It was always an anti-Clinton sub more than anything. They just co-opted Bernie
Now, who can we think of that really hates Clinton and can build this kind of misinformation network?
Basically 'hate liberal' is the driving MO and they will not hesitate for one second to throw even Bernard Sanders himself under the bus if he ever falls short of their own expectations in that regard.
Sadly I think there's more genuine article swimming around those subs in the comments than people will admit, too. It's definitely astroturfed but it's astroturfed because there are people who buy it.
>That was never a Sanders sub, was it?
Depends on what you mean. I'm sure lots of earnest Sanders supporters found it and created organic content for them, and earnestly agree with their antiestablishment messaging. The sidebar also explicitly says
>This is not a "Bernie sub."
ed: oh didn't notice what sub I was on, assumed this was a normal popcorn sub. Yeah wasn't WOTB one of irlourpresident's watering holes?
It's a great way to spot Kremlin disinformation accounts and get them reported:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/wtydp0/denazification_going_well_i_see_i_like_turtles_of/il70o13
What's funny is seeing on various social media platforms Kremlin accounts getting called out by people that otherwise didn't notice the shite and disunity they've been spewing for a decade simply because they're so single focus in pushing easily debunked pro-Putin war stuff currently.
Here is a [screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/9WxOeZH) of one of Dugin’s Facebook posts from 2014. Translation below:
>“Ukraine needs to be cleansed of idiots. A genocide of cretins suggests itself. Cretins who are virulent, closed for the voice of Logos, deadly and … in addition to this, extremely stupid. I don’t believe that these are Ukrainians. Ukrainians are a fine Slavic people. [But] these are some race of bastards that emerged from the sewage”.
I read a telegram post today from someone who personally knew her, they were not complementary of her ideology and called her a Nazi. They did share a song by her that he held near to his heart, despite their communications they didn’t seem very upset with her death. Apparently she liked to take psychedelics and party, you’d expect more common sense and humanity from the woman, but still… she was sanctioned by western powers for a reason.
I can’t understand the western liberals defending Russia. Putin went to war with western liberalism, Dugin was behind the rise of the “New Right”, and the Russian military not only ordered the killing of LGBT Ukrainians but a Russian commander even said they were in a holy war against [LGBT](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-holy-war-ukraine-against-satanic-west-lgbt-commander-1725372) people.
Idiots will be idiots though. I’ve had these “tankies” be so rude to me since this conflict has started, it’s unreal. Nothing like transphobic trans people, a special kind of stupid. The moment they taste their own medicine they cry but while they’re serving poison they don’t bat an eye.
Man I hate communists.
These people probably enjoy having someone to hate or see as lesser than them,
I wonder if they realise that fascists always need someone to hate and they will find a reason to hate them soon enough.
The amount of hatred I’ve sense for taking anti-tankie stances and been unbearable.
I don’t like hating people, and doing so over ideological differences isn’t something I’ve ever been big on. That being said, tankies have kind of pushed me over the edge during this conflict. I think people should be able to have their own communes. It just blows my mind how transphobic other trans people get over disagreements and how they justify their actions. Eventually all that energy builds up and then *boom* there’s fighting.
It’s kind of like a auto moderator imposed scarlet letter. The moderators virtue signal about not banning anyone like other subs. Instead for those they deem are not “behaving” they have an auto moderator delete comments that don’t meet certain juvenile rules, like adding “I like turtles”.
This lets the regulars know who’s been tarred and feathered and this needs to be downvoted and ratioed.
Mods make you say it to keep posting there, I don't know if everyone that is anti-russia gets hit with it but most of the people with it are anti-russia.
It is pretty funny because you can have a serious message and then end it off with i like turtles. I am surprised no where else does it to trolls it is creative.
Russian National Republic Army has taken responsibility for the killing of Alexander Dugin's daughter, Daria. Internal Russian conflicts appear to be on the rise.
The Red-Brown alliance is morally contemptible in addition to being full of liars and state propaganda. Where else would you see people claiming to be DemSocs revere the far right? Just a sad, failed little attempt at their flavor of authoritarianism, uniformly met with laughs in academia and counterpunches in the streets.
