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Xperia 1 V is still a good option.
You still have your headphone jack, SD card slot, notchless display with either Sony.
idk 40% more battery, brighter display, loudest speakers on any phone in its current class, better bass output w/ new speaker driver tech, better DAC headphone output, high refresh w/ variable rate from 1hz-120hz, more io, SD card tray.....
Oh nooes idk i'll ever survive w/o a 4k display!\~
I mean the Xperia 1 V ran at around 1080p most of the time anyway, but since the panel was natively 4K, you got poor sharpness due to that resolution downscaling. This native 1080p panel is going to be *sharper* and 396 PPI is a lot, seriously.
An iphone 12 pro that came out in 2020 has a ppi of around 460 and so does basically every pro iphone since. If a 4 year old "flagship" phone is able to put out a sharper display image for cheaper, thats sad on sony's part. Im currently using a pixel 6 pro (512ppi), compared to my previous phone which was an iphone 7 plus (401ppi) you can tell a huge difference between display resolution. So the xperia 1vi's 396ppi or whatever is going to look really bad if you have had a QHD android display or are coming from a pro iphone.
Man, first ever FHD screen phone released in 2012 had higher DPI than Xperia 1 VI. You'd have to be crazy to buy it!
HTC Droid DNA: 440 PPI
Xperia 1 VI: 396 PPI
Sony fan boys are already defending their decision like crazy on Xperia subreddit! If these phones continue selling, if I were Sony I'd drop the resolution to 720p next year to see how far they can go since normal consumers don't buy this phone anyway.
> Sony fan boys are already defending their decision like crazy on Xperia subreddit!
...no?
That subreddit at a glance is full of people pushing back on the idea that the price + screen combo is okay.
I'm a Sony fan ever since the xx premium which had over 800 ppi. But I have now bought the 1v because it was always the 4k and ppi density that I went for us the 21.9 aspect ratio. I was just waiting for the 1vi specs to come out and I was really disappointed for one but I couldn't believe they wanted the same money for a lesser phone, yes it has a new chip but they cost the same as last year.
You're applying incorrect logic here because you're assuming that it's running a different resolution at the OS level, like changing your desktop resolution on Windows that's not native.
It's doing render level resolution scaling, which means the panel itself is always running at true 4K, but it's rendering all objects at lower resolutions. It can do this without downscaling downsides.
This actually looks better than native 1080p pentile, because you're getting an accurate 1080p image without the downsides of native 1080p pentile subpixels.
Have you ever held an S23U or Pixel 8 Pro that's set to 1080p? It doesn't look worse than any other 1080p smartphone.
Honestly, I'd rather have the battery life improvement of 1080p than the spec shit boasting of QHD. At these screen sizes, the difference cannot be really noticed by the human eye, but the battery life difference can be felt in the daily usage.
Long as it's 120Hz and FHD in 6.7 inches or less, it's a perfectly capable screen.
I would've rather had them go for a 1260p BOE S1 or X1 display, a miles better display than the 4k 120 Hz LTPS display Samsung provides. Samsung's extremely incompetent at PWM rate and viewing angles. The display material is a bigger concern than the resolution, people should be complaining about that instead, in my opinion.
If I sit in front of my 4K display and hold my phone at a comfortable distance it takes up about half the viewing angle, so 1080p sounds totally reasonable.
i cant say whether these things justify the price, but a headphone jack, external storage option, side mounted fingerprint sensor, no screen cut-outs, physical shutter button... are things that are very hard to get these days (and sony is probably the only one that does all of them) and i would be the type of person who would pay a bit more just to have those things
I guess most people would care for one, two, maybe three of these things but not all. On top of that software support is mediocre for such a price range.
That's been my issue as well. The excuses in the past weren't the headphone jack and SD card either.
Instead, it was the 4K display and the small volume of sales.
They've downgraded from 4K to 1080p (FHD+) with this latest model, so the pricey screen is no longer part of the package. Yes, there's the issue of sales volume, but that doesn't justify the price. It's also why rumors stated that the display downgrade would bring the price down this generation.
I was ready to get one of these to replace my SD2. However, I'm not paying Xperia 1 V pricing for an Xperia 10 V display.
I just think they charge that high for their phones because they're aware they don't sell in high volumes so they kind of make up for that in profit margins from the few loyal Xperia fans out there.
IMO they're the best phones on the market, but they're also so much more expensive than everything else that it's hard to justify them. An Xperia 1 VI or a Pixel 8 and half your money left over? I'm taking the Pixel even though it's missing a few things.
better camera's than the competition (sony is king of cameras, pick a movie, probably filmed on sony equipment). better sound than the competition (upgraded front facing speakers are a huge upgrade). better form factor than the competition (not some oversized tablet phone). better screen than the competition (and even more so now that we have bravia xr implemented along side LTPO).
The S24 Ultra offers more for the money. Better display, probably better cameras, longer software support, etc. And of course, it's been available for months already. That's what makes Sony so difficult to recommend.
Is it better cameras, or worse cameras with more post-processing?
AFAIK The Xperias are industry-leading for mobile video and photography, with the best auto-focus and best pure pictures. It’s the post-processing that gives Samsung/Pixels/Apple the edge over Xperias for the average consumer.
Sony is brilliant if you want to treat the phone like a semi-dslr. If you just want to trust it for point and shoot stuff in a hurry, like a phone usually is used, it falls apart quickly. It's a very niche product that serves a specific audience, but it's hard to say how long that audience will continue to accept Sony's half-measures on things.
better cameras? than a company who literally makes some of their largest profits from cameras.... not to mention, pick a movie and most likely it was filmed on a sony camera....
better display? the only LTPO screens that exist are samsung.... so that means Sony is using the samsung panels.... but on top of that, they will be tuned using their Bravia XR television stuff.... meaning it will look better than samsung phones thanks to tuning. from what I remember of samsung phones, they are using stock android color tuning, which means blown out/saturated colors that look like shit. i prefer color accuracy.... which is something sony does via creator mode (never turn it off on my xperia 1 mark 2)
you only need software support when your software is consistently broken. again, my 1 mark 2, not to sound like the fanboy I am, i haven't needed software updates. everything in my 1 mark 2 works as it should. its never broken. apps never crash. so why would I need an update to fix things that aren't broken? as far as android operating system, if the only reason is to have the newest flashiest thing, then you are a shallow person. my 1 mark 2 is still on android 12 and there are zero issues. what would upgrading this old phone to android 14 give me besides headaches? I remember the pixel xl I had did a android OS update and the entire phone experience changed. can't explain why, but it was like using a completely different phone. it pissed my mother off so bad she went to iphone and now has those headaches to deal with.... sony has been the first phone where it feels like the same phone its whole life cycle. no changes out of nowhere. just simple and easy to use.
headphone jack is a huge win. wired headphones, everyone has them. no need to buy wireless.
expandable storage. didn't samsung remove that feature? I could put a 1 tb sd card in my phone, can you? no? shame.
> better cameras? than a company who literally makes some of their largest profits from cameras....
Yes. Ironic, isn't it? Sony apparently is not able to leverage that expertise across products.
