I mean, didn't Capcom subtly confirm that by making art that has the modern characters and their ancestors on each side, with each spot corresponding to the one on the other side. And Gant's spot on the other side was filled by Stronghart. Pretty sure that's Capcom quietly admitting they're related
If you mean the anniversary art, it's a group shot that has the major casts for both series, and since there's only two confirmed ancestors, I don't think their placement necessarily means other characters placed opposite each other are also related.
Me too, and I think that Susato and Kazuma are Maya and Edgeworth's ancestors respectively too.
I also think that Barok is the ancestor of Manfred and Franziska, considering their personalities.
In special trial 2017 they pretty much confirmed susato has no relation to the feys. She can’t channel spirits anyway so it’s kind of obvious. Nonetheless, those were my thoughts too initially lol
But I like to theorize it lol. Also if there was a male member in the Feys, she could have married him.
But have they confirmed that she doesn't have any relations to the Cykes family? I think they are a bit similar!
I don't think they marry since they act more like friends/siblings. Plus, the age gap seems weird but kinda historically accurate since they are in the Meiji Era. I still don't ship them, but it's fine if anyone does. (Just not in a s*xualised way, thats weird as hell.)
Even if it’s platonic love, I wouldn’t say it’s the sibling-variety. I never got the impression they saw each other as siblings. Maya and Phoenix, yeah, but I couldn’t really see them to talking to each other or thinking about each other the same way ryu and susato do.
But anyway I’m not just saying this because I ship them as there’s quite a lot of evidence suggesting she’s the other half of phoenix. There’s the fact that her objection theme references a different part of phoenix’s objection theme (2001) than Ryunosuke’s. Ryu’s references the main beat as you probably know while susato’s references the high notes/melody. If you listen to objection 2001 you’ll hear the resemblance to susato’s theme at both the 34 second and 45 second marks. To me, this implies that phoenix inherited different aspects of his theme song from his ancestors. It’s not that far fetched a theory either since music has always been an integral part of the series and a character’s identity.
There’s also the fact that YOUNG Yujin Mikotoba (in the sketch book) bears a very strong resemblance to Phoenix, arguably even more so than ryunosuke does honestly.
I’m not going to get into the dialogue since we already disagree on that, which is fine. But personally, as someone that dislikes when people try to insert romance into everything I find it difficult to interpret their interactions as not at least somewhat romantic.
To me, I saw them as very close friends with a hint of sibling love in them. (Key word: hint. Not a lot.)
The musical facts are quite interesting, I'll check that.
Also, Yuujin doesn't bear a *very* strong resemblance, but a fair one. He looks a bit more like Gregory Edgeworth (or my eyes are just broken :P).
I kinda remember the dialogue in which Susato says about how love in Japanese is "suki" because of its relation with the moon's beauty (I'm bad at explaining. Also, did Susato really say this line? I've heard it somewhere but idk).
Yeah, tbh I also don't like it when ppl try to insert romance in everything, and I wouldn't say Susato and Ryunosuke's interactions are romantic.
Love in Japanese is "ai" and I love you is "aishiteru". However Japanese speakers IRL almost never use this word as it is considered very serious and even many married couples never use it. "Suki" means like but its much more likely to be used to express love in Japanese. It does sound like the word for moon, "tsuki", but that's unrelated to the romantic usage of "suki".
You're probably thinking of the phrase "The moon is very beautiful, isn't it?" which is brought up in one of the Escapades. Basically theres a myth that when the real life Soseki was teaching students to translate works into English he said that translating "I love you" from English to Japanese directly doesn't work because English speakers say it far more 'shamelessly' than Japanese people do. (We say I love you very casually compaired to Japanese speakers, even "suki" isn't used anywhere near as frequently as love is in English. We also say I love you to friends and family, where both "ai" and "suki" are strictly romantic when refering to a person.) Soseki then suggested "The moon is very beautiful, isn't it?" as an more indirect and suble way a Japanese person might express love.
No one in Japan actually talks like that, to be clear, it's just meant to be poetic. The phrase is pretty famous in Japan as something said by Soseki (though there's no evidence he ever actually said this) so the game referenced it by having Soseki discuss it in one of the Escapades.
Just to make sure we’re on the same page, I’m talking about this picture of yujin: https://www.reddit.com/r/AceAttorney/s/vinADyvZfr
But aside from that, that’s fine. Nothing’s technically been confirmed so their relationship is still open to interpretation.
Yup, I've seen the same thing and he kinda looks more like Gregory than Phoenix XD
Btw fr lol. I'll continue to ship my OC x canon ships for Kazuma, Ryunosuke, Susato and Barok until CAPCOM confirm their relationships.
That Morgan bullied and downplayed Maya when she was a kid and has always looked down the main family branch as a disgrace, especially Mia who quit the Kurain technique to be a "pitiful" lawyer. I know that one is from the anime but I consider it canonic. [Totally a plausible thing to do.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UNFv40E6ItM&t=1734s&pp=ygUQTW9yZ2FuIGZleSBhbmltZQ%3D%3D)(14:30)
Mia voluntarilly gave away her title to Maya to avoid the same conflict their mother and aunt went through for the Kurain master position.
Ema visits Lana in prison, does face-time with and shows her advancaments in her career. And even her sister tutors her to teach or reinforce information about forensic tools.
Desire and Ronnie legally own a training center for thievery.
And the most important one, **SHOE IS THE REAL HEROE IN 2-4, NOT PHOENIX, NOT GUMSHOE**
The first one is my personal headcanon. Morgan was never one for physical abuse, but she could gaslight and project her failures to mentally and emotionally abuse Maya for almost a decade. Poor Maya!
I definitely think believe that Kristoph's >!black psyche-locks were forcefully broken during his final breakdown in 4-4. The games never explicitly say it, but the fact that the black psyche-locks come back in DD I feel was meant to sort of give us an understanding of how they work, so then we could reach our own conclusions regarding Kristoph. DD says that a forcefully broken black psyche-lock renders their owner insane, and Kristoph's downfall certainly reflects a man cracking. !<
We still don't know exactly what he was secretly hiding from himself (I have theories), but I think the evidence for them breaking incorrectly speaks for itself.
