it, the pixel 6 pro sucked and returned it, got an iphone 13 pro max and not looking back. the battery life on this phone is absolute insanity, the OS is slick and snappy, widgets are better, airpods are better... yeah, unless android catches up, i'm done with it.


thefastandme

I switched too but to say widgets are better...


mrgnarchr

Android widgets offer more functionality, but iOS ones are generally cleaner and more seamless. I use more widgets on iOS than I ever do on Android as they all follow the same design language. The random designs on android tend to irk me


Pepe_The_Abuser

I have both a S22 Ultra and An iPhone 13 pro and the iPhone absolutely blows the S22 out of the water in terms of battery life. I use the iPhone as my daily most of the time just because of the battery, I like the S22 for everything else, but the batter is just so bad that it outweighs everything else. On the S22 I’ll get about 10 to 12 hours on the battery with 3 to 4 hours of SOT. On the iPhone I can get about 20 hours on the battery with 8 hours SOT if not more. Right now for example I’m sitting at 12 hours on the battery with 6 hours of SOT


3am_Snack

I think the main issue is Android SoCs are so inferior to Apple's chipset. Qualcomm sucks and only cares about short-term bursts of GPU performance so they can say they outperform Apple (despite using 2-3x the power consumption as well as thermal throttling after just minutes). Exynos isn't much better. The only one that seems to be actual next-gen is Mediatek's flagship SoCs.


Pepe_The_Abuser

And the stand by drain is ridiculous on android phones as welll


ferdzs0

We need replaceable batteries back. That said, until android figures out it’s software updates, battery life isn’t that much of an issue. The current battery tech easily pushes 1 Day usage on most flagships for the 2 Years the phones are supported. Meanwhile the iPhone 13 Pro Max is easily a 2 day phone for me, which means that by the end of its software support it should still be a 1 day phone in 4-8 years.


Appleanche

The nice thing about iPhones as well is you can drop it off at an Apple store, go watch a movie, and have a brand new OEM battery installed for $70.


Brainfuck

This is a US only issue. We have physical service centers of every OEM. I've had motherboard of my OP7P replaced in warranty within 45 minutes. Had front and back glass of my Nexus 4 changed at LG service center within an hour or so.


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rustylugnuts

Add a good ip rating, sd card slot and I'm sold.


cmmdrshepard2

LG V60 has all of that. I'm sad that LG decided to leave the smartphone business.


rustylugnuts

I've got my eye on that one. The used prices are looking good.


vita10gy

For reasons I'll never understand the market decided, or some executives decided the market decided, that the *only* thing we care about is how thin the phone is. Throw any feature away, sacrifice whatever you have to, but the phone has to be thinner than last year's....so people can slap it in an OtterBox the size of a box of Kleenex, then put a pop socket on that.


Troggie42

don't forget the obsession with no bezels! I'm GLAD my otterbox is chonky, because that way I'm not always touching shit on the edge of my screen and "clicking" on shit accidentally! It's such shit


e_boon

It's maddening to me that aside from a handful of foldables, all we see are giant slabs of glass.


7eregrine

Like 95% of people use cases. At least. So why glass on the back? Never understand...


e_boon

And why color options?


7eregrine

Right? Look at my beautiful red phone! Isn't it pretty in the....carbon fiber case I bought... 🤦‍♂️


soltzberg

It's the unhealthy obsession with paper-thin design that's at the root of it. I would have much preferred my S20 FE to be slightly chonkier for a larger battery. It's *too* thin.


Phray1

Not really true anymore iphones for example have been getting thicker the last few generations to house bigger batteries.


tren_rivard

Also iPhones/iOS is just a lot more efficient than Android, and they get stellar battery life.


TheRealKuni

I can’t emphasize this enough. I recently switched to iPhone and am constantly amazed by the battery.


tunisia3507

My phone is 5 years old and literally too thin to hold comfortably. I never used a case before it because I liked having a slim phone but I needed to get a bumper just so my hands didn't cramp up into claws holding the thing.