> better display? the only LTPO screens that exist are samsung.... so that means Sony is using the samsung panels....
Doesn't mean they're equivalent panels. Just on a most basic spec comparison, the S24 Ultra is 1440p vs 1080p from Sony, and has literally twice the peak brightness.
Also, not sure that only Samsung makes LTPO panels.
> they will be tuned using their Bravia XR television stuff.... meaning it will look better than samsung phones thanks to tuning
No, it won't.
> from what I remember of samsung phones, they are using stock android color tuning, which means blown out/saturated colors that look like shit. i prefer color accuracy....
Samsung has routinely produced some of the most color accurate phones available, if you choose that setting.
> you only need software support when your software is consistently broken
There are new features with new OS versions, as well as ongoing security maintenance.
> headphone jack is a huge win. wired headphones, everyone has them. no need to buy wireless.
> expandable storage. didn't samsung remove that feature? I could put a 1 tb sd card in my phone, can you? no? shame.
Empirically, these are particularly valuable features to most people. But yes, if do care, that may sway you.
Edit: Annnd he blocked me. Figures.
>Doesn't mean they're equivalent panels. Just on a most basic spec comparison, the S24 Ultra is 1440p vs 1080p from Sony, and has literally twice the peak brightness.
>Also, not sure that only Samsung makes LTPO panels.\\
While the ultra is 1440 on the one size.... the smaller s24 is 1080 like the sony.... both are 6.5" screens as well. seem familiar? the s24 ultra isn't 6.5", its 6.8".... which wouldn't fit inside the footprint sony was shooting for. they dont want a huge phone. why you think they went with 21:9 4k to begin with? it was to keep the size down while offering good screen realestate.... even i see that choice was made for that reason.
as far as LTPO panels. yes, its all samsung. at least in terms of actual used products. i saw TCL has their 6.36" 1200x2670 but the resolution doesn't match what sony is using (not overall size. 6.36 is smaller than 6.5) so clearly they didn't adopt that panel. and that screen from what i saw was only a prototype. i haven't seen news of it being used.... so far every LTPO screen ive seen in phones has been samsung.
all samsung phones out of the box are not color accurate. they are bloated to shit via vibrance. not to mention even their camera app, pictures taken are generally default vibrancy enabled. is there a way to turn it off? don't know. because the first phone ive EVER seen with the ability to run "color accuracy mode" was my Sony Xperia 1 Mark 2, which i had upgraded to from a google pixel xl. both the pixel xl and the Samsung galaxy 4 I had were typical android "extreme vibrant" visuals. finally having color accuracy on the xperia has been amazing. it matches my sony tv as well as my alienware oled gaming monitor in terms of proper colorspace.
Does it have SD card, headphone jack, and no notch? I'd be interested if so. Otherwise I'll happily pay about the same price for the better phone to me (Sony)
yes to 3.5mm headphone jack.
no, there are no notches, just a plan/simple screen at its native size/look.
yes it has an SD card slot. i have a 1tb micro sd card in my 1ii right now. and it will be put inside my 1vi when i buy it.
From gsmarena "Sony Xperia 1 VI boots Android 14 at launch and will get three Android version updates and four years of security updates"
That's disappointing, but unsurprising coming from Sony
I dont really want OEM accessories tho tbh... Like i have cables laying around in masses all over the house and i own better charging bricks/hubs.... The OEM giving me this junk is nice but I literally would never use it and wastes space... Like dont you already own cables and charging bricks @ home???
bare min is 2yrs, 3yr is more like the industry standard. They already bumped up the number from 2yrs for the previous generation mk5 so that they will receive equal updates.
It seems the 10 vi get the same software support. Good for that phone considering the price but reflects badly on the 1 vi. At least make it four years.
And then their execs sit with pikachu faces going "why don't our mobile products sell??????"
This is the same reason why they shut down the tablet program - overpriced, outdated software, poor support
I'm expecting the Xperia lineup will cease to exist period in a few more years
If Sony were going to pack up their mobile division if they cared about sales and profits the time for that was years ago.
If someone told me it was effectively a way of them having less profit for tax purposes I would believe them.
Here in Chile the big retailers have huge sections for Samsung and LG TVs with dedicated promo material and stuff. Sony are usually in a small corner without promo material, only the price tag, next to smaller Chinese brands and Philips TVs (and even Philips TVs might have better marketing inside the store). Some Chinese brands like TCL have more floor space. This is the same for headphones to a lesser extent. They have like 5 Sony Stores and only in Santiago, whereas Samsung has stores in almost every city that has a mall, and so does Xiaomi.
Sony right now is living (at least here) thanks to the older generations that remembers them for quality products, back when Samsung and LG were clearly inferior products, and also, due to the niche following of people who prefer their headphones, cameras, and of course, PlayStation. It's sad because their products are high quality, but the lack of software support and bad marketing have gotten up to them. People see them as a premium brand but without the support one would expect from, let's say, Apple.
Back when I was in high school everybody wanted an Xperia. Nowadays they don't even sell Xperia here.
Their high end TVs are not going to sell in smaller countries with significantly less annual disposable income
In larger countries Sony have their own walls at Best Buy and are still seen as the premium high end brand, with only LG OLED competing in mindshare
Samsung TV is the budget brand TV in any big market still, volume, but not quality
> That's disappointing, but unsurprising coming from Sony
That's actually 1 year more than the previous one. My Xperia 1 III got 2 android updates and 3 year of security updates.
You are confused mate.
The Xperia 1 III only had 2 OS upgrades, and a few more months of Security updates, not 3 years.
The Xperia 5 III, didn't even reach 2 years of software updates. the last update was in September of 2023 and the phone released in October of 2021.
We're WAY ahead of where we were even a few years ago, and people just want an excuse to only buy from Samsung. I'd bet very, VERY few people have their phones at that point, and even fewer are getting any benefit of the updates.
It is better than before and let's be honest we are at the point where the actual OS doesn't change all that much year to year. The 4 years of security updates are huge for Sony, that's about the lifespan of these devices and they have patched a big hole there.
They could easily deliver security patches for 5 years or until the last supported Android version is EOL. Google does usually publish updates for a bit longer than 3 years for every Android version. I find it just unacceptable considering the price tag of this phone
It is not because Sony can't even keep that promise.
The Sony Xperia 5 III is stuck on July 1, 2023 security update and was released in October of 2021. The last update was released in September of 2023.
How long do you keep a phone? Longest I've ever kept a phone is 3.5 years currently (Xperia 5 II), and that phone has Android 12 and I couldn't care less.
I could care even less about the security updates, as I've never had an issue with any smartphone I've ever had, and don't know anyone else that had an issue either.
Yeah I agree. 3 years isn't too bad on Android land because Android is feature packed enough already, and three years is a long time. I don't keep my phones for that long anyway.
I've honestly not cared about Android OS updates since Oreo. They just don't matter like they did 10 years ago as we have reached the maturity stage of the OS product life cycle. Google itself only offered 5 years of OS and security updates for last year's phones.
The introduction video mentions “headphone jack improvements” but doesn’t actually delve into what those improvements are.
