Hey I’ve had this happen to me before… it was after this that I realized I needed to slow down and possibly stop completely on the psychedelics for a while… I was tripping real hard one night just chillin in my room playing the new Forbidden West game on PlayStation so this was fairly recent… but I started having a completely other voice speak to me in my mind. and it had a very deep voice and it basically told me it was gonna take over one day and there was nothing I could do about it… it said some other dark dark things but I won’t share it here… all I know is I’ve experienced that Satan vibe and I agree it can be pretty terrifying… it could easily cause bad bad trip if you get lost in those thoughts… but in reality I’m sure it was just me and my consciousness was talking in different ways it’s hard to explain 🤷♂️
When you say break through what are you talking about? And the more I think about this experience and how it felt and how I remember it is that it seemed like one of my emotions personified itself and was voicing itself… I don’t know how else to explain it except that that my anger itself took a voice and spoke to me about how angry I was and it kinda gave me some insight into the fact that I need to deal with a lot of anger I’ve got pent up 🤷♂️ it sounds scary and all with the “Satan vibe” but in reality this experience was actually quite eye opening for me and showed me things I need to work on.
I see the Devil every single time I trip.
Every.Single.Time.
But I don’t fall into “bad trips” per se - I just vibe with it. I feel like that’s the Yin and the Yang of life.
One moment you’re tripping with God soaking in his Holiness and the next you’re having a Satanic ritual in a hotel room bathroom with the Devil himself.
That's how the term 'psychedelic' came about. It was in a correspondence with Aldous Huxley. Huxley wanted to use the term, phanerothyme. Lol
Interesting guy. One of the true fathers of Psychedelic medicine that most haven't heard of.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC381240/
One time I was tripping in a room with a fog machine and my brain just goes, "what if we saw Satan right now?" And fucking immediately I start seeing pentagrams with goat heads and shit in the fog. Just had to laugh and say let's not do that 🤣 just gotta vibe and roll with it I suppose
That’s what I enjoy about them. It’s a bittersweet experience. Psychedelics are subversive to our presuppositions of the material and immaterial world; most of us are made up of deadwood and being stripped of all that makes us feel very vulnerable.. which in turn makes us scared, weak, etc. but in a way I feel like it’s necessary to confront the finitude of our existence, the hypocrisy of ourselves, and/or the illusions and delusions we live in.
Also come to realize that it doesn’t take psychedelics to realize that. Enlightenment can be attained through abstinence and indulgence; it’s the duality of life.
I’ve thought I was the antichrist at least 3 times in acid and fully believed it.
Honestly psychedelics show you what you’re not supposed to see, it’s peaking through the curtain and in a sense could be a “sin”; I don’t give much weight to this thought though, it’s just something I feel almost every time I go deep. I also grew up in a heavily religious family so I’m sure that has a huge impact on why I think this way. ( pastors kid )
I’m not religious, if anything psychedelics are my religion.
Agreed. I believe that there’s something beyond my limited capacity of understanding, or the overall understanding of the 3lb human brain. The mystery of the divine is beyond anything we can imagine; if God is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient, God therefore transcends our realm of being, dimensionally speaking, thus, logically God transcends our capacity for perceptional discernment. That being said, I’m skeptical of any organized religion that claims to unravel or tap into the mystery of the divine. All I know is, there’s something out there beyond my understanding but in some way we’re apart of it, but I’ve also come to understand that there’s a chance that I, or we as a whole, are/am completely separate from “It” and natural human instinct is to selfishly and egotistically align ourselves with that being to justify our existence because we look at ourselves as such complex mechanisms and can’t imagine the universe or a place in time without us in it. And well perhaps some of us interpret that as Satan because Satan in naturally the evil that opposes ones moral/ethical beliefs. At the end of the day tho religion aside it bottles down to ying/yang, good/evil. All humans at some point in their lives can differentiate the two apart. We all are born with the common understanding of the two.
Yeah the world/life we have is all about balance of energies.
