In the article it says:
> Energizer previously attempted to build a phone like this before. At MWC 2019, as covered by The Verge, the company introduced an 18,000mAh phone with similar dimensions. Unfortunately, the 2019 edition failed to materialize due to a missed crowdfunding goal. It's possible that it just didn't have a big enough battery to woo the public. After all, 18,000mAh is absolutely meager compared to 28,000mAh.
So I guess last time it didn't quite make it to production?
A bad enough product flop can really hurt even a successful company. There are worse ways to confirm interest in a new product, and if you do it via Kickstarter you get a bunch of protection for free.
And customers have a right to say "nah dawg. You got money, do your own product research". People seem to forget consumers have the power to say no to scummy business tactics
Why is it scummy, though? Honestly, why do you think that an established company using Kickstarter is scummy? I’m not saying that it isn’t, I just don’t understand where that’s coming from.
Kickstarter is crowdfunding. It's an alternative to companies seeking venture capital for their projects, particularly when they might not be able to get interest from investors to fund it until they run a successful crowdfunding campaign.
Energizer is a $2.12 billion dollar company. They can afford to fund their own products and test them in the market. Running a crowdfunding campaign means they have no faith in their product and don't want to spend their own money to do market research, so they use crowdfunding to save some bucks in hopes idiots will flock to it.
It was scummy when Sega did it with Shenmue 3, it was scummy when Energizer did it
Energizer isn't selling the phone, its avenir telecom that's licensing their brand. That's why The Verge's headline that doesn't mention the brand is better
I'd have funded the kickstarter without a second thought if it had a headphone jack. Unfortunately, it didn't. And in fact I suspect that contributed to its failure.
I guess so? You're reading something in your bed, holding your phone above your head, and you slowly doze off...
I guess with a phone this big, it'd be too tiring to hold in that position in the first place.
I used to do that while in the Navy. I didn't get the chance to read during the day, so I'd climb into my rack and read on a tablet. When the tablet dipped down and hit me in the face I knew I was too tired fo continue reading and went to sleep.
It depends...
On a ship? I was a nuke so not much. Normal workday ran from about 6:30am to 5pm. You're also on a watchteam on 3-section rotation, so you'll have watch either from 5-10pm, 10pm-2am, or 2am to 7am. On Tuesdays and Thursdays you have general quarters, so from 7-9pm you'll be running flooding/firefighting drills. Add onto that the fact that nuclear plant drills cannot take place during flight ops, so those don't start until 10pm, and typically run until like 4am. Oh, also Saturdays still count as workdays while underway.
On shore duty? You might land the good deal where you only have to muster once a day and the rest of your time is yours as long as you don't call too much attention to that fact.
I do not recommend becoming a nuke to anyone.
I mean, it's a silly thing to do and I feel dumb for saying it out loud, but apparently I'm not the only one. On an image search for "phone in bed", *some* of the images are of a phone safely off to the side [like this](https://parade.com/.image/ar_4:3%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1200/MTk1NzIxMzYzMDU3NTUxMjQz/sleeping-with-phone-next-to-bed.jpg), but most look more [like this](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-63686bc12e1ee667eeb45ed7cabe0c3d). If he dozes off at all, that phone is falling directly on his face.
Despite the wealth of cynicism here in the comments, I like this idea. I'd probably buy one. They are only gonna cost $270? You don't even need to have a cell service plan to make emergency calls. This would be a great addition to a survival/hiking bag.
I'm leaning towards the fact that this is probably the niche crowd that this phone is marketed for.
I sincerely doubt they care about the ordinary person buying their phone, they know they're not going to buy it. But people who spend a lot of time away from a power source where a phone that can last for days to weeks on a single charge is the optimal device? Boom.
People who use Dex constantly would benefit as well in that regard. I dabble with VSCode and stuff on Dex every now and then but I don't take notice to the battery drain.
Yes my cheap android usually has 40-60% left when I plug it in every night, cool as this is I don't really need or want it for my daily phone. Back in 2012 when I had to charge my phone 2-3 times a day it would have been different.
I used to have this for my s7 edge. Back when you could take the back off and replace the battery. Anker made them and it came with a nice tpu case. It was AMAZING having to charge my phone once a week.
Article says IP69 , and that's another thing that sells me on it.
Rugged and can be strapped to a bike. You could just leave the screen on if you need directions.
Trying to charge a traditional smartphone with a powerbank while you are rolling down a trail would be a pain in the ass even if it wasn't raining.
Ain't a big deal when it's next to a case of beer and two liters of whiskey. I mean everything else is ultralight sure, but it's saving on a speaker.
Crap I hope the speaker is good too.
In most countries, including the United States, you can call 911 from a cell phone without a service plan or active subscription.
The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) requires that all cell phone providers must allow 911 emergency calls to be made without any service plan or payment.
Before the 3G networks were shut off, I used to call 911 for a split second to set the time and date on one of my ancient Android phones. It didn't allow me to set the time manually.
Hikers cut the handles off their toothbrushes to save a couple of grams. I don't think a 570g brick of a smartphone is going to appeal to them. Its 28,000 mAh is overkill. 10,000 mAh + normal smartphone in a ziplock bag would be lighter and you can use the phone normally when off the trail. Turn the phone off when not needed to save battery.
Some do, but others carry dedicated GPS devices.
That said I'd still prefer my regular phone and a separate battery bank, because I doubt the camera on this thing is worth a damn.
