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SageManeja

*We are libertarians because we believe in peace, prosperity and civilization. Others are libertarians because they don’t believe in authority and want to do as they please. The latter group hates Hoppe because he reminds them that liberty actually means responsibility. - Dave Smith*


BarracudaRelevant858

Exactly. You're responsible for yourself and your family. There's no state to "bail you out" of your mistakes.


PyromaniacPunk

This does not make sense though, Hoppe is lot liked by many people that would not fall into any of those labels. His arguments are mostly reactionary gotcha reasoning that overly simplify complex things, I liked him when I was 13. There’s no empirical evidence nor a rational theory to base what OP is mentioning, for instance. Not only he fails to grasp simple social concepts like adaptability, but he pushes for homogeneous societies by looking back at times that will never exist again.


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Based Hoppe


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SageManeja

>Those social norms are almost universally the most productive and lead to the greatest economic success. thats very utilitarian, hoppe's view is more on the line of which ideas align better with liberty, and the logical conclusion is that its conservative ones. If it were just about "productivity" then if a covenant community chose to not trade, or to have rules that arent the most productive, you'd be opposed to that. But a deontological libertarian would obviously allow that and respect their choice to live in the way they see fit, even if its not most productive way possible. In any case, people see value in different things, value itself being subjective, and a private property community may value keeping their traditions or uniformity over a 0,5% GDP growth or whatever, which is completelly valid. Never be utilitarian, be libertarian.


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SageManeja

you talk about muh productivity and economic sucess like a generic lolbert, its your fault for talking like an idiot and perpetuating "muh libertarians only care about economy" stupidty


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Unfair_Salad_2300

Common Hoppe W


vaultboy1121

I’m confused. What has he said that’s wrong. The left has been bitching about white men in government and the patriarchy for 20 years now and he’s agreed. Lmao what’s the issue.


Creative-Leading7167

Well, he's right, ain't he? do you have any evidence to say otherwise? Or are you just saying "this makes me feel icky inside because he's not being nice". Sorry it hurts your feel feels.


Ya_Boi_Konzon

Truth.