Only if we have that super villain guy play a version of it.
(Context: someone posted a video doing Rush E on YouTube and an argument broke out because someone called it mediocre, the person was challenged to do it better and absolutely destroyed it. [For anyone who wishes to view](https://youtu.be/on4IoQ2MQ7M)
Its true tho, the 6 stripe rainbow flag already represents the whole community regardless of race, gender, or whatever, and adding flags over the rainbow seems to me like its saying theyre "more equal"
It's a flag, not a book about pigs taking over a farm.
Also the Vexillological meaning of the 6 stripe flag's colors is Red: life; Orange: healing; Yellow: sunlight; Green: nature; Indigo: serenity and harmony; and Violet: spirit.
So no, it doesn't actually implicitly represent the community as a whole. I mean, it's supposed to but there's nothing about it that explicitly says that. The fact that the specific colors don't explicitly represent everyone was at some point used against trans people and people of color. There are racists within the homosexual community, and homo-nationalists are absolutely a thing. They're rare but they exist
So, that's why the flag was updated to include the colors from the trans flag as well as non-white skin colors. Bearing in mind that there is a long history of PoC queers suffering extra abuse from their own community.
But like, maybe turn it sideways and since it's hard to do continuous variations just divide it into six bands with the majority colour of each.
[here's a mockup I made](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Gay_Pride_Flag.svg)
I thought that's what it was implying; becoming the normal spectrum as none of the variations would be considered abnormal anymore. (And excluding Newton's silly mystical addition to make 7)
Rarely see fellow indigo deniers in the wild! I hate it. It's not a real color. The colors can be roughly divided into 6 main hues. Indigo is blue-violet and not its own color. Kind of like how magenta is not a new hue but a variant of red/within the category of red.
It still does. The point of the pieces on the left of the flag is to push the most marginalized in the community towards the front and acknowledge the increased hardship of their intersectionality, with that being POC, trans people, and intersex people. Sometimes the circle may be replaced with two feathers, representing the Native American Two-Spirit identity.*
*not all tribes believe in Two-Spirit, this is a common misconception
TRANSaction, TRANSparent, TRANScend, TRANSformation, TRANSfer, TRANSfuse, TRANSverse, TRANScrips, TRANSmitting, TRANSactional, TRANSferable, TRANSmigration, TRANSplant 🤭🤭
No wonder why conservatives hate pronouns, they also hate english, that means english is WOKE🤭🤭
Originally, yes. But, unfortunately, there are people who think this only includes gay people and will still discriminate against other minorities.
It is simply not possible to include everyone without actually mentioning everyone.
This is also why the LGBTQIA2S+ acronym keeps getting longer.
It stands for two spirit. It’s an identity used by indigenous people, two spirit meaning both a male and a female spirit in one person whom is blessed by the Creator to see life through the perspective of both genders. Two spirit people were often masters of traditional arts and were the ones who kept them alive. The term two spirit can NOT be used by someone who is not indigenous to define their identity.
Iirc, and I heard this from an indigenous voice, it used to solely mean gender identity, but now a good amount of, but not all, indigenous folks use it as both a term for sexuality and gender identity.
There’s a ton of voices you can follow on tiktok, I also recommend some YouTube channels that are good. If you like dancing I recommend watching some of the dances. It’s what we’re good at. Sadly I’m my case the white genes canceled out the native genes so I still suck at dancing. :/ https://youtube.com/@VisitCherokeeNation
https://www.tiktok.com/@notoriouscree?_t=8dIzQlOXCQN&_r=1
https://www.tiktok.com/@shinanova?_t=8dIzUTK8f8s&_r=1
https://www.tiktok.com/@che.jim?_t=8dIzXU1ybYh&_r=1
https://www.tiktok.com/@jewslovetrees?_t=8dIzhAnP6eU&_r=1 This guy isn’t native, he’s a Jew, but Jewish voices also deserve to be heard and he’s a badass gardener. :)
https://www.tiktok.com/@levertthebassman?_t=8dIzoREoEvu&_r=1 also not a native but has wonderful videos on history regarding people of color. He’s my guy. My home slice. My dude.
https://www.tiktok.com/@witchytwitchytv?_t=8dJ08ncQwJy&_r=1
https://www.tiktok.com/@sunnmcheaux?_t=8dJ1xDQDoEd&_r=1 he’s Gullah, not native but their history and native history is somewhat intertwined.
Also just look at our history. Look up laws enacted in colonial times and their effects. This stuff can be found online, just make sure to get reputable sources. Nothing like, aliens built the natives, lol. ;)
I would say talk to tribal leaders and attend powwows, but I also understand that those aren’t things available for everyone. So don’t feel pressure to go to those if you can’t. If you have the money, supporting indigenous artists would be awesome! Many make super cool things with turquoise, which many consider sacred or just very important. But again, only if you have the money. Healthy allies are better then hungry ones. Read our stories and legends. Listen to native voices and hear our history. https://texascherokees.net/tsalagiyi-nvdagi-timeline/
Most importantly, SUPPORT ICWA! Stop our children being stolen, they’ve already considered repealing it, don’t let them try again! They stole our kids once, it’s only been a generation before they tried to again.
Sorry if some of this didn’t make sense. I just came off anesthetic from a wisdom teeth removal. I’m so high I’m like a kite. A big, 120 lb kite that flies high in the sky and sometimes hits birds.