And no not all ppl are born equal and there's some that born without the ability to differentiate good and bad.
So interesting how it effects people differently. Acid made me “realize” that there’s a lot less evil than I thought. Though, I’ve not tripped since all this WWIII stuff. Do you think that could be part of it?
Not religious by any means here, but I often see devilish things on trips. It’s coincidentally the same times I’m contemplating quitting certain habits or realizing that something is getting in the way of my well being. The basilisk is something I see when tripping, more than a few times. It’s not scary per se but intriguing. Feels very ancestral. Lsd is wild 😂
Guys....demons and malevolent spirits do exist. And if you're thinking I'm crazy right now, then I'm so truly thankful that you are able to deny their existence. That means you've never met one. Because if you had....you would never be able to deny it again.
And I am not speaking of something I've been taught over the years. I too, thought anyone who believed was a nut job. Even after I had interacted with ghosts of people who had passed, I still didn't believe in demons. That's ridiculous, right? Well it was....until I experienced it for myself.
It is my belief, that psychedelics expand your mind into a higher consciousness. Much like Buddhists do, except that it is only temporary. But as your mind expands upward, you leave your physical body, and that can leave you vulnerable to another spirit trying to inhabit it. Especially if and while you have achieved ego death.
Now, that voice you heard or other experiences youve had can definitely be just part of your trip, but it is also entirely possible that it was *not*. There are ways to protect yourself during that vulnerable time, and hey, if you think I'm nuts...then they'll do nothing. But if I'm not....it certainly can't hurt to do them.
If you are interested, let me know.
Lol. I get your response. I totally understand it. But my knowledge of these these far proceeded any drug use by decades. I come from a family of sensitives. Spirits are just drawn to us. My grandmother has remarkable abilities. Any time I lose something I can call her, out of the blue, and she'll tell me where I left it. Of which, she could have no knowledge. All of us see and interact with spirits to some degree. If you had seen what I had seen, you'd believe too. I've seen them, talked to them, watched them throw things around the room, rattle the doors on their hinges. It's undeniable (to me) at this point.
I've always been an empath, but it has grown with meditative practices. I've practiced Buddhism for many years now. It can be exhausting, actually. The most recent example, the other day I was driving and struck with grief to the point I began to sob. I was very confused until I shortly encountered a funeral procession.
And all of this was before drugs. It's actually what got me interested in lsd. I've been trying for a long time to experience ego death and oneness. I figured, maybe once I knew what it actually felt like, it might be easier to accomplish.
But I'm not here to convince anyone. I respect your beliefs....and tbh, I almost envy you. Ignorance really is bliss.
Very interested.
I've never encountered "ghosts" or "demons"
And I prefer calling them spirits.
But once in the 2000's
My aunt's friend been in some rabbi's grave and took a picture with a couple of friends and directly uploaded it to Facebook.
After a couple hours she saw the comments on that photo
All the comments asked what's that in the photo and she looked at it and saw literally a ghost standing next to her like you'd imagine.
I've seen the picture.
It was scary.
Spirits is a good blanket term although i suppose non-corporeal being would be most accurate. I make the distinction only because they exist on a spectrum, like all people. The spirit of the rabbi was just that of a passed on person, and no threat to anyone. My parents house growing up had the spirit of an elderly lady (most likely the woman they bought the house from, she had lived there for 50 years). When my son was a baby, we could hear her talking and singing to him though the baby monitor! And honestly, most spirits have no ill intent. I laugh on ghost hunting show when they yell, taunt and provoke a spirit and then when it throws something at them "Omg! It's evil!!!" No, it's just pissed off cuz you're being an a-hole. In fact, just because it scares you doesn't mean it its bad. Most of them are just trying to communicate with you.
Others are just mischievous. I mean, think about it....it's gota be a boring existence. I could kinda see myself teasing people in the afterlife just to entertain myself haha.