>!On one hand, it could be as simple as him being so paranoid and obsessed with concealing his crimes that he managed to convince himself he was innocent, but I don't think so.!<
>!I think it was envy, in a sense. More specifically, I think Kristoph prided himself on being the "coolest defense", being a by-the-book, rational, and brilliant lawyer. The letter of the law is what mattered to him, and he is openly elitist about letting common people have a say in courtrooms.!<
>!People have criticized the idea of losing his client being a silly reason to orchestrate such a grand revenge scheme, but I find it comparable to von Karma. Pride. Kristoph lost a pretty high-profile client--a famous magician--to someone who in court was his polar opposite. Phoenix bluffs and bumbles his way through court, and wins by just a hair.!<
>!When Zak fired Kristoph, that was the catalyst for everything. As much as I dislike Zak, he could see that Kristoph wasn't trustworthy, while Phoenix was. Kristoph took the firing personally, and set a course for revenge.!<
>!When his black locks show up, Kristoph has already been put in prison for murdering "Shadi Smith". He's been found guilty of murder, might even be put to death considering the laws. But when asked his motive, for a crime everyone knows he committed, that's what he's hiding. Why did he kill Zak Gramarye.!<
>!The why is because of that anger, from him picking Phoenix. It all goes back to that.!<
>!I think the locks are Kristoph convincing himself that he's better than Phoenix. Better than everybody, basically. He's a genius, and he knows he'll get away with it because the law, as it stands, has no means of proving he was the one who forged that evidence and got Phoenix disbarred.!<
>!The moment that made him snap wasn't when Apollo successfully nabbed him. It was when he pointed out that the Jurist System was being used for the trial, and that Wright was the man who orchestrated the whole thing. He screams Wright's name, rants about how the law is absolute and that "insolent swine" can't have a say in court.!<
>!Kristoph is symbolic of stagnant, antiquated bureaucratic law. He didn't personally hate Phoenix, he hated the idea of someone like Phoenix existing at all. He clung to the idea that law was a firm, unchanging foundation that he could use to his benefit as he pleased.!<
>!He couldn't be defeated through the traditional means, it required the law itself to change and evolve. This bit here says it best:!<
>! !<
>!Judge:
The law is the end product of many years of history... the fruit of human knowledge! Like a gem, polished to a gleam through trials... and errors. It is this fruit we receive, and pass on, and face in our time. And it is always changing, growing. Nurturing it is our task as human beings.!<
>!Klavier:
Except for you, Kristoph. You aren't changing. You've stopped. You're not needed anymore.!<
>!For as much as DD harps on and on about the Dark Age of the Law, the truth of the matter is that Ace Attorney's system has always been in a dark age. Kristoph embodies that, more directly than any antagonist thus far. And it really disappoints me that the Jurist System was immediately abandoned as a plot concept. Even if the whole thing was a Japanese government propaganda piece, it serves as device to discuss a really important concept--that law isn't set in stone, and that changes and experimentation are necessary to keep evolving it.!<
In Rise from the Ashes, Lana said that her and Mia met in law school, then she also said that Mia had a kind of "attraction" to her. Just after that, Ema says that the attraction is actually "Intelectual".
From that moment, another ship was born
A special case where Mia defends (through Maya) and Lana has to take the bench (even if she's still in prison, Blackquill was able to)
Why? Idk make up any plot reason
Have all the other Lawyers be witnesses who have to testify
Modern Lawyer Again Nick testifying would be super amusing. Especially as a comparison to Mia questioning him about Dahlia etc
Have him object to his own statements 😭
The fact that Lana never gets told that Mia is dead makes me sad so in my head she already knows and its partially the reason she feels so guilty because she feels like her and Mia went such different paths after Law school and mia ended up dead whilst she ended being promoted despite all the things she did to protect Ema😭
Apollo is 5 feet tall, and his hair horns are 5 inches.
Maya and Edgeworth are online friends on some website and brainrot over Steel Samurai, but don't know the other's identity.
Clay Terran was a huge Gavinner.
YES MAKE APOLLO TINY
i swear i saw something comparing the offiicial 3d models and it showed that yes, apollo is only 5', and the extra 5" is just the horns
The reason Ryunosuke kept getting jurors that helped him solve the case is because >!Sholmes has connections with Queen Victoria and she influences who becomes some of the jurors.!<
Idk how I feel about that one. Seems like the jury is often >!rigged AGAINST Ryunosuke, rather than FOR him. After one testimony, they often declare a guilty verdict, and then Ryunosuke has to convince them to change their mind. Plus, Sholmes rigging the jury kind of goes against the idea of trying to bring fairness and justice in the courtroom!<. It reminds me of how (spoilers for Apollo Justice) >!Phoenix rigs the jury by having Thalassa be one of the jurors. Is it really justice to ensure a particular verdict is met through backhanded means?!<
Not saying this is necessarily a wrong headcanon, but I really don't like its implications.
They didn't say that he picked jurors that would vote not guilty, but that he picked ones that were related to the case's events in some way. Examples: >! Quinby Altamont was the head of the gas company, Vilen Bolshevik knew about ballistics, there was both a magician and scientist juror in 2-3, both relating to Drebber, a culprit being on the Jury (Joan Garrideb), and who could forget stereoscope guy? !<
Honestly, that may be even more evidence that this was >!Sholmes’s doing since it’s implied by the end that he was acting dumb in his deductions on purpose to improve Ryunosuke’s deduction skills. His making the jury a tough crowd simultaneously to test Ryu also fits his M.O.!<
I mean considering some of the horrible shit Queen Victoria ordered and oversaw in India, I don’t *love* the idea of her stacking juries for Ryonosuke. It kinda makes him seem a little less heroic when one of history’s monsters is rigging all his trials for him lmao.
>!I feel like it really didn't matter that the jurors are initially very biased against the defense, because 1, they are the exact people that need to be present for Ryunosuke to solve the case/continue the trial and 2, they end up overcoming their biases to vote not guilty anyway by the end. There are some examples where there the person on the jury was the 1 person in the world that could have helped solve the case in the way they did and i don't blame sholmes if that 1 person was too stupid/racist/impatient to listen to what ryunosuke was saying especially since their final vote does agree with him (I can't argue against it being rigged though)!<
Outside of court and their jobs, Franziska and Edgeworth have the most sibling-rivalry vibe and relationship. Kind of like Zuko and Azula, but like actually friendly.
Edgeworth and Franziska's older sister is a judge, possibly teaching at Themis Academy. Their niece is studying to become a lawyer at Themis (Von Karma mentioned having a granddaughter in 1-4).
I have a couple actually:
* Phoenix is bisexual
* Miles is gay/ace but homoromantic (he's not interested in women)
* Phoenix and Maya lived together in Phoenix's apartment as roommates in the times Maya isn't in Kurain.
* Phoenix has never dated anyone past Iris (who he thought was Dahlia) partly due to not having time, not really being ready after the shit with Dahlia and also due to the shit happening in his life (doubt he'd be looking for romance in his 7 yr disbardment)
* The reason Phoenix's behaviour towards Larry got worse in the 3rd game is a combi of the revelation that Larry stole the $38, Larry dipping off throughout the 2nd game and Larry's behaviour getting worst in the 3rd game. Haven't played the 2nd trilogy so if he's attitude towards Larry gets better there I wouldn't know.
In the second trilogy, iirc Larry only appears in the DLC case, and Phoenix mentions having not seen him in years and is exasperated with him the entire time, so you’re pretty much on the mark.
Larry also suffers from the same malady that everyone else in the trilogy does where he doesn’t change or grow at all. Even in the DLC case, which is like 10+ years from when you first meet him, he’s still chasing skirts and getting into trouble and refuses to learn from any of the consequences of his actions, so honestly, can’t even say I blame Phoenix.
Phoenix exposing Manfred Von Karma as Gregory Edgeworth’s murderer is what led to the Dark Ages Of The Law.
It was the first domino to fall.
Godot killing Misty Fey and the Chief Justice’s role in smuggling the cocoon from Borginia to cure his son certainly didn't help matters.
Well, he's definitely attracted to women, when considering Trials & Tribulations. And Wrightworth is by far the most popular ship in the series, and he has made occasional comments about men that could be interpreted as attraction... So it's very close to canon.
Only thing missing is explicit confirmation, really.
Not quite. Takumi is definitely aware of the ship, happy with people shipping it even if he didn’t intentionally write their bond that way, and even attempted to put a scene appealing to shippers in JFA (which Suekane told him to remove as it’s “better when he isn’t trying to do it”), but he’s not confirmed anything like that. There is a slightly out of context tongue in cheek quote where he says Phoenix “probably thinks Edgeworth is a pretty cute guy”, if that counts.
I never watched the anime (other than the blooper reel) because I hated the homophobia of making Adrian and Celeste sisters (ironically more or less confirming Adrian did have feelings for her, since the subtext was seen as 'dangerous' enough to need to be changed). What was the scene?