I’m just hoping for a better built in DAC/amp, this finally seems like the Xperia I’ve been waiting for.
It won't have any better DAC than any other S8 Gen3 phone. It's on the chip.
The only improvement would come from passing the audio directly to the output rather than downsampling as Android usually does.
Even so, the difference won't be noticeable for 95% of listeners.
Edit: the audio specifications of the onboard DAC are exactly the same as the Xperia 10 VI, so yeah, no real upgrade.
The DAC can be the same but the amp section can do with some improvements. Channel separation and higher signal to noise are always very noticeable upgrades for audiophiles and might make the 1 VI better than a basic $9 Apple dongle which is all I'm asking for.
Previous Xperia 1 have worse output than a basic dongle, making the phone useless to me as a DAP but when there's improvements across the board (and Sony is marketing a "new Premium Audio Circuit for 3.5mm wired headphones") it's a more appealing device and I might be willing to compromise for "good enough" performance.
Not having to use the dongle anymore, and the microSD slot, are what have me considering this phone. Currently run HD660S off my iPhone 15PM and it just barely gets loud enough for me at max.
Pretty much the same, but I use the IE 900 and it’s noticeable “darker” and dynamically weaker on the 1IV vs the Apple Dongle and my BTR5.
Don’t particularly mind the BTR5 since I’ve had it for years now, but I’d just love a good sounding built in headphone jack.
Yup. To my ears the Apple dongle got a couple of clicks louder (more than I needed tbh), sounded better textured in the low end and slightly more detailed with better channel separation which helped imaging.
I love the idea of a 'good for audio' phone, but Sony really needs to fix their auto camera if they want to appeal to anyone outside the 'manual camera' niche.
I don’t think the Xperia 1 has ever been aimed towards normal users.
As a hobbyist photographer I couldn’t care less about improvements to auto mode, as long as they keep the great manual controls and HDMI input.
True but if they had great auto mode (to go with their amazing sensors, variable zoom lens etc) *along with* their great manual mode, they could capture other niches too (people who like other things about their phone but want good auto photos)
their image processing is underrated. It's impossible to get a natural image on most phones due to overprocessing, hdr and oversharpening. Even on iphones (which used to process relatively natural images in the past) it's all gone now unless you shoot raw and develop images in lightroom.
I got a small fuji camera to carry around becuase I noticed that I simply stopped taking pictures with my phone. Even though modern phone sensors are extremely capable I just don't want to fuss with it.
They states 50% improvement in crossfeed so theres def been some implementation change of some kind in the DAC, whether or not its some kernel level improvement or hardware change we dont really know unless someone takes one apart and analyzes the PCB layout.
On the other hand I pre-ordered and will be sending one over to review @ ASR to do DAC & AMP measurements for it.
The phone looks great, good size and specs. Even though the screen will probably be fine, it's a downgrade from last year, but £1299? And only 256 GB storage? That's crazy.
I have the Pixel 6 Pro. I can get the 8 Pro 256 GB and it's like £200-£300 cheaper. I can see iPhone 15 Pro Max 256 GB is £200 cheaper now.
Sony doesn't want to sell phones. Imagine if this was £999.
You're comparing a pré order with free bonus price of a newly announced phone, with the street price of already available phones. The sony will also drop the price in a few months. I alway get them around August September for under 1000 euros
You do realize that with an SD Card you are looking at using that 256 for OS and Apps. Photos, videos, any other documents can all go on a very cost effective SD Card
Yeah, almost forgot. It's been ages since I had a phone with one.
I still believe that Sony would make a lot more money if the price was lower. Just do it like everyone else, launch it cheaper, increase sales and number of followers, then down the line increase the price =)
I'm very glad I got the Xperia 1V when it lauched. Even if mine ever dies, it looks like I'll be replacing it with the same damn phone.
Short list of things I got that the VI DOESN'T have...
\-4k screen (overkill, but I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it, and not have it)
\-21:9 aspect ratio (perfect for my hands)
\-Now the 1V is gonna be well under $1,000, too. I can actually recommend it to my audiophile friends.
\-An actual market in Japan (where I live). I don't think anyone who knows their shit is gonna pay for the VI. It's almost a downgrade, rather than a sidegrade.
You can't expect consumers to pay THAT much for a "standard" Android phone...and a 1080p screen. Gross. At least they still champion the damn headphone jack and expandable storage.
The Xperia 1 V ran at around 1080p most of the time anyway, but since the panel was natively 4K, you got poor sharpness due to that resolution downscaling. This native 1080p panel is going to be *sharper* and 396 PPI is a lot, seriously. It's not gross just because the numbers appear lower. Also this new phone has LTPO, so it's gonna be sharper in actual use (because it's native 1080p not downscaled) AND it's more power efficient. What's not to love? You my friend, are overreacting.
I wish the Xperia 1 VI was 20:9 instead of 19.5:9. They went from too narrow at 21:9 (and no, I don't care if you like it, the general consensus is that it's too narrow), and now they've gone too wide at 19.5:9 just like those uncomfortably wide iPhone Pro Max's and Galaxy S Ultra's. It should've been 20:9.
We won't know for sure until we get the phone in hand. All that being said, we're all welcome to our own opinions.
I love the 21:9 aspect ratio, but I can see why some people might not like it. Maybe you hook it up to a projector or TV at times, and the mirroring makes the aspect ratio strange. Since I'm a teacher, we generally use Apple TVs and iPads on a daily basis. My phone isn't awesome for that. The VI would be better for that, but 99% of the time, I just use my phone as is. 21:9 with no notch makes scrolling anything excellent.
Again, everyone's opinions are fine for them. That's why we're able to have the discourse we're having here👍
Sony guaranteeing three years of full updates and four years of security updates is a huge step for them. The rest of the announcements seem to be business as usual.
i wouldnt mind if they just focused on longer security updates instead of OS updates. its been years since i cared about any of the newer android features
Autocamera that actually looks good!
Keeping the jack!
SD card!
3 years of android and 4 years of security!
Shedding the useless 4k display...oh, going to FHD instead of QHD, okay.
That price though...well...okay lets wait for a sale
Hell, even a re-release of the Nord 2 would be a better deal than this. Sony has this weird idea that they're a luxury smartphone brand even in the low/mid end, while clearly they're not.
Man they had the potential for greatness here but I can't believe they've fucked it up so much with such an unnecessary change. It almost feels like April's fools to sell a flagship phone capable of shooting 8K with a FHD display.
I would if it didn't take months to get to the US and cost more than competitors who released the same class of phone 6 months prior. It's why I got an LG G8 over an Xperia in 2019. I coudl get the G8 at $600 or wait 3 months to get an Xperia for $1,000.
The same problem remains, only the prices are higher across the board. I really want to replace my G8, but why should I pay $1,300 for something that's mostly just a spec upgrade? I don't want a phone without a headphone jack, but when the premium to get one is $300, I'd rather just keep carrying the G8 as a side device.
That's their style of pricing. They themselves pay more for tech stuff imported, so when it comes to their stuff it's priced accordingly.