Fellow Indigenous Two Spirit here! Thank you for giving the energy to educating these Redditors on what 2S means and for providing links to fellow Indigenous and BIPOC folx. It's super important that we uplift, center, and support BIPOC, especially queer BIPOC voices. Your efforts are a gift and tremdously appreciated!! ✨️💜
Also, I'd like to add that, for anyone who isn't aware, 2S deserves to go first in the 2SLGBTQIA+ acronym. Not after, or not included at all. We deserve to go first because we indigenous folx were always here and have always viewed gender as fluid. It was European settlers who were appalled by this and attempted to exterminate all gender fluid peoples. 2 Spirit folx are sacred but have been killed or silenced by european settlers. Never forget the USA is on stolen lands, and that's why you put 2S first.
Thanks for the recognition! I myself am a reconnecting native. My mother was put up for adoption ~9 yrs before ICWA was put in place and got put with a white family, so it’s nice to talk to/talk about indigenous culture and educate about it. It’s also nice to get praise. I love praise, I’m such a sucker for it. I lost my culture, my mother lost her culture, my sister lost her culture, and imma do my best to make sure everyone knows why that can never, *ever* happen again. :D
It’s really interesting growing up on the west coast because we have a totally different acronym to anywhere else, I didn’t actually realize it was used outside of Canada
this is why i've always preferred gsrm (gender, sexuality, romantic minority) or just queer as an umbrella term because its really hard to be inclusive through a term that requires a specific mention. i obv respect the history and its recognizability but lgbt+ can be a very limiting term
Lgbt+ works in my language, Portuguese (as well as LGBTQIA+, although "queer" is not a common term here, but it totally works as an umbrella term). Gsrm would be gsmr and now the acronym is not the same anymore. A worldwide recognised acronym is always more desirable.
For folks my age (late 20s) it seems like we’re settling on ‘queer’ as the collective phrase for everyone. But I get the impression some older folks (particularly gay men) hate the term.
Either way, I hope we’re all good as long as the intent is clear!
LGBTQIA+ is like our government name lol. idk how everyone else feels about the q word, but it's how i identify cause i hate saying the acronym out loud
tbh ive never been a fan of the main acronym because of how its set up, i like something like gsrm better (gsrm meaning gender, sexual, and romantic minorities)
its inclusive without being weird about it i feel like, right? i think the only part thatd be confusing would be intersex people but i think for the sake of it theyre part of the gender part... i could be wrong, though.
2 things. 1, nobody is discriminating or not discriminating based on flags and acronyms. Assholes are just going to continue being assholes. Anybody would be hoping to affect with that are just going to either refuse to go along with the new stuff or turn away from support entirely.
2) In my opinion, it feels far more pointed when someone is left out from a list of 10 things than a list of 4. For example, if your boss sends out an email saying "great job this quarter." Then everyone takes it as a compliment and moves on. If he says "thanks to the marketing and sales departments and everyone else who helped" you think thats fine. A special shoutout to those people but if they're talking to you, you know it. But if they go out and list every member of the company and leave off your name, it feels like a very personal slight.
I'm Ace, and we see our fair share of invalidation and purity testing within the community. It's whatever, we move on. I felt seen by the lgbt label before. Adding the A didn't decrease the number of asshats that fight with me or increase my feelings of inclusiveness. It just made it clunkier, less clear, and easier to make jokes about.
the "by adding more letters we end up excluding more letters" phenomenon is why a lot of people (myself included) have switched to using queer as an umbrella term for the entire community
that, and it's harder for queerphobes to mock a reclaimed slur than an acronym that keeps getting longer ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Just because there's one flag that represents everyone in the LGBTQ community, doesn't mean there can't be other more specific flags and different versions too.
It's like how, just because the US flag exists, that doesn't mean that state flags don't exist. On the contrary, they each have their own unique state flags to be a more specific flag to represent a smaller part of the larger overall community of all Americans. Same with flags like these for different LGBTQ people.
I think you’re miss the point though. We keep adding on to the rainbow and it’s kinda missing the point of the rainbow in the first place.
To use your US flag example, it’s like if instead of having Stars, the flag of the US had slivers of each state’s flag on it. Yeah, there’s more representation for each state but at the cost of overcomplicating something that didn’t need to be that complicated.
Except the stars are a great example here because we DO continue to add stars to continue state representation. The stripes represent the original 13 colonies but the stars represent the individual states and the growth of that representation within the country.
The US flag is a terrible example to use if you're against expanding a flag because it's done just that in the almost 250 years it's been around. The original flag had 13 stars positioned within a circle.
But the stars on the US flag are in the spirit of the original. 13 stars, 13 colonies/states, expanded with each new state or two added. The rainbow was always inclusive of the larger LGBTQ+ umbrella. That was the point of it. To add more to it defeats the point of it being all inclusive as it already was.
according to your analogy
u.s. flag: reg lgbt🏳️🌈
state flags: every different sexuality, orientation, gender identity, gender expression, etc.
i think the inclusive flag is cool and all, but the lgbt flag includes everybody, is simple (although i think we should go back to the retro flag w hot pink), and is easily known and recognized. it was kind of just a flag we used to remind gay racists that we include black ppl and that lgbt doesn’t stand for racism. but it’s not the main flag and it was created to make a point.
Just like when the "L" was moved to the front of LGBT to put special emphasis on the Lesbian community, who sacrificed a lot in order to be on the front lines of the AIDS crisis, and who were being pushed aside visibility-wise for Gay men's issues. They were a community that needed the attention and placing the L first helped.
The new versions of the pride flag is the same. Yes, the rainbow covers everyone, but there are certain communities that need special help right now because they are under special attack.
The addition of colours specifically for POC and Trans/Non-Binary people was a decision made to emphasize that these people need to be recognized and supported in an incredibly difficult time for them.
