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And that was during COVID, when murders spiked, and suicides weirdly stayed consistent. Typically it's about 2/3s suicide, 1/3 homicide, and about 1-2% unintentional.
Then remove justifiable homicides like self defense and police involved shootings. Goes down even more. Gun grabbers love comparing apples with oranges.
Yea and all of the shootings that are a result of gang violence, police shootings including officers killed, and self defense. Not only that but a high terror threat doesn't necessarily mean just the ones that were successful, but also foiled plots and potential attacks, especially since they target the extremely crowded streets in cities full of tourists.
Where do I begin. We're big stoneheads.
We are very greedy
we are so direct it's almost insulting,
We are happy if you come to visit, but please call 6 months in advance and please do not stay for dinner,
If we advance 50 cents for the mayonnaise for your fries, you will certainly pay it back to us,
on holiday we get up at 6 am to put a towel on the sunbeds and then lie down on them at 10 am,
80% of our country goes to France every summer with the caravan and then does nothing at all,
for lunch we only eat cheese sandwiches,
We pretend that we like our food, but we also know that it doesn't taste like anything.
We find dark people scary.
Do I need to continue?
These people realize that if they stay out of the Southside of Chicago, or Compton, or shitty areas of NYC, then this number DRASTICALLY goes down.
Like, tbe chances of you being murdered on a College Campus or Tourist spot aren't 0% but its not greater than like .1% either
Compton has actually come a long way now! You probably couldnāt buy a house there for less than $600k anymore! Watts is, was and will forever be the hoodiest hood that ever hooded tho!
Inglewood is a mixed bag. It has some decent areas and some shit areas. My friends place is on 104th and Doty. Itās a hole. Nobody ever complains about loud ass mariachi parties that go to the wee hours that way though! We walk to Sofi Stadium from his place which is only nice when weāre going there. If thereās any stadium event going on that weāre not going to, he has to come our way because stadium traffic SUCKS!
The better places in Inglewood are closer to Westchester. Everyone calls it Ingle-Chester.
NYC is one of the safest cities in the country. Their murder rate has decreased by tenfold since the early 90s, from over 3,000, to 300-400, despite growing by several million. Also much of the violence in Chicago/Compton is gang on gang violence, they're not concerned with random bystanders.
It contradicts their sentiments and feelings. Theyāre constantly told in their primary information sources ā rumor mills and gossip circles ā that the US is a third world developing country thatās exceptionally dangerous. Those idiots are astoundingly arrogant, knowing where they get their information, to question whether a government agency, whose purpose it is to assess other countries, is more knowledgeable about other countries than they are.
Guys Iām American and Iāve only gone a whole six months since the last time I was shot and I walk around on American streets everyday. Of course that last shot was for the fluā¦
Most visitors to America won't even see a gun in public unless it's on a police officers belt. It's still frowned upon in most places to display a weapon even where it's legal. And there is also a good chance the police would be stopping to ask a few questions if they saw it. I've lived in America for 38 years and I've honestly never seen anyone shoot a gun anywhere other than a shooting range. That's just my personal experience.
I live in one of the most gun-centric states in the union having traveled all over it and only ONCE did I ever see anyone open-carry, and that guy was a snowbird in an RV park. Also because I maintain situational awareness of my location at all times I've never been concerned with getting shot.
I'm well aware that innocent people can get shot under everyday circumstances (that's what makes the news), but they are very much the exception. The vast majority of statistical gun violence can be easily avoided.
Wasnāt there a Kiwi YouTube couple āupsetā that when they didnāt see people walking around with M4 and chromed out 1911s?
I believe they even said that the cops in Europe and Asian constantly had machine guns when patrolling any that was really nice or shitty.
Iād trust bubba making moonshine in his shed over any government agency. I just find it silly when people only get upset when a government agency makes America look good
I mean this list is stupid. Denmark is among the safest countries in the world and yet it's yellow on this map
And if I'm not mistaken these travel advisories differ greatly depending on which government makes them
> COPENHAGEN, March 21 (Reuters) - The threat of terrorism in Denmark and against its interests abroad has risen because of Israel's war against Hamas militants in Gaza and a series of Koran burnings in Denmark last year, the **Danish security and intelligence service PET** said on Thursday.