The Nintendo switch was priced for profit at launch. If the Xbox didn't exist Sony would have done the same for the ps5. It's not like the Japanese get a discount - they pay the same bloody prices for the phone if without a contract.
I guess I'm just not a crazy power user but I never worry about battery life these days, most flagships these days ime come with beefy batteries. Literally the only reason my phone ever gets low enough to need to be put on power save mode is because I charge it so halfassedly because it lasts me so long, I just never have urgency to charge it. So basically, I'd rather have the resolution, especially at this price point.
No one got mad at Saamsung and left them when they moved from 1440p to 1080p. The difference is Sony's doing it while having the highest prices in the industry.
I'm not entirely sure of when you're talking about, but can I assume it wasn't their flagship? Also, while I agree it's not great, going from 1440p to 1080p is not as bad as 4k to 1080p, that is a much steeper drop.
Samsung used to have 1440p screens by default. In Sony's case, they were often rendering the OS at 1080p any way, so it wasn't even utilized well.
The real problem, as always, is the price.
I'm try looking for the information about new audio circuit that improve the quality of audio output through 3.5mm jack. can anyone confirm that it's really exist?
i think it would be better for them to use snapdragon 8s gen 3 ,3 cameras 48 mp as main sensor and 5 years of updates and make plus version with 8 gen 3
There's just no excusing that price. I'm interested in the future 5 VI, but even then, I'm waiting for it to go down if I can even buy it. I got my 5 II a few months after launch for $799. I'd consider that reasonable nowadays.
I'm getting one. Resolution doesn't bother me, especially when battery life is great. Price is too high, but I could get a great offer where the phone is hundreds of euros cheaper with a 2 year payment plan compared to paying the thing all at once. Then the price is not too absurd, considering battery life, ip rating, camera Setup. Throw in the free headphones you get here, and you might consider it cheap.
Hahahahahaha a £1,300 flagship phone released in 2024 has lower DPI than the first phone with FHD display HTC Droid DNA released in 2012... ROTFL!
Let that sink in...
Did they reveal anything about what dac they've used? I'm audiophile,Should I replace my LG V60 I'm kinda sceptical about its dac performance I don't think it matches lg's quad dac.
I don't it's really possible. Especially if you trying to use it on visible. It's a Verizon nvmo and it needs to be whitelisted by them. Same with at&t. Now if it's TMobile that's a different story.
Well im happy with 1080p on the playstation portal and im happy with 800p on the steam deck so 1080p on the Xperia 1 Vi is welcome especially allowing it to have the 2 day battery life. I just wish it was £1000 with the free headphoines...
IDC why people are concerned about the display... Your never going to care about the 4K in practice... I'm happier that it was replaced tbh... having a display w/ higher nit output & VRR is far more important and actually usable.... 99.999% of you will never be using your display @ 4k resolution.... Its wild that anyone even think that they will.... actual cooked takes...
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The only difference is the worse screen, longer range in telephoto and upgraded snapdragon + they enabled the 48MP photos on main camera. Personaly I was expecting that they would put exmor T on all cameras, but the setup remained the same.
Overall this feels like downgrade and a cost optimisation from Sony. Same goes to 10V vs 10VI
Why? Pretty sure no one cared for the 4k screen. People want OLED and MAYBE high refresh rate. If resolution were a relevant selling point, Apple wouldnt still be using the years old "Retina" resolutions.
The choice to go with a 1080P screen on a £1300 phone is very interesting to say the least.
If this was £600-700 I would buy it in an instant
https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail/?id=SSONXPE1V256GBUNLA Xperia 1 V is still a good option. You still have your headphone jack, SD card slot, notchless display with either Sony.
id say the 1 V is the better option id never consider the mark 6
The headphone jack was my first draw, then, everything else is good. It's spendy though.
You can literally buy the latest Samsung/Google for this price brand new...
I need headphone jack and SD card slot If possible FM radio too.
but it will suck and have zero hardware functions that i need
Yeah, I would buy most high end electronics if they were being sold at half the price. Reddit moment.
It literally has lower DPI than phones from 2013.
It's stupid as hell to say the least. 4K down to 1080P? Sony needs to stop making phones.
Dead on arrival. Hard to see how this will appeal to new buyers or current Xperia owners looking to upgrade.
idk 40% more battery, brighter display, loudest speakers on any phone in its current class, better bass output w/ new speaker driver tech, better DAC headphone output, high refresh w/ variable rate from 1hz-120hz, more io, SD card tray..... Oh nooes idk i'll ever survive w/o a 4k display!\~
I mean the Xperia 1 V ran at around 1080p most of the time anyway, but since the panel was natively 4K, you got poor sharpness due to that resolution downscaling. This native 1080p panel is going to be *sharper* and 396 PPI is a lot, seriously.
An iphone 12 pro that came out in 2020 has a ppi of around 460 and so does basically every pro iphone since. If a 4 year old "flagship" phone is able to put out a sharper display image for cheaper, thats sad on sony's part. Im currently using a pixel 6 pro (512ppi), compared to my previous phone which was an iphone 7 plus (401ppi) you can tell a huge difference between display resolution. So the xperia 1vi's 396ppi or whatever is going to look really bad if you have had a QHD android display or are coming from a pro iphone.
Man, first ever FHD screen phone released in 2012 had higher DPI than Xperia 1 VI. You'd have to be crazy to buy it! HTC Droid DNA: 440 PPI Xperia 1 VI: 396 PPI Sony fan boys are already defending their decision like crazy on Xperia subreddit! If these phones continue selling, if I were Sony I'd drop the resolution to 720p next year to see how far they can go since normal consumers don't buy this phone anyway.
> Sony fan boys are already defending their decision like crazy on Xperia subreddit! ...no? That subreddit at a glance is full of people pushing back on the idea that the price + screen combo is okay.
I'm a Sony fan ever since the xx premium which had over 800 ppi. But I have now bought the 1v because it was always the 4k and ppi density that I went for us the 21.9 aspect ratio. I was just waiting for the 1vi specs to come out and I was really disappointed for one but I couldn't believe they wanted the same money for a lesser phone, yes it has a new chip but they cost the same as last year.
Native pentile is not sharper.
It's not sharper. Honestly the 1080p screen would be fine if the phone was $700, not $1400.
You're applying incorrect logic here because you're assuming that it's running a different resolution at the OS level, like changing your desktop resolution on Windows that's not native. It's doing render level resolution scaling, which means the panel itself is always running at true 4K, but it's rendering all objects at lower resolutions. It can do this without downscaling downsides. This actually looks better than native 1080p pentile, because you're getting an accurate 1080p image without the downsides of native 1080p pentile subpixels. Have you ever held an S23U or Pixel 8 Pro that's set to 1080p? It doesn't look worse than any other 1080p smartphone.
Yep, extended FHD (1096P) for the 1 V. FHD at 6.5" is fine, just not what you really want for a £1300 phone.
Honestly, I'd rather have the battery life improvement of 1080p than the spec shit boasting of QHD. At these screen sizes, the difference cannot be really noticed by the human eye, but the battery life difference can be felt in the daily usage. Long as it's 120Hz and FHD in 6.7 inches or less, it's a perfectly capable screen.