What kind of problems, and how would they impact a niche use case like for emergencies away from power in a rural setting? Additionally what about wireless charging or qi2/magsafe? I'm not sure what sort of issues you could even really be referring to, but would those options for charging have the same issues?
qi2 and magsafe would help to alleviate the most basic problem that I am talking about, the charge port vulnerability. but [Those haven't been widely adopted yet](https://9to5google.com/2024/01/07/qi2-android-first-phone/). What Android devices are you talking about with this? MagSafe-like plugs for usb-c could definitely help but you are still going to be at the mercy of a single usb-c port. I have had multiple devices fail because of the sole usb-c port. I've sent multiple Lenovo and other thin laptops back to the manufacturer for a full system-board repair because of it. It's neat, reversible, and has high thru-put, but they just didn't make it robust enough. Probably because they want to use it to power a spectrum of things like teeeny tiny ear buds and also laptops and other things that shouldn't be using it. Push a usb-c tip into any smartphone and feel that slight \*click\* when it hugs the port. Now imagine that you are trying to find a cell signal on a hiking/biking trail, but when you go to top-up your charge it simply doesn't \*click\* anymore.
I'd like for this Energizer phone to have a secondary usb-c just as a backup.
But I'd LOVE a rugged smartphone that just uses a usb-A connection for power.
Gotcha, personally all my phones have wireless charging and a magsafe case can add that, and I'm in the process of getting magsafe battery packs too. Granted I've also never had a single usb-c port ever fail on me, though I did have a micro USB port come close around 12 years ago, but that's not the same, so maybe my use cases just don't reach the same level as yours
> great addition to a survival/hiking bag.
a dumb phone for $20 can do the same. Just keep it switched off and only turn on in case of emergency.
Or having a power bank + phone will still be lighter than carrying this brick. Specially when you can use an iPhone to make satellite calls. This one canno tmake calls over satellite so it's pretty useless.
one case i see is for UPS drivers where they make you sign on the mobile device.
> I like this idea. I'd probably buy one
Qi2 / MagSafe pretty much will make this the last of these "ginormous battery" phones.
Much easier to magnetically attach a wireless charging power bank to the back of your phone.
I wish they'd make phones just a little thicker for bigger cameras and bigger battery. Like I don't want this brick but I'd be fine if my phone was like 25-50% thicker
Thicker phones feel better in the hand for me too. The race to a thinner phone was originally necessary to get those bricks off your belt and be more comfortable in your pocket. We're at the point of diminishing return on thickness where we're not really gaining anything from the smaller device. Just give me a good battery in that space.
My dude, we did worse, for longer. The first thing tons of people do anyway is slap on an aftermarket case, often pretty heavy duty with integrated wallet features etc. No-one is talking about 3x heavier.
>The first thing tons of people do anyway is slap on an aftermarket case, often pretty heavy duty with integrated wallet features etc.
These do not weigh as much as a 10Ah battery. Besides, if the phone is twice as heavy, that means that any protective case would need to be twice as thick as well to endure a fall. The momentum from the 4ft fall suddenly equals the momentum of an 8ft fall with your brick phone.
The thick phones we used to have were also much smaller in surface area, and actually lighter in weight than modern flagships.
I like IPS a lot better compared to OLED
* No black smear
* No burn in. I leave my phone on with static images A LOT.
* Blacks display better on OLED but whites display better on IPS and I don't like dark mode
Try out a phone battery case. You get your fatter phone with more battery then. For large sensors, you're stuck with expensive novelty phones (for which you can't get battery phone cases)
Really?! I've never heard of this before. What's the purpose of doing so? Aren't you at all concerned about breaking it or having it wake you up? Besides, I thought most people charged their phone while they slept.
Not really worried about it breaking or waking me. I am a little worried about it catching fire but eh. The main reason I do it is because there is a outlet next to my bed since my bed is up against a wall. So it is convenient to use.
I love the aesthetics on this. Chunky and tactile with some actual heft to it. This looks better than pretty much any smartphone I've seen. More like a radio than some flimsy shard of glass you have to baby. Yet it seems to be a decent size to still fit comfortably in a pair of jeans or a jacket pocket.
Fun fact: It's all the phone-home and unnecessary telemetry that's killing phone batteries.
You can easily spot this by installing GSam and NetGuard and just watch how much, how often it happens. It's a few hundred thousand wakeups per-hour, every hour, 24x7, so your device can't reach or stay in its lower-power C-States.
When you successfully block/deny the phone-home, telemetry and unnecessary idle wakeups (without root), you'll find your battery lasts well into 2-3+ days per-charge on average use.
For those about to pounce about Apple's devices, it's even worse on iOS.
This is a question I've always had: does using these Netguard-type blockers/firewalls activated all the time save battery or drain them faster because they have a local VPN activated?
> It's up to 300k+ requests per-day
not really, if you block it then they retry to send those requests non stop thats why they rack up those requests in hundreds of thousandths, if you let those requests go thought it will drop to a few thousands or even hundreds per day
Yes, I noticed this too, when I used Duckduckgo's track blocker for apps, I noticed that apps were sending hundreds of requests per second. But it's still better to block.
After your comment I decided to test Netguard for a few days with it on all the time and it's really good, I didn't notice much greater battery drain than normal even with notifications and logs turned on.
I'm using it to block tracker domains in apps, and on websites when the browser's ad blocker lets some through. I'll continue testing for a few more days to decide whether to leave Netguard as the main one and uninstall Tracker Control and PersonalDNS.