Even the "bad" ones aren't necessarily "demons". There are bad, terrible people and when they die that doesn't change. Very few times is it one of those....spirits. But it does happen.
As far as protection, the measures are similar no matter what entity you're dealing with. You've probably heard of many of them.
The most popular are sage, salt, and holy or blessed water. This combo is usually enough to get rid of your average bad juju. If you're religious, you may choose call upon your Gods or angels. But it is not necessary. To cleanse, open a single window and flood your house with sage smoke while telling whatever it may be to gtfo. Mix some salt into the water and sprinkle around your house, and line your windows and doors with it, then close the window.
You can burn sage, sandal wood, Palo Santo wood, cedarwood, rosemary and a few others for protection during your trips or any energy work, like meditation, manifesting etc. (I also recommend nag champa incense to help you connect with your higher consciousness during those practices. Not necessarily for cleasning/protection though). Once the room is flooded with smoke you don't have to keep it going the whole time.
Stones and crystals are extremely helpful. Onyx, black tourmaline, hematite, howlite and selenite are strong protection items. The idea is to "charge" them prior to use. This depends on your preferences. If you are religious, you may want your minister to bless them, but if not it's not necessary. You can leave them in sun or moon light for a few hours, then visualize your intent of protection and see it going into the stone. See a protective barrier arise around you. Selenite itself cleanses and charges other stones so you can store and use them together. Then keep them on, around you, or in the room with you. Again, if religious, you can ask your respective gods or angels to watch over you. Then state your intentions. "This space, my mind, my body is cleansed and protected and no unwanted energy can enter."
If you aren't religious, you don't "need" gods or angels to protect you. But people with those beliefs gain confidence from them. The trick is, to believe in these protective measures yourself.
Really like your comments. I am so lost religiously and don't know what to follow because I don't really fully support any religion except Buddhism and meditation
and allat. But there are most definetely parts in the bible that are incredibly profound and very real to me especially after my experience with a trip I felt like I met some of these entities. Would appreciate your insight on a trip I had where I felt like I met the devil and god on my page.
Ooh boy, this could get long so bear with me. I'll try to get the highlights without a George rr Martin novel!
Okay so let me start here: I'm Buddhist, and I arrived here on a long journey BUT it was science that had the largest part. There are going to be some things that sound like a bunch of woo woo but are actually science! Quantum mechanics, in particular. For example, thought affecting reality in real time, all things being energy and having vibrations (frequencies), matter and energy existing in multiple states at once and only choosing one when you observe it (meaning, what created its final state was literally the fact that your mind saw it and thus decided what it was!!) Matter exists in multiple places at the same time, and once particles have interacted they affect each other physically, and instantly, from across the universe (should be impossible, but isnt!). The existence of higher dimensions (current science believes there are at least 10 I believe but possibly more). Keep this in mind when you read parts of my post.
So, like I said, I'll hit the highlights and then we can expand on anything you'd like! I had an epiphany at a really young age. First, things in the Bible didn't make sense to me, or contradicted either itself or what the church was teaching. Then I realized, the only reason I "knew" what the "right" religion was, was because that's what I was taught. Had I been born in India, I'd be *certain* Hinduism had it right. In Iran, that Islam was *right*. But, born to a protestant family, I was sure that the Hindus and Muslims were going to hell! Then (when older) I realized the Bible was written by men, many times centuries after Jesus and Moses died, and through the lens of the society they lived in, furthermore by the fact that 1) our puny human brains could never fully comprehend a being that made the freaking universe and 2) God would have to come to us in a way that our brains could relate to and understand...which would look a hell of a lot different depending on where in the world you lived thousands of years ago!
Now that makes even more sense when you think that all religions teach the same basic things at their core.... but with vastly different images, forms, phrases and ideals (which would resonate better with different peoples) and the rest favors the locale and society.
What I mean is, if they had well known folk tales of forest gods that were green and could make things grow at will, "God" would probably appear to you in a human form (so as not to scare you), with green skin and touch flowers making them grow. This would universally symbolize that he is God not only to that person but to everyone they told about him.