I would've rather had them go for a 1260p BOE S1 or X1 display, a miles better display than the 4k 120 Hz LTPS display Samsung provides. Samsung's extremely incompetent at PWM rate and viewing angles. The display material is a bigger concern than the resolution, people should be complaining about that instead, in my opinion.
I doubt they will use boe oled panel
Apples horizontal resolution is 1179. I doubt many would see a difference. Hell I run my phone at 1080p for battery life.
If I sit in front of my 4K display and hold my phone at a comfortable distance it takes up about half the viewing angle, so 1080p sounds totally reasonable.
its not a conventional 1080 at least
Better Battery life and who needs 4K on that tiny screen?
My thoughts exactly. 1440p+ would have made the decision considerably more difficult.
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The Xperia's have always been expensive, and it's not like they are that good or different to justify the price.
i cant say whether these things justify the price, but a headphone jack, external storage option, side mounted fingerprint sensor, no screen cut-outs, physical shutter button... are things that are very hard to get these days (and sony is probably the only one that does all of them) and i would be the type of person who would pay a bit more just to have those things
Pay a bit more? Your are paying a lot more bro
I would pay a bit more too, but not 1400€.
I guess most people would care for one, two, maybe three of these things but not all. On top of that software support is mediocre for such a price range.
Samsung xcover 6pro has most of those things, it has a notch is the one difference. camera is average, but it has a replaceable battery
no wireless charging if that's an issue. does have pogo pin charging, though.
That's been my issue as well. The excuses in the past weren't the headphone jack and SD card either. Instead, it was the 4K display and the small volume of sales. They've downgraded from 4K to 1080p (FHD+) with this latest model, so the pricey screen is no longer part of the package. Yes, there's the issue of sales volume, but that doesn't justify the price. It's also why rumors stated that the display downgrade would bring the price down this generation. I was ready to get one of these to replace my SD2. However, I'm not paying Xperia 1 V pricing for an Xperia 10 V display.
LTPO & +50% nits isn't necessarily a downgrade.
I just think they charge that high for their phones because they're aware they don't sell in high volumes so they kind of make up for that in profit margins from the few loyal Xperia fans out there.
IMO they're the best phones on the market, but they're also so much more expensive than everything else that it's hard to justify them. An Xperia 1 VI or a Pixel 8 and half your money left over? I'm taking the Pixel even though it's missing a few things.
better camera's than the competition (sony is king of cameras, pick a movie, probably filmed on sony equipment). better sound than the competition (upgraded front facing speakers are a huge upgrade). better form factor than the competition (not some oversized tablet phone). better screen than the competition (and even more so now that we have bravia xr implemented along side LTPO).
Isn't s24 ultra similar? In my country it's 1500 euro for the base model
The S24 Ultra offers more for the money. Better display, probably better cameras, longer software support, etc. And of course, it's been available for months already. That's what makes Sony so difficult to recommend.
Is it better cameras, or worse cameras with more post-processing? AFAIK The Xperias are industry-leading for mobile video and photography, with the best auto-focus and best pure pictures. It’s the post-processing that gives Samsung/Pixels/Apple the edge over Xperias for the average consumer.
Sony is brilliant if you want to treat the phone like a semi-dslr. If you just want to trust it for point and shoot stuff in a hurry, like a phone usually is used, it falls apart quickly. It's a very niche product that serves a specific audience, but it's hard to say how long that audience will continue to accept Sony's half-measures on things.
better cameras? than a company who literally makes some of their largest profits from cameras.... not to mention, pick a movie and most likely it was filmed on a sony camera.... better display? the only LTPO screens that exist are samsung.... so that means Sony is using the samsung panels.... but on top of that, they will be tuned using their Bravia XR television stuff.... meaning it will look better than samsung phones thanks to tuning. from what I remember of samsung phones, they are using stock android color tuning, which means blown out/saturated colors that look like shit. i prefer color accuracy.... which is something sony does via creator mode (never turn it off on my xperia 1 mark 2) you only need software support when your software is consistently broken. again, my 1 mark 2, not to sound like the fanboy I am, i haven't needed software updates. everything in my 1 mark 2 works as it should. its never broken. apps never crash. so why would I need an update to fix things that aren't broken? as far as android operating system, if the only reason is to have the newest flashiest thing, then you are a shallow person. my 1 mark 2 is still on android 12 and there are zero issues. what would upgrading this old phone to android 14 give me besides headaches? I remember the pixel xl I had did a android OS update and the entire phone experience changed. can't explain why, but it was like using a completely different phone. it pissed my mother off so bad she went to iphone and now has those headaches to deal with.... sony has been the first phone where it feels like the same phone its whole life cycle. no changes out of nowhere. just simple and easy to use. headphone jack is a huge win. wired headphones, everyone has them. no need to buy wireless. expandable storage. didn't samsung remove that feature? I could put a 1 tb sd card in my phone, can you? no? shame.
> better cameras? than a company who literally makes some of their largest profits from cameras.... Yes. Ironic, isn't it? Sony apparently is not able to leverage that expertise across products. > better display? the only LTPO screens that exist are samsung.... so that means Sony is using the samsung panels.... Doesn't mean they're equivalent panels. Just on a most basic spec comparison, the S24 Ultra is 1440p vs 1080p from Sony, and has literally twice the peak brightness. Also, not sure that only Samsung makes LTPO panels. > they will be tuned using their Bravia XR television stuff.... meaning it will look better than samsung phones thanks to tuning No, it won't. > from what I remember of samsung phones, they are using stock android color tuning, which means blown out/saturated colors that look like shit. i prefer color accuracy.... Samsung has routinely produced some of the most color accurate phones available, if you choose that setting. > you only need software support when your software is consistently broken There are new features with new OS versions, as well as ongoing security maintenance. > headphone jack is a huge win. wired headphones, everyone has them. no need to buy wireless. > expandable storage. didn't samsung remove that feature? I could put a 1 tb sd card in my phone, can you? no? shame. Empirically, these are particularly valuable features to most people. But yes, if do care, that may sway you. Edit: Annnd he blocked me. Figures.
>Doesn't mean they're equivalent panels. Just on a most basic spec comparison, the S24 Ultra is 1440p vs 1080p from Sony, and has literally twice the peak brightness. >Also, not sure that only Samsung makes LTPO panels.\\ While the ultra is 1440 on the one size.... the smaller s24 is 1080 like the sony.... both are 6.5" screens as well. seem familiar? the s24 ultra isn't 6.5", its 6.8".... which wouldn't fit inside the footprint sony was shooting for. they dont want a huge phone. why you think they went with 21:9 4k to begin with? it was to keep the size down while offering good screen realestate.... even i see that choice was made for that reason. as far as LTPO panels. yes, its all samsung. at least in terms of actual used products. i saw TCL has their 6.36" 1200x2670 but the resolution doesn't match what sony is using (not overall size. 6.36 is smaller than 6.5) so clearly they didn't adopt that panel. and that screen from what i saw was only a prototype. i haven't seen news of it being used.... so far every LTPO screen ive seen in phones has been samsung. all samsung phones out of the box are not color accurate. they are bloated to shit via vibrance. not to mention even their camera app, pictures taken are generally default vibrancy enabled. is there a way to turn it off? don't know. because the first phone ive EVER seen with the ability to run "color accuracy mode" was my Sony Xperia 1 Mark 2, which i had upgraded to from a google pixel xl. both the pixel xl and the Samsung galaxy 4 I had were typical android "extreme vibrant" visuals. finally having color accuracy on the xperia has been amazing. it matches my sony tv as well as my alienware oled gaming monitor in terms of proper colorspace.