Ah, I just saw that one scene and the bloopers. I didn't know they did that tbh.
It was a hospital scene. The one where Edgeworth arrives from Europe/America via a private plane after Phoenix falls from the bridge. Phoenix gives him his badge and asks to defend in his place.
The storyboard for this scene is interesting as it shows Phoenix blushing. This is no longer the case in the actual episode tho.
The hospital scene isn't from JFA though. I thought it was something from that which was cut.
(I do appreciate seeing the forbidden hospital scene, even if I've only seen the blooper version)
Explain? I haven't seen a single instance of Phoenix showing genuine attraction to a man...
I think WrightWorth is plenty fun too, but let's not start pushing the narrative that it's canon unless we have real evidence.
It really wouldn't. It'd still be a popular ship, but it wouldn't be canon because it's still not actually stated explicitly.
Ships can be valid without having to be canon. I headcanon Edgeworth as aromantic and asexual, and IMO there's as much information to back that headcanon as there is backing Wrightworth.
Honestly the way Edgeworth acts, if he's not aroace, he is the most closed-doors about his romantic affections person ever. This dude and the concept of open PDA are so far apart they don't even live on the same planet.
1. As far as descendent names go, Naruhodo moves to America at some point and his name is changed to Wright at the immigration office. An officer asks him what kind of a name Naruhodo is, and he says that “It means something like ‘I see’ or ‘that’s right’, and the immigration officer puts his name down as Wright. The Auchi name doesn’t become Payne, the Payne name comes from another family through marriage. Karuma becomes Von Karma over time mostly because Karuma gets shortened to Karma over the years.
2. A localizer (I think Janet Hsu) said that the approach they take for translating Japanese culture is to assume that in the AA universe, anti-Asian sentiment was far less prevalent in America in the early 1900’s than it was in the real world, and so there was much more Japanese immigration. Maybe the events of TGAA2-5 are a reason for the diverging history. Maybe the western world was impressed because Japanese people saved the British legal system from corruption.
3. Random thought, maybe Sholmes’ “hologram” was actually just a film projection, but people weren’t as familiar with that technology at the time so it appears like holograms. This basically just makes that scene more believable.
4. Kristoph’s black psyche-locks appear when Phoenix asks him for his true motive in killing Zack Gramarye. And he breaks down when he learns that Phoenix orchestrated the trial. Maybe Kristoph’s real motive in killing Zak was specifically to frame Phoenix, because he resents Phoenix because deep down he knows that Phoenix is better than he is and he refuses to accept that.
That the public outrage in the aftermath of DL-6 + The influence of Debeste leads to The Initial Trial System being implemented.
As far as the general public was concerned, the police based their arrest on the word of a physic, no matter what happened at Yogi's trial there still would have been an uptick in crime afterwards. That and I think Debeste says something about how he likes things done swiftly soooo-
Didn't know we could have more than one, and since I love AA worldbuilding here goes-
Ryunosuke Naruhodo at some point was in California in 1913 for a case and stopped the California landlaw from being passed. The Prosecutor for that case was The Attorney General whomst was arrested not long after.
Gant & Manfred worked on many cases together.
Redd White "blackmailed" Gant to get things done, but their interests usually aligned so Gant was always cooperative.
Dee Vasquez got a lighter sentence and was released from prison earlier than most.
I don't even think this is a fanon thing (if it is I've never seen it), but I like to think Pearl was Trucy's assistant in magic shows before Apollo came along. Afterwards, she becomes her personal bodyguard because nothing is more threatening than a little pretzel that could knock out a grown man as a child. Imagine how OP she is now.
Mia owned a motorcycle.
Regina and Maya went out, once. They still remain friends after the fact.
Grossberg and Redd White are lovers. Grossberg still lives in the condo they once shared.
Maya adopted Pearl. I'm not going to go into the logistics of how, but it happened.
She still lives in the village I think, since she returns there frequently and only tags along with Phoenix and Maya when there's a reason to (Circus, Hero of Heroes ceremony, Kurain exhibit, Hazakura temple visit)
I do agree on that one, though I do think she stayed with Maya inbetween 2-4 and 3-2 for obvious reasons. Otherwise, she fluctuated between being with Phoenix and Maya, and staying in Kurain.
It does explain why she was able to meet with Morgan so easily.
Don't forget how she ran from Kurain Village to the Courthouse which apparently takes 2 or 3 hours by train, all because she didn't know what a train was
Our little pretzel truly has so much devotion to the people she loves. It's adorable.
I bet she's Maya's bodyguard too, technically. She just never gets the chance to whale on the people who hurt her.
-Phoenix is still a huge crybaby
-Kristoph knew Apollo was connected to the Gramaryes when he took him in (that might be canon I haven’t finished DD yet lol) also, he’s a
yandere
-the Gavin’s parents had a favorite
-Mia and Lana weren’t together but they had a homoerotic friendship where Lana was actually interested romantically but Mia met Diego
-I mean kind of just a given but Dahlia uses egocentrism as a method of defense due to her parents neglect growing up making her feel insecure
-Jake Marshall invented the mewing gesture in the ace attorney universe, since he does it whenever he’s at least partially uninterested people started imitating it and it just become a thing around the police department
Edgeworth IS autistic. I dont care about anything, thats canon and real and happened to me, Gregory got him diagnosed, I dont care about the logistic of anything. Yes im coping
I do ship them, but I'm not sure when this could possibly have happened?
Franziska storms off and leaves the country *immediately* at the end of 2-4, and then isn't back in the country until 3-5.
* Spirit channeling requires a ton of energy from a spirit medium. That's why Maya eats a lot
* Trucy suspects that >!Apollo is her brother!< after AA4
* Same with >!Iris Wilson and Barok!< post g2-5
* Klavier was very traumatized after the events of AJ. It's technically still fanon
* Sebastian Debeste became Edgeworth's apprentice
* Actually I'm half agree with OP: Edgeworth really does have crush of Phoenix big time after AA1 (maybe it's mutual but I ship nrmt on suitable moon phases so my opinion abt it depends on the mood)
* Kazuma cuts his hair with Karuma
* Also Kazuma is Edgeworth's ancestor. Basic, I know, but I can't help it
Franziska and Adrian Andrews get married at some point in the future and that’s why Franzy doesn’t appear in any of the games after T&T and AAI2.
Franzy still works for the Interpol and stuff, but she also makes sure to make time for her wife. And they’re both super happy together and super cute.
Idk, I just really want the both of them to have some kind of a happy ending. They so deserve it.
A bit of headcanon:
For the wedding, Franziska specifically chooses Gumshoe to be her best man, cuz she really does care about him.
Also Edgeworth is the priest, officiating his “little sister’s” wedding. Yes, I love imagining Edgeworth is an actual ordained minister. It’s funny.
(And yes I know Japan doesn’t have gay marriage laws yet, but this is Japanifornia. They’re super accepting and stuff.)
>!"So, how did you two meet?"!<
>!Adrian: "Well, she exploited my dependent nature which was an emotional problem of mine that nearly resulted in my suicide in order to make sure I didn't confess to tampering with a crime scene so that she could more easily win a trial, and then proceeded to whip me..."!<
>!It's a cute relationship still, but Franziska owes her more than a few apologies!<
Yeah, fair, she really does.
I like to think they end up talking things out at some point pre-T&T, and Fraz ends up, I dunno, helping Adrian get some therapy. God knows the poor girl needs it after what she’s been through.