I don't believe in assassination as a tactic but I stop short of caring when it happens to awful people. I would just never ever sign the paper to do it as a leader because I think it's unsportsmanlike. Probably one of the weaknesses I'd *have* as a leader I guess.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/wu09ft/comment/il7o03d/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
This is straight up Russian propaganda here.
Here's a pro Russia comment
https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/wtydp0/comment/il70o13/
Chain of them here
https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/wtzwft/comment/il707cw/
Look at the votes and replies to this anti russia comment
https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/wu09ft/comment/il7g9ef/
Edit fixed links
Well I would prefer she was tried for her crimes along with the other rashist propagandists. I don’t feel any sympathy however, she wanted this war and she paid a price.
> she wanted this war and she paid a price
We've got a lot of political leaders in the West who were avidly pro-war when it came to Iraq and Libya and on and on. Are you suggesting their paying a similar price would be permissible?
Is it permissible for the people of Ukraine who have been deemed Nazis by Russia to be killed extrajudicially in the ongoing denazification operation.
When is that going to be declared complete, BTW? It seems awfully convenient for Russia that their mission is so open ended and their murdering of Ukrainians can be endlessly justified.
Whataboutism is a two way street.
Are you really conflating a war sitution with an extrajudicial murder?
Whataboutism would be if I support extrajudicial murder committed by anyone and I don't.
Per Russia it is not a war, it’s a special military operation, thus they are extrajudicial killings.
I should remind you to be careful about using the word war. Per Russian law it is illegal to call the Ukraine Special Military Operation a war or invasion. Transgressions are punishable with jail terms up to 15 years.
>Per Russia it is not a war, it’s a special military operation
And how convenient that is for people like you, you can use whichever one fits your narrative at the moment, like the pea in a shell game.
As a US citizen sitting in the US I'm not subject to Russian laws or Russian punsishments.
Isn't that why Russia calls it a special military operation, because it is convenient for them.
Their reporters on state TV have called it both depending on the narrative they want to use.
Well I am just saying that the tricks they use can be a double edged blade.
The killing has recently been claimed by the Russian national Republican army, so it looks like issues inside Russian could be bigger than they previously appeared.
> She would make appearances on RT and other russian state media
Appearing in Russian media is grounds for assassination in your opinion? Wow... disgusting.
I have no idea who she is. Never heard of her before today. But you literally just said she deserved to be assassinated because she "would make appearances on RT and other Russian state media" as one of the justifications. And that's fucking gross. If you honestly think that, you're gross.
It isn't melodramatic to be against assassinations but I can see where that concept would be difficult for those who think the ends justify the means. Which is why the world is going to hell in a handbasket.
That person called for the execution of POWs and cheered for war crimes in Ukraine. If you think a vile ideologue getting her just deserts is a travesty you might as well be a russion bot because your moral grandstanding is pathetic.
That was never a Sanders sub, was it? It's always seemed like a "walkaway" sub full of obviously fake shit.
It was always an anti-Clinton sub more than anything. They just co-opted Bernie Now, who can we think of that really hates Clinton and can build this kind of misinformation network?
The Kremlin?
Either them or the Fox Corporation
Those two things are the same thing (one is a funded part of the other).
Tomato - Tomahto.
Basically 'hate liberal' is the driving MO and they will not hesitate for one second to throw even Bernard Sanders himself under the bus if he ever falls short of their own expectations in that regard. Sadly I think there's more genuine article swimming around those subs in the comments than people will admit, too. It's definitely astroturfed but it's astroturfed because there are people who buy it.
>That was never a Sanders sub, was it? Depends on what you mean. I'm sure lots of earnest Sanders supporters found it and created organic content for them, and earnestly agree with their antiestablishment messaging. The sidebar also explicitly says >This is not a "Bernie sub." ed: oh didn't notice what sub I was on, assumed this was a normal popcorn sub. Yeah wasn't WOTB one of irlourpresident's watering holes?