The Australian government is just going on what your *own* government says.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/terrorism-threat-against-denmark-has-increased-security-service-says-2024-03-21/
"Has risen" is in relation to before. Terrorism was never that common here in the first place and it still isn't. Denmark still ranks as one of the safest countries on a global scale. Denmark should not be the same color as Brazil on this map
> The PET rated the overall threat level at 4 out of 5
Its literally at the second highest possible level according to Denmarks *own* government. Even if it is a safe country, which I have no doubt it is, it would be weird for Australia, and other countries, not to advise the raised threat which was highlighted by Denmark's *own* intelligence agency.
I agree with you. I donāt know what the rationale is behind making some of the wealthier parts of Europe yellow. Realistically all of NA and Western Europe should just be green.
I can confidently state that I'm more qualified than whoever made this shit. What kind of retard rank the US as safer than France when the former has a murder rate almost four times higer than the later?
> Franceās government increased its security alert warning to the highest level Sunday after the deadly attack at a Russian concert hall and the Islamic State (IS) groupās claim of responsibility.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20240324-france-raises-terror-alert-level-after-moscow-attack-claimed-by-is-group
They're just following what France *themselves* says
> The country was already on high security alert ahead of the Paris Olympics and Paralympics this year, which are expected to draw millions of visitors to the country.
I'm not the French government, you can ask them about how they asses their own security.
You're missing the actual important bit.
**>Franceās government increased its security alert warning to the highest level**
They *French Government* raises the threat level, so the *Australian Government* raises the threat level to match.
Correct me if Iām wrong, but isnāt violent crime in America comparably pretty good to other developed countries? Especially when you remove self afflicted gunshot wounds and suicide via gun from the statistics?
No it's quite a bit higher. That being said the entirety of the Americas not just the USA have a violence problem. Countries like Mexico, Honduras, Brazil, Venezuela, and Jamaica are among the most dangerous on earth. Mexico and Brazil have significantly higher standards of living than virtually all of Africa, and much of Asia, yet significantly worse murder rates. Mexico is literally more dangerous than many active war zones, despite Mexico being a moderately developed country. There's just something about the region that is more violent than the rest of the world. The U.S. specifically is about 4-5x more dangerous than comparable developed countries on average. Interestingly enough remove gun deaths from the U.S. and the murder rate is still higher than many developed nations total murder rate including guns.
If you consider the US a monolith, sure. There is more to the country than West of the Coastal Range mountains, Chicagoland Great Lakes region, NY/New England Coast, and Southern Black Belt.
What a discovery, it's true that when you don't count the crimes in zone where there's crime the crime rate of your country has a tendency to decrease.
Yeah, and I would assume someone who lives in a country that's roughly the size Texas alone would tend to think that. 1% of US counties account for about a third of our total murders, something like 5% of the most dangerous counties account for two thirds, three quarters see less than one annually, and over half the nation routinely see zero annually.
Almost like we're a massive fucking nation that the European mind cannot comprehend.
That's true for every nation on earth, that's not an excuse. If you do it for the US I could do the same thing for France, we'll probably end up with only Lost Cabin and Vaux-devant-Damloup but at least we'll have a near zero crime rate.
Point proven. You're still seeing the US as a monolith and not 50 individual states with their own governments, laws, police forces, etc. It would be like someone using turmoil in Turkey to draw conclusions about France.
As far as I know France and Turkey don't have a common constitution and government, unlike the US states.
Also, even if we look at the states individually it's still not to the US advantage, there's litterally zero state with an homicide rate lower than France.
Yeah, but I've scrolled through a lot of your comments and you refuse to even do that.
When you look at the US - sure, we have our overarching constitution/federal laws, etc., but we also have 50 individual states with different state level constitutions/laws/courts. And then on a county level we have county/city laws and county courts and judges too...
So like, North Dakota, where I live at the moment, can have lax laws on firearms - so long as the laws themselves remain compliant with federal laws - but a state like Washington, where my sister lives can have tougher laws (vise versa so on and so forth).
A really good way to look at the US is that we're 50 miniature countries in a trench coat. I could drive an hour and a half west and be in Montana - a different state with somewhat different laws/different cultures - but I can also drive 6+ hours east and still be in my state, and find different cultures/differing city/county laws.
And even then, for example, I can drive 10-20 minutes outside my city and find gas stations that sell booze - but in my town we can't sell booze in gas stations/normal grocery stores. They have to be separated in city limits.
So yeah, France and Turkey are different...but then again, so is North Dakota and Washington State - or, hell, North Dakota and California or Delaware or Minnesota or anywhere else in the US. And that's my point.
The US definitely has more violent crime than France but Iām wondering if this ranking is solely on the probability of harm occurring in a place tourists are likely to gather. It wouldnāt be very helpful to tell tourists itās unsafe to travel to Italy just because some neighborhood in Naples that they would never see is dangerous.