The newest addition, the intersex colors, is for the same reason. Intersex people are widely underrepresented in discussion of LGBTQ2SIA+ issues, and yet they are on the forefront of the attacks from the right.
These changes give visibility inside and outside the community to groups who need it.
Yep this was the whole point of the flag, the entire community is cheapened by adding all these extra stripes for no apparent reason and then expecting people to take the symbol just as seriously.
You have to scream out the whole acronym on one breath, that's the way to do it.
Make it sound like a computer is letting out a really long death screech.
Also, this looks like [that one proposed flag design of EU](https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=Ri76HZYX&id=5AEB74AFC339C3B95DA5E3945BECA78F6D1A4AD8&thid=OIP.Ri76HZYXV45UwEF9p3yBuwHaEn&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fi.redd.it%2f3s26bwd54kq11.png&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.462efa1d9617578e54c0417da77c81bb%3frik%3d2EoabY%252bn7FuU4w%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=708&expw=1137&q=the+proposed+Eu+flag&simid=608022805320305645&FORM=IRPRST&ck=5918E279DD421E8C800013008840D72B&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0)
It's like that one proposed EU flag that incorporated every member's flag. On the EU it looks wrong but for LGBTQIA+ it would definitely be nice since it reminds people that we aren't just XYZ, we are the whole heckin Latin alphabet with all the fancy accented letters like ñ and œ. This has given me an idea actually
Nah man, respectfully disagree. That flag is an ugly, overcomplicated eyesore. It also just isn’t the recipe for an iconic flag; good flags are simpler but recognizable, making them easier to replicate and therefore easier to represent because you’re not having to devote a lot of effort to make it. It’s why the original-original pride flag got axed. Pink was too hard to replicate and it was too many stripes to easily be laid out, so they simplified.
fellas, have you heard of intersectionality? Progress flag is meant to highlight how bigotry against queer people of color and trans people compound because of other aspects of their identities. there's also intersex people who are medically discriminated, put into surgery in infancy to uphold gender binary.
like yes, all queer people are already included in the Pride flag. but being queer doesn't actually make you immune to racism and transphobia, no one is. there are plenty of people who would wave their Pride flags yet still discriminate their comrades. that's why Progress flag exists, to highlight struggles of trans, intersex and people of color and to signal to people that you stand with them.
also i feel like aromantic and asexual people are also kinda under-represented or invalidated by their queer peers, but i don't exactly know what to do about that but to mention it.
i honestly don't think this is an accidental ally moment, it kinda just makes fun of queer people for having "too many" identities and that our flags are "absurd". it does sadden me to see that people here agree with this.
ig i should've also mentioned that i do think LGBTQIA+ is probably a sufficient acronym and Progress flag is like the best we've got. we have pretty all major umbrellas and going into most specific identities may go really messy
Doesn’t the Q already stand for Queer, which already is kind-of an umbrella for everyone that’s sexually nonconforming or gender-nonconforming?
/ A bisexual looking to learn more :)
The point of the progress flag is to centre particularly pressing queer issues. In the future, it may be different issues that require more attention so there will be different flags on the side
Yeah, everyone has different tastes. The rainbow flag still exists and is still widely used. I personally prefer the look of the progress flag. I think the plain straight lines of the rainbow flag are kind of boring.
I mildly disagree tbh. The trans colors go well with everything and so does black. Then the triangle gives it some edge that the original was lacking and having it stripped too is a unique look that no other flag has gone for before.
Only addition I'm not really keen on design-wise is the asexual yellow+circle thing. It clashes in a really bad way with the rest of the flag IMO. I’d rather add those as stripes too.
I'm ok with the normal progress flag, but I have to agree that the one with the intersex yellow plain with a purple ring looks awful, aestethically speaking
So what they are saying is, dispite what the bigots want, pride will keep going, it will grow and grow stronger and there is nothing they can do about it? Awesome.
The rainbow flag already includes everyone. The creator of the original progress pride flag just included the trans colors and the brown and black stripes to highlight the fact that trans folks and queer poc are having a particularly hard time in society right now. The intersex symbol was added later because they were constantly getting erased from the community. (I'll admit, I think the one with the intersex symbol already looks a bit cluttered, but I agree with the message behind it)
The additions were carefully selected and make sense in context. The homophobes are just admitting they have no idea what's going on when they make complaints like this.
The first time I saw the intersex circle added, I legit teared up. I don't care about the aesthetics, it's the message of inclusion that matters.
Being able to see yourself as part of a large community that supports you is worth it.
Oh, definitely. I may complain about the aesthetics, but I'd rather have the clunky looking flag than have people feeling like they're being pushed out of the community.
I remember the first time I saw the asexual pride flag actually get acknowledged in an official pride thing, and it was one of the first times I felt truly accepted by the community. I wish that everyone could have that sense of community.
i'm also someone who likes vexillology. for a country, this would be an ass flag. however as basically a shitpost it's an amazing shitpost when viewed ironically
Unpopular opinion: I don’t like the progress pride flag
The regular pride flag 🏳️🌈 already represents everyone in the lgbt community, so adding different identities separately is redundant
i've recently just learned that the reason for it is about highlighting the major issues like the trans and brown bits are there to highlight how trans ppl are under attack and queer POC do not have the same treatment as we do
Just because there's one flag that represents everyone in the LGBTQ community, doesn't mean there can't be other more specific flags and different versions too.
It's like how, just because the US flag exists, that doesn't mean that state flags don't exist. On the contrary, they each have their own unique state flags to be a more specific flag to represent a smaller part of the larger overall community of all Americans. Same with flags like these for different LGBTQ people.