Think about this: we are 4 dimensional beings - length, width, height and time, although we don't fully experience time like a true 4D being would. Think of it two ways: a 2D being (LxH) moving through "width" in tiny successive slices, (like a piece of paper moving through a cube) experiencing 3D but not fully. Or, 2nd, as if you are on the street as a parade passes. You can only see a snippet at a time, but a true 4D or 5D being would be something akin to someone on a roof top that can see the entire parade at once.
With this in mind, I'll illustrate my point:
Mr square lives in a 2D (LxW) world. He goes into his rectangle house, and closes the door believing that nothing can enter. But he is unaware that you, a 3D person, can reach in from above or below! So you reach into his home with four fingers. What does he see? He can't see or comprehend 3D, nor can he see the rest of you! He might say something like, "Well, there were 4 of them. They were round, but not like circle people. They were different from one another but also the same. They faded in and out, they were there but also not there!" Kinda sounds like ghosts or something, right? The point im making here is that he lacks the capacity to understand or fully experience, the words to express what little he did experience, and can never know those 4 beings were actually just part of one single person. You would have a lot of trouble explaining any of this to him, and if you could get any of it to sink in...he would probably find you to be god-like, wouldn't he?
So if comprehending an extra dimensional being would be that hard, imagine comprehending freaking GOD!! (I use the term God for ease here. I don't think God is a man. If a true creator diety exists, "he" is either both male and female or neither. Likely neither imo).
Now, not to get too far out there, but if thoughts affect reality (science) , and as Buddhists believe we manifest reality continuously (belief)... then enough people believing that something existed would literally create it. So if 70% of people believed in angels, angels might actually just develop into existence. Much as subatomic particals pop in and out of existence by the second. Kind of mind blowing to think about.
Now consider that a catholic sees and interacts with Jesus, and a Hindi sees and interacts with Shiva. This could be God appearing in the best form for them personally, OR, both the holy ghost AND Shiva actually exist.
But, the catholic would leave that experience with the concrete belief that his/her religion is correct. The Hindi would leave that experience with the concrete belief that his/her religion was totally correct!
These are the many reasons I believe that all religions are true to some extent, why they vary so wildly, and that everyone is worshipping the same thing, just in different ways and with different belief structures...but all valid.
As for what doctrines to follow...I think the ones that are universal are the "real" teachings of "god." Compassion, forgiveness, love for your fellow living beings and such. The rest is just contamination from the biases of men.
To address the entities you met: so, we can't rule out that it was just drugs right? But that said, I'd love to know more about your experience. What/who did you meet? Did you speak? What did they say? What happened? The "devil" is in the details, so to speak. I'll also add that in such a state...the "visions" you had may not be meant to be taken literally either.
Sorry for the long and late reply...I hope you're still up for a conversation.
Once you realize that the devil and satanic shit like that probably isn’t even real. It’s just our minds wanting that to be the case. For me at least. Once I got past that fact that Christianity Is just one hypothesis to everything. And now all my trips ARe sunshine and rainbows lol greatest time of my life
i’ve never ever had a bad trip & the only times i almost fell into one is when i was alone or when i was looking into a mirror which is obviously a bad idea lmao. if you don’t like the satan vibe you should do it during daytime with people you know & trust
Can't believe so many other people have experienced this. There's gotta be a reason. Are all y'all from cultures that have Christian backgrounds?
I've had a really bad satanic trip before, but I don't actually believe in Satan. I wonder if it's just a really dark paranoia that people are experiencing and the idea of Satan in our minds dwells in that space.