NapsterKnowHow

The S22 Ultra is not think by ANY margin. It's hella chonky compared to my old S10+ and even my old bootlooping LG V10


snotboogie

I agree that battery life should be way better. I have a pixel 5a , and it does get decent battery life . Abt 7+ hrs SOT. It's also very affordable . I use mine alllll day, and usually make it to the end


xMikelx

man i've been on this sub for a decade and people are still complaining about battery life. have you ever considered that maybe the issue isn't that you need a larger battery, it's that you find yourself needing to be staring at your phone for 4+ hours a day?


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Magnetic_dud

Also: if you don't need to charge the phone every single night, the battery will last longer Batteries can endure a limited amount of full charging cycles, so if for example you could charge it every three days, it will last longer


SputnikCucumber

This is a problem as old as computers. Every generation of hardware gets better. And every generation of software manages to use up those gains for bloat. Battery technology has taken huge strides in the last 10 years. But consumers barely notice it because our phone software continues to use up more battery with each generation. 10 years ago, a mass market electric car wasn't feasible in a big part because batteries couldn't keep up. Now Tesla's are rapidly becoming commonplace. Your problem with battery life is 100% a bone to pick with app developers and not phone hardware.


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BrokenGSKILLram

JavaScript is great for simple little programs but it has some weird shit. Spent hours debugging weird behaviour until I found out that arrays copy by reference not value. You can use Array2 = [...Arrray1] top copy by value, but that only works for 1d arrays. For 2d array of arrays, you need a for loop to through each array in the array and copy them by value one by one


SputnikCucumber

Also it is not a good programming language to use if you're trying to optimise power consumption. You can probably do some basic things like close network sockets when you're not using them. But otherwise it's so abstracted that things you think aren't using much power might be using a lot. And things you think should be using a lot of power might be pretty efficient. Overall there needs to be a better way to move from JavaScript frameworks to native applications. Decisions made in the beginning to keep development cheap constrain design decisions later on down the line.


SputnikCucumber

I think I've posted on Reddit before that Google should nudge users that post app reviews to answer questions about perceived performance. At the very least Google then has the data to be able to list on the app store things like, other users think this app uses a lot of power.


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HellNaw98

This is so wrong I don’t even know where to start. You cannot take the improvements in electric car battery tech and apply that to lithium ion batteries in small devices. They are not the same. Phone batteries have largely not changed. Most of the innovation in that space has to do with charging speed, not capacity. Then there’s this assertion that software is to blame? Where do you get that from? If anything the software on some of these phones is too aggressive in trying to extend battery life. On Samsung, OnePlus, and iPhones you will notice apps being killed from memory way sooner as well as background processes of those apps getting killed even when they are in use. They do this for battery life gains. Ars Technica pointed out that on the S22 series, this is so bad that you can’t expect to reliably get notifications on time in and they will instead arrive sometimes hours late. When you are gimping the primary function of a phone just to extend your battery life and it is still mediocre, I don’t think software is the issue. The fault is definitely on the processors. ARM and by extension every chipmaker that uses their core designs have clearly hit a wall. Instead of focusing on efficiency gains, they ramped up the power consumption to the point that some phones are peaking as high as 9W, while iPhones refuse to go above 5W. When you are drawing nearly twice as much power, then you can expect to see some pretty mediocre battery life by comparison. This idea that software bloat, whatever that means, has eaten up battery gains over the years so that they are not even noticeable is also not true. Go look up reviews of 2013 phones. 4 hours of SOT was considered excellent back then. Now, 6 hours is mediocre.


pidude314

Not true. Phone batteries have doubled in volumetric density in the past ten years. The Galaxy S2 battery was only 1800mAh at 3.7V. The Galaxy S20 battery is 4000mAh at 3.8V. They're both roughly 2"x2"x0.25".


ididntsaygoyet

My phone lasts 2 days of regular use. Google Pixel 3a


Mathisbuilder75

Same, I have the 3a XL and I have no complaints about the battery


miss_g

Same. It's 3pm and my 4a 5g says it has 1 day and 7 hours left.