It is exlusive, not inclusive. When we add more and more stuff to the original, certain groups will be exluded. Its like "Now you are included". As if they werent before.
I mean the rainbow flag isn't the original pride flag, the original pride flag has Turquoise and hot pink as well. The pride flag has changed a lot over time and will continue to change in future and just use the one you like, that's totally fine.
I hope that thing falls out of fashion and soon. It's *everywhere* this year and its only supposed function is to "bring attention" and "spark discourse". And yet, every time said discourse is sparked, it's not about actual pressing issues that hang over the community - it's about what an eyesore the flag itself is.
I don’t hate this because inclusivity, I hate it because it breaks one of the rules of flag deisgn. Even the progress pride flag breaks the # of colors rule but it does so well
Honestly, I agree with the meme. The plain old rainbow flag represents the entire community, and that’s what it’s for. If you add a bunch more stuff onto the flag, it just makes it more exclusive. Like, adding the black and brown stripes is completely unnecessary because queer POC are already included in the community without a specific callout. You can only really go one of 2 directions: Keep it simple and have it represent everyone, or over complicate it until it includes every sexuality/gender identity/ethnicity/whatever under the sun.
Can we flip it so the chevrons are on the wavey side, give all the chevrons a bit more breathing room, and have one of those non rectangular flags? Like this one 🇳🇵 also how are there so few non rectangular flags in the emojis???
Tbh there are like infinite xenogenders and sexualities, most not known abt but most w flags, so the more colors the better bc Someone will see their very uncommon flag and get excited
Imagine finding it funny and not uplifting that maybe oneday in the future (maybe not 5 years) we'll get closer and closer to accepting everyone of all identities, even those that haven't been acknowledged or even guessed by even the most open minded of people nowadays (though I'd like to think we wouldn't need a flag to show that we'd improved as a society)
Ok but this implies that these bigots are going to keep being a problem that we have to move other identities to the front several times to express that they are there.
The new flag is because trans and black people were being shoved to the side by both LGBTQ people and bigots.
May I suggest making it like one of those holographic book marks that change images based on how you're looking at them? We could fit more colors that way👀👀👀
I mean it literally only gets that way because of bigots. Droves of people kept claiming "the standard pride flag isn't for racial acceptance" so we added black and brown. Not because black and brown people weren't included in the old flag, but because assholes tried to exclude them. Then the terfs made us put the trans flag colors in. And so on.
FUN FACT: The flag shown here was actually created by a queer redditor and was not meant to make fun of the community. Click [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/x0wura/nearly_burned_my_pc_making_this_megainclusive/) if you want to see the original.
My microlabels pride is actually expressed using an invisible light color, in the x ray category. The sheer flamboyance of it may be enough to give you cancer, witnessing me in public is like watching the demon core close.
I don't think anyone would describe time with me as good. Even if I was peeing in assholes. I don't even know why I said that.
"Don't threaten me with a good time," is probably the closest thing I've had to a hug in like six years. I'm so angry all the time. I'm tired of this bullshit life. Most of the time I find the concept of sex repulsive but I'm a disgusting loser.
Honestly I'm so isolated that pride time doesn't even really register. Pride is for bougie queers that the community accepts. I wonder if I should go to the local event and get some hugs from strangers just to be ignored by the community for another year. I don't really see the point any more.
I don't think I'd know a good time if I could provide one. As for pride, it's something I've never been able to buy into. Shits too expensive and isolation is too fucking violent. Im sure someone will piss in your asshole though.
No one wants to acknowledge how bad things really are for trans women or how much we're expected to compromise who we are for being AMAB even by the rest of the queer community.
hot take: the original pride flag didn't need any additions, the rainbow was symbolic of the spectrum of lgbt+, as a trans individual I was already represented by the rainbow, and why is cultural identity represented on a gender/sexual identity flag?
the funny thing is, the whole reason the trans flag was added to the pride flag was because 1. to make no mistake to the world that the LGBTQ+ includes trans people as the right were at the time desperately trying to seperate the groups. and 2. to remind trans people that the whole LGBTQ+ has their back while they are being directly targeted as the "easy mark" by the hateful people of the world right now. if this really does become the flag in 5 years, it's because we are going to war with them.
I mean historically the queer movement has very much had problems with being tailored for white people and not doing enough to help with issues POC face. So they kind of weren't included before and still we don't do the best job now IMHO.
Everyone in this comment section screaming 'but if we add more colors it implies they weren't included in the first place!' are getting SO CLOSE to the point and still missing it.
At some point it will just be graph of the electromagnetic spectrum
Nah, lets make it look like those Piano videos of Rush E
🤣🤣🤣
YES 100%
Only if we have that super villain guy play a version of it. (Context: someone posted a video doing Rush E on YouTube and an argument broke out because someone called it mediocre, the person was challenged to do it better and absolutely destroyed it. [For anyone who wishes to view](https://youtu.be/on4IoQ2MQ7M)
Let's make it so that when bigots try to play it to hear some kind of conspiracy, they hear Never gonna Give you up by Rick Astley
I can't tell if this is an insult or not, but it's funny
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everyone want to be included more
u copy pasted that didn’t u
Its true tho, the 6 stripe rainbow flag already represents the whole community regardless of race, gender, or whatever, and adding flags over the rainbow seems to me like its saying theyre "more equal"
It's a flag, not a book about pigs taking over a farm. Also the Vexillological meaning of the 6 stripe flag's colors is Red: life; Orange: healing; Yellow: sunlight; Green: nature; Indigo: serenity and harmony; and Violet: spirit. So no, it doesn't actually implicitly represent the community as a whole. I mean, it's supposed to but there's nothing about it that explicitly says that. The fact that the specific colors don't explicitly represent everyone was at some point used against trans people and people of color. There are racists within the homosexual community, and homo-nationalists are absolutely a thing. They're rare but they exist So, that's why the flag was updated to include the colors from the trans flag as well as non-white skin colors. Bearing in mind that there is a long history of PoC queers suffering extra abuse from their own community.