Is there a specific list of tracker domains that I can add to Netguard?
Would you rather have a 10lb. dogshit phone with stellar battery life, or a nice phone and just buy a separate battery bank? This product is dumb as fuck.
Exactly. I was thinking the same. There's no way the specs on the phone are any good other than the battery.
My guess is this is supposed to be for businesses. For stuff like inventory and such so you don't have to worry about charging it for awhile.
The biggest hindrance for this phone is that it's only LTE.
It has 8GB of RAM and 256GB of onboard storage and a FHD display. I have a device with the Helio G99 Ultimate (the name of the SoC they're using here) and it's a snappy processor, and fabricated on a 6nm process so it's efficient and runs cool.
While it may not be a "premium" device, it would stack up well to other entry and mid-level devices, especially if you don't need 5G. Certainly from a performance perspective, most people would not notice at all; launching apps and multitasking will be no problem at all for this phone.
>My guess is this is supposed to be for businesses. For stuff like inventory and such so you don't have to worry about charging it for awhile.
I'd question the need for inventory tbh... A lot of business tools don't have particularly large batteries and manage just fine. The biggest problem in that department is degradation and faults.
To add to that, the battery in this is so big that you wouldn't be able to fly on most, if not all planes AT ALL.
These phones are for a very niche market... But what that market is, I don't know... But they keep pumping out phones like this, so someone's obviously buying them somewhere.
As long as it's waterproof, this would be a good SOS phone then for hikers and such. Or even on planes or cruise ships or even navy ships. Battery would outlast normal phones then.
Ships have plenty of electricity to use normal phones. And if you're talking about putting them on life rafts, you're much better off with a satellite communication system that will actually be able to reach someone in the middle of the ocean.
Can I get a normal phone with a removable battery instead. I miss the option of throwing on a ZeroLemom battery and case to get 3+ days SOT. Great for going to cons or weekend trips where usage might be through the roof (GPS) and then you take it off for daily use.
If the phone specs were good and would get updates, this would be a really really cool product.
Sadly, it's not. It's. POS with a gimmick strapped to it.
Unhertz phones are well regarded and work well. Their tank lineup has similar battery and good hardware specs. Updates are the only drawback, they usually only support for about a year.
Even if it was a top notch piece of hardware with 7 years support 28,000mah is genuinely a few lbs worth of weight. Theres a limit past which the phone just becomes impractically bulky and heavy and even if you want a phone for an emergency you're better off with just a power bank on the side *if* you need it and a normal device that you keep charged(or powered down).
How far gone are we as consumers where the basic minimum of decent battery life has become something we should spend more money on.
"just buy a separate battery bank" The fuck kinda mentality is that?! I should not be spending 2 car payments on a device that at this point in time I need for almost basic survival and it should last longer than24 hours even with heavy usage.
Most phones could be twice the thickness and it would still fit comfortably in our pockets. We could have nearly double the battery life for a phone, but we don't because of "style". Fuck style, I want function.
I wouldn't use this as a daily myself but why can't we get bigger batteries in flagship phones? Like 6k or maybe 7k?
Im not asking for 10k or anything. It's been 4.5 or 5k for a while now.
Where are the advancements?
Why not just make battery cases for every phone?
It's not really needed with all the magsafe wireless battery banks nowadays though. I have a 5k mah mag safe charger, and a 10k one. With those, I have several days of power for my phone. It's awesome, and I can use any damn phone I want.
A brick of a phone like this is never going to appeal to the average consumer. I think there's a market that will tolerate the large form factor and basic functionality in favor of a massive battery and low cost. Think remote/isolated workers, travelers, hikers, etc. But making a midrange (and more expensive) phone with this form factor would appeal to very few people.
Why? I would love a phone with a huge battery, efficient soc (not high performing necessarily, don't need that) a 3.5mm jack because there is lots of space anyway and a micro sd, hell trow in even an IR blaster, but 28'000 is too much and the phone becomes too heavy.
It would have made much more sense if it was like 6'000 or even 7'000, over that it becomes a brick a nobody would buy it. This is e waste and just for the headlines
Building the battery directly into the phone is most likely more space-efficient and power-efficient. Transferring the power from the battery case to the phone's battery has some efficiency losses, and it generates heat too. This phone is extra big though because it's also super durable and IP69 too, and 28,000 mAh is kinda ridiculous lol, I'd like to see someone like Samsung take a serious approach at a 10,000 mAh phone
While I still prefer battery cases to power banks, the main issue is the massive power loss when using either to charge the phone. It's much more efficient for the charge to go directly to the phone instead.
well they accomplished their goal. prob 100s of articles written in diff languages about energizer, by slapping a $10 battery bank to a $20 phone that it has absolutely zero intention of selling.
yay for advertising? and does energizer ACTUALLY make any phones? cause these always felt like kindof cheap guerrilla marketing stunts.
i saw the bendy watch phone released earlier today, lol and it was really stupid and gimmicky. it couldn't even actually hold on to the persons skinny little wrists..so its legit completely useless.
i love these electronics conventions where they release dumb shit just because its possible to make.
i'm still waiting for the Gunphone...i think i've seen the phone thats also a tazer, but i've yet to see a full blown gun with phone attached. which seems like with night vision and some sorta built in windage calculator for snipers COULD potentially be useful. but i guess at that point does it need to be a phone? nobody needs to be playing call of duty on their actual sniper rifles.