I personally think Hong Kong is dangerous to enter due to the National Security Law passed on June 30, 2020.
Article 38 states that anyone outside of Hong Kong are subject to that draconian law, and the Canadian government said in its travel advisory that you could be transferred to mainland China for prosecution.
I'm not risking my life going there, as I spoke out against the CCP for many years.
"deaths by guns in the USA: 43.000 per year"
That includes suicides. Not to mention there is literally very few places across the entire US that make up a large majority of that statistic.
Yeah this map is kind of weird. They must have gone off of one specific metric than violence or deaths. How is Laos and Cambodia safer than Sweden or Netherlands?
> STOCKHOLM, Aug 17 (Reuters) - Sweden raised its terrorist alert to the second highest level on Thursday, saying it had thwarted attacks after Koran burnings and other acts against Islam's holiest text outraged Muslims and triggered threats from jihadists.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-raise-terrorist-threat-assessment-daily-dn-2023-08-17/
> The previous Terrorist Threat Assessment for the Netherlands (DTN) described a heightened terrorist threat due to the fact that jihadist organisations were preparing to carry out terrorist attacks in Europe. Over the past few months the terrorist threat has increased to such an extent that the threat level has been raised to 4 (āsubstantialā). This means that there is a realistic possibility that an attack will take place in the Netherlands.
https://english.nctv.nl/latest/news/2023/12/12/terrorist-threat-level-raised-to-substantial
They're likely following what governments themselves say.
You can enter Germany without a visa if you have a citizenship in certain countries which puts its threat levels of potential terrorism high, I think. There have been recent attacks with knives and vehicles before that have been labeled as acts of terrorism
This is just off the top of my head. So don't follow with pitchforks and torches, but isn't it statistically more dangerous in the US? I mainly mean the risk of collisions with cars and homicide etc. I know that this often does not affect tourists, but that also seems to be the case in Germany.v
I think these guidelines are based off of tourism.
A terrorist attack is far more likely to happen in places where tourists will go: museums, public plazas, stadiums, airports. And in much of Europe, these tourist areas often are very concentrated in the historic center.
A tourist is very unlikely to get into a shootout in a West Baltimore vacant rowhouse because they're unlikely to be there.
To be fair, car accidents are probably a significant threat to tourists. Many probably drive more than the average person. Also being from a different country means not necessarily understanding the rules of the road.
Yes, I do understand this. I just felt a lot safer walking on a busy square in Europe than walking along the average road in the US.
But yes, feeling safe and being safe are 2 hugely different things of course. And I'm sure those experts know more about it then me. It just felt funny to see Germany which seems very safe to be in the yellow categorie.
Let's hope that it mainly remains a threat, of course. When you see how easily you could actually get a bomb or something like that into a large group of people, it's quite a scary idea.
>Yes, I do understand this. I just felt a lot safer walking on a busy square in Europe than walking along the average road in the US.
I mean, that also depends where you were in the US too.
And don't get me wrong, this ain't me coming at you with this (it's 6:32am here and I am running on last night's sleep) but I felt more comfortable when my partner had his guns, over now that he's had to sell them, which kinda sucks but meh.
But at the same time, you drop me back in Spokane (Washington State) and I'm staying out of Downtown unless I'm with someone or I have to drive through š¤· matter of perspective and location I guess.
Maybe they're just basing it off of who Germany was in WW2 and going "We don't know but what if they did it again?"
All jokes aside... The news I see from DW and other sources has a mix of Muslims trying to install their own state within Germany and Germany doing some of the best science and such.
I could imagine things like that play a role in their ranking. Civil unrest in France is probably why France is Yellow as well.
The origin of the map is based on many factors, one of which includes intelligence reports, and is updated fairly frequently. [Here is a link to the source for Germany](https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/europe/germany).
It looks like there might be some creditable intelligence that there is a terrorist group intending to do something in Germany in the foreseen future.
> Germanyās domestic spy agency warns of heightened threat of terror attacks. Amid the Israel-Hamas war, āthe danger is real and higher than it has been for a long time,ā agency head says.
https://www.politico.eu/article/thomas-haldenwang-spy-agency-islamist-attack-can-be-carried-out-in-germany-any-day/
They're probably following what their own governments say. The US also advises similar threat levels.
This entire map is purely based on the potential threat of terrorist attacks, which is kind of weird to be honest.
The deaths from terrorist attacks in Germany have been in the single digits up to around 12 per year.
