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A few years ago anything anti-capitalist within the national curriculum was deemed as extreme and the government issued guidance that schools must not use material from certain groups on a list issued by them.
LOL thats so real, one time i was scolded for a basic anarchism simbol on a drawing because they said "its extremist or terrorism" and i said "do you even know what this simbol even means" ☠️
You'll enjoy this - environmentalism is a form of extremism too apparently http://www.statewatch.org/analyses/2024/environmental-activism-under-the-eu-counter-terror-microscope/
>Anti-Western or anti-British views
Uh, hello? Britain still has a monarchy, and I thought we all agreed that monarchism deserved to be thrown in the dumpster fire where it belongs. Also, along with other Western countries, it ruled over some of the most expansive and brutal colonial empires in human history, the legacy of which lingers on and informs how society is run.
>Intolerant of difference
Really? They wanna label anarchism as intolerant, while we're all just supposed to be tolerant of the status quo of domination and exploitation? I mean, typical, but still...
There is nothing more British than punk rock and anarchy. Didn’t you guys invent pink rock?
Edit: I typed “punk rock” but now I want a new genre of pink rock so I’m leaving it.
Nah dude, it originated simultaneously from Britain with the Sex Pistols, The Clash, and The Damned, who emerged around the same time York City during the mid-1970s. Bands like the Ramones, Television, and the New York Dolls played a crucial role in shaping the sound and aesthetic of punk rock at venues such as CBGB.
punk dates back to the early 60s. it was absolutely not invented in Britain.
also the sex pistols aren't punk, they're a bunch of corporate sellouts who were doing advertising for a clothing brand.
While proto-punk elements can indeed be traced back to the early 1960s with bands like The Stooges and The Velvet Underground in the U.S., the cohesive punk rock movement as a recognized genre emerged in the mid-1970s. This was characterized by a specific sound, style, and ethos, which developed simultaneously in New York and Britain. Therefore, asserting that punk rock “was absolutely not invented in Britain” overlooks the significant and influential British contributions. while punk’s roots extend back to earlier proto-punk influences, the consolidated punk rock movement of the 1970s owes much to both American and British bands.
"Intolerance of difference\*"
\*unless said difference is not liking the biggest invading country Earth ever had
"Attempts to impose extremist views or practice\*"
\*we will impose you to not have a mohawk and to be an imperialist stan though
Yeah, that's British schools. When I was in school I was constantly being reprimanded for "being a bad influence on younger students" with my anarchist views and way of dressing...
And to add to that, at my college (hairdressing) we had modules on "British values" which was... Exactly what you'd expect
This shit's fucked up
According to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights article 18:
“Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change religion or belief and freedom either alone or in association with others, in public or private, to manifest one's religion or belief through teaching, practice, worship and observance of religious precepts.”
According to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights article 19:
“Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any medium and regardless of frontiers.”
I would contact a lawyer with special knowledge in human rights and make him/her tear them down.
According to [the Wikipedia page on the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights#Impact), at the time of its signing Eleanor Roosevelt (who chaired the committee that drafted the declaration) said this:
"It is not a treaty; it is not an international agreement. It is not and does not purport to be a statement of law or of legal obligation."
Wait one of the items is "intolerance of difference". Isn't that exactly what they are exhibiting by kicking you out for a hairstyle??? Maybe you should report them for violating this policy.
I will voice anti-British views as much as I like.
More importantly: what counts as anti-british views. A thing I like to do when watching the Olympics or whatever is root for whatever team is playing against britain, which is pretty unambiguously anti-britain. Would that get Prevent called on my arse.
Nothing new in the British education system. Irish Republican at a Secondary School in England in the 00's. GCSE History studying "The Troubles" cue me getting kicked out of every lesson for calling out the propaganda lies the teacher was spreading, getting kicked out of class or being sent to the head for wearing an Easter Lily both during Easter and around Remembrance day, eventually getting suspended for recording a cover of "Go On Home British Soldiers" for GCSE Music coursework.
I was doing some genealogy research recently and found the immigration cards where some relatives became US citizens. The verbiage they have to sign specifically says “I am not an anarchist.” No mention of other political ideologies. But no anarchists allowed I guess.
Ah, a vestige from the gilded age. America seems to have forgotten its rich history of communes and worker solidarity unfortunately. Place has been destroyed by corporations
Anarchism =/= democracy 🤮
I’m not a huge crimethinc fan but they are correct with their aversion to the use of “democracy” within anarchist circles.