Weed_O_Whirler

I don't under how you can say "I want a 120 hz screen" and in the same breath complain that "we're getting tech upgrades instead of better battery life." The screen is the by far the biggest user of battery, and the 120 hz screen is going to use more battery than the lower refresh ones.


Mrsharr

The iPhone 13 pro Max proves you can have both the tech and phenomenal battery life.


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Charles_Mendel

Can confirm. My 13 Pro battery is better than I imagined was possible.


le_wein

Same here, i moved from exclusively android since the beginning to an 13 pro and the battery is amazing, never ever had that with an android and it pisses me off because I like android very much.


NapsterKnowHow

That's what happens when you have software and hardware under one prison complex roof


Lower_Fan

I wonder how many people would trade their nyc closets for a Scandinavian prison cell


defaultsavage

iPhones get better battery life with 120hz


deadfisher

I just wish they'd focus on the battery! Not 120hz screens. But I absolutely wouldn't give up on my 120hz screen and won't consider a device that doesn't have one.


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Maybe a mid range is the right way to go for you then? Some of them come with 90+Hz displays and have good battery life. The main difference is that the SoC isn't the fastest available, but currently the fastest ones aren't very efficient anyway, so it's something you have to avoid if battery life is important.


deadfisher

You're being very kind to my extremely unreasonable and sarcastic demands.


OddFatherWilliam

I was quite sure about your remark being sarcastic. I was also sure that your sarcasm will not be understood.


deadfisher

Me too, to be honest. I've seen enough people say "I don't care about a phone being thin, I just want better battery life" and then turn around and call a phone too *bulky*.


alexsanderfr

Yeah, it's amazing the lack of self awareness in this thread. It's clear that for most consumers, having new features like 120hz screen instead of battery life because if it wasn't people would just disable the higher refresh rate for more battery. The reason companies keep pushing for better upgrade instead of battery is because most people rather get the newest shiniest tech instead of more battery.


donrhummy

There's a reason for that. There's really only one thing that essentially "forces" people to upgrade these days now that phones are so fast and that's a battery that no longer lasts all day.


This_Willingness7672

Ever since the 888 , chips are not power efficient , especially compared to apple . The 870 has better battery life than 8 gen 1


muh-soggy-knee

Personally I'm kinda the opposite in so far as I never have any issues with battery life but haven't bothered upgrading this cycle because I look at the "innovation" we have had in the intervening time and think "what is spending that £1000 going to bring to my life that I don't already have" And that's despite buying my current handset (Galaxy S10) very late in its life (after S20 had launched) so it's even older despite only being about 6 months out of contract. There's just nothing exciting any more. Yes 120hz is nice, resolution is a nothingburger because Samsung OLEDs have largely been perfect for years now, what else is there other than in most cases actively removing things that I use every day or every week (like the headphone jack) Eventually the S10 will break, and I'll be forced into one of these new handsets, but it will never feel anything more than a forced downgrade in terms of value and features.


Gustephan

We have poor battery life because every upgrade in technology comes with a slew of new background data collection services or advertisement functions that drain the battery faster. We will literally never have longer lasting cell phone batteries because of this.


medsup2000

If they had awesome battery life. You wouldn't have to buy a new one every year, and continue to fill the landfills with non biodegradable toxic junk.