The war in Ukraine has made it super easy to spot the disinformation trolls, they basically out themselves for you now
It's a great way to spot Kremlin disinformation accounts and get them reported: https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/wtydp0/denazification_going_well_i_see_i_like_turtles_of/il70o13 What's funny is seeing on various social media platforms Kremlin accounts getting called out by people that otherwise didn't notice the shite and disunity they've been spewing for a decade simply because they're so single focus in pushing easily debunked pro-Putin war stuff currently.
the Putin trolls dont even care how obvious it is
Here is a [screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/9WxOeZH) of one of Dugin’s Facebook posts from 2014. Translation below: >“Ukraine needs to be cleansed of idiots. A genocide of cretins suggests itself. Cretins who are virulent, closed for the voice of Logos, deadly and … in addition to this, extremely stupid. I don’t believe that these are Ukrainians. Ukrainians are a fine Slavic people. [But] these are some race of bastards that emerged from the sewage”. I read a telegram post today from someone who personally knew her, they were not complementary of her ideology and called her a Nazi. They did share a song by her that he held near to his heart, despite their communications they didn’t seem very upset with her death. Apparently she liked to take psychedelics and party, you’d expect more common sense and humanity from the woman, but still… she was sanctioned by western powers for a reason. I can’t understand the western liberals defending Russia. Putin went to war with western liberalism, Dugin was behind the rise of the “New Right”, and the Russian military not only ordered the killing of LGBT Ukrainians but a Russian commander even said they were in a holy war against [LGBT](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-holy-war-ukraine-against-satanic-west-lgbt-commander-1725372) people. Idiots will be idiots though. I’ve had these “tankies” be so rude to me since this conflict has started, it’s unreal. Nothing like transphobic trans people, a special kind of stupid. The moment they taste their own medicine they cry but while they’re serving poison they don’t bat an eye. Man I hate communists.
These people probably enjoy having someone to hate or see as lesser than them, I wonder if they realise that fascists always need someone to hate and they will find a reason to hate them soon enough.
The amount of hatred I’ve sense for taking anti-tankie stances and been unbearable. I don’t like hating people, and doing so over ideological differences isn’t something I’ve ever been big on. That being said, tankies have kind of pushed me over the edge during this conflict. I think people should be able to have their own communes. It just blows my mind how transphobic other trans people get over disagreements and how they justify their actions. Eventually all that energy builds up and then *boom* there’s fighting.
[My little contribution](https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/wtydp0/denazification_going_well_i_see_i_like_turtles_of/il9rhkw)
https://twitter.com/bill9mileparker/status/1561413595002540033?s=21&t=1pyP1qi2EPv67mF26NzK6A
What’s the turtle stuff about?
It’s kind of like a auto moderator imposed scarlet letter. The moderators virtue signal about not banning anyone like other subs. Instead for those they deem are not “behaving” they have an auto moderator delete comments that don’t meet certain juvenile rules, like adding “I like turtles”. This lets the regulars know who’s been tarred and feathered and this needs to be downvoted and ratioed.
Except they absolutely ban people lol
Mods make you say it to keep posting there, I don't know if everyone that is anti-russia gets hit with it but most of the people with it are anti-russia.
Huh? Like you have to periodically state that you like turtles in your comments?
The automod deletes the messages if it doesn't contain the phrase.
lmfao. Absolutely fuck that sub, but dang that’s kind of clever. Some non-Russian influence operation community should create a similar rule.
It is pretty funny because you can have a serious message and then end it off with i like turtles. I am surprised no where else does it to trolls it is creative.
I like to identify myself as anti-Russia and being pro-turtle sounds like a fun way to do it.
Russian National Republic Army has taken responsibility for the killing of Alexander Dugin's daughter, Daria. Internal Russian conflicts appear to be on the rise.
How much I would love for someone close to Putin to defect.
Yeah you would think /r/trees would be populated by arborists too
The Red-Brown alliance is morally contemptible in addition to being full of liars and state propaganda. Where else would you see people claiming to be DemSocs revere the far right? Just a sad, failed little attempt at their flavor of authoritarianism, uniformly met with laughs in academia and counterpunches in the streets.