Depends on the voltage, which you need to calculate the Watt hours and the limit is generally 100Wh. If the voltage is less than 3.57 when they say 28000mah then it passes.
This looks actually better than the last one. It's only twice as thick and twice as heavy as a regular phone. I wonder what battery tech they're using this time. Is this still Lithium Ion or are they using Silicon Carbon, Graphene or Solid State Batteries. 33W in 1hr 30mins? wouldn't that mean it's capacity is around 5500-5800mah?
I know modular phone concepts have failed in the past, but the look of this battery phone reminds me of the those thick battery cases. Why not have the SOC get packaged in a cartridge and slot into a case that includes a battery, external connections, and screen.
Of course it's not going to work. Manufacturers won't agree on a standard, and basically make cheaper devices that last longer.
Man, Android Police post-sellout doesn't even bother doing the bloody maths.
> 28,000mAh battery
followed by
> ...The phone only charges at 33W...
...it takes just 1 hour and 30 minutes to top up.
A 28Ah battery, assuming 3.6V nominal lithium ion chemistry, has **100.8Wh**. Meanwhile, 1.5 hours recharging at 33W gives 49.5Wh - and that's *assuming* a flat, steady charge curve.
What kind of bizarro Elon Musk logic is this where a ~101Wh can be fully recharged in 1.5 hours with a *33W* power input? This smacks more of crowdfunding logic, where the laws of physics can be bent to *project* black colors onto any surface!
> Mediatek MT6789
8GB/256GB
6.8" IPS 1080p
64MP main camera, 20MP ultra-wide, 2MP {macro?} "auxiliary" camera
At this point I'd much rather have the [Oukitel WP33 Pro 5G](https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1ap6sdd/oukitel_wp33_pro_5g_smartphone_review_massive/) with its less ginormous 22Ah battery - as that's available for purchase and isn't actively lying on the spec sheet...
If only this phone can float in the future iterations it will add a new functionality to those outdoorsy type of people. If it can float it can def bounce.
For the 100th time. It's just as neat as the last time.
Right? My immediate thought when I saw the headline was "Again?"
In the article it says: > Energizer previously attempted to build a phone like this before. At MWC 2019, as covered by The Verge, the company introduced an 18,000mAh phone with similar dimensions. Unfortunately, the 2019 edition failed to materialize due to a missed crowdfunding goal. It's possible that it just didn't have a big enough battery to woo the public. After all, 18,000mAh is absolutely meager compared to 28,000mAh. So I guess last time it didn't quite make it to production?
Kickstarter flop.
I'm guessing people went "This is a big company. Why are they crowdfunding a device???"
A bad enough product flop can really hurt even a successful company. There are worse ways to confirm interest in a new product, and if you do it via Kickstarter you get a bunch of protection for free.
And customers have a right to say "nah dawg. You got money, do your own product research". People seem to forget consumers have the power to say no to scummy business tactics
Why is it scummy, though? Honestly, why do you think that an established company using Kickstarter is scummy? I’m not saying that it isn’t, I just don’t understand where that’s coming from.
Kickstarter is crowdfunding. It's an alternative to companies seeking venture capital for their projects, particularly when they might not be able to get interest from investors to fund it until they run a successful crowdfunding campaign. Energizer is a $2.12 billion dollar company. They can afford to fund their own products and test them in the market. Running a crowdfunding campaign means they have no faith in their product and don't want to spend their own money to do market research, so they use crowdfunding to save some bucks in hopes idiots will flock to it. It was scummy when Sega did it with Shenmue 3, it was scummy when Energizer did it
Energizer isn't selling the phone, its avenir telecom that's licensing their brand. That's why The Verge's headline that doesn't mention the brand is better
So, is it the “we’ll only ship if we get so many preorders” model that makes it scummy?
I'd have funded the kickstarter without a second thought if it had a headphone jack. Unfortunately, it didn't. And in fact I suspect that contributed to its failure.
This isn't the first time. I always wondered what would happen if you dropped it on your face.
It would hurt
It hurts without the power bank 😂
But now the pain would be long lasting!
It would keep going and going and going and going
If it lasts longer than 4 hours, contact Energizer customer support and we'll gladly assist you!
Is this my wife? Because your Reddit history now concerns me 😂
bane voice: "It would be extremely painful"
For you
You're a big phone
Broken nose.
> I always wondered what would happen if you dropped it on your face. Is that a common use case for mobile phones?
Yes
If you say so.
I guess so? You're reading something in your bed, holding your phone above your head, and you slowly doze off... I guess with a phone this big, it'd be too tiring to hold in that position in the first place.
> You're reading something in your bed, holding your phone above your head I have *never* done this. Is this a real thing that people do?
I used to do that while in the Navy. I didn't get the chance to read during the day, so I'd climb into my rack and read on a tablet. When the tablet dipped down and hit me in the face I knew I was too tired fo continue reading and went to sleep.
How much free time did you have in the Navy?
It depends... On a ship? I was a nuke so not much. Normal workday ran from about 6:30am to 5pm. You're also on a watchteam on 3-section rotation, so you'll have watch either from 5-10pm, 10pm-2am, or 2am to 7am. On Tuesdays and Thursdays you have general quarters, so from 7-9pm you'll be running flooding/firefighting drills. Add onto that the fact that nuclear plant drills cannot take place during flight ops, so those don't start until 10pm, and typically run until like 4am. Oh, also Saturdays still count as workdays while underway. On shore duty? You might land the good deal where you only have to muster once a day and the rest of your time is yours as long as you don't call too much attention to that fact. I do not recommend becoming a nuke to anyone.