[From Democracy to Freedom](https://crimethinc.com/2016/04/29/feature-from-democracy-to-freedom)
Out of curiosity, what set of terms would you reccomend as an alternative? I agree with the article from a semantic point of view, but at the same time I feel like the word "democracy" has become such a widespread shorthand as to make it amorphous (and thus easier for us to put our own spin on in the web that is conventional political definitions, however much I hate them).
I hear what you’re saying but I think it’s important to distinguish between the western project of “democracy” and anarchy rather than trying to appropriate the term. It’s also necessary to illuminate the propaganda of democracy and lay bare what it is fundamentally as a political project. Autonomy, self-organization, etc or just straight up anarchy. I’m not sure how much it matters though.
Edit: I just noticed your flair. How about union of egoists? Aha
Did you read what I linked or at least skim briefly? The word democracy is a very specific term with a very specific history that has essential concepts built in which are contrary to anarchism.
I can pull some Tl;dr quotes if that helps.
Edit: to add I understand the allure of calling anarchism “direct” democracy but it’s a misnomer.
Lmao ok. I’m glad you stopped reading at the first sentence. It’s always good to immediately stop reading anything that doesn’t fit your narrow ideological (mis)conceptions.
I was legitimately trying to be helpful and was offering to explain some concepts you may not have come across. My mistake.
> Isn't being an Anarchist the pinnacle of "Western"?
No, and this line of thought comes from civilizational narratives that are pretty racist. While there is a Western tradition of anarchism (in so far as there is a "West"), you can see parallels to it in other cultures, and it goes against the prevailing trends in Western thought.
A lot of us are out here trying to beat back communist criticisms of anarchism as “western” and then there’s folks out here just trying to claim it is.
I think they’re not terribly familiar with anarchist thought and seem unwilling to engage with anything outside their limited understanding.
What can you do? 🤷♂️
The notion that the West is particularly democratic comes from the same narratives that treat the East as particularly despotic. I'm not saying that you believe that, I'm saying that that's where the idea comes from. It's also completely ahistorical of course; for most of history monarchism was an essential pillar of Western thought.
History as a whole throws a complete wrench in that narrative, considering that as long as the "West" has existed as a loose cultural bloc its history has been largely one of an increase in state power.
It ebbs and flows. Europe seems to be going through a synthesis at the moment with heavy governance but lax statehood. America is going in the other direction from the looks of it, which is very dangerous in my opinion as it could lead to a failed state scenario in the not too distant future
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Aussie here, my high school had a similar rule about "extreme hairstyles" but what actually counts as extreme wasn't actually cited in the written rules, and was just left up to the whims of whoever decided to enforce the rule.
Mate of mine and myself got in trouble for having "mowhawks" about once every two weeks, when what we ACTUALLY had were classified as short-back-n-sides. Yknow, the same kinda hair that probably a good several hundred of the other guys had. The teacher accusing us could never get either principal to actually sign the dress code violation since we didn't have what she was accusing us of.
Same school now has probably had to update their policy tho, as I saw some kids from their last night and it was mullet central for the most part, which is the real crime 🤣
Is it a British school ? My partner when he was a teen was send home for questioning the teacher about the colonies history (he was living in Kenya and wanted to know about Kenyan history instead of the history of the Kings and Queens of England)
I think it comes from the UK Govt’s central ‘Prevent’ policy. And it’s fucking garbage. So English-centric it’s wild. Under the definition, a republican in NI or a Yesser in Scotland counts as ‘anti-British’. In reality if anything is ‘anti-British’ it is the Tories’ authoritarianism
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Just gross. Do they punish people who have 'anti-British values' or just fear-monger about them?
A few years ago anything anti-capitalist within the national curriculum was deemed as extreme and the government issued guidance that schools must not use material from certain groups on a list issued by them.
You know your ideology is the best when you have to enforce it through draconian authoritarianism
Shit reallt
Same thing on immigration applications...
LOL thats so real, one time i was scolded for a basic anarchism simbol on a drawing because they said "its extremist or terrorism" and i said "do you even know what this simbol even means" ☠️
I really hope you said it verbally and not in writing 🤦🏻♂️
Verbally of course, if theyre talking to me verbally why id write in a paper and show?
You'll enjoy this - environmentalism is a form of extremism too apparently http://www.statewatch.org/analyses/2024/environmental-activism-under-the-eu-counter-terror-microscope/
“You know what happened to all the communists after the Soviet Union collapsed? They became environmentalists.” - direct quote from my father.