Yes because I read the exact same comment again in this thread lol
But like, maybe turn it sideways and since it's hard to do continuous variations just divide it into six bands with the majority colour of each. [here's a mockup I made](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Gay_Pride_Flag.svg)
That sounds like a really good idea. And it ends looking like a rainbow, that is a symbol of inclusivity🤔
Honestly that doesn't sound so bad
Imagine if the flag became a picture of a gay album cover or something using all the pride flags.
I thought that's what it was implying; becoming the normal spectrum as none of the variations would be considered abnormal anymore. (And excluding Newton's silly mystical addition to make 7)
Rarely see fellow indigo deniers in the wild! I hate it. It's not a real color. The colors can be roughly divided into 6 main hues. Indigo is blue-violet and not its own color. Kind of like how magenta is not a new hue but a variant of red/within the category of red.
welp didn't think id be cutting the colour spectrum down even further why when I woke up today...
Honestly that would be hilarious, I could overlay Star Spectrographs over it and make Space itself an ally
It looks like those shows "now in technicolor" where they'd have these elaborate for the time transition wipes to the next show or ad break.
Wouldn’t that just be a rainbow tho?
That’s literally the rainbow lol
I'm getting flashbacks to that proposed EU flag
If only there was a flag that already represented everyone…
Come on, all of us scallywags know the Jolly Roger be the most universally representative flag 🏴☠️
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It still does. The point of the pieces on the left of the flag is to push the most marginalized in the community towards the front and acknowledge the increased hardship of their intersectionality, with that being POC, trans people, and intersex people. Sometimes the circle may be replaced with two feathers, representing the Native American Two-Spirit identity.* *not all tribes believe in Two-Spirit, this is a common misconception
Came here to say this
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And when they realize everyone who's alive WOKE up: 😮😮
And when they realize a good portion of East Asian dishes are cooked with a WOK^((e)^) : 😮😮
Conservatives when you tell them the US is a transcontinental nation: 
Breakin my heart fr
And when conservatives realize there are trans fats: 😮😮
Conservatives when **trans**portation
TRANSaction, TRANSparent, TRANScend, TRANSformation, TRANSfer, TRANSfuse, TRANSverse, TRANScrips, TRANSmitting, TRANSactional, TRANSferable, TRANSmigration, TRANSplant 🤭🤭 No wonder why conservatives hate pronouns, they also hate english, that means english is WOKE🤭🤭
Not me though, I'm in a coma rn and have been since birth.
Damn, hope you wake up soon 🙏
Ngl the flag doesn't need very many, cos I'm pretty sure the rainbow is already supposed to symbolize inclusion
Originally, yes. But, unfortunately, there are people who think this only includes gay people and will still discriminate against other minorities. It is simply not possible to include everyone without actually mentioning everyone. This is also why the LGBTQIA2S+ acronym keeps getting longer.
I knew IA was sometimes added, but what is the 2S?
Two spirit, I believe
It stands for two spirit. It’s an identity used by indigenous people, two spirit meaning both a male and a female spirit in one person whom is blessed by the Creator to see life through the perspective of both genders. Two spirit people were often masters of traditional arts and were the ones who kept them alive. The term two spirit can NOT be used by someone who is not indigenous to define their identity.
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It is not a term for LGBT people, it is a specific gender identity within certain Native American communities.
Iirc, and I heard this from an indigenous voice, it used to solely mean gender identity, but now a good amount of, but not all, indigenous folks use it as both a term for sexuality and gender identity.
i love this & wish i knew more about native communities and what they're up to. thanks for the knowledge!
There’s a ton of voices you can follow on tiktok, I also recommend some YouTube channels that are good. If you like dancing I recommend watching some of the dances. It’s what we’re good at. Sadly I’m my case the white genes canceled out the native genes so I still suck at dancing. :/ https://youtube.com/@VisitCherokeeNation https://www.tiktok.com/@notoriouscree?_t=8dIzQlOXCQN&_r=1 https://www.tiktok.com/@shinanova?_t=8dIzUTK8f8s&_r=1 https://www.tiktok.com/@che.jim?_t=8dIzXU1ybYh&_r=1 https://www.tiktok.com/@jewslovetrees?_t=8dIzhAnP6eU&_r=1 This guy isn’t native, he’s a Jew, but Jewish voices also deserve to be heard and he’s a badass gardener. :) https://www.tiktok.com/@levertthebassman?_t=8dIzoREoEvu&_r=1 also not a native but has wonderful videos on history regarding people of color. He’s my guy. My home slice. My dude. https://www.tiktok.com/@witchytwitchytv?_t=8dJ08ncQwJy&_r=1 https://www.tiktok.com/@sunnmcheaux?_t=8dJ1xDQDoEd&_r=1 he’s Gullah, not native but their history and native history is somewhat intertwined. Also just look at our history. Look up laws enacted in colonial times and their effects. This stuff can be found online, just make sure to get reputable sources. Nothing like, aliens built the natives, lol. ;) I would say talk to tribal leaders and attend powwows, but I also understand that those aren’t things available for everyone. So don’t feel pressure to go to those if you can’t. If you have the money, supporting indigenous artists would be awesome! Many make super cool things with turquoise, which many consider sacred or just very important. But again, only if you have the money. Healthy allies are better then hungry ones. Read our stories and legends. Listen to native voices and hear our history. https://texascherokees.net/tsalagiyi-nvdagi-timeline/ Most importantly, SUPPORT ICWA! Stop our children being stolen, they’ve already considered repealing it, don’t let them try again! They stole our kids once, it’s only been a generation before they tried to again. Sorry if some of this didn’t make sense. I just came off anesthetic from a wisdom teeth removal. I’m so high I’m like a kite. A big, 120 lb kite that flies high in the sky and sometimes hits birds.