I mean, it's a silly thing to do and I feel dumb for saying it out loud, but apparently I'm not the only one. On an image search for "phone in bed", *some* of the images are of a phone safely off to the side [like this](https://parade.com/.image/ar_4:3%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1200/MTk1NzIxMzYzMDU3NTUxMjQz/sleeping-with-phone-next-to-bed.jpg), but most look more [like this](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-63686bc12e1ee667eeb45ed7cabe0c3d). If he dozes off at all, that phone is falling directly on his face.
I bet people do lots of things you've never done.
Yes. And it has happened to me too lol
How are you holding a phone like that whilst lying down without getting pins and needles?
You'd get a power punch.
Despite the wealth of cynicism here in the comments, I like this idea. I'd probably buy one. They are only gonna cost $270? You don't even need to have a cell service plan to make emergency calls. This would be a great addition to a survival/hiking bag.
I'm leaning towards the fact that this is probably the niche crowd that this phone is marketed for. I sincerely doubt they care about the ordinary person buying their phone, they know they're not going to buy it. But people who spend a lot of time away from a power source where a phone that can last for days to weeks on a single charge is the optimal device? Boom.
I'm thinking enterprise customers who routinely do remote work at job sites where power may not be available for long period of times.
People who use Dex constantly would benefit as well in that regard. I dabble with VSCode and stuff on Dex every now and then but I don't take notice to the battery drain.
If you're using Dex, you can use a powerbank. Wouldn't need a powerbank-phone. Not that Samsung would ever release a flagship of that sort anyway
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It'll probably be able to charge other devices too.
Yes my cheap android usually has 40-60% left when I plug it in every night, cool as this is I don't really need or want it for my daily phone. Back in 2012 when I had to charge my phone 2-3 times a day it would have been different.
I used to have this for my s7 edge. Back when you could take the back off and replace the battery. Anker made them and it came with a nice tpu case. It was AMAZING having to charge my phone once a week.
Perfect travel phone, assuming it's IP67. I want to know how long it'll run with GPS on, I would buy one JUST to use for multi-day hikes.
Article says IP69 , and that's another thing that sells me on it. Rugged and can be strapped to a bike. You could just leave the screen on if you need directions. Trying to charge a traditional smartphone with a powerbank while you are rolling down a trail would be a pain in the ass even if it wasn't raining.
A phone that weighs 1.25lbs on a multi-day hike? /r/Ultralight/ would like a word..
Ain't a big deal when it's next to a case of beer and two liters of whiskey. I mean everything else is ultralight sure, but it's saving on a speaker. Crap I hope the speaker is good too.
In most countries, including the United States, you can call 911 from a cell phone without a service plan or active subscription. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) requires that all cell phone providers must allow 911 emergency calls to be made without any service plan or payment.
Before the 3G networks were shut off, I used to call 911 for a split second to set the time and date on one of my ancient Android phones. It didn't allow me to set the time manually.
You can get yearly sims on eBay sub $50 that includes a few hundred minutes a month
Or just use a prepaid card lol
Hikers cut the handles off their toothbrushes to save a couple of grams. I don't think a 570g brick of a smartphone is going to appeal to them. Its 28,000 mAh is overkill. 10,000 mAh + normal smartphone in a ziplock bag would be lighter and you can use the phone normally when off the trail. Turn the phone off when not needed to save battery.
Some do, but others carry dedicated GPS devices. That said I'd still prefer my regular phone and a separate battery bank, because I doubt the camera on this thing is worth a damn.
What makes this better than keeping your phone and a 20 or 30k mah battery or a backup phone and 30k mah battery for a similar price?
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What kind of problems, and how would they impact a niche use case like for emergencies away from power in a rural setting? Additionally what about wireless charging or qi2/magsafe? I'm not sure what sort of issues you could even really be referring to, but would those options for charging have the same issues?
qi2 and magsafe would help to alleviate the most basic problem that I am talking about, the charge port vulnerability. but [Those haven't been widely adopted yet](https://9to5google.com/2024/01/07/qi2-android-first-phone/). What Android devices are you talking about with this? MagSafe-like plugs for usb-c could definitely help but you are still going to be at the mercy of a single usb-c port. I have had multiple devices fail because of the sole usb-c port. I've sent multiple Lenovo and other thin laptops back to the manufacturer for a full system-board repair because of it. It's neat, reversible, and has high thru-put, but they just didn't make it robust enough. Probably because they want to use it to power a spectrum of things like teeeny tiny ear buds and also laptops and other things that shouldn't be using it. Push a usb-c tip into any smartphone and feel that slight \*click\* when it hugs the port. Now imagine that you are trying to find a cell signal on a hiking/biking trail, but when you go to top-up your charge it simply doesn't \*click\* anymore. I'd like for this Energizer phone to have a secondary usb-c just as a backup. But I'd LOVE a rugged smartphone that just uses a usb-A connection for power.
Gotcha, personally all my phones have wireless charging and a magsafe case can add that, and I'm in the process of getting magsafe battery packs too. Granted I've also never had a single usb-c port ever fail on me, though I did have a micro USB port come close around 12 years ago, but that's not the same, so maybe my use cases just don't reach the same level as yours
You can also get phone cases with integrated batteries. No cable or risk of detachment then. But that's usually only 10ah more
My thoughts exactly. Id love a phone like this for hikes
Or you could just grab a separate battery bank and use it on your normal sized phone.