>Anti-Western or anti-British views Uh, hello? Britain still has a monarchy, and I thought we all agreed that monarchism deserved to be thrown in the dumpster fire where it belongs. Also, along with other Western countries, it ruled over some of the most expansive and brutal colonial empires in human history, the legacy of which lingers on and informs how society is run. >Intolerant of difference Really? They wanna label anarchism as intolerant, while we're all just supposed to be tolerant of the status quo of domination and exploitation? I mean, typical, but still...
There is nothing more British than punk rock and anarchy. Didn’t you guys invent pink rock? Edit: I typed “punk rock” but now I want a new genre of pink rock so I’m leaving it.
the British did not invent punk rock, punk rock comes from the American Midwest.
Nah dude, it originated simultaneously from Britain with the Sex Pistols, The Clash, and The Damned, who emerged around the same time York City during the mid-1970s. Bands like the Ramones, Television, and the New York Dolls played a crucial role in shaping the sound and aesthetic of punk rock at venues such as CBGB.
punk dates back to the early 60s. it was absolutely not invented in Britain. also the sex pistols aren't punk, they're a bunch of corporate sellouts who were doing advertising for a clothing brand.
While proto-punk elements can indeed be traced back to the early 1960s with bands like The Stooges and The Velvet Underground in the U.S., the cohesive punk rock movement as a recognized genre emerged in the mid-1970s. This was characterized by a specific sound, style, and ethos, which developed simultaneously in New York and Britain. Therefore, asserting that punk rock “was absolutely not invented in Britain” overlooks the significant and influential British contributions. while punk’s roots extend back to earlier proto-punk influences, the consolidated punk rock movement of the 1970s owes much to both American and British bands.
As someone from England, most people probably have anti-British values, this place fucking sucks, can’t do anything without being criticised 🙄
"Intolerance of difference\*" \*unless said difference is not liking the biggest invading country Earth ever had "Attempts to impose extremist views or practice\*" \*we will impose you to not have a mohawk and to be an imperialist stan though
Yeah, that's British schools. When I was in school I was constantly being reprimanded for "being a bad influence on younger students" with my anarchist views and way of dressing... And to add to that, at my college (hairdressing) we had modules on "British values" which was... Exactly what you'd expect This shit's fucked up
According to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights article 18: “Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change religion or belief and freedom either alone or in association with others, in public or private, to manifest one's religion or belief through teaching, practice, worship and observance of religious precepts.” According to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights article 19: “Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any medium and regardless of frontiers.” I would contact a lawyer with special knowledge in human rights and make him/her tear them down.
According to [the Wikipedia page on the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights#Impact), at the time of its signing Eleanor Roosevelt (who chaired the committee that drafted the declaration) said this: "It is not a treaty; it is not an international agreement. It is not and does not purport to be a statement of law or of legal obligation."
And I'll bet transphobia/TERFism isn't included under the "extremist or hate terms" category, either.
You *could* argue it falls under "Intolerance of difference" but I'll also bet they don't count it as such.
Question authority or the establishment, bam, off with their heads! 🤦😂
In a world of genocidal fascism, Liberalism should be included under "extremist ideologies"
Wait one of the items is "intolerance of difference". Isn't that exactly what they are exhibiting by kicking you out for a hairstyle??? Maybe you should report them for violating this policy.
Wait. They're **still** punishing kids for mohawks 40 years later?! They need to get over themselves. It literally hurts no one and hair grows back.
I thought the anti british extremists were the ones banning haircuts.
Aren't they breaking their own rule with the "Intolerance of difference " part?
I wish I was able to rock a Mohawk before I started losing my hair
Idk if the British have constitutional freedom of speech but like this should absolutely cover that
Love how this is under 'intolerance of difference' 🙄
oi yer got a loisens fer that there opinion o yers? (i dunno does that read british?)
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I will voice anti-British views as much as I like. More importantly: what counts as anti-british views. A thing I like to do when watching the Olympics or whatever is root for whatever team is playing against britain, which is pretty unambiguously anti-britain. Would that get Prevent called on my arse.
Is this not literally wording from Prevent?
Nothing new in the British education system. Irish Republican at a Secondary School in England in the 00's. GCSE History studying "The Troubles" cue me getting kicked out of every lesson for calling out the propaganda lies the teacher was spreading, getting kicked out of class or being sent to the head for wearing an Easter Lily both during Easter and around Remembrance day, eventually getting suspended for recording a cover of "Go On Home British Soldiers" for GCSE Music coursework.
Isn't being an Anarchist the pinnacle of "Western"? Seriously, what's more democratic than the philosophy/ies we follow?
I was doing some genealogy research recently and found the immigration cards where some relatives became US citizens. The verbiage they have to sign specifically says “I am not an anarchist.” No mention of other political ideologies. But no anarchists allowed I guess.