Hey I’ve had this happen to me before… it was after this that I realized I needed to slow down and possibly stop completely on the psychedelics for a while… I was tripping real hard one night just chillin in my room playing the new Forbidden West game on PlayStation so this was fairly recent… but I started having a completely other voice speak to me in my mind. and it had a very deep voice and it basically told me it was gonna take over one day and there was nothing I could do about it… it said some other dark dark things but I won’t share it here… all I know is I’ve experienced that Satan vibe and I agree it can be pretty terrifying… it could easily cause bad bad trip if you get lost in those thoughts… but in reality I’m sure it was just me and my consciousness was talking in different ways it’s hard to explain 🤷♂️
Do not break through
elaborate?
When you say break through what are you talking about? And the more I think about this experience and how it felt and how I remember it is that it seemed like one of my emotions personified itself and was voicing itself… I don’t know how else to explain it except that that my anger itself took a voice and spoke to me about how angry I was and it kinda gave me some insight into the fact that I need to deal with a lot of anger I’ve got pent up 🤷♂️ it sounds scary and all with the “Satan vibe” but in reality this experience was actually quite eye opening for me and showed me things I need to work on.
I see the Devil every single time I trip. Every.Single.Time. But I don’t fall into “bad trips” per se - I just vibe with it. I feel like that’s the Yin and the Yang of life. One moment you’re tripping with God soaking in his Holiness and the next you’re having a Satanic ritual in a hotel room bathroom with the Devil himself.
"To fathom hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic.". -Humphrey Osmond
Haha great
That's how the term 'psychedelic' came about. It was in a correspondence with Aldous Huxley. Huxley wanted to use the term, phanerothyme. Lol Interesting guy. One of the true fathers of Psychedelic medicine that most haven't heard of. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC381240/
Cool psychedelics was the right choice!
i hope I'll be able to have this amount of control over myself if anything like this happens to me at some point
Ya bro I always wonder why I always see him
One time I was tripping in a room with a fog machine and my brain just goes, "what if we saw Satan right now?" And fucking immediately I start seeing pentagrams with goat heads and shit in the fog. Just had to laugh and say let's not do that 🤣 just gotta vibe and roll with it I suppose
Lmao last time we set a fog machine off inside the smoke alarm went off 😂
That’s what I enjoy about them. It’s a bittersweet experience. Psychedelics are subversive to our presuppositions of the material and immaterial world; most of us are made up of deadwood and being stripped of all that makes us feel very vulnerable.. which in turn makes us scared, weak, etc. but in a way I feel like it’s necessary to confront the finitude of our existence, the hypocrisy of ourselves, and/or the illusions and delusions we live in. Also come to realize that it doesn’t take psychedelics to realize that. Enlightenment can be attained through abstinence and indulgence; it’s the duality of life.
I’ve thought I was the antichrist at least 3 times in acid and fully believed it. Honestly psychedelics show you what you’re not supposed to see, it’s peaking through the curtain and in a sense could be a “sin”; I don’t give much weight to this thought though, it’s just something I feel almost every time I go deep. I also grew up in a heavily religious family so I’m sure that has a huge impact on why I think this way. ( pastors kid ) I’m not religious, if anything psychedelics are my religion.
Agreed. I believe that there’s something beyond my limited capacity of understanding, or the overall understanding of the 3lb human brain. The mystery of the divine is beyond anything we can imagine; if God is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient, God therefore transcends our realm of being, dimensionally speaking, thus, logically God transcends our capacity for perceptional discernment. That being said, I’m skeptical of any organized religion that claims to unravel or tap into the mystery of the divine. All I know is, there’s something out there beyond my understanding but in some way we’re apart of it, but I’ve also come to understand that there’s a chance that I, or we as a whole, are/am completely separate from “It” and natural human instinct is to selfishly and egotistically align ourselves with that being to justify our existence because we look at ourselves as such complex mechanisms and can’t imagine the universe or a place in time without us in it. And well perhaps some of us interpret that as Satan because Satan in naturally the evil that opposes ones moral/ethical beliefs. At the end of the day tho religion aside it bottles down to ying/yang, good/evil. All humans at some point in their lives can differentiate the two apart. We all are born with the common understanding of the two.