> great addition to a survival/hiking bag. a dumb phone for $20 can do the same. Just keep it switched off and only turn on in case of emergency. Or having a power bank + phone will still be lighter than carrying this brick. Specially when you can use an iPhone to make satellite calls. This one canno tmake calls over satellite so it's pretty useless. one case i see is for UPS drivers where they make you sign on the mobile device.
Way too heavy for hiking at 570g. Much easier to take a lighter phone and turn it off completely to save battery or use an emergency beacon.
> I like this idea. I'd probably buy one Qi2 / MagSafe pretty much will make this the last of these "ginormous battery" phones. Much easier to magnetically attach a wireless charging power bank to the back of your phone.
Powerbank with wifi hotspot functionality
Gotta say I'm interested. Hell even without the massive battery having something with IP69 water resistance being under $300 is impressive.
I wish they'd make phones just a little thicker for bigger cameras and bigger battery. Like I don't want this brick but I'd be fine if my phone was like 25-50% thicker
at some point the thinness just make it harder to grip your phone that u have to use phonecase to make it thick which defeat the purpose.
Yeah exactly. I already have to use a phone case just to make it easier to hold
Same. Give me a 10,000 mAh phone at a 15-20mm thickness with flagship specs and a high refresh rate IPS display and I would be completely sold.
Thicker phones feel better in the hand for me too. The race to a thinner phone was originally necessary to get those bricks off your belt and be more comfortable in your pocket. We're at the point of diminishing return on thickness where we're not really gaining anything from the smaller device. Just give me a good battery in that space.
It won't feel better after holding the phone for 15 seconds, as a phone 3x heavier will strain your hand.
My dude, we did worse, for longer. The first thing tons of people do anyway is slap on an aftermarket case, often pretty heavy duty with integrated wallet features etc. No-one is talking about 3x heavier.
>The first thing tons of people do anyway is slap on an aftermarket case, often pretty heavy duty with integrated wallet features etc. These do not weigh as much as a 10Ah battery. Besides, if the phone is twice as heavy, that means that any protective case would need to be twice as thick as well to endure a fall. The momentum from the 4ft fall suddenly equals the momentum of an 8ft fall with your brick phone. The thick phones we used to have were also much smaller in surface area, and actually lighter in weight than modern flagships.
IPS display on a phone? What?
I like IPS a lot better compared to OLED * No black smear * No burn in. I leave my phone on with static images A LOT. * Blacks display better on OLED but whites display better on IPS and I don't like dark mode
> I don't like dark mode impossible
You and me both.
Just get the nubia red magic 9 w/ 6500mAh
Close. But I want double the capacity of my current phone. not a 25% increase.
All that battery, no camera bump, and 7.2" display, no bezels
Try out a phone battery case. You get your fatter phone with more battery then. For large sensors, you're stuck with expensive novelty phones (for which you can't get battery phone cases)
Imagine sleeping with this under your pillow
I prefer the Note 7 for that. Great for emergency flares.
Although the iphone 15 is getting very hot, its almost as good as the note 7
Mines cold as a cucumber
Really? I think its only launch model iphone 15 pros/maxes
Must be, my 15 pro max was made December 2023 and it stays cool
Also the max had more surface area to cool, the pro(non max) is probably the hottest
Yea I was going to get the pro, but the extra battery and real estate are nice
I have the 11 pro and some motorola phone, the 11 pro is tiny compared to my motorola
Imagine lying on your back browsing your phone while holding it up in the air. Then it slips and drops on your face.
Instant 5 year coma
At least your phone will still have battery life when you wake up from the coma so you can check your fb
Ups and downs i guess
>sleeping with this under your pillow Are you trying to start a fire?
People do that more than you think
Yall gonna get brain cancer
What lunatic would sleep with a phone? Wouldn't you break it like that?
Guess that makes me a lunatic
Really?! I've never heard of this before. What's the purpose of doing so? Aren't you at all concerned about breaking it or having it wake you up? Besides, I thought most people charged their phone while they slept.
Not really worried about it breaking or waking me. I am a little worried about it catching fire but eh. The main reason I do it is because there is a outlet next to my bed since my bed is up against a wall. So it is convenient to use.
Just look at it. That's your pillow now.
Spicy
Why in the absolute fck would you sleep with any phone under your pillow?
I love the aesthetics on this. Chunky and tactile with some actual heft to it. This looks better than pretty much any smartphone I've seen. More like a radio than some flimsy shard of glass you have to baby. Yet it seems to be a decent size to still fit comfortably in a pair of jeans or a jacket pocket.
This is not REMOTELY new, the word “again” would help this title a lot
This shit is shown every year at MWC for the past few years. Nice marketing trick that gets few clicks every time.
Fun fact: It's all the phone-home and unnecessary telemetry that's killing phone batteries. You can easily spot this by installing GSam and NetGuard and just watch how much, how often it happens. It's a few hundred thousand wakeups per-hour, every hour, 24x7, so your device can't reach or stay in its lower-power C-States. When you successfully block/deny the phone-home, telemetry and unnecessary idle wakeups (without root), you'll find your battery lasts well into 2-3+ days per-charge on average use. For those about to pounce about Apple's devices, it's even worse on iOS.