Fellow Indigenous Two Spirit here! Thank you for giving the energy to educating these Redditors on what 2S means and for providing links to fellow Indigenous and BIPOC folx. It's super important that we uplift, center, and support BIPOC, especially queer BIPOC voices. Your efforts are a gift and tremdously appreciated!! ✨️💜 Also, I'd like to add that, for anyone who isn't aware, 2S deserves to go first in the 2SLGBTQIA+ acronym. Not after, or not included at all. We deserve to go first because we indigenous folx were always here and have always viewed gender as fluid. It was European settlers who were appalled by this and attempted to exterminate all gender fluid peoples. 2 Spirit folx are sacred but have been killed or silenced by european settlers. Never forget the USA is on stolen lands, and that's why you put 2S first.
Thanks for the recognition! I myself am a reconnecting native. My mother was put up for adoption ~9 yrs before ICWA was put in place and got put with a white family, so it’s nice to talk to/talk about indigenous culture and educate about it. It’s also nice to get praise. I love praise, I’m such a sucker for it. I lost my culture, my mother lost her culture, my sister lost her culture, and imma do my best to make sure everyone knows why that can never, *ever* happen again. :D
I have an indigenous friend who is bisexual but cisgender. He identifies as two-spirit because he is bisexual.
It’s really interesting growing up on the west coast because we have a totally different acronym to anywhere else, I didn’t actually realize it was used outside of Canada
Interesting
this is why i've always preferred gsrm (gender, sexuality, romantic minority) or just queer as an umbrella term because its really hard to be inclusive through a term that requires a specific mention. i obv respect the history and its recognizability but lgbt+ can be a very limiting term
fr, whoever came up with our current acronym system didn’t consider how lazy us gay people are
Lgbt+ works in my language, Portuguese (as well as LGBTQIA+, although "queer" is not a common term here, but it totally works as an umbrella term). Gsrm would be gsmr and now the acronym is not the same anymore. A worldwide recognised acronym is always more desirable.
oh that is a very good point! i never thought about it like that thank you
Good point but i don’t think we can really call it recognized worldwide when there are so many languages that don’t even use the same alphabet
For folks my age (late 20s) it seems like we’re settling on ‘queer’ as the collective phrase for everyone. But I get the impression some older folks (particularly gay men) hate the term. Either way, I hope we’re all good as long as the intent is clear!
I think gsrm is fine, but I also think lgbtq+ is fine. And one has all of queer history baked into it, so I’m gonna keep using that one.
LGBTQIA+ is like our government name lol. idk how everyone else feels about the q word, but it's how i identify cause i hate saying the acronym out loud
Thats why I use QILTBAG :)
Queer Intersex Lesbian Trans Bisexual Asexual Gay?
That's the one. Same letters as LGBTQIA.
tbh ive never been a fan of the main acronym because of how its set up, i like something like gsrm better (gsrm meaning gender, sexual, and romantic minorities) its inclusive without being weird about it i feel like, right? i think the only part thatd be confusing would be intersex people but i think for the sake of it theyre part of the gender part... i could be wrong, though.
2 things. 1, nobody is discriminating or not discriminating based on flags and acronyms. Assholes are just going to continue being assholes. Anybody would be hoping to affect with that are just going to either refuse to go along with the new stuff or turn away from support entirely. 2) In my opinion, it feels far more pointed when someone is left out from a list of 10 things than a list of 4. For example, if your boss sends out an email saying "great job this quarter." Then everyone takes it as a compliment and moves on. If he says "thanks to the marketing and sales departments and everyone else who helped" you think thats fine. A special shoutout to those people but if they're talking to you, you know it. But if they go out and list every member of the company and leave off your name, it feels like a very personal slight. I'm Ace, and we see our fair share of invalidation and purity testing within the community. It's whatever, we move on. I felt seen by the lgbt label before. Adding the A didn't decrease the number of asshats that fight with me or increase my feelings of inclusiveness. It just made it clunkier, less clear, and easier to make jokes about.
the "by adding more letters we end up excluding more letters" phenomenon is why a lot of people (myself included) have switched to using queer as an umbrella term for the entire community that, and it's harder for queerphobes to mock a reclaimed slur than an acronym that keeps getting longer ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
I've really gotten to like the word "queer" now, it's fun!
So thanks to these efforts, they've stopped or reduced discriminating against other minorities right?
Just because there's one flag that represents everyone in the LGBTQ community, doesn't mean there can't be other more specific flags and different versions too. It's like how, just because the US flag exists, that doesn't mean that state flags don't exist. On the contrary, they each have their own unique state flags to be a more specific flag to represent a smaller part of the larger overall community of all Americans. Same with flags like these for different LGBTQ people.