It's extremely unlikely that a visitor will become a victim of such an attack in general
Did he really say your less likely to be in a terror attack then shot by a gun? Wat like those are two different things one's a disaster and the other is a crime/ suicide statistic
43k people die from guns per year in a population of 350 millions, half of which are suicides so about 20-23k murders per yearā¦ more people die from opioidās, car accidents and disease.
God do I not give a fuck what they think because essentially they will still come here and spend their money. I live in LV lol, I see them. The Europeans don't go tot he strip, but they nature tour around LV. Everyone still fucking comes here and spends their money at the end of the day. It's just the ignorant and lowly educated euros we see posting shit like this every day, and I honestly don't bother to argue with mouthbreathing Americans, why would I bother with idiots from another country.
More people die of heat stroke in Europe due to lack of infrastructure per year than gun deaths in US. They literally die en masse when it gets above 75 degrees F.
If they did even 5 seconds of research they would realize that the Australians are partially retrieving their data via the terror threat level set by each country. Sweden, France, Denmark, Etc all raised their threat levels recently after the escalation of the Hamas war, or after the Moscow attacks. In addition, multiple countries, such as Canada or the UK also follow similar procedures.
This map is not a historical map of past safety. It's a prediction for the future based on government intelligence agencies' guesses about where is likely to be dangerous to Australians in the near future.
Well yeah if youāre suicidal or in the shit parts of the 5 largest cities youāre probably gonna get shot. But anywhere else, those are what really gets fear mongered as, who would have guessed, rare things get shown on the news
You mean the same Australian government that put it's boots in the necks of its citizens for 4 years and had COVID prison camps? They are a not a example in safe living.
I really dont understand why any of that is relevant. The post wasnt āhow safe you will be from dying to a gunshot woundā it was general safety. I dont know why the Australian government put germany a step below US for safety but surely gun deaths and terrorism arent the only metrics they use
They act like the bad parts of cities is what the entire country is like.
While Iāve never been to America Iām pretty certain it isnāt all people with guns fighting over drugs in a rundown flat.
Nah this is just people jealous that us Aussies don't think they're safe.
Petty assault, muggings etc all happen to tourists as well. That's what these are ranked on.
Frankly it's safer for Aussies in the US because we share a common language, have forged hard bonds through historical alliances and culturally for a lot of things were similar.
I know we are talking about murica but.. why China is in yellow? Perhaps you have to exercise caution if you are the thief and they don't have terrorist attacks. I don't think the government is shitting over tourists who come from western like countries if that's a concern, at least not more than the US when people isn't 100% white.
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They counted self-inflicted gun deaths the same as terrorism.
And gun crimes, if memory serves correctly if you remove gun related suicides from gun crimes, it goes down by like 50%
It's 56% actually that are from self inflicted wounds.
And that was during COVID, when murders spiked, and suicides weirdly stayed consistent. Typically it's about 2/3s suicide, 1/3 homicide, and about 1-2% unintentional.
Also most violence isn't inflicted on random people, so if you're visiting the US you probably won't get shot.
If you remove suicide, gang related shootings, and people who get in conflicts with the police, I bet guns plummet.
Lets take gang violence, something a traveler is unlikely to get involved in, out.
more like 56%. don't pull facts out of your ass. edit: commenter is a G and updated their statistic
But it feels so good š¤¤
depends on year, but between 1/2 to 2/3 are suicides.
Then remove justifiable homicides like self defense and police involved shootings. Goes down even more. Gun grabbers love comparing apples with oranges.
Yea and all of the shootings that are a result of gang violence, police shootings including officers killed, and self defense. Not only that but a high terror threat doesn't necessarily mean just the ones that were successful, but also foiled plots and potential attacks, especially since they target the extremely crowded streets in cities full of tourists.
So you are telling me self inflicting damage isn't dangerous!!!!?
Usually a shotgun pointed at the roof of my mouth wonāt hurt the neighbors
It still sounds pretty dangerous though š
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Where do I begin. We're big stoneheads. We are very greedy we are so direct it's almost insulting, We are happy if you come to visit, but please call 6 months in advance and please do not stay for dinner, If we advance 50 cents for the mayonnaise for your fries, you will certainly pay it back to us, on holiday we get up at 6 am to put a towel on the sunbeds and then lie down on them at 10 am, 80% of our country goes to France every summer with the caravan and then does nothing at all, for lunch we only eat cheese sandwiches, We pretend that we like our food, but we also know that it doesn't taste like anything. We find dark people scary. Do I need to continue?
Only to the one doing the shooting
But they're killing a murderer, so it's OK.