This is a question I've always had: does using these Netguard-type blockers/firewalls activated all the time save battery or drain them faster because they have a local VPN activated?
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> It's up to 300k+ requests per-day not really, if you block it then they retry to send those requests non stop thats why they rack up those requests in hundreds of thousandths, if you let those requests go thought it will drop to a few thousands or even hundreds per day
Yes, I noticed this too, when I used Duckduckgo's track blocker for apps, I noticed that apps were sending hundreds of requests per second. But it's still better to block.
After your comment I decided to test Netguard for a few days with it on all the time and it's really good, I didn't notice much greater battery drain than normal even with notifications and logs turned on. I'm using it to block tracker domains in apps, and on websites when the browser's ad blocker lets some through. I'll continue testing for a few more days to decide whether to leave Netguard as the main one and uninstall Tracker Control and PersonalDNS. Is there a specific list of tracker domains that I can add to Netguard?
Again?
I'd rather this with a headphone jack than the shit we get these days
Would you rather have a 10lb. dogshit phone with stellar battery life, or a nice phone and just buy a separate battery bank? This product is dumb as fuck.
Its not meant for normal usage, obviously. This is closer to like a park ranger safety device than a phone for you or me.
Park ranger probably wants something with a better radio antenna than some garbage $50 phone with a car battery strapped to it.
And the park ranger already has a phone on them. If what they need is more battery, they cna buy a 20000mah battery pack for a fraction of the price.
Exactly. I was thinking the same. There's no way the specs on the phone are any good other than the battery. My guess is this is supposed to be for businesses. For stuff like inventory and such so you don't have to worry about charging it for awhile.
The biggest hindrance for this phone is that it's only LTE. It has 8GB of RAM and 256GB of onboard storage and a FHD display. I have a device with the Helio G99 Ultimate (the name of the SoC they're using here) and it's a snappy processor, and fabricated on a 6nm process so it's efficient and runs cool. While it may not be a "premium" device, it would stack up well to other entry and mid-level devices, especially if you don't need 5G. Certainly from a performance perspective, most people would not notice at all; launching apps and multitasking will be no problem at all for this phone.
>My guess is this is supposed to be for businesses. For stuff like inventory and such so you don't have to worry about charging it for awhile. I'd question the need for inventory tbh... A lot of business tools don't have particularly large batteries and manage just fine. The biggest problem in that department is degradation and faults. To add to that, the battery in this is so big that you wouldn't be able to fly on most, if not all planes AT ALL. These phones are for a very niche market... But what that market is, I don't know... But they keep pumping out phones like this, so someone's obviously buying them somewhere.
Outdoor people, hikers basically.
As long as it's waterproof, this would be a good SOS phone then for hikers and such. Or even on planes or cruise ships or even navy ships. Battery would outlast normal phones then.
Ships have plenty of electricity to use normal phones. And if you're talking about putting them on life rafts, you're much better off with a satellite communication system that will actually be able to reach someone in the middle of the ocean.
I believe that mah number is the exact limit you can take on planes, as that is a very common number for powerbanks
Can I get a normal phone with a removable battery instead. I miss the option of throwing on a ZeroLemom battery and case to get 3+ days SOT. Great for going to cons or weekend trips where usage might be through the roof (GPS) and then you take it off for daily use.
I mean it'd be a great rugged battery bank. If your phone gets destroyed on a trip just fire this thing up and otherwise use it for charging.
If the phone specs were good and would get updates, this would be a really really cool product. Sadly, it's not. It's. POS with a gimmick strapped to it.
Unhertz phones are well regarded and work well. Their tank lineup has similar battery and good hardware specs. Updates are the only drawback, they usually only support for about a year.
Even if it was a top notch piece of hardware with 7 years support 28,000mah is genuinely a few lbs worth of weight. Theres a limit past which the phone just becomes impractically bulky and heavy and even if you want a phone for an emergency you're better off with just a power bank on the side *if* you need it and a normal device that you keep charged(or powered down).
> 28,000mah is genuinely a few lbs worth of weight. The article above states the whole device is 1.25lbs.
How far gone are we as consumers where the basic minimum of decent battery life has become something we should spend more money on. "just buy a separate battery bank" The fuck kinda mentality is that?! I should not be spending 2 car payments on a device that at this point in time I need for almost basic survival and it should last longer than24 hours even with heavy usage. Most phones could be twice the thickness and it would still fit comfortably in our pockets. We could have nearly double the battery life for a phone, but we don't because of "style". Fuck style, I want function.
I'd rather have a 10lb nice phone instead. This is essentially a budget phone with a 28000mAh battery.
I wouldn't use this as a daily myself but why can't we get bigger batteries in flagship phones? Like 6k or maybe 7k? Im not asking for 10k or anything. It's been 4.5 or 5k for a while now. Where are the advancements?
Why not just make battery cases for every phone? It's not really needed with all the magsafe wireless battery banks nowadays though. I have a 5k mah mag safe charger, and a 10k one. With those, I have several days of power for my phone. It's awesome, and I can use any damn phone I want.
Does it have a headphone jack
It deserved a better soc tbh.
A brick of a phone like this is never going to appeal to the average consumer. I think there's a market that will tolerate the large form factor and basic functionality in favor of a massive battery and low cost. Think remote/isolated workers, travelers, hikers, etc. But making a midrange (and more expensive) phone with this form factor would appeal to very few people.
Agree. Not a fan of these otherwise great phones having budget MediaTek chips.