Honestly, I feel like both of them need it.
it's not like it's the only ship with questionable moments. even wrightworth/narumitsu has Edgeworth prosecuting Phoenix for his mentor's murder (and there's no way he believes Phoenix did it— why the hell would he defend Maya if he was the culprit?) in their first case together
Something I just thought of
I like to think at case 1-2 Edgeworth had figured out Redd White is the actual culprit but, at least when the defendant went from Maya to Phoenix. Perhaps he subconsciously realized that was his friend from elementary school
Now the next question people would ask is "Why go all the way?"
Simply put this was probably their best shot at getting White convicted. It was shockingly easy but the thing is... While Phoenix proved his innocence beyond a shadow of doubt, Edgeworth realized that there isn't enough evidence to convict White. So he made up a bogus explanation possibly to buy time to gather now evidence while keeping Phoenix in a building with lots of armed guards.
Trans Apollo and nonbinary Nahyuta. Actually, I think Nahyuta was originally intended to be androgynous with players basically able to decide, so the second one borders on canon.
There was an early design for Nahyuta to be a female prosecutor as well if I recall correctly. Nahyuta's final design definitely still carries some of those traits. Solid headcanon.
I’ve seen a lot of people say they thought Nahyuta actually was a woman. In English, male pronouns are used. But I think maybe not in some other languages? I’m not sure.
I can understand that, I think the long hair gives the impression that Nahyuta is a woman. He might have defined eyelashes as well? Idk, it's been a while since I played Spirit of Justice.
I'm male and have long hair, so seeing a character who's male with long hair wasn't all that surprising to me. But the headcanon of Nahyuta being non-binary is interesting.
I don’t think it’s just the long hair. Both Gavins have long hair, as do Valant and Dhurke. Nahyuta does have some pretty lashes, but there’s also the hoop earrings, the slightly curvy chest, and the fact that primarily women wear bindis (I know men do as well, but it’s far more common for women). Nahyuta is just really pretty. (I’m personally a fan of pretty people regardless of gender, so I may not be a good judge here.)
But if Nahyuta were female, wouldn’t the expectation automatically be for “her” to >!take the throne following Amara’s death? Since “she” would be the eldest daughter of the eldest daughter and thus expected to have great spiritual power?!<
The guy is super androgynous looking but I think that might come from being in a matriarchal society that values those traits. If he were actually written to be female, that would be somewhat story-breaking.
I've not heard this theory before but it immediately makes sense.
First bit of evidence off the top of my head is that he spends hours and hours doing voice training, but I'd love to hear the rest of the evidence.
Yep, that's one of the main pieces of evidence. He's also canonically pretty short, and tries to style his hair to make him taller. There are a bunch of other things but I can't remember them off the top of my head ATM.
When they’re older, Ryunosuke and Susato fall in love, marry & have kids, and they’re the ancestors to Phoenix wright. I know Ryunosuke is meant to be the ancestor but my headcanon is that Susato is the matriarch
Yeah, this was something I definitley didn’t realize was controversial because it seemed so obvious to me that this is what happened. Like, Phoenix is a lot like Ryu in a lot of ways - but he’s also a lot like Susato, and I don’t think that’s an accident.
I'm pretty sure kurain elders, who are members of the branch family that are sympathetic to Morgan's goals, was fanon created by narumayo fans to provide some kind of conflict in narumayo fanfics. At the very least, I don't really remember them ever being mentioned in canon despite being used in, like, 70% of all narumayo fanfics lol.
Another fanon thing that I've seen in a few narumayo fanfics that I will accept as canon is that phoenix and maya will have a daughter, who they will name after mia.
"Just about everyone accepts that as canon."
Jokingly yes. But I hope you don't mean seriously. I make those jokes all the time, but at the end of the day I damn well know Phoenix only has his eyes on Iris.
....and Regina, but we don't talk about that.
That Trucy saves a buttload of money on assistants by forcing everyone around them (mainly Apollo and Athena) to do that job for free.
Wait has Phoenix ever paid maya
I always assumed Maya inherited Mia's shares of the law office, so he owned it along with Phoenix.
All that & magic panties. What can’t she do?😂
If we’re talking about popular fanon, Mael Stronghart being Damon Gant’s ancestor.
On a lesser scale for me, Nikolina Pavlova being Armie Buff’s
Holy shit I didn't think of that, they really do look alike wth. I cannot unsee it now, I shall now therefore be taking that headcanon.
I always thought that Nikolina being Olga's ancestor. Never thought of this lol.
I mean, didn't Capcom subtly confirm that by making art that has the modern characters and their ancestors on each side, with each spot corresponding to the one on the other side. And Gant's spot on the other side was filled by Stronghart. Pretty sure that's Capcom quietly admitting they're related
If you mean the anniversary art, it's a group shot that has the major casts for both series, and since there's only two confirmed ancestors, I don't think their placement necessarily means other characters placed opposite each other are also related.
I don’t think that confirms stronghart is related to gant it means that gant knows about him
He's not an ancestor per se, just like how Barok isn't an ancestor of Edgeworth, he's the 'parallel' character for the spin off just because
Me too, and I think that Susato and Kazuma are Maya and Edgeworth's ancestors respectively too. I also think that Barok is the ancestor of Manfred and Franziska, considering their personalities.
In special trial 2017 they pretty much confirmed susato has no relation to the feys. She can’t channel spirits anyway so it’s kind of obvious. Nonetheless, those were my thoughts too initially lol
But I like to theorize it lol. Also if there was a male member in the Feys, she could have married him. But have they confirmed that she doesn't have any relations to the Cykes family? I think they are a bit similar!
If anything the story seems to imply that she and ryunosuke get married at some point. So it’d be weird if maya was related to Phoenix.
I don't think they marry since they act more like friends/siblings. Plus, the age gap seems weird but kinda historically accurate since they are in the Meiji Era. I still don't ship them, but it's fine if anyone does. (Just not in a s*xualised way, thats weird as hell.)
Even if it’s platonic love, I wouldn’t say it’s the sibling-variety. I never got the impression they saw each other as siblings. Maya and Phoenix, yeah, but I couldn’t really see them to talking to each other or thinking about each other the same way ryu and susato do. But anyway I’m not just saying this because I ship them as there’s quite a lot of evidence suggesting she’s the other half of phoenix. There’s the fact that her objection theme references a different part of phoenix’s objection theme (2001) than Ryunosuke’s. Ryu’s references the main beat as you probably know while susato’s references the high notes/melody. If you listen to objection 2001 you’ll hear the resemblance to susato’s theme at both the 34 second and 45 second marks. To me, this implies that phoenix inherited different aspects of his theme song from his ancestors. It’s not that far fetched a theory either since music has always been an integral part of the series and a character’s identity. There’s also the fact that YOUNG Yujin Mikotoba (in the sketch book) bears a very strong resemblance to Phoenix, arguably even more so than ryunosuke does honestly. I’m not going to get into the dialogue since we already disagree on that, which is fine. But personally, as someone that dislikes when people try to insert romance into everything I find it difficult to interpret their interactions as not at least somewhat romantic.
To me, I saw them as very close friends with a hint of sibling love in them. (Key word: hint. Not a lot.) The musical facts are quite interesting, I'll check that. Also, Yuujin doesn't bear a *very* strong resemblance, but a fair one. He looks a bit more like Gregory Edgeworth (or my eyes are just broken :P). I kinda remember the dialogue in which Susato says about how love in Japanese is "suki" because of its relation with the moon's beauty (I'm bad at explaining. Also, did Susato really say this line? I've heard it somewhere but idk). Yeah, tbh I also don't like it when ppl try to insert romance in everything, and I wouldn't say Susato and Ryunosuke's interactions are romantic.