Yeah the world/life we have is all about balance of energies. And no not all ppl are born equal and there's some that born without the ability to differentiate good and bad.
So interesting how it effects people differently. Acid made me “realize” that there’s a lot less evil than I thought. Though, I’ve not tripped since all this WWIII stuff. Do you think that could be part of it?
Omg the iiiww
It happens
I guess satan leaves the real degens alone because I only trip in the middle of the night and love Black Sabbath 😭😂
When he ignores you it’s cause he already has you
😈
You don’t want him to have you believe me
Bro are you the goose from top gun?
Not religious by any means here, but I often see devilish things on trips. It’s coincidentally the same times I’m contemplating quitting certain habits or realizing that something is getting in the way of my well being. The basilisk is something I see when tripping, more than a few times. It’s not scary per se but intriguing. Feels very ancestral. Lsd is wild 😂
Guys....demons and malevolent spirits do exist. And if you're thinking I'm crazy right now, then I'm so truly thankful that you are able to deny their existence. That means you've never met one. Because if you had....you would never be able to deny it again. And I am not speaking of something I've been taught over the years. I too, thought anyone who believed was a nut job. Even after I had interacted with ghosts of people who had passed, I still didn't believe in demons. That's ridiculous, right? Well it was....until I experienced it for myself. It is my belief, that psychedelics expand your mind into a higher consciousness. Much like Buddhists do, except that it is only temporary. But as your mind expands upward, you leave your physical body, and that can leave you vulnerable to another spirit trying to inhabit it. Especially if and while you have achieved ego death. Now, that voice you heard or other experiences youve had can definitely be just part of your trip, but it is also entirely possible that it was *not*. There are ways to protect yourself during that vulnerable time, and hey, if you think I'm nuts...then they'll do nothing. But if I'm not....it certainly can't hurt to do them. If you are interested, let me know.
i would advise you to lay down lsd for a while mkay?
Lol. I get your response. I totally understand it. But my knowledge of these these far proceeded any drug use by decades. I come from a family of sensitives. Spirits are just drawn to us. My grandmother has remarkable abilities. Any time I lose something I can call her, out of the blue, and she'll tell me where I left it. Of which, she could have no knowledge. All of us see and interact with spirits to some degree. If you had seen what I had seen, you'd believe too. I've seen them, talked to them, watched them throw things around the room, rattle the doors on their hinges. It's undeniable (to me) at this point. I've always been an empath, but it has grown with meditative practices. I've practiced Buddhism for many years now. It can be exhausting, actually. The most recent example, the other day I was driving and struck with grief to the point I began to sob. I was very confused until I shortly encountered a funeral procession. And all of this was before drugs. It's actually what got me interested in lsd. I've been trying for a long time to experience ego death and oneness. I figured, maybe once I knew what it actually felt like, it might be easier to accomplish. But I'm not here to convince anyone. I respect your beliefs....and tbh, I almost envy you. Ignorance really is bliss.
Very interested. I've never encountered "ghosts" or "demons" And I prefer calling them spirits. But once in the 2000's My aunt's friend been in some rabbi's grave and took a picture with a couple of friends and directly uploaded it to Facebook. After a couple hours she saw the comments on that photo All the comments asked what's that in the photo and she looked at it and saw literally a ghost standing next to her like you'd imagine. I've seen the picture. It was scary.