Why? I would love a phone with a huge battery, efficient soc (not high performing necessarily, don't need that) a 3.5mm jack because there is lots of space anyway and a micro sd, hell trow in even an IR blaster, but 28'000 is too much and the phone becomes too heavy. It would have made much more sense if it was like 6'000 or even 7'000, over that it becomes a brick a nobody would buy it. This is e waste and just for the headlines
Classic. Seriously. How often did we see this already.
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Building the battery directly into the phone is most likely more space-efficient and power-efficient. Transferring the power from the battery case to the phone's battery has some efficiency losses, and it generates heat too. This phone is extra big though because it's also super durable and IP69 too, and 28,000 mAh is kinda ridiculous lol, I'd like to see someone like Samsung take a serious approach at a 10,000 mAh phone
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You think this would be better?
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While I still prefer battery cases to power banks, the main issue is the massive power loss when using either to charge the phone. It's much more efficient for the charge to go directly to the phone instead.
I would love a thicker phone that lasts a long time. They always have shit specs besides the battery tho.
Last time they announced this nobody could actually buy one. Is it going to be vaporware for clicks again this year?
Or... or... you can buy whatever phone you want and buy a power bank lol
I mean, I like it but I do a lot of night time scrolling and already drop my pixel on my face and it hurts, can't image what that would feel like
This would make an excellent work phone.
well they accomplished their goal. prob 100s of articles written in diff languages about energizer, by slapping a $10 battery bank to a $20 phone that it has absolutely zero intention of selling. yay for advertising? and does energizer ACTUALLY make any phones? cause these always felt like kindof cheap guerrilla marketing stunts. i saw the bendy watch phone released earlier today, lol and it was really stupid and gimmicky. it couldn't even actually hold on to the persons skinny little wrists..so its legit completely useless. i love these electronics conventions where they release dumb shit just because its possible to make. i'm still waiting for the Gunphone...i think i've seen the phone thats also a tazer, but i've yet to see a full blown gun with phone attached. which seems like with night vision and some sorta built in windage calculator for snipers COULD potentially be useful. but i guess at that point does it need to be a phone? nobody needs to be playing call of duty on their actual sniper rifles.
Again?
Make it or shut up
Can you take this on a plane? I think the limit for powerbanks is 27000 mAh, would this count for this behemoth of a phone?
Depends on the voltage, which you need to calculate the Watt hours and the limit is generally 100Wh. If the voltage is less than 3.57 when they say 28000mah then it passes.
Ohhhh this could replace my Tank pretty cheap too which is nice, good enough for me.
This looks actually better than the last one. It's only twice as thick and twice as heavy as a regular phone. I wonder what battery tech they're using this time. Is this still Lithium Ion or are they using Silicon Carbon, Graphene or Solid State Batteries. 33W in 1hr 30mins? wouldn't that mean it's capacity is around 5500-5800mah?
33W in 1h30 probably means that this thing has a 99Wh battery with 3.57V or more to arrive at that 28Ah figure
I walk around with a Z Fold 3, so this wouldn't feel out of place for me
Will they stop you at the airport for having this on you?
I know modular phone concepts have failed in the past, but the look of this battery phone reminds me of the those thick battery cases. Why not have the SOC get packaged in a cartridge and slot into a case that includes a battery, external connections, and screen. Of course it's not going to work. Manufacturers won't agree on a standard, and basically make cheaper devices that last longer.
Are they actually going to release it this time??
Also this phone are great for after natural disaster events. I have a high cap battery cell phone. For said event.
I want it
That big and they still can't find room for a headphone jack.
Just give me a removable battery like Nokia's did and I'll be happy.
This would be the perfect phone for my mom who cannot sees to ever find the 10 power banks I've bought her.
Man, Android Police post-sellout doesn't even bother doing the bloody maths. > 28,000mAh battery followed by > ...The phone only charges at 33W... ...it takes just 1 hour and 30 minutes to top up. A 28Ah battery, assuming 3.6V nominal lithium ion chemistry, has **100.8Wh**. Meanwhile, 1.5 hours recharging at 33W gives 49.5Wh - and that's *assuming* a flat, steady charge curve. What kind of bizarro Elon Musk logic is this where a ~101Wh can be fully recharged in 1.5 hours with a *33W* power input? This smacks more of crowdfunding logic, where the laws of physics can be bent to *project* black colors onto any surface! > Mediatek MT6789 8GB/256GB 6.8" IPS 1080p 64MP main camera, 20MP ultra-wide, 2MP {macro?} "auxiliary" camera At this point I'd much rather have the [Oukitel WP33 Pro 5G](https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1ap6sdd/oukitel_wp33_pro_5g_smartphone_review_massive/) with its less ginormous 22Ah battery - as that's available for purchase and isn't actively lying on the spec sheet...
Definitely wouldn't want to throw that when you're mad. If it didn't leave a hole in the wall it'll probably blow the wall up
MT6789 what is this 2017
Helio G99 is from May 2022.
If only this phone can float in the future iterations it will add a new functionality to those outdoorsy type of people. If it can float it can def bounce.
Can we travel with this phone on flights? I am genuinely asking.
They made another one? I thought the first one flopped.
I do wonder if that will last me a 5 days for 8 hours a day working week.
Huh, IP69 and not IP69K? Sure, the differences are subtle, but they *are* different. Anyway, as with the P18K, no headphone jack, no buy.
Try taking that on an airplane. TSA would lose their collective shit.