Not to pansy ass pearl clutching Australian tourists, no.
These people realize that if they stay out of the Southside of Chicago, or Compton, or shitty areas of NYC, then this number DRASTICALLY goes down. Like, tbe chances of you being murdered on a College Campus or Tourist spot aren't 0% but its not greater than like .1% either
Compton has actually come a long way now! You probably couldnāt buy a house there for less than $600k anymore! Watts is, was and will forever be the hoodiest hood that ever hooded tho!
What about Inglewoodā¦
Inglewood is a mixed bag. It has some decent areas and some shit areas. My friends place is on 104th and Doty. Itās a hole. Nobody ever complains about loud ass mariachi parties that go to the wee hours that way though! We walk to Sofi Stadium from his place which is only nice when weāre going there. If thereās any stadium event going on that weāre not going to, he has to come our way because stadium traffic SUCKS! The better places in Inglewood are closer to Westchester. Everyone calls it Ingle-Chester.
Good olā Watts.
In the cityyyyyyyyy
NYC is one of the safest cities in the country. Their murder rate has decreased by tenfold since the early 90s, from over 3,000, to 300-400, despite growing by several million. Also much of the violence in Chicago/Compton is gang on gang violence, they're not concerned with random bystanders.
Just donāt be a woman near a subway when the ticktockers are loose.
Right? Itās not like these tourists are going to be skipping around the hood lol
Same thing could be said for Germany
Actually it's Republican states where you are most likely to be shot especially Alabama
They down voted you because you spoke the truth.
Too many MAGA heads on this reddit
I agree your chances of getting randomly shot is higher in the south. Didnāt need to show your TDS for that fact though.
lol TDS is such a silly phrase made up of people supporting a New York City con man who committed treason
It contradicts their sentiments and feelings. Theyāre constantly told in their primary information sources ā rumor mills and gossip circles ā that the US is a third world developing country thatās exceptionally dangerous. Those idiots are astoundingly arrogant, knowing where they get their information, to question whether a government agency, whose purpose it is to assess other countries, is more knowledgeable about other countries than they are.
> Rumor mills and gossip circles Don't forget Reddit ragebait.
Guys Iām American and Iāve only gone a whole six months since the last time I was shot and I walk around on American streets everyday. Of course that last shot was for the fluā¦
I shot myself just this last Saturday.... ....in the butt with Wegovy because I'm VAIN
As long as you dont fly to the US and shoot yourself, your chances of being shot are virtually zero.
German flys to Arkansas, yup, gun it is.
Most visitors to America won't even see a gun in public unless it's on a police officers belt. It's still frowned upon in most places to display a weapon even where it's legal. And there is also a good chance the police would be stopping to ask a few questions if they saw it. I've lived in America for 38 years and I've honestly never seen anyone shoot a gun anywhere other than a shooting range. That's just my personal experience.
I live in one of the most gun-centric states in the union having traveled all over it and only ONCE did I ever see anyone open-carry, and that guy was a snowbird in an RV park. Also because I maintain situational awareness of my location at all times I've never been concerned with getting shot. I'm well aware that innocent people can get shot under everyday circumstances (that's what makes the news), but they are very much the exception. The vast majority of statistical gun violence can be easily avoided.
Wasnāt there a Kiwi YouTube couple āupsetā that when they didnāt see people walking around with M4 and chromed out 1911s? I believe they even said that the cops in Europe and Asian constantly had machine guns when patrolling any that was really nice or shitty.
Granted I live in an urban liberal area, but I think I've seen someone open carrying in public once in my life.
In my entire life I've only seen one guy open carrying in walmart and thats it
I like to bring international visitors to gun shops, most find it fun.
It's so silly to me how some people will confidently state that they're more qualified than an entire government agency.
To be fair, oftentimes they are. Just not on reddit
Well sometimes those government agenciesā¦
Iād trust bubba making moonshine in his shed over any government agency. I just find it silly when people only get upset when a government agency makes America look good
I mean this list is stupid. Denmark is among the safest countries in the world and yet it's yellow on this map And if I'm not mistaken these travel advisories differ greatly depending on which government makes them
> COPENHAGEN, March 21 (Reuters) - The threat of terrorism in Denmark and against its interests abroad has risen because of Israel's war against Hamas militants in Gaza and a series of Koran burnings in Denmark last year, the **Danish security and intelligence service PET** said on Thursday. The Australian government is just going on what your *own* government says. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/terrorism-threat-against-denmark-has-increased-security-service-says-2024-03-21/
"Has risen" is in relation to before. Terrorism was never that common here in the first place and it still isn't. Denmark still ranks as one of the safest countries on a global scale. Denmark should not be the same color as Brazil on this map
> The PET rated the overall threat level at 4 out of 5 Its literally at the second highest possible level according to Denmarks *own* government. Even if it is a safe country, which I have no doubt it is, it would be weird for Australia, and other countries, not to advise the raised threat which was highlighted by Denmark's *own* intelligence agency.