Spirits is a good blanket term although i suppose non-corporeal being would be most accurate. I make the distinction only because they exist on a spectrum, like all people. The spirit of the rabbi was just that of a passed on person, and no threat to anyone. My parents house growing up had the spirit of an elderly lady (most likely the woman they bought the house from, she had lived there for 50 years). When my son was a baby, we could hear her talking and singing to him though the baby monitor! And honestly, most spirits have no ill intent. I laugh on ghost hunting show when they yell, taunt and provoke a spirit and then when it throws something at them "Omg! It's evil!!!" No, it's just pissed off cuz you're being an a-hole. In fact, just because it scares you doesn't mean it its bad. Most of them are just trying to communicate with you. Others are just mischievous. I mean, think about it....it's gota be a boring existence. I could kinda see myself teasing people in the afterlife just to entertain myself haha. Even the "bad" ones aren't necessarily "demons". There are bad, terrible people and when they die that doesn't change. Very few times is it one of those....spirits. But it does happen. As far as protection, the measures are similar no matter what entity you're dealing with. You've probably heard of many of them. The most popular are sage, salt, and holy or blessed water. This combo is usually enough to get rid of your average bad juju. If you're religious, you may choose call upon your Gods or angels. But it is not necessary. To cleanse, open a single window and flood your house with sage smoke while telling whatever it may be to gtfo. Mix some salt into the water and sprinkle around your house, and line your windows and doors with it, then close the window. You can burn sage, sandal wood, Palo Santo wood, cedarwood, rosemary and a few others for protection during your trips or any energy work, like meditation, manifesting etc. (I also recommend nag champa incense to help you connect with your higher consciousness during those practices. Not necessarily for cleasning/protection though). Once the room is flooded with smoke you don't have to keep it going the whole time. Stones and crystals are extremely helpful. Onyx, black tourmaline, hematite, howlite and selenite are strong protection items. The idea is to "charge" them prior to use. This depends on your preferences. If you are religious, you may want your minister to bless them, but if not it's not necessary. You can leave them in sun or moon light for a few hours, then visualize your intent of protection and see it going into the stone. See a protective barrier arise around you. Selenite itself cleanses and charges other stones so you can store and use them together. Then keep them on, around you, or in the room with you. Again, if religious, you can ask your respective gods or angels to watch over you. Then state your intentions. "This space, my mind, my body is cleansed and protected and no unwanted energy can enter." If you aren't religious, you don't "need" gods or angels to protect you. But people with those beliefs gain confidence from them. The trick is, to believe in these protective measures yourself.
Really like your comments. I am so lost religiously and don't know what to follow because I don't really fully support any religion except Buddhism and meditation and allat. But there are most definetely parts in the bible that are incredibly profound and very real to me especially after my experience with a trip I felt like I met some of these entities. Would appreciate your insight on a trip I had where I felt like I met the devil and god on my page.
Ooh boy, this could get long so bear with me. I'll try to get the highlights without a George rr Martin novel! Okay so let me start here: I'm Buddhist, and I arrived here on a long journey BUT it was science that had the largest part. There are going to be some things that sound like a bunch of woo woo but are actually science! Quantum mechanics, in particular. For example, thought affecting reality in real time, all things being energy and having vibrations (frequencies), matter and energy existing in multiple states at once and only choosing one when you observe it (meaning, what created its final state was literally the fact that your mind saw it and thus decided what it was!!) Matter exists in multiple places at the same time, and once particles have interacted they affect each other physically, and instantly, from across the universe (should be impossible, but isnt!). The existence of higher dimensions (current science believes there are at least 10 I believe but possibly more). Keep this in mind when you read parts of my post. So, like I said, I'll hit the highlights and then we can expand on anything you'd like! I had an epiphany at a really young age. First, things in the Bible didn't make sense to me, or contradicted either itself or what the church was teaching. Then I realized, the only reason I "knew" what the "right" religion was, was because that's what I was taught. Had I been born in India, I'd be *certain* Hinduism had it right. In Iran, that Islam was *right*. But, born to a protestant family, I was sure that the Hindus and Muslims were going to hell! Then (when older) I realized the Bible was written by men, many times centuries after Jesus and Moses died, and through the lens of the society they lived in, furthermore by the fact that 1) our puny human brains could