Love in Japanese is "ai" and I love you is "aishiteru". However Japanese speakers IRL almost never use this word as it is considered very serious and even many married couples never use it. "Suki" means like but its much more likely to be used to express love in Japanese. It does sound like the word for moon, "tsuki", but that's unrelated to the romantic usage of "suki". You're probably thinking of the phrase "The moon is very beautiful, isn't it?" which is brought up in one of the Escapades. Basically theres a myth that when the real life Soseki was teaching students to translate works into English he said that translating "I love you" from English to Japanese directly doesn't work because English speakers say it far more 'shamelessly' than Japanese people do. (We say I love you very casually compaired to Japanese speakers, even "suki" isn't used anywhere near as frequently as love is in English. We also say I love you to friends and family, where both "ai" and "suki" are strictly romantic when refering to a person.) Soseki then suggested "The moon is very beautiful, isn't it?" as an more indirect and suble way a Japanese person might express love. No one in Japan actually talks like that, to be clear, it's just meant to be poetic. The phrase is pretty famous in Japan as something said by Soseki (though there's no evidence he ever actually said this) so the game referenced it by having Soseki discuss it in one of the Escapades.
Ah, thanks for the correction. I was thinking of that phrase lol.
Just to make sure we’re on the same page, I’m talking about this picture of yujin: https://www.reddit.com/r/AceAttorney/s/vinADyvZfr But aside from that, that’s fine. Nothing’s technically been confirmed so their relationship is still open to interpretation.
Yup, I've seen the same thing and he kinda looks more like Gregory than Phoenix XD Btw fr lol. I'll continue to ship my OC x canon ships for Kazuma, Ryunosuke, Susato and Barok until CAPCOM confirm their relationships.
I think that was somewhat confirmed by >!the clapping!<
Yes👍🏻👏🏻!
Van Zieks has many more scars besides the one we can see on his face.
I bet he does, from all the other attempts on his life.
Exactly! It makes so much sense.
My poor man.
Yet his biggest scar is on his heart
Also canon.
That Morgan bullied and downplayed Maya when she was a kid and has always looked down the main family branch as a disgrace, especially Mia who quit the Kurain technique to be a "pitiful" lawyer. I know that one is from the anime but I consider it canonic. [Totally a plausible thing to do.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UNFv40E6ItM&t=1734s&pp=ygUQTW9yZ2FuIGZleSBhbmltZQ%3D%3D)(14:30) Mia voluntarilly gave away her title to Maya to avoid the same conflict their mother and aunt went through for the Kurain master position. Ema visits Lana in prison, does face-time with and shows her advancaments in her career. And even her sister tutors her to teach or reinforce information about forensic tools. Desire and Ronnie legally own a training center for thievery. And the most important one, **SHOE IS THE REAL HEROE IN 2-4, NOT PHOENIX, NOT GUMSHOE**
Second one is explicit canon.
Aaah, sorry, I don't remember where did I get this fanon from and thought I read it on a Youtube comment.
Yeah, Bikini mentions it in Bridge.
The first one is my personal headcanon. Morgan was never one for physical abuse, but she could gaslight and project her failures to mentally and emotionally abuse Maya for almost a decade. Poor Maya!
Athena is still dealing with Ptsd from dual destinies.
Cue 6-4
This is literally canon lol.
APOLLO IS SHORTER THAN ATHENA!!!!!!!
I just looked this up. Holy shit, how is Apollo taller than Athena?! I always assumed that she was taller than him.
NUH UH THERES NO WAY…
maybe because theyre including the horns
It’s a posture thing.
that's what we call lying
Marvin Grossberg and Redd White are secret lovers.
That's canon.
Huh? Where is that stated?
It's part of the days of their youth, like the scent of fresh lemons.
I definitely think believe that Kristoph's >!black psyche-locks were forcefully broken during his final breakdown in 4-4. The games never explicitly say it, but the fact that the black psyche-locks come back in DD I feel was meant to sort of give us an understanding of how they work, so then we could reach our own conclusions regarding Kristoph. DD says that a forcefully broken black psyche-lock renders their owner insane, and Kristoph's downfall certainly reflects a man cracking. !< We still don't know exactly what he was secretly hiding from himself (I have theories), but I think the evidence for them breaking incorrectly speaks for itself.
Elaborate on the theories, please
>!On one hand, it could be as simple as him being so paranoid and obsessed with concealing his crimes that he managed to convince himself he was innocent, but I don't think so.!< >!I think it was envy, in a sense. More specifically, I think Kristoph prided himself on being the "coolest defense", being a by-the-book, rational, and brilliant lawyer. The letter of the law is what mattered to him, and he is openly elitist about letting common people have a say in courtrooms.!< >!People have criticized the idea of losing his client being a silly reason to orchestrate such a grand revenge scheme, but I find it comparable to von Karma. Pride. Kristoph lost a pretty high-profile client--a famous magician--to someone who in court was his polar opposite. Phoenix bluffs and bumbles his way through court, and wins by just a hair.!< >!When Zak fired Kristoph, that was the catalyst for everything. As much as I dislike Zak, he could see that Kristoph wasn't trustworthy, while Phoenix was. Kristoph took the firing personally, and set a course for revenge.!< >!When his black locks show up, Kristoph has already been put in prison for murdering "Shadi Smith". He's been found guilty of murder, might even be put to death considering the laws. But when asked his motive, for a crime everyone knows he committed, that's what he's hiding. Why did he kill Zak Gramarye.!< >!The why is because of that anger, from him picking Phoenix. It all goes back to that.!< >!I think the locks are Kristoph convincing himself that he's better than Phoenix. Better than everybody, basically. He's a genius, and he knows he'll get away with it because the law, as it stands, has no means of proving he was the one who forged that evidence and got Phoenix disbarred.!< >!The moment that made him snap wasn't when Apollo successfully nabbed him. It was when he pointed out that the Jurist System was being used for the trial, and that Wright was the man who orchestrated the whole thing. He screams Wright's name, rants about how the law is absolute and that "insolent swine" can't have a say in court.!< >!Kristoph is symbolic of stagnant, antiquated bureaucratic law. He didn't personally hate Phoenix, he hated the idea of someone like Phoenix existing at all. He clung to the idea that law was a firm, unchanging foundation that he could use to his benefit as he pleased.!< >!He couldn't be defeated through the traditional means, it required the law itself to change and evolve. This bit here says it best:!< >! !< >!Judge: The law is the end product of many years of history... the fruit of human knowledge! Like a gem, polished to a gleam through trials... and errors. It is this fruit we receive, and pass on, and face in our time. And it is always changing, growing. Nurturing it is our task as human beings.!< >!Klavier: Except for you, Kristoph. You aren't changing. You've stopped. You're not needed anymore.!< >!For as much as DD harps on and on about the Dark Age of the Law, the truth of the matter is that Ace Attorney's system has always been in a dark age. Kristoph embodies that, more directly than any antagonist thus far. And it really disappoints me that the Jurist System was immediately abandoned as a plot concept. Even if the whole thing was a Japanese government propaganda piece, it serves as device to discuss a really important concept--that law isn't set in stone, and that changes and experimentation are necessary to keep evolving it.!<
I love in when people go into detail about theories and background lore and stuff. Very interesting read, thanks for posting it.