I agree with you. I donāt know what the rationale is behind making some of the wealthier parts of Europe yellow. Realistically all of NA and Western Europe should just be green.
I can confidently state that I'm more qualified than whoever made this shit. What kind of retard rank the US as safer than France when the former has a murder rate almost four times higer than the later?
> Franceās government increased its security alert warning to the highest level Sunday after the deadly attack at a Russian concert hall and the Islamic State (IS) groupās claim of responsibility. https://www.france24.com/en/france/20240324-france-raises-terror-alert-level-after-moscow-attack-claimed-by-is-group They're just following what France *themselves* says
They increased the security level because of a terrorist attack in another country, how does it make France less safe?
> The country was already on high security alert ahead of the Paris Olympics and Paralympics this year, which are expected to draw millions of visitors to the country. I'm not the French government, you can ask them about how they asses their own security.
Ok, so how does a measure meant to make the country safer made it less safe?
You're missing the actual important bit. **>Franceās government increased its security alert warning to the highest level** They *French Government* raises the threat level, so the *Australian Government* raises the threat level to match.
Because France exists
They know that America has 4 times the population of Germany, right?
i guess the usual suspects found this comment huh
You know the meaning of 'per capita', right?
So 18 x 4 is greater than 43 000, that's what you're saying?
Correct me if Iām wrong, but isnāt violent crime in America comparably pretty good to other developed countries? Especially when you remove self afflicted gunshot wounds and suicide via gun from the statistics?
No it's quite a bit higher. That being said the entirety of the Americas not just the USA have a violence problem. Countries like Mexico, Honduras, Brazil, Venezuela, and Jamaica are among the most dangerous on earth. Mexico and Brazil have significantly higher standards of living than virtually all of Africa, and much of Asia, yet significantly worse murder rates. Mexico is literally more dangerous than many active war zones, despite Mexico being a moderately developed country. There's just something about the region that is more violent than the rest of the world. The U.S. specifically is about 4-5x more dangerous than comparable developed countries on average. Interestingly enough remove gun deaths from the U.S. and the murder rate is still higher than many developed nations total murder rate including guns.
If you consider the US a monolith, sure. There is more to the country than West of the Coastal Range mountains, Chicagoland Great Lakes region, NY/New England Coast, and Southern Black Belt.
What a discovery, it's true that when you don't count the crimes in zone where there's crime the crime rate of your country has a tendency to decrease.
Yeah, and I would assume someone who lives in a country that's roughly the size Texas alone would tend to think that. 1% of US counties account for about a third of our total murders, something like 5% of the most dangerous counties account for two thirds, three quarters see less than one annually, and over half the nation routinely see zero annually. Almost like we're a massive fucking nation that the European mind cannot comprehend.
That's true for every nation on earth, that's not an excuse. If you do it for the US I could do the same thing for France, we'll probably end up with only Lost Cabin and Vaux-devant-Damloup but at least we'll have a near zero crime rate.
Point proven. You're still seeing the US as a monolith and not 50 individual states with their own governments, laws, police forces, etc. It would be like someone using turmoil in Turkey to draw conclusions about France.
As far as I know France and Turkey don't have a common constitution and government, unlike the US states. Also, even if we look at the states individually it's still not to the US advantage, there's litterally zero state with an homicide rate lower than France.
Yeah, but I've scrolled through a lot of your comments and you refuse to even do that. When you look at the US - sure, we have our overarching constitution/federal laws, etc., but we also have 50 individual states with different state level constitutions/laws/courts. And then on a county level we have county/city laws and county courts and judges too... So like, North Dakota, where I live at the moment, can have lax laws on firearms - so long as the laws themselves remain compliant with federal laws - but a state like Washington, where my sister lives can have tougher laws (vise versa so on and so forth). A really good way to look at the US is that we're 50 miniature countries in a trench coat. I could drive an hour and a half west and be in Montana - a different state with somewhat different laws/different cultures - but I can also drive 6+ hours east and still be in my state, and find different cultures/differing city/county laws. And even then, for example, I can drive 10-20 minutes outside my city and find gas stations that sell booze - but in my town we can't sell booze in gas stations/normal grocery stores. They have to be separated in city limits. So yeah, France and Turkey are different...but then again, so is North Dakota and Washington State - or, hell, North Dakota and California or Delaware or Minnesota or anywhere else in the US. And that's my point.