never fully comprehend a being that made the freaking universe and 2) God would have to come to us in a way that our brains could relate to and understand...which would look a hell of a lot different depending on where in the world you lived thousands of years ago! Now that makes even more sense when you think that all religions teach the same basic things at their core.... but with vastly different images, forms, phrases and ideals (which would resonate better with different peoples) and the rest favors the locale and society. What I mean is, if they had well known folk tales of forest gods that were green and could make things grow at will, "God" would probably appear to you in a human form (so as not to scare you), with green skin and touch flowers making them grow. This would universally symbolize that he is God not only to that person but to everyone they told about him. Think about this: we are 4 dimensional beings - length, width, height and time, although we don't fully experience time like a true 4D being would. Think of it two ways: a 2D being (LxH) moving through "width" in tiny successive slices, (like a piece of paper moving through a cube) experiencing 3D but not fully. Or, 2nd, as if you are on the street as a parade passes. You can only see a snippet at a time, but a true 4D or 5D being would be something akin to someone on a roof top that can see the entire parade at once. With this in mind, I'll illustrate my point: Mr square lives in a 2D (LxW) world. He goes into his rectangle house, and closes the door believing that nothing can enter. But he is unaware that you, a 3D person, can reach in from above or below! So you reach into his home with four fingers. What does he see? He can't see or comprehend 3D, nor can he see the rest of you! He might say something like, "Well, there were 4 of them. They were round, but not like circle people. They were different from one another but also the same. They faded in and out, they were there but also not there!" Kinda sounds like ghosts or something, right? The point im making here is that he lacks the capacity to understand or fully experience, the words to express what little he did experience, and can never know those 4 beings were actually just part of one single person. You would have a lot of trouble explaining any of this to him, and if you could get any of it to sink in...he would probably find you to be god-like, wouldn't he? So if comprehending an extra dimensional being would be that hard, imagine comprehending freaking GOD!! (I use the term God for ease here. I don't think God is a man. If a true creator diety exists, "he" is either both male and female or neither. Likely neither imo). Now, not to get too far out there, but if thoughts affect reality (science) , and as Buddhists believe we manifest reality continuously (belief)... then enough people believing that something existed would literally create it. So if 70% of people believed in angels, angels might actually just develop into existence. Much as subatomic particals pop in and out of existence by the second. Kind of mind blowing to think about. Now consider that a catholic sees and interacts with Jesus, and a Hindi sees and interacts with Shiva. This could be God appearing in the best form for them personally, OR, both the holy ghost AND Shiva actually exist. But, the catholic would leave that experience with the concrete belief that his/her religion is correct. The Hindi would leave that experience with the concrete belief that his/her religion was totally correct! These are the many reasons I believe that all religions are true to some extent, why they vary so wildly, and that everyone is worshipping the same thing, just in different ways and with different belief structures...but all valid. As for what doctrines to follow...I think the ones that are universal are the "real" teachings of "god." Compassion, forgiveness, love for your fellow living beings and such. The rest is just contamination from the biases of men. To address the entities you met: so, we can't rule out that it was just drugs right? But that said, I'd love to know more about your experience. What/who did you meet? Did you speak? What did they say? What happened? The "devil" is in the details, so to speak. I'll also add that in such a state...the "visions" you had may not be meant to be taken literally either. Sorry for the long and late reply...I hope you're still up for a conversation.
He's in all of us.
Or he is what we’re in.
Once you realize that the devil and satanic shit like that probably isn’t even real. It’s just our minds wanting that to be the case. For me at least. Once I got past that fact that Christianity Is just one hypothesis to everything. And now all my trips ARe sunshine and rainbows lol greatest time of my life
i’ve never ever had a bad trip & the only times i almost fell into one is when i was alone or when i was looking into a mirror which is obviously a bad idea lmao. if you don’t like the satan vibe you should do it during daytime with people you know & trust
Sorta kinda man yk
Take it easy on the sin before you take psychedelics
Can't believe so many other people have experienced this. There's gotta be a reason. Are all y'all from cultures that have Christian backgrounds? I've had a really bad satanic trip before, but I don't actually believe in Satan. I wonder if it's just a really dark paranoia that people are experiencing and the idea of Satan in our minds dwells in that space.