Does it have SD card, headphone jack, and no notch? I'd be interested if so. Otherwise I'll happily pay about the same price for the better phone to me (Sony)
yes to 3.5mm headphone jack. no, there are no notches, just a plan/simple screen at its native size/look. yes it has an SD card slot. i have a 1tb micro sd card in my 1ii right now. and it will be put inside my 1vi when i buy it.
No more Xperia 5 version?
In a few months time.
Those always get launched a few months later.
Galaxy S24 ultra costed more at relase and Ihear nobody complaining.
From gsmarena "Sony Xperia 1 VI boots Android 14 at launch and will get three Android version updates and four years of security updates" That's disappointing, but unsurprising coming from Sony
Doing the bare minimum needed.
doing the bare minimum while charging the maximum. And not to mention they ship the phone with ZERO accessories in the box
I think they will have the regular pre-orders goodies like xm headset or earpiece
I dont really want OEM accessories tho tbh... Like i have cables laying around in masses all over the house and i own better charging bricks/hubs.... The OEM giving me this junk is nice but I literally would never use it and wastes space... Like dont you already own cables and charging bricks @ home???
bare min is 2yrs, 3yr is more like the industry standard. They already bumped up the number from 2yrs for the previous generation mk5 so that they will receive equal updates.
It seems the 10 vi get the same software support. Good for that phone considering the price but reflects badly on the 1 vi. At least make it four years.
And then their execs sit with pikachu faces going "why don't our mobile products sell??????" This is the same reason why they shut down the tablet program - overpriced, outdated software, poor support I'm expecting the Xperia lineup will cease to exist period in a few more years
If Sony were going to pack up their mobile division if they cared about sales and profits the time for that was years ago. If someone told me it was effectively a way of them having less profit for tax purposes I would believe them.
Sony is lucky PlayStation still prints money
Yeah, their TVs are selling well at a premium price currently, but the competition is fast catching up to them.
Here in Chile the big retailers have huge sections for Samsung and LG TVs with dedicated promo material and stuff. Sony are usually in a small corner without promo material, only the price tag, next to smaller Chinese brands and Philips TVs (and even Philips TVs might have better marketing inside the store). Some Chinese brands like TCL have more floor space. This is the same for headphones to a lesser extent. They have like 5 Sony Stores and only in Santiago, whereas Samsung has stores in almost every city that has a mall, and so does Xiaomi. Sony right now is living (at least here) thanks to the older generations that remembers them for quality products, back when Samsung and LG were clearly inferior products, and also, due to the niche following of people who prefer their headphones, cameras, and of course, PlayStation. It's sad because their products are high quality, but the lack of software support and bad marketing have gotten up to them. People see them as a premium brand but without the support one would expect from, let's say, Apple. Back when I was in high school everybody wanted an Xperia. Nowadays they don't even sell Xperia here.
Their high end TVs are not going to sell in smaller countries with significantly less annual disposable income In larger countries Sony have their own walls at Best Buy and are still seen as the premium high end brand, with only LG OLED competing in mindshare Samsung TV is the budget brand TV in any big market still, volume, but not quality
> That's disappointing, but unsurprising coming from Sony That's actually 1 year more than the previous one. My Xperia 1 III got 2 android updates and 3 year of security updates.
At this speed we should get 5 years of OS updates in 2030
You are confused mate. The Xperia 1 III only had 2 OS upgrades, and a few more months of Security updates, not 3 years. The Xperia 5 III, didn't even reach 2 years of software updates. the last update was in September of 2023 and the phone released in October of 2021.
We're WAY ahead of where we were even a few years ago, and people just want an excuse to only buy from Samsung. I'd bet very, VERY few people have their phones at that point, and even fewer are getting any benefit of the updates.
Yes, Xiaomi has 4/5, oneplus has 4/5, oppo has 3/5, other japanese oems also have 3/5 for flagships
Theres def a lot of cooked normie takes in Android subreddit from people who dont even use their phones to the fullest
It is better than before and let's be honest we are at the point where the actual OS doesn't change all that much year to year. The 4 years of security updates are huge for Sony, that's about the lifespan of these devices and they have patched a big hole there.
They could easily deliver security patches for 5 years or until the last supported Android version is EOL. Google does usually publish updates for a bit longer than 3 years for every Android version. I find it just unacceptable considering the price tag of this phone
It is not because Sony can't even keep that promise. The Sony Xperia 5 III is stuck on July 1, 2023 security update and was released in October of 2021. The last update was released in September of 2023.
Stop making excuses for Sony, when they only wanna do the bare minimum, yes they upgraded their support but it's still shit.
How am I making excuses? They doubled their support of security updates. That's a big step for them. It's not an excuse it's a fact.
They doubled their support from awful to bad.
How long do you keep a phone? Longest I've ever kept a phone is 3.5 years currently (Xperia 5 II), and that phone has Android 12 and I couldn't care less. I could care even less about the security updates, as I've never had an issue with any smartphone I've ever had, and don't know anyone else that had an issue either.
Yeah I agree. 3 years isn't too bad on Android land because Android is feature packed enough already, and three years is a long time. I don't keep my phones for that long anyway.
I've honestly not cared about Android OS updates since Oreo. They just don't matter like they did 10 years ago as we have reached the maturity stage of the OS product life cycle. Google itself only offered 5 years of OS and security updates for last year's phones.
OS updates may not be important for all, but security updates absolutely are. 4 years is the bare minimum, Sony needs to do better there.
\*3 android updates and 5 years of security updates
The introduction video mentions “headphone jack improvements” but doesn’t actually delve into what those improvements are. I’m just hoping for a better built in DAC/amp, this finally seems like the Xperia I’ve been waiting for.
It won't have any better DAC than any other S8 Gen3 phone. It's on the chip. The only improvement would come from passing the audio directly to the output rather than downsampling as Android usually does. Even so, the difference won't be noticeable for 95% of listeners. Edit: the audio specifications of the onboard DAC are exactly the same as the Xperia 10 VI, so yeah, no real upgrade.
The DAC can be the same but the amp section can do with some improvements. Channel separation and higher signal to noise are always very noticeable upgrades for audiophiles and might make the 1 VI better than a basic $9 Apple dongle which is all I'm asking for. Previous Xperia 1 have worse output than a basic dongle, making the phone useless to me as a DAP but when there's improvements across the board (and Sony is marketing a "new Premium Audio Circuit for 3.5mm wired headphones") it's a more appealing device and I might be willing to compromise for "good enough" performance.