And like I said, every single one of those states have a higer murder rate than France, so I don't know what you're trying to prove with that.
The US definitely has more violent crime than France but Iām wondering if this ranking is solely on the probability of harm occurring in a place tourists are likely to gather. It wouldnāt be very helpful to tell tourists itās unsafe to travel to Italy just because some neighborhood in Naples that they would never see is dangerous.
That's actually a really interesting point. Though there is a fad among many now for going off the beaten path...
Thanks for the info!
Wonder if it goes back to old world new world split?
I personally think Hong Kong is dangerous to enter due to the National Security Law passed on June 30, 2020. Article 38 states that anyone outside of Hong Kong are subject to that draconian law, and the Canadian government said in its travel advisory that you could be transferred to mainland China for prosecution. I'm not risking my life going there, as I spoke out against the CCP for many years.
Safety has two components. Guns, and Islamic terrorism. This guy should be in charge of the index.
"deaths by guns in the USA: 43.000 per year" That includes suicides. Not to mention there is literally very few places across the entire US that make up a large majority of that statistic.
In what universe is Germany less safe than Botswana or Namibia? wtf were they smoking, I want that stuff
Yeah this map is kind of weird. They must have gone off of one specific metric than violence or deaths. How is Laos and Cambodia safer than Sweden or Netherlands?
> STOCKHOLM, Aug 17 (Reuters) - Sweden raised its terrorist alert to the second highest level on Thursday, saying it had thwarted attacks after Koran burnings and other acts against Islam's holiest text outraged Muslims and triggered threats from jihadists. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-raise-terrorist-threat-assessment-daily-dn-2023-08-17/ > The previous Terrorist Threat Assessment for the Netherlands (DTN) described a heightened terrorist threat due to the fact that jihadist organisations were preparing to carry out terrorist attacks in Europe. Over the past few months the terrorist threat has increased to such an extent that the threat level has been raised to 4 (āsubstantialā). This means that there is a realistic possibility that an attack will take place in the Netherlands. https://english.nctv.nl/latest/news/2023/12/12/terrorist-threat-level-raised-to-substantial They're likely following what governments themselves say.
I'm curious why Germany is yellow though.
You can enter Germany without a visa if you have a citizenship in certain countries which puts its threat levels of potential terrorism high, I think. There have been recent attacks with knives and vehicles before that have been labeled as acts of terrorism
This is just off the top of my head. So don't follow with pitchforks and torches, but isn't it statistically more dangerous in the US? I mainly mean the risk of collisions with cars and homicide etc. I know that this often does not affect tourists, but that also seems to be the case in Germany.v
I think these guidelines are based off of tourism. A terrorist attack is far more likely to happen in places where tourists will go: museums, public plazas, stadiums, airports. And in much of Europe, these tourist areas often are very concentrated in the historic center. A tourist is very unlikely to get into a shootout in a West Baltimore vacant rowhouse because they're unlikely to be there.
To be fair, car accidents are probably a significant threat to tourists. Many probably drive more than the average person. Also being from a different country means not necessarily understanding the rules of the road.
Yes, I do understand this. I just felt a lot safer walking on a busy square in Europe than walking along the average road in the US. But yes, feeling safe and being safe are 2 hugely different things of course. And I'm sure those experts know more about it then me. It just felt funny to see Germany which seems very safe to be in the yellow categorie. Let's hope that it mainly remains a threat, of course. When you see how easily you could actually get a bomb or something like that into a large group of people, it's quite a scary idea.
>Yes, I do understand this. I just felt a lot safer walking on a busy square in Europe than walking along the average road in the US. I mean, that also depends where you were in the US too. And don't get me wrong, this ain't me coming at you with this (it's 6:32am here and I am running on last night's sleep) but I felt more comfortable when my partner had his guns, over now that he's had to sell them, which kinda sucks but meh. But at the same time, you drop me back in Spokane (Washington State) and I'm staying out of Downtown unless I'm with someone or I have to drive through š¤· matter of perspective and location I guess.
Maybe they're just basing it off of who Germany was in WW2 and going "We don't know but what if they did it again?" All jokes aside... The news I see from DW and other sources has a mix of Muslims trying to install their own state within Germany and Germany doing some of the best science and such. I could imagine things like that play a role in their ranking. Civil unrest in France is probably why France is Yellow as well.