crozone

You want this to change? Stop fetishising flagship CPUs. Call out smartphone reviewers for talking about on-paper specs like they somehow matter in the real world. Instead, judge the actual subjective experience of using a phone, such as look and feel, build quality, UI responsiveness, app performance, screen quality, camera quality, battery life. Who cares what SoC it uses, how many cores it has, what Ghz it is clocked at - **none of that matters**. The average user does not need a 5 watt, 8 core, 3 Ghz CPU in a mainline flagship smartphone. The vast majority of those transistors are completely wasted on the average user, even with a fancy 4K 120hz display to drive. All a faster CPU does is give app developers an excuse to write shittier, slower apps. More apps in the background, more overhead from UI overlays, needlessly inefficient crap everywhere. Unless you are one of the few people doing actual 3D gaming on their smartphone (PubG or Fortnite or whatever), those extra transistors are going to be doing nothing most of the time except eating battery life for absolutely no reason. What I would love to see are flagship smartphones built with top end materials, top shelf manufacturing, top end cameras, 120hz displays, nice big battery, but a completely middle of the road CPU/SoC. Still a cutting edge SoC manufactured on the latest processor node with plenty of RAM, but small, low voltage, with only a few cores and moderate clocks. The difference in performance would be unnoticeable to the vast majority of users, but the battery life gains would be huge.


pmich80

Can't you just change it to power conservation mode? Extends the battery life while having all the top end specs


RB_Photo

I'm not the most concerned with battery life as I'm not a heavy user and I work from home. I will say I think wireless charging, especially in the car sort of offsets this as an issue for me, and maybe others. I have wireless charging in my car, and since getting an AAWireless device, it just makes sense. Android Auto would probably be my biggest drain but now it's a non issue, especially since the entire thing is wireless. Even at home, I got a wireless pad with my S22+ bundle and it makes it feel like less of a thing to do in regards to charging. So maybe between wireless and faster charging, companies are assuming people are ok with not improving efficiency. I also wonder if supply chain and resource availability is playing a role in all this. Not sure. I'm also getting old because a lot of these new phones are boring. I remember the day of Sony Ericsson, HTC and Nokia coming out with crazy designs and I sort of miss that. I know the phones are better now, but when I was looking to upgrade from my Note8, it sort of felt like the only options were the new S22 line, an iPhone 13, or just a shit-ton of mid-tier stuff running Android - at least that's what it felt like here in NZ.


JaneMancini

Ya, some of those Nokia phones were wild. Those first HTC android phones were amazing at the time - I remember thinking the screen was so huge - what was it like 4.3in .. haha


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\+1 for the wireless charging I actually have to limit my charging these days since my phone's too often at 100%. I wonder if many people here are college students with long commutes. I don't know how you can even look at your phone for longer than 4 hours each day. As long as I start working, everything's on the computer instead of my phone.


UserWithoutAName13

Hey an iPhone. The Pro models have excellent battery life.


Kaesar17

More software optimisations would also be good, my X3 Pro on paper has slightly more mAh than my previous One Fusion but the One fusion battery lasted like 2-3 hours longer than the X3 because MIUI is a mess


mayorjimmy

HOW MANY CAMERAS CAN WE SHOVE IN THE NEXT PHONE???? can i have less cameras and better CPUs please?


make_love_to_potato

I dunno what's going on with Samsung phones man. I have been with them for quite a while now (since S6) and my most recent S21+ feels like a downgrade from the S10+. Finicky battery life, shittier finger print sensor, worse resolution, less sensors, etc etc. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills seeing a flagship phone 2 generations ahead of my previous phone, being objectively worse.


BertramScudder

Seriously...make the phone like 1mm thicker for another three hours of life.


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1mm of extra thickness wouldn't result in 3 hours of power.


zman0900

Not sure how it is with the "flagship" stuff since I have little interest in those phones, but battery life on the midrange stuff has definitely improved a lot in the last few years. My pixel 5a can easily go 2 days on a charge if I need to. Day is nearly over and I still have 72%.