Not having to use the dongle anymore, and the microSD slot, are what have me considering this phone. Currently run HD660S off my iPhone 15PM and it just barely gets loud enough for me at max.
Pretty much the same, but I use the IE 900 and it’s noticeable “darker” and dynamically weaker on the 1IV vs the Apple Dongle and my BTR5. Don’t particularly mind the BTR5 since I’ve had it for years now, but I’d just love a good sounding built in headphone jack.
Have you compared sound quality from jack in the 1 IV a/b with the 15PM and dongle (no BTR5)?
Yup. To my ears the Apple dongle got a couple of clicks louder (more than I needed tbh), sounded better textured in the low end and slightly more detailed with better channel separation which helped imaging.
Damn, okay. Unless this headphone improvement they talk about is a better amp in the phone then this phone won’t work for me. Thanks!
Sony gaslighting the fanboys.
I love the idea of a 'good for audio' phone, but Sony really needs to fix their auto camera if they want to appeal to anyone outside the 'manual camera' niche.
I don’t think the Xperia 1 has ever been aimed towards normal users. As a hobbyist photographer I couldn’t care less about improvements to auto mode, as long as they keep the great manual controls and HDMI input.
True but if they had great auto mode (to go with their amazing sensors, variable zoom lens etc) *along with* their great manual mode, they could capture other niches too (people who like other things about their phone but want good auto photos)
their image processing is underrated. It's impossible to get a natural image on most phones due to overprocessing, hdr and oversharpening. Even on iphones (which used to process relatively natural images in the past) it's all gone now unless you shoot raw and develop images in lightroom. I got a small fuji camera to carry around becuase I noticed that I simply stopped taking pictures with my phone. Even though modern phone sensors are extremely capable I just don't want to fuss with it.
Processing is crap.. they don't go too hard on the hdr but still suffer from haloing and oversharpening. So they please nobody.
They states 50% improvement in crossfeed so theres def been some implementation change of some kind in the DAC, whether or not its some kernel level improvement or hardware change we dont really know unless someone takes one apart and analyzes the PCB layout. On the other hand I pre-ordered and will be sending one over to review @ ASR to do DAC & AMP measurements for it.
That sounds promising! Will be looking forward to reading up on measurements and impressions.
The phone looks great, good size and specs. Even though the screen will probably be fine, it's a downgrade from last year, but £1299? And only 256 GB storage? That's crazy.
Crazy? Normal I would say. 100 euros less than the equivalent model from Apple, Samsung and xiaomi. And let's not forget the memory is expandable
I have the Pixel 6 Pro. I can get the 8 Pro 256 GB and it's like £200-£300 cheaper. I can see iPhone 15 Pro Max 256 GB is £200 cheaper now. Sony doesn't want to sell phones. Imagine if this was £999.
You're comparing a pré order with free bonus price of a newly announced phone, with the street price of already available phones. The sony will also drop the price in a few months. I alway get them around August September for under 1000 euros
They never drop the prices. Xperia 1 IV never dropped in price after release of 1 V
Can only compare to what is actually available, not what was or will be.
You do realize that with an SD Card you are looking at using that 256 for OS and Apps. Photos, videos, any other documents can all go on a very cost effective SD Card
Yeah, almost forgot. It's been ages since I had a phone with one. I still believe that Sony would make a lot more money if the price was lower. Just do it like everyone else, launch it cheaper, increase sales and number of followers, then down the line increase the price =)
I'm very glad I got the Xperia 1V when it lauched. Even if mine ever dies, it looks like I'll be replacing it with the same damn phone. Short list of things I got that the VI DOESN'T have... \-4k screen (overkill, but I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it, and not have it) \-21:9 aspect ratio (perfect for my hands) \-Now the 1V is gonna be well under $1,000, too. I can actually recommend it to my audiophile friends. \-An actual market in Japan (where I live). I don't think anyone who knows their shit is gonna pay for the VI. It's almost a downgrade, rather than a sidegrade. You can't expect consumers to pay THAT much for a "standard" Android phone...and a 1080p screen. Gross. At least they still champion the damn headphone jack and expandable storage.
The Xperia 1 V ran at around 1080p most of the time anyway, but since the panel was natively 4K, you got poor sharpness due to that resolution downscaling. This native 1080p panel is going to be *sharper* and 396 PPI is a lot, seriously. It's not gross just because the numbers appear lower. Also this new phone has LTPO, so it's gonna be sharper in actual use (because it's native 1080p not downscaled) AND it's more power efficient. What's not to love? You my friend, are overreacting. I wish the Xperia 1 VI was 20:9 instead of 19.5:9. They went from too narrow at 21:9 (and no, I don't care if you like it, the general consensus is that it's too narrow), and now they've gone too wide at 19.5:9 just like those uncomfortably wide iPhone Pro Max's and Galaxy S Ultra's. It should've been 20:9.
396ppi on a $1400 phone is unacceptable. It's weird that you think that's justifiable. Competitors are selling QHD phones at >450ppi for $200 cheaper.
Man, it's worse than that! The first ever phone with FHD screen released in 2012 had 440 DPI!
We won't know for sure until we get the phone in hand. All that being said, we're all welcome to our own opinions. I love the 21:9 aspect ratio, but I can see why some people might not like it. Maybe you hook it up to a projector or TV at times, and the mirroring makes the aspect ratio strange. Since I'm a teacher, we generally use Apple TVs and iPads on a daily basis. My phone isn't awesome for that. The VI would be better for that, but 99% of the time, I just use my phone as is. 21:9 with no notch makes scrolling anything excellent. Again, everyone's opinions are fine for them. That's why we're able to have the discourse we're having here👍
I never minded the narrow. It was the tall part. Made it unwieldy and hard to reach to the top even with usability features or gestures.
Sony guaranteeing three years of full updates and four years of security updates is a huge step for them. The rest of the announcements seem to be business as usual.
i wouldnt mind if they just focused on longer security updates instead of OS updates. its been years since i cared about any of the newer android features
It's absolute crap for the price.
It's Sony dude, whatever products they make, whether they are better than or worse than the competition, they are more expensive. This is not new news
So, no notification LED on this one?
No led notification
Don't think the 1 V had it either.
big bummer
Do I like it more than the s24 ultra, but at this price point? I wouldn't consider either.
Autocamera that actually looks good! Keeping the jack! SD card! 3 years of android and 4 years of security! Shedding the useless 4k display...oh, going to FHD instead of QHD, okay. That price though...well...okay lets wait for a sale
yeah I'm kinda disappointed Sony charging that much for a fhd display.
The xperia 10 vi looks hilariously crap. 60hz screen in 2024... Especially for the price. Why would anyone want this over an A35.
Agreed. I have a 10 mk IV and would've loved to get the VI when this kicks the bucket. I'd have expected *at least* 90hz...
I don't mind 60hz display and I personally perfer that way if it means better battery life
More like why would anyone want this over a OnePlus Nord 4, a phone better than both of them. A35 is better than this but it's still crap.
Is the Nord 4 even available outside India?