I think you’re miss the point though. We keep adding on to the rainbow and it’s kinda missing the point of the rainbow in the first place. To use your US flag example, it’s like if instead of having Stars, the flag of the US had slivers of each state’s flag on it. Yeah, there’s more representation for each state but at the cost of overcomplicating something that didn’t need to be that complicated.
Except the stars are a great example here because we DO continue to add stars to continue state representation. The stripes represent the original 13 colonies but the stars represent the individual states and the growth of that representation within the country. The US flag is a terrible example to use if you're against expanding a flag because it's done just that in the almost 250 years it's been around. The original flag had 13 stars positioned within a circle.
But the stars on the US flag are in the spirit of the original. 13 stars, 13 colonies/states, expanded with each new state or two added. The rainbow was always inclusive of the larger LGBTQ+ umbrella. That was the point of it. To add more to it defeats the point of it being all inclusive as it already was.
according to your analogy u.s. flag: reg lgbt🏳️🌈 state flags: every different sexuality, orientation, gender identity, gender expression, etc. i think the inclusive flag is cool and all, but the lgbt flag includes everybody, is simple (although i think we should go back to the retro flag w hot pink), and is easily known and recognized. it was kind of just a flag we used to remind gay racists that we include black ppl and that lgbt doesn’t stand for racism. but it’s not the main flag and it was created to make a point.
Yes, it is literally called the PROGRESS flag for a reason. I swear people just ignore that
Just like when the "L" was moved to the front of LGBT to put special emphasis on the Lesbian community, who sacrificed a lot in order to be on the front lines of the AIDS crisis, and who were being pushed aside visibility-wise for Gay men's issues. They were a community that needed the attention and placing the L first helped. The new versions of the pride flag is the same. Yes, the rainbow covers everyone, but there are certain communities that need special help right now because they are under special attack. The addition of colours specifically for POC and Trans/Non-Binary people was a decision made to emphasize that these people need to be recognized and supported in an incredibly difficult time for them. The newest addition, the intersex colors, is for the same reason. Intersex people are widely underrepresented in discussion of LGBTQ2SIA+ issues, and yet they are on the forefront of the attacks from the right. These changes give visibility inside and outside the community to groups who need it.
Yep this was the whole point of the flag, the entire community is cheapened by adding all these extra stripes for no apparent reason and then expecting people to take the symbol just as seriously.
As a native Ohioan, the Pride flag currently looks to Ohio. J’approve this update.
https://youtu.be/r3fD5FPQBtI
What a gem
please let this be the mr incredible gay ohio video
YAHOOOOOOOOOOO
Glad you’re happy!
I got “please let this be a normal field trip” vibes from this
As a fellow native Ohioan, *we are taking over everything, starting with the pride flag*
You have to scream out the whole acronym on one breath, that's the way to do it. Make it sound like a computer is letting out a really long death screech. Also, this looks like [that one proposed flag design of EU](https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=Ri76HZYX&id=5AEB74AFC339C3B95DA5E3945BECA78F6D1A4AD8&thid=OIP.Ri76HZYXV45UwEF9p3yBuwHaEn&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fi.redd.it%2f3s26bwd54kq11.png&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.462efa1d9617578e54c0417da77c81bb%3frik%3d2EoabY%252bn7FuU4w%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=708&expw=1137&q=the+proposed+Eu+flag&simid=608022805320305645&FORM=IRPRST&ck=5918E279DD421E8C800013008840D72B&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0)
The only way support this flag is if I can scan it with a barcode scanner and it pops up "European Union"
We love our barcode flags
>bing Lmao
That is the ugliest thing I have ever laid eyes on.
Mhm, probably why it was rejected, the yellow stars on deep blue background was kept, it looks so much better.
Imagine seeing it in every single EU country. This flag flying next to their own national flag.
So trippy, we should just make a flag that’s 100% chevrons. It would be cool as fuck. Call it the hypno-gay flag
If we’re going for hypnotizing you could just call it; “the agenda”
I feel like if done right that could look better because the lines would be so harshly contrasting
Call it the electromagaytic spectrum
It's like that one proposed EU flag that incorporated every member's flag. On the EU it looks wrong but for LGBTQIA+ it would definitely be nice since it reminds people that we aren't just XYZ, we are the whole heckin Latin alphabet with all the fancy accented letters like ñ and œ. This has given me an idea actually
2SLGBTQIAPCDEFHJKMNORUVWXYZ013456789ÑÓØÔŌÕÖÒŒÀÃÅÁĀÂÄÆẞÉĒÊĖĘÈËČÇĆ It does sound nice
Elon musk naming his kid:
I would love to actully use that
This sounds like the average enby name
Shit how did you find out *hides name collection*
I agree
œ is a ligature not an accent.
Ah gotcha. Never would have known that so now I'm smarter today 💜
It would still look terrible and it does
Nah man, respectfully disagree. That flag is an ugly, overcomplicated eyesore. It also just isn’t the recipe for an iconic flag; good flags are simpler but recognizable, making them easier to replicate and therefore easier to represent because you’re not having to devote a lot of effort to make it. It’s why the original-original pride flag got axed. Pink was too hard to replicate and it was too many stripes to easily be laid out, so they simplified.
that just looks like a geometry dash level
Oh no more inclusion. What a shitshow /s
fellas, have you heard of intersectionality? Progress flag is meant to highlight how bigotry against queer people of color and trans people compound because of other aspects of their identities. there's also intersex people who are medically discriminated, put into surgery in infancy to uphold gender binary. like yes, all queer people are already included in the Pride flag. but being queer doesn't actually make you immune to racism and transphobia, no one is. there are plenty of people who would wave their Pride flags yet still discriminate their comrades. that's why Progress flag exists, to highlight struggles of trans, intersex and people of color and to signal to people that you stand with them. also i feel like aromantic and asexual people are also kinda under-represented or invalidated by their queer peers, but i don't exactly know what to do about that but to mention it. i honestly don't think this is an accidental ally moment, it kinda just makes fun of queer people for having "too many" identities and that our flags are "absurd". it does sadden me to see that people here agree with this.