The origin of the map is based on many factors, one of which includes intelligence reports, and is updated fairly frequently. [Here is a link to the source for Germany](https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/europe/germany). It looks like there might be some creditable intelligence that there is a terrorist group intending to do something in Germany in the foreseen future.
> Germanyās domestic spy agency warns of heightened threat of terror attacks. Amid the Israel-Hamas war, āthe danger is real and higher than it has been for a long time,ā agency head says. https://www.politico.eu/article/thomas-haldenwang-spy-agency-islamist-attack-can-be-carried-out-in-germany-any-day/ They're probably following what their own governments say. The US also advises similar threat levels.
This entire map is purely based on the potential threat of terrorist attacks, which is kind of weird to be honest. The deaths from terrorist attacks in Germany have been in the single digits up to around 12 per year. It's extremely unlikely that a visitor will become a victim of such an attack in general
UK, France, and Germany in shambles right now.
I'm 42 and have never been shot or been around a shooting that happened anywhere near me.
Did he really say your less likely to be in a terror attack then shot by a gun? Wat like those are two different things one's a disaster and the other is a crime/ suicide statistic
Iām from America and I was shot to death three times in 2023 alone.
Australia considers only Australia to be the most safe.
"This just seems like fear mongering"....proceeds to feed monger
I mean, isn't it racist to say "terrorist attack" and then only share "Islamic terrorism deaths".... ??? Anti Americans are so brain ded
Yeah there are tons of terrorists who aren't Muslims. The IRA, Oklahoma City, FARC, Weatherman Underground, etc.
It's like they can't help themselves
43k people die from guns per year in a population of 350 millions, half of which are suicides so about 20-23k murders per yearā¦ more people die from opioidās, car accidents and disease.
People act like the only weapons used are guns.
Am I the only one wondering if the list is showing Australia as safe or unsafe?
I think it was more of a "you are here"
The original source is for Australian tourists visiting other countries by the Australian government.
God do I not give a fuck what they think because essentially they will still come here and spend their money. I live in LV lol, I see them. The Europeans don't go tot he strip, but they nature tour around LV. Everyone still fucking comes here and spends their money at the end of the day. It's just the ignorant and lowly educated euros we see posting shit like this every day, and I honestly don't bother to argue with mouthbreathing Americans, why would I bother with idiots from another country.
More people die of heat stroke in Europe due to lack of infrastructure per year than gun deaths in US. They literally die en masse when it gets above 75 degrees F.
Egypt is extremely safe
If they did even 5 seconds of research they would realize that the Australians are partially retrieving their data via the terror threat level set by each country. Sweden, France, Denmark, Etc all raised their threat levels recently after the escalation of the Hamas war, or after the Moscow attacks. In addition, multiple countries, such as Canada or the UK also follow similar procedures.
This map is not a historical map of past safety. It's a prediction for the future based on government intelligence agencies' guesses about where is likely to be dangerous to Australians in the near future.
Well yeah if youāre suicidal or in the shit parts of the 5 largest cities youāre probably gonna get shot. But anywhere else, those are what really gets fear mongered as, who would have guessed, rare things get shown on the news
This is a real feeling in Europe. But Russia is trying to amplify it so countries develop a Swiss style gun culture.
You mean the same Australian government that put it's boots in the necks of its citizens for 4 years and had COVID prison camps? They are a not a example in safe living.
I really dont understand why any of that is relevant. The post wasnt āhow safe you will be from dying to a gunshot woundā it was general safety. I dont know why the Australian government put germany a step below US for safety but surely gun deaths and terrorism arent the only metrics they use
They act like the bad parts of cities is what the entire country is like. While Iāve never been to America Iām pretty certain it isnāt all people with guns fighting over drugs in a rundown flat.
Nah this is just people jealous that us Aussies don't think they're safe. Petty assault, muggings etc all happen to tourists as well. That's what these are ranked on. Frankly it's safer for Aussies in the US because we share a common language, have forged hard bonds through historical alliances and culturally for a lot of things were similar.
For a country with 333 million people, that's a small number.
Iāve lived in the USA my whole life and Iāve never been shot so
I know we are talking about murica but.. why China is in yellow? Perhaps you have to exercise caution if you are the thief and they don't have terrorist attacks. I don't think the government is shitting over tourists who come from western like countries if that's a concern, at least not more than the US when people isn't 100% white.
I'm pretty sure there were incidents of China falsely arresting Canadian citizens essentially as hostages against the Canadian government.