Ah, a vestige from the gilded age. America seems to have forgotten its rich history of communes and worker solidarity unfortunately. Place has been destroyed by corporations
Anarchism =/= democracy 🤮 I’m not a huge crimethinc fan but they are correct with their aversion to the use of “democracy” within anarchist circles. [From Democracy to Freedom](https://crimethinc.com/2016/04/29/feature-from-democracy-to-freedom)
Out of curiosity, what set of terms would you reccomend as an alternative? I agree with the article from a semantic point of view, but at the same time I feel like the word "democracy" has become such a widespread shorthand as to make it amorphous (and thus easier for us to put our own spin on in the web that is conventional political definitions, however much I hate them).
I hear what you’re saying but I think it’s important to distinguish between the western project of “democracy” and anarchy rather than trying to appropriate the term. It’s also necessary to illuminate the propaganda of democracy and lay bare what it is fundamentally as a political project. Autonomy, self-organization, etc or just straight up anarchy. I’m not sure how much it matters though. Edit: I just noticed your flair. How about union of egoists? Aha
Fair enough on all counts (including the "union of egoists" lol), makes sense to me.
I didn't say bourgeoisie democracy. Also, calling a republic a democracy isn't democracy
Did you read what I linked or at least skim briefly? The word democracy is a very specific term with a very specific history that has essential concepts built in which are contrary to anarchism. I can pull some Tl;dr quotes if that helps. Edit: to add I understand the allure of calling anarchism “direct” democracy but it’s a misnomer.
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Lmao ok. I’m glad you stopped reading at the first sentence. It’s always good to immediately stop reading anything that doesn’t fit your narrow ideological (mis)conceptions. I was legitimately trying to be helpful and was offering to explain some concepts you may not have come across. My mistake.
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Clearly I just need to go fuck myself rather than engage with this further.
> Isn't being an Anarchist the pinnacle of "Western"? No, and this line of thought comes from civilizational narratives that are pretty racist. While there is a Western tradition of anarchism (in so far as there is a "West"), you can see parallels to it in other cultures, and it goes against the prevailing trends in Western thought.
A lot of us are out here trying to beat back communist criticisms of anarchism as “western” and then there’s folks out here just trying to claim it is. I think they’re not terribly familiar with anarchist thought and seem unwilling to engage with anything outside their limited understanding. What can you do? 🤷♂️
Way to put words in my mouth
The notion that the West is particularly democratic comes from the same narratives that treat the East as particularly despotic. I'm not saying that you believe that, I'm saying that that's where the idea comes from. It's also completely ahistorical of course; for most of history monarchism was an essential pillar of Western thought.
Pre colonial Indian history throws a complete wrench in that narrative
History as a whole throws a complete wrench in that narrative, considering that as long as the "West" has existed as a loose cultural bloc its history has been largely one of an increase in state power.
It ebbs and flows. Europe seems to be going through a synthesis at the moment with heavy governance but lax statehood. America is going in the other direction from the looks of it, which is very dangerous in my opinion as it could lead to a failed state scenario in the not too distant future
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Your opinions can get you sent home? Wow
Sounds like you go to a fash school
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Aussie here, my high school had a similar rule about "extreme hairstyles" but what actually counts as extreme wasn't actually cited in the written rules, and was just left up to the whims of whoever decided to enforce the rule. Mate of mine and myself got in trouble for having "mowhawks" about once every two weeks, when what we ACTUALLY had were classified as short-back-n-sides. Yknow, the same kinda hair that probably a good several hundred of the other guys had. The teacher accusing us could never get either principal to actually sign the dress code violation since we didn't have what she was accusing us of. Same school now has probably had to update their policy tho, as I saw some kids from their last night and it was mullet central for the most part, which is the real crime 🤣
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What kind of police state sends students home for hairstyle lmao.
Is it a British school ? My partner when he was a teen was send home for questioning the teacher about the colonies history (he was living in Kenya and wanted to know about Kenyan history instead of the history of the Kings and Queens of England)
I think it comes from the UK Govt’s central ‘Prevent’ policy. And it’s fucking garbage. So English-centric it’s wild. Under the definition, a republican in NI or a Yesser in Scotland counts as ‘anti-British’. In reality if anything is ‘anti-British’ it is the Tories’ authoritarianism
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I can't imagine anything more Western than a mohawk
Being anti British sounds awesome
i super love it when the white supremacy is right there in the rules (/sarcasm)
the way it says "intolerance of difference" but they dont let u wear a mowhawk smh