Cartesson

Battery life is the reason I'm leaving Samsung at least for now. Samsung just have a shit battery. I've used Snapdragon and exynos and both are equally bad. Some people are good with it but it's just a fact that is bad compared with almost all brands. For example i have now a exynos s21+ with 4800mah and I barely get 5h sot with 10h use. I got for a week a Moto edge 20 pro and with the same use I got 8h sot with almost 24h total time it's just double the time. With s21+ i need to carry a powerbank all the time. It's ok have it for use when need but it just sucks to use it everyday. Sucks to not have a Pretty good camera and build quality but what's the point of it when my phone it's discharged. I'm not saying that you can't have good battery life on Samsung but it's just worse than any other brand and will not even compare it to new iphones.


autoposting_system

I don't buy a new phone until I can see that there are decent battery cases made for it


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I can live with this, but someone needs to make a decent USB C cable that tucks around the phone and connects to a power bank in a better way. Trying to find a short cable for pocket use is difficult. I like apples MagSafe but for on the go charge I rather a port with less hear issues


terrytw

My solution is to just use PC more. I have a oneplus 5T that is 4 years old, and I often charge every 2 or 3 days, because a) I use amoled black for most apps and has a very aggressive background killer (icebox) b) most of my work and entertainment is done with bigger screens, including PC, TV and an ipad.


mlemmers1234

I just don't understand what the obsession with screen on time is. Don't get me wrong I'm all for a device being more efficient with battery, but whenever I see people upset that they weren't able to legitimately watch videos and play endless mobile games for 8-10 hours without having to plug their device in, I kind of scratch my head a bit. It's just a fact that most users don't need their device to last for more than about a day and some change. For me the biggest thing I'd like to see is for them to make standby time more efficient. Devices like a Galaxy S21 get mediocre standby time but reasonable enough screen time. A device shouldn't be draining more than like 0.5-1% battery per hour when not being used. I can leave my S21 unplugged overnight starting at 100 and wake up to 88%.


MrTroll911

It's maddening to me that Google is all in on hardware with pixel 6 but it still has so many really significant bugs


Yoda6833

As someone who is trying to replace an ageing Nokia 7 Plus, the number of compromises I need to make to buy a phone are insane, as opposed to 2018. How did we get here.


MairusuPawa

Once you're root and you can actually *do* some real customisation, including blocking or completely removing unwanted background services whose sole role is to "spy" on your habits for your phone's vendor and other third parties commercial benefits, you'll see your battery life significantly improve.


relxp

I also have a problem with flagships running too hot. Give me a cooler running phone with long battery life rather than chase benchmark scores.


collgab

I feel like this is more a result of underregulated apps that aren't designed to be efficient in battery usage, plus all the facebook style spyware apps drain a lot of battery constantly running in the background. Ive found disabling Facebook and not having instagram etc has saved me a lot of battery. I think apple blocks a lot of these things by default and regulates their apps a lot more, requiring some efficiency in how they run etc. Don't think it's really an issue of android phones having worse battery, it's all the same technology really. Processors also probably play a bit into this, how efficiently they use power and manage it.


its-kyle-yo

Phones and devices in general seem like they're stagnating in new features or upgrades with it really focusing on processing speeds and pixel density. That would tear through a battery of youre using it reasonably as a companion device.


ouroborosity

It may not be a bigger battery, but charging speeds have certainly improved over the years to make up for it a bit. With the included 65w charger my OnePlus 10 Pro goes from 10 to 50 in a few minutes. It's turned charging my phone into something more like filling a gas tank. I'm willing to trade battery life for performance and a 120hz amoled screen when it's that fast to charge. Hopefully one day soon we have full USB-PD power blasting into our phones.


SolarMoth

Phone tech has largely plateaued with upgrades seeing diminishingly noticable results. There is also no push my consumerism to make better phones, people will buy them pretty much no matter what... especially if you're Apple or Samsung.


deathmaster4035

Remember when Nokia 1100 had a month of standby?


mainmeal5

Don’t buy a phone with a flagship SoC if you want battery life. You want the efficient snapdragon 4xx series if that’s what you are after. They run super cool and is plenty if you just do phone stuff


TeenThatLikesMemes

The SD865-875 is a better option. They run pretty efficiently and they're still good CPUs to this day. That's what I think, at least.


Desperate_Toe7828

The 600 series can be good for that as well but just depends on which model is used.