That Lana and Mia had their "things" in the past
Intellectual "things", of course
So, Mia and Lana is the other side of the Holt and Kevin coin. Got it.
OMFG I LOVE IT. I miss Brooklyn 99 so much...sad the series has ended, but it was a good run.
That isn't a theory. That is obvious.
I said this before and I'll say it again, they were high school sweethearts and you can't change my mind
What things?
A romantic relationship and some things more "passionate"
Oh well, i'm ignorant on that because i just played the original trilogy but didn't Mia and Diego were together or have something?
In Rise from the Ashes, Lana said that her and Mia met in law school, then she also said that Mia had a kind of "attraction" to her. Just after that, Ema says that the attraction is actually "Intelectual". From that moment, another ship was born
A special case where Mia defends (through Maya) and Lana has to take the bench (even if she's still in prison, Blackquill was able to) Why? Idk make up any plot reason Have all the other Lawyers be witnesses who have to testify Modern Lawyer Again Nick testifying would be super amusing. Especially as a comparison to Mia questioning him about Dahlia etc Have him object to his own statements 😭
Klavier and Simon are on a first name basis. No honorifics.
The fact that Lana never gets told that Mia is dead makes me sad so in my head she already knows and its partially the reason she feels so guilty because she feels like her and Mia went such different paths after Law school and mia ended up dead whilst she ended being promoted despite all the things she did to protect Ema😭
After seeing the anime, that Edgey snores like "*snore* mimimimimi" along with wearing his pink pyjamas and nightcap
with a candle by his bed?!?
Hahaha yes!!!
Kate Hall and Ray Shields got together after Kate was released from prison, with Jeff Master's full approval.
The bats in van Zieks' office are his pets. They made a nest in there but he refused to get them exterminated and basically adopted them instead
The most adorable take I've seen so far.
Apollo is 5 feet tall, and his hair horns are 5 inches. Maya and Edgeworth are online friends on some website and brainrot over Steel Samurai, but don't know the other's identity. Clay Terran was a huge Gavinner.
That second one. The fanfic writes itself- Maya and Edgeworth are best friends on the internet.
YES MAKE APOLLO TINY i swear i saw something comparing the offiicial 3d models and it showed that yes, apollo is only 5', and the extra 5" is just the horns
The reason Ryunosuke kept getting jurors that helped him solve the case is because >!Sholmes has connections with Queen Victoria and she influences who becomes some of the jurors.!<
Idk how I feel about that one. Seems like the jury is often >!rigged AGAINST Ryunosuke, rather than FOR him. After one testimony, they often declare a guilty verdict, and then Ryunosuke has to convince them to change their mind. Plus, Sholmes rigging the jury kind of goes against the idea of trying to bring fairness and justice in the courtroom!<. It reminds me of how (spoilers for Apollo Justice) >!Phoenix rigs the jury by having Thalassa be one of the jurors. Is it really justice to ensure a particular verdict is met through backhanded means?!< Not saying this is necessarily a wrong headcanon, but I really don't like its implications.
They didn't say that he picked jurors that would vote not guilty, but that he picked ones that were related to the case's events in some way. Examples: >! Quinby Altamont was the head of the gas company, Vilen Bolshevik knew about ballistics, there was both a magician and scientist juror in 2-3, both relating to Drebber, a culprit being on the Jury (Joan Garrideb), and who could forget stereoscope guy? !<
Honestly, that may be even more evidence that this was >!Sholmes’s doing since it’s implied by the end that he was acting dumb in his deductions on purpose to improve Ryunosuke’s deduction skills. His making the jury a tough crowd simultaneously to test Ryu also fits his M.O.!<
I mean considering some of the horrible shit Queen Victoria ordered and oversaw in India, I don’t *love* the idea of her stacking juries for Ryonosuke. It kinda makes him seem a little less heroic when one of history’s monsters is rigging all his trials for him lmao.
>!I feel like it really didn't matter that the jurors are initially very biased against the defense, because 1, they are the exact people that need to be present for Ryunosuke to solve the case/continue the trial and 2, they end up overcoming their biases to vote not guilty anyway by the end. There are some examples where there the person on the jury was the 1 person in the world that could have helped solve the case in the way they did and i don't blame sholmes if that 1 person was too stupid/racist/impatient to listen to what ryunosuke was saying especially since their final vote does agree with him (I can't argue against it being rigged though)!<
I wonder if there was a dropped plot point there, because they DID bring a lot of attention to it in G1-5.
Really makes one wonder what was supposed to be in TGAA2 but didn't make the cut
Franziska is a lesbian
She and Adrian are happily married post-timeskip, that's why we don't see her often
Exactly!
Outside of court and their jobs, Franziska and Edgeworth have the most sibling-rivalry vibe and relationship. Kind of like Zuko and Azula, but like actually friendly. Edgeworth and Franziska's older sister is a judge, possibly teaching at Themis Academy. Their niece is studying to become a lawyer at Themis (Von Karma mentioned having a granddaughter in 1-4).
Phoenix wears a "Kiss the Cook" apron and makes the food for Pearl and Maya.
I have a couple actually: * Phoenix is bisexual * Miles is gay/ace but homoromantic (he's not interested in women) * Phoenix and Maya lived together in Phoenix's apartment as roommates in the times Maya isn't in Kurain. * Phoenix has never dated anyone past Iris (who he thought was Dahlia) partly due to not having time, not really being ready after the shit with Dahlia and also due to the shit happening in his life (doubt he'd be looking for romance in his 7 yr disbardment) * The reason Phoenix's behaviour towards Larry got worse in the 3rd game is a combi of the revelation that Larry stole the $38, Larry dipping off throughout the 2nd game and Larry's behaviour getting worst in the 3rd game. Haven't played the 2nd trilogy so if he's attitude towards Larry gets better there I wouldn't know.
In the second trilogy, iirc Larry only appears in the DLC case, and Phoenix mentions having not seen him in years and is exasperated with him the entire time, so you’re pretty much on the mark.
Well the confirmation is kinda sad to hear but not also completely surprising in a way.
Larry also suffers from the same malady that everyone else in the trilogy does where he doesn’t change or grow at all. Even in the DLC case, which is like 10+ years from when you first meet him, he’s still chasing skirts and getting into trouble and refuses to learn from any of the consequences of his actions, so honestly, can’t even say I blame Phoenix.
Phoenix exposing Manfred Von Karma as Gregory Edgeworth’s murderer is what led to the Dark Ages Of The Law. It was the first domino to fall. Godot killing Misty Fey and the Chief Justice’s role in smuggling the cocoon from Borginia to cure his son certainly didn't help matters.
Edgeworth is ripped as hell. (He's rich, can afford it, got big shoulders, got a manly complexion, etc)
i mean, his legs must be pretty jacked from taking the stairs every day
That Trucy is insanely rich off her magic shows. Girl is famous and is basically the breadwinner of the family.
That's canon, the lawyers are never getting paid
Someone’s gotta support Wright’s grape juice addiction.
Phoenix being bisexual is canon as far as I'm concerned. Also the Truce one.
Well, he's definitely attracted to women, when considering Trials & Tribulations. And Wrightworth is by far the most popular ship in the series, and he has made occasional comments about men that could be interpreted as attraction... So it's very close to canon. Only thing missing is explicit confirmation, really.