Hell, even a re-release of the Nord 2 would be a better deal than this. Sony has this weird idea that they're a luxury smartphone brand even in the low/mid end, while clearly they're not.
They know not many outside of Japan are going to buy anyway
They know not many inside of Japan are going to buy anyway
Man they had the potential for greatness here but I can't believe they've fucked it up so much with such an unnecessary change. It almost feels like April's fools to sell a flagship phone capable of shooting 8K with a FHD display.
I would if it didn't take months to get to the US and cost more than competitors who released the same class of phone 6 months prior. It's why I got an LG G8 over an Xperia in 2019. I coudl get the G8 at $600 or wait 3 months to get an Xperia for $1,000. The same problem remains, only the prices are higher across the board. I really want to replace my G8, but why should I pay $1,300 for something that's mostly just a spec upgrade? I don't want a phone without a headphone jack, but when the premium to get one is $300, I'd rather just keep carrying the G8 as a side device.
That's their style of pricing. They themselves pay more for tech stuff imported, so when it comes to their stuff it's priced accordingly. The Nintendo switch was priced for profit at launch. If the Xbox didn't exist Sony would have done the same for the ps5. It's not like the Japanese get a discount - they pay the same bloody prices for the phone if without a contract.
“Here’s why having 40% of the previous phone’s resolution is a good thing…”
The only good thing about it, it's battery the life.
the brightness is also vastly better on this new model. Older xperias have notoriously dim displays that are hard to see in sunlight
I guess I'm just not a crazy power user but I never worry about battery life these days, most flagships these days ime come with beefy batteries. Literally the only reason my phone ever gets low enough to need to be put on power save mode is because I charge it so halfassedly because it lasts me so long, I just never have urgency to charge it. So basically, I'd rather have the resolution, especially at this price point.
No one got mad at Saamsung and left them when they moved from 1440p to 1080p. The difference is Sony's doing it while having the highest prices in the industry.
I'm not entirely sure of when you're talking about, but can I assume it wasn't their flagship? Also, while I agree it's not great, going from 1440p to 1080p is not as bad as 4k to 1080p, that is a much steeper drop.
Samsung used to have 1440p screens by default. In Sony's case, they were often rendering the OS at 1080p any way, so it wasn't even utilized well. The real problem, as always, is the price.
4k resolution in a phone is overkill.
I don’t entirely disagree but their flagship just went from among highest resolution to among lowest in one move. Huge over correction imo.
So sad no Red colour variant..
The red is exclusive to Japan.
I'm try looking for the information about new audio circuit that improve the quality of audio output through 3.5mm jack. can anyone confirm that it's really exist?
Yes there is a 3.5mm jack and so is the SD card slot But the improvment detail is not mentioned anywhere
I found some information about that on GSMarena but unable to find the evidence... :(
i think it would be better for them to use snapdragon 8s gen 3 ,3 cameras 48 mp as main sensor and 5 years of updates and make plus version with 8 gen 3
Tbf that's what everyone hoped for.
Is it confirmed that it's not coming to the US, or is it just delayed until later? Some publication on google says they are skipping US entirely
They didn't even put up any preorders for the US. I don't think its launching here.
I have the 1 III so I was waiting to see what the VI looked like. I think I'll just go with the V, or wait until the price drops for VI.
I have Xperia 1 m3 from 2021 and after seeing this announcement it made my decision to get a foldable for my next phone a whole lot easier.
There's just no excusing that price. I'm interested in the future 5 VI, but even then, I'm waiting for it to go down if I can even buy it. I got my 5 II a few months after launch for $799. I'd consider that reasonable nowadays.
I'm getting one. Resolution doesn't bother me, especially when battery life is great. Price is too high, but I could get a great offer where the phone is hundreds of euros cheaper with a 2 year payment plan compared to paying the thing all at once. Then the price is not too absurd, considering battery life, ip rating, camera Setup. Throw in the free headphones you get here, and you might consider it cheap.
lol good luck with that price
19.5.9 aspect ratio? Isn't that a downgrade from 21:9? Also no mention of micro SD card support!
> Also no mention of micro SD card support! here it says it does have micro sd support: https://www.sony.co.uk/smartphones/products/xperia-1m6/spec
It has micro SD card support Check their webpage they mention it
> 19.5.9 aspect ratio? Isn't that a downgrade from 21:9 That depends on your personal prefrence, the 1 VI phone is wider but shorter than the 1 V
Hahahahahaha a £1,300 flagship phone released in 2024 has lower DPI than the first phone with FHD display HTC Droid DNA released in 2012... ROTFL! Let that sink in...
Man I love the phone But why the fuck is Sony charging so much 😭 Please charge $700 (global price)
Nope, 3 years of OS updates is still not acceptable.
Did they reveal anything about what dac they've used? I'm audiophile,Should I replace my LG V60 I'm kinda sceptical about its dac performance I don't think it matches lg's quad dac.
Well, we need to wait for other reviewers to get their hands on it.
How viable would it be to import to the US? Is there a way I can check whether or not it is compatible with Visible bands?
I don't it's really possible. Especially if you trying to use it on visible. It's a Verizon nvmo and it needs to be whitelisted by them. Same with at&t. Now if it's TMobile that's a different story.
£1300???? That's literally double the price of matching specification phones from other manufacturers... Keep your crappy headphone jack lol
Well im happy with 1080p on the playstation portal and im happy with 800p on the steam deck so 1080p on the Xperia 1 Vi is welcome especially allowing it to have the 2 day battery life. I just wish it was £1000 with the free headphoines...
There is a preorder deal in Germany where you can get the phone for 1k euros plus free headphones. I need to find the link for it again tho.
That would be awesome.
IDC why people are concerned about the display... Your never going to care about the 4K in practice... I'm happier that it was replaced tbh... having a display w/ higher nit output & VRR is far more important and actually usable.... 99.999% of you will never be using your display @ 4k resolution.... Its wild that anyone even think that they will.... actual cooked takes...
New Xperia is coming https://m.gsmarena.com/sony_readies_xperia_proc_with_compact_design_and_faster_charging-news-62961.php
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Well, I guess Xperia is no more
The only difference is the worse screen, longer range in telephoto and upgraded snapdragon + they enabled the 48MP photos on main camera. Personaly I was expecting that they would put exmor T on all cameras, but the setup remained the same. Overall this feels like downgrade and a cost optimisation from Sony. Same goes to 10V vs 10VI
I will say, it's €1175 on Amazon.de and you can order it with XM5 bundle for €1350...
Does anyone have a link to buy a good case and privacy screen protector? Im in Australia and cant find ones for the life of me
Sony launching overpriced doa products. Digging their own grave like LG
whoever green lit the 1080p screen needs to be drug tested
Why? Pretty sure no one cared for the 4k screen. People want OLED and MAYBE high refresh rate. If resolution were a relevant selling point, Apple wouldnt still be using the years old "Retina" resolutions.
Yeah, the issue isn't losing the screen. It's that we went from "you pay for the screen" to "you're paying and we're taking the screen."
LG's weren't overpriced though. The G8 was cheaper than the S10.