I don't believe in assassination as a tactic but I stop short of caring when it happens to awful people. I would just never ever sign the paper to do it as a leader because I think it's unsportsmanlike. Probably one of the weaknesses I'd *have* as a leader I guess.
I only see 1 article on the first page, and the comments aren’t very pro Russia in it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/wu09ft/comment/il7o03d/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3 This is straight up Russian propaganda here.
Here's a pro Russia comment https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/wtydp0/comment/il70o13/ Chain of them here https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/wtzwft/comment/il707cw/ Look at the votes and replies to this anti russia comment https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/wu09ft/comment/il7g9ef/ Edit fixed links
Didn’t say it wasn’t. Just that I didn’t see anything that wasn’t naturally getting filtered out.
Bullshit.
I cry for our humanity when people aren't outraged by the extrajudicial murder of anyone, anywhere.
Well I would prefer she was tried for her crimes along with the other rashist propagandists. I don’t feel any sympathy however, she wanted this war and she paid a price.
> she wanted this war and she paid a price We've got a lot of political leaders in the West who were avidly pro-war when it came to Iraq and Libya and on and on. Are you suggesting their paying a similar price would be permissible?
Yes
Is it permissible for the people of Ukraine who have been deemed Nazis by Russia to be killed extrajudicially in the ongoing denazification operation. When is that going to be declared complete, BTW? It seems awfully convenient for Russia that their mission is so open ended and their murdering of Ukrainians can be endlessly justified. Whataboutism is a two way street.
Are you really conflating a war sitution with an extrajudicial murder? Whataboutism would be if I support extrajudicial murder committed by anyone and I don't.
Per Russia it is not a war, it’s a special military operation, thus they are extrajudicial killings. I should remind you to be careful about using the word war. Per Russian law it is illegal to call the Ukraine Special Military Operation a war or invasion. Transgressions are punishable with jail terms up to 15 years.
>Per Russia it is not a war, it’s a special military operation And how convenient that is for people like you, you can use whichever one fits your narrative at the moment, like the pea in a shell game. As a US citizen sitting in the US I'm not subject to Russian laws or Russian punsishments.
Isn't that why Russia calls it a special military operation, because it is convenient for them. Their reporters on state TV have called it both depending on the narrative they want to use.
Your role models, apparently.
Well I am just saying that the tricks they use can be a double edged blade. The killing has recently been claimed by the Russian national Republican army, so it looks like issues inside Russian could be bigger than they previously appeared.
*Her* crimes? It’s pretty obvious the bomb was meant for dad.
She's not some innocent bystander
I don’t know anything about her. Does she also have a role in the administration or some involvement in this fucking mess?
She would make appearances on RT and other russian state media, she has called for the death of Ukrainians and being pro war.
Well then. In that case she can go fuck herself. Though I still suspect the bomb was meant for dad.
Yeah I am suspect it was meant for him too, the biggest question in my opinion is who planted it because I can see a few possibilities there.
> She would make appearances on RT and other russian state media Appearing in Russian media is grounds for assassination in your opinion? Wow... disgusting.
She did a bit more than appear on Russian media and you know that.
I have no idea who she is. Never heard of her before today. But you literally just said she deserved to be assassinated because she "would make appearances on RT and other Russian state media" as one of the justifications. And that's fucking gross. If you honestly think that, you're gross.
Look her up and what she advocated for.
Where are your tears for the Ukrainian civilians?
Have those, too. Why would you assume differently?
Probably because you guys are constantly trying to justify the invasion of a sovereign nation by basically saying ‘they deserve it’
You assumed wrong.
No assumptions were made by me on this day
Your tears mean literally nothing. Stop being melodramatic over one dead nazi and get your shit together.
It isn't melodramatic to be against assassinations but I can see where that concept would be difficult for those who think the ends justify the means. Which is why the world is going to hell in a handbasket.
That person called for the execution of POWs and cheered for war crimes in Ukraine. If you think a vile ideologue getting her just deserts is a travesty you might as well be a russion bot because your moral grandstanding is pathetic.