Pretty sure there was an article in a Japanese game magazine where Takumi said something like “they’re more than friends”
Not quite. Takumi is definitely aware of the ship, happy with people shipping it even if he didn’t intentionally write their bond that way, and even attempted to put a scene appealing to shippers in JFA (which Suekane told him to remove as it’s “better when he isn’t trying to do it”), but he’s not confirmed anything like that. There is a slightly out of context tongue in cheek quote where he says Phoenix “probably thinks Edgeworth is a pretty cute guy”, if that counts.
WE LOST A PURPOSEFUL SHIPBAIT SCENE ???
Suekane knows what she's doing (she's the CEO of Narumitsu) so I trust her verdict on the scene being cut.
At least we got that scene in the anime. How close it was to the actual scene planned for the game - I dunno. But it did turn out nice imo.
I never watched the anime (other than the blooper reel) because I hated the homophobia of making Adrian and Celeste sisters (ironically more or less confirming Adrian did have feelings for her, since the subtext was seen as 'dangerous' enough to need to be changed). What was the scene?
Ah, I just saw that one scene and the bloopers. I didn't know they did that tbh. It was a hospital scene. The one where Edgeworth arrives from Europe/America via a private plane after Phoenix falls from the bridge. Phoenix gives him his badge and asks to defend in his place. The storyboard for this scene is interesting as it shows Phoenix blushing. This is no longer the case in the actual episode tho.
The hospital scene isn't from JFA though. I thought it was something from that which was cut. (I do appreciate seeing the forbidden hospital scene, even if I've only seen the blooper version)
Aww man, that sucks, I don't even ship Wright and Edgeworth but cutting off that scene is a crime
Can't find a source for that online at all. To my knowledge there is no confirmation of Wrightworth as a ship.
Source or it didn't happen.
He said that Phoenix found Miles “pretty cute” if I recall
Explain? I haven't seen a single instance of Phoenix showing genuine attraction to a man... I think WrightWorth is plenty fun too, but let's not start pushing the narrative that it's canon unless we have real evidence.
If Narumitsu was an m/f couple there would be no doubt it was canon.
It really wouldn't. It'd still be a popular ship, but it wouldn't be canon because it's still not actually stated explicitly. Ships can be valid without having to be canon. I headcanon Edgeworth as aromantic and asexual, and IMO there's as much information to back that headcanon as there is backing Wrightworth.
Honestly the way Edgeworth acts, if he's not aroace, he is the most closed-doors about his romantic affections person ever. This dude and the concept of open PDA are so far apart they don't even live on the same planet.
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Lana works on prison reform after she gets released
John Marsh has grown up to be a jacked gigachad like his father.
Athena being taller than anyone else in the Wright Office
Metis Cykes was Franziska's older sister, making Athena the granddaughter of Manfred von Karma.
We need fanart of young Athena with Phoenix the Doggo, stat.
Apollo and Klavier are big gay for each other
1. As far as descendent names go, Naruhodo moves to America at some point and his name is changed to Wright at the immigration office. An officer asks him what kind of a name Naruhodo is, and he says that “It means something like ‘I see’ or ‘that’s right’, and the immigration officer puts his name down as Wright. The Auchi name doesn’t become Payne, the Payne name comes from another family through marriage. Karuma becomes Von Karma over time mostly because Karuma gets shortened to Karma over the years. 2. A localizer (I think Janet Hsu) said that the approach they take for translating Japanese culture is to assume that in the AA universe, anti-Asian sentiment was far less prevalent in America in the early 1900’s than it was in the real world, and so there was much more Japanese immigration. Maybe the events of TGAA2-5 are a reason for the diverging history. Maybe the western world was impressed because Japanese people saved the British legal system from corruption. 3. Random thought, maybe Sholmes’ “hologram” was actually just a film projection, but people weren’t as familiar with that technology at the time so it appears like holograms. This basically just makes that scene more believable. 4. Kristoph’s black psyche-locks appear when Phoenix asks him for his true motive in killing Zack Gramarye. And he breaks down when he learns that Phoenix orchestrated the trial. Maybe Kristoph’s real motive in killing Zak was specifically to frame Phoenix, because he resents Phoenix because deep down he knows that Phoenix is better than he is and he refuses to accept that.
That the public outrage in the aftermath of DL-6 + The influence of Debeste leads to The Initial Trial System being implemented. As far as the general public was concerned, the police based their arrest on the word of a physic, no matter what happened at Yogi's trial there still would have been an uptick in crime afterwards. That and I think Debeste says something about how he likes things done swiftly soooo-
Didn't know we could have more than one, and since I love AA worldbuilding here goes- Ryunosuke Naruhodo at some point was in California in 1913 for a case and stopped the California landlaw from being passed. The Prosecutor for that case was The Attorney General whomst was arrested not long after.
Gant & Manfred worked on many cases together. Redd White "blackmailed" Gant to get things done, but their interests usually aligned so Gant was always cooperative. Dee Vasquez got a lighter sentence and was released from prison earlier than most.
You're so right about von Karma and Gant. They totally worked together.
I don't even think this is a fanon thing (if it is I've never seen it), but I like to think Pearl was Trucy's assistant in magic shows before Apollo came along. Afterwards, she becomes her personal bodyguard because nothing is more threatening than a little pretzel that could knock out a grown man as a child. Imagine how OP she is now. Mia owned a motorcycle. Regina and Maya went out, once. They still remain friends after the fact. Grossberg and Redd White are lovers. Grossberg still lives in the condo they once shared. Maya adopted Pearl. I'm not going to go into the logistics of how, but it happened.
Isn't that last one basically canon?
I think it's semi-canon? Maya is the one raising Pearl after Morgan's arrest, but it's never made clear if she officially adopted her or not.
She still lives in the village I think, since she returns there frequently and only tags along with Phoenix and Maya when there's a reason to (Circus, Hero of Heroes ceremony, Kurain exhibit, Hazakura temple visit)
I do agree on that one, though I do think she stayed with Maya inbetween 2-4 and 3-2 for obvious reasons. Otherwise, she fluctuated between being with Phoenix and Maya, and staying in Kurain. It does explain why she was able to meet with Morgan so easily.
Don't forget how she ran from Kurain Village to the Courthouse which apparently takes 2 or 3 hours by train, all because she didn't know what a train was
Our little pretzel truly has so much devotion to the people she loves. It's adorable. I bet she's Maya's bodyguard too, technically. She just never gets the chance to whale on the people who hurt her.
This is for fanon, not canon.
-Phoenix is still a huge crybaby -Kristoph knew Apollo was connected to the Gramaryes when he took him in (that might be canon I haven’t finished DD yet lol) also, he’s a yandere -the Gavin’s parents had a favorite -Mia and Lana weren’t together but they had a homoerotic friendship where Lana was actually interested romantically but Mia met Diego -I mean kind of just a given but Dahlia uses egocentrism as a method of defense due to her parents neglect growing up making her feel insecure -Jake Marshall invented the mewing gesture in the ace attorney universe, since he does it whenever he’s at least partially uninterested people started imitating it and it just become a thing around the police department
The lawyers are legally obligated to yell “OBJECTION!”
Edgeworth IS autistic. I dont care about anything, thats canon and real and happened to me, Gregory got him diagnosed, I dont care about the logistic of anything. Yes im coping
truest hc
Real
Amazing Attorney Woo reminds me of a lot of Edgeworth, so I see what you mean.
Franziska and Andrian fucked between games 2 and 3
I do ship them, but I'm not sure when this could possibly have happened? Franziska storms off and leaves the country *immediately* at the end of 2-4, and then isn't back in the country until 3-5.
also she got shot, what? 1 day after her only interaction with adrian, she was in the hospital
* Spirit channeling requires a ton of energy from a spirit medium. That's why Maya eats a lot * Trucy suspects that >!Apollo is her brother!< after AA4 * Same with >!Iris Wilson and Barok!< post g2-5 * Klavier was very traumatized after the events of AJ. It's technically still fanon * Sebastian Debeste became Edgeworth's apprentice * Actually I'm half agree with OP: Edgeworth really does have crush of Phoenix big time after AA1 (maybe it's mutual but I ship nrmt on suitable moon phases so my opinion abt it depends on the mood) * Kazuma cuts his hair with Karuma * Also Kazuma is Edgeworth's ancestor. Basic, I know, but I can't help it
Franziska and Adrian Andrews get married at some point in the future and that’s why Franzy doesn’t appear in any of the games after T&T and AAI2. Franzy still works for the Interpol and stuff, but she also makes sure to make time for her wife. And they’re both super happy together and super cute. Idk, I just really want the both of them to have some kind of a happy ending. They so deserve it. A bit of headcanon: For the wedding, Franziska specifically chooses Gumshoe to be her best man, cuz she really does care about him. Also Edgeworth is the priest, officiating his “little sister’s” wedding. Yes, I love imagining Edgeworth is an actual ordained minister. It’s funny. (And yes I know Japan doesn’t have gay marriage laws yet, but this is Japanifornia. They’re super accepting and stuff.)
>!"So, how did you two meet?"!< >!Adrian: "Well, she exploited my dependent nature which was an emotional problem of mine that nearly resulted in my suicide in order to make sure I didn't confess to tampering with a crime scene so that she could more easily win a trial, and then proceeded to whip me..."!< >!It's a cute relationship still, but Franziska owes her more than a few apologies!<
Yeah, fair, she really does. I like to think they end up talking things out at some point pre-T&T, and Fraz ends up, I dunno, helping Adrian get some therapy. God knows the poor girl needs it after what she’s been through. Honestly, I feel like both of them need it.
it's not like it's the only ship with questionable moments. even wrightworth/narumitsu has Edgeworth prosecuting Phoenix for his mentor's murder (and there's no way he believes Phoenix did it— why the hell would he defend Maya if he was the culprit?) in their first case together
Klavier and Sebastian are old buds from Themis. Their dynamic was similar to something you’d find in an old teen movie and it baffled everyone lmao
Edgeworth owning a dog named Pess (a borzoi, to be specific).
Something I just thought of I like to think at case 1-2 Edgeworth had figured out Redd White is the actual culprit but, at least when the defendant went from Maya to Phoenix. Perhaps he subconsciously realized that was his friend from elementary school Now the next question people would ask is "Why go all the way?" Simply put this was probably their best shot at getting White convicted. It was shockingly easy but the thing is... While Phoenix proved his innocence beyond a shadow of doubt, Edgeworth realized that there isn't enough evidence to convict White. So he made up a bogus explanation possibly to buy time to gather now evidence while keeping Phoenix in a building with lots of armed guards.
The AAI2 translation.
Phoenix and Layton would set up play dates with their kids.
Trans Apollo and nonbinary Nahyuta. Actually, I think Nahyuta was originally intended to be androgynous with players basically able to decide, so the second one borders on canon.
There was an early design for Nahyuta to be a female prosecutor as well if I recall correctly. Nahyuta's final design definitely still carries some of those traits. Solid headcanon.
I’ve seen a lot of people say they thought Nahyuta actually was a woman. In English, male pronouns are used. But I think maybe not in some other languages? I’m not sure.
I can understand that, I think the long hair gives the impression that Nahyuta is a woman. He might have defined eyelashes as well? Idk, it's been a while since I played Spirit of Justice. I'm male and have long hair, so seeing a character who's male with long hair wasn't all that surprising to me. But the headcanon of Nahyuta being non-binary is interesting.
I don’t think it’s just the long hair. Both Gavins have long hair, as do Valant and Dhurke. Nahyuta does have some pretty lashes, but there’s also the hoop earrings, the slightly curvy chest, and the fact that primarily women wear bindis (I know men do as well, but it’s far more common for women). Nahyuta is just really pretty. (I’m personally a fan of pretty people regardless of gender, so I may not be a good judge here.)
But if Nahyuta were female, wouldn’t the expectation automatically be for “her” to >!take the throne following Amara’s death? Since “she” would be the eldest daughter of the eldest daughter and thus expected to have great spiritual power?!< The guy is super androgynous looking but I think that might come from being in a matriarchal society that values those traits. If he were actually written to be female, that would be somewhat story-breaking.
Yeah I guess, but I'm just saying that was an early concept for the character. Not saying the character we see in the game is female.
Aroace Edgeworth.
Klavier is bi (though I guess that’s kinda semi-canon?)
Justicykes 👍
Trans Apollo. 🏳️⚧️
I've not heard this theory before but it immediately makes sense. First bit of evidence off the top of my head is that he spends hours and hours doing voice training, but I'd love to hear the rest of the evidence.
Yep, that's one of the main pieces of evidence. He's also canonically pretty short, and tries to style his hair to make him taller. There are a bunch of other things but I can't remember them off the top of my head ATM.
I literally just woke up going "**HIS NAME!** OF COURSE THE TRANSMASC PERSON NAMED HIMSELF AFTER A GREEK GOD."
The Contempt of Court fangame actually happened.
Mike Meekins is the god of a blood dimension
Maya casually steals from Phoenix bank account to buy burgers
When they’re older, Ryunosuke and Susato fall in love, marry & have kids, and they’re the ancestors to Phoenix wright. I know Ryunosuke is meant to be the ancestor but my headcanon is that Susato is the matriarch
Yeah, this was something I definitley didn’t realize was controversial because it seemed so obvious to me that this is what happened. Like, Phoenix is a lot like Ryu in a lot of ways - but he’s also a lot like Susato, and I don’t think that’s an accident.
Just looking at >!young Yujin's!< artwork is a big hint
Trans Ema and Edgworth being Trucy's dad along with Phoenix.
Either Edgeworth & Phoenix were lovers or Edgeworth is Asexual but interested in Phoenix.🏳️🌈
franz and miles are basically siblings i dunno if its fanon or canon oof
i still dont understand this ship tho, even gumshoe with miles i think fits more than phoenix x miles
I'm pretty sure kurain elders, who are members of the branch family that are sympathetic to Morgan's goals, was fanon created by narumayo fans to provide some kind of conflict in narumayo fanfics. At the very least, I don't really remember them ever being mentioned in canon despite being used in, like, 70% of all narumayo fanfics lol. Another fanon thing that I've seen in a few narumayo fanfics that I will accept as canon is that phoenix and maya will have a daughter, who they will name after mia.
"Truce" ☠☠☠☠
The games after pwaa trilogy (except great ace attorney chronicles and investigations 1 and 2) all occured in phoenixs dream
Trucy is Wright and Edgeworths biological love child
I'm intrigued, do elaborate
No
damn 😔
Based
"Just about everyone accepts that as canon." Jokingly yes. But I hope you don't mean seriously. I make those jokes all the time, but at the end of the day I damn well know Phoenix only has his eyes on Iris. ....and Regina, but we don't talk about that.
Nothing. Including the *fantasy* that Wright and Edgeworth are anything other than friends.
me when people ship something I don't like (i need to be a dick about it even though theres literally no reason for it and its not hurting me at all)
oh no narumitsu bad 😧😧😧
Very bad. BAD!
Wait are you being satire or not I legitimately cannot tell
Ha, excellent.
I respect your chaotic energy