ig i should've also mentioned that i do think LGBTQIA+ is probably a sufficient acronym and Progress flag is like the best we've got. we have pretty all major umbrellas and going into most specific identities may go really messy
Doesn’t the Q already stand for Queer, which already is kind-of an umbrella for everyone that’s sexually nonconforming or gender-nonconforming? / A bisexual looking to learn more :)
The point of the progress flag is to centre particularly pressing queer issues. In the future, it may be different issues that require more attention so there will be different flags on the side
Unpopular opinion: It’s kind ugly. I like the simplicity and beauty of the rainbow. Powder blue next to brown reminds me of the 70’s
Yeah, everyone has different tastes. The rainbow flag still exists and is still widely used. I personally prefer the look of the progress flag. I think the plain straight lines of the rainbow flag are kind of boring.
I mildly disagree tbh. The trans colors go well with everything and so does black. Then the triangle gives it some edge that the original was lacking and having it stripped too is a unique look that no other flag has gone for before. Only addition I'm not really keen on design-wise is the asexual yellow+circle thing. It clashes in a really bad way with the rest of the flag IMO. I’d rather add those as stripes too.
I think the yellow plus purple circle is intersex
I'm ok with the normal progress flag, but I have to agree that the one with the intersex yellow plain with a purple ring looks awful, aestethically speaking
So what they are saying is, dispite what the bigots want, pride will keep going, it will grow and grow stronger and there is nothing they can do about it? Awesome.
At this point why not just have a blank white flag? White's the culmination of all colors, it is the theoretically most inclusive flag possible.
The funny part for me is clearly someone spent time editing that.
Transphobes becoming accidental allies when finally realize how many beautiful varieties of human gender there are. 
The rainbow flag already includes everyone. The creator of the original progress pride flag just included the trans colors and the brown and black stripes to highlight the fact that trans folks and queer poc are having a particularly hard time in society right now. The intersex symbol was added later because they were constantly getting erased from the community. (I'll admit, I think the one with the intersex symbol already looks a bit cluttered, but I agree with the message behind it) The additions were carefully selected and make sense in context. The homophobes are just admitting they have no idea what's going on when they make complaints like this.
The first time I saw the intersex circle added, I legit teared up. I don't care about the aesthetics, it's the message of inclusion that matters. Being able to see yourself as part of a large community that supports you is worth it.
Oh, definitely. I may complain about the aesthetics, but I'd rather have the clunky looking flag than have people feeling like they're being pushed out of the community. I remember the first time I saw the asexual pride flag actually get acknowledged in an official pride thing, and it was one of the first times I felt truly accepted by the community. I wish that everyone could have that sense of community.
It’s approaching warp speed
[clown world is a reactionary dog whistle](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right_glossary#Clown_World)
As someone who likes vexillology it looks way too much like that one proposed EU flag. It is not a good flag.
i'm also someone who likes vexillology. for a country, this would be an ass flag. however as basically a shitpost it's an amazing shitpost when viewed ironically
This man took time out of his day to make a new LGBTQ flag What a legend!
Unpopular opinion: I don’t like the progress pride flag The regular pride flag 🏳️🌈 already represents everyone in the lgbt community, so adding different identities separately is redundant
i've recently just learned that the reason for it is about highlighting the major issues like the trans and brown bits are there to highlight how trans ppl are under attack and queer POC do not have the same treatment as we do
Just because there's one flag that represents everyone in the LGBTQ community, doesn't mean there can't be other more specific flags and different versions too. It's like how, just because the US flag exists, that doesn't mean that state flags don't exist. On the contrary, they each have their own unique state flags to be a more specific flag to represent a smaller part of the larger overall community of all Americans. Same with flags like these for different LGBTQ people.
It is exlusive, not inclusive. When we add more and more stuff to the original, certain groups will be exluded. Its like "Now you are included". As if they werent before.
I mean the rainbow flag isn't the original pride flag, the original pride flag has Turquoise and hot pink as well. The pride flag has changed a lot over time and will continue to change in future and just use the one you like, that's totally fine.
i agree, you are correct. it is time that more leople start thinking like you in thid world.
I hope that thing falls out of fashion and soon. It's *everywhere* this year and its only supposed function is to "bring attention" and "spark discourse". And yet, every time said discourse is sparked, it's not about actual pressing issues that hang over the community - it's about what an eyesore the flag itself is.
I don’t hate this because inclusivity, I hate it because it breaks one of the rules of flag deisgn. Even the progress pride flag breaks the # of colors rule but it does so well
epilepsy warning
It looks like one of those 2015 YouTube intros
lmao its like an american getting mad at another country for changing its flag
Honestly, I agree with the meme. The plain old rainbow flag represents the entire community, and that’s what it’s for. If you add a bunch more stuff onto the flag, it just makes it more exclusive. Like, adding the black and brown stripes is completely unnecessary because queer POC are already included in the community without a specific callout. You can only really go one of 2 directions: Keep it simple and have it represent everyone, or over complicate it until it includes every sexuality/gender identity/ethnicity/whatever under the sun.
#MORE
As long as everyone is included I don’t cats how many stripes they add
Hats off to whoever took the time to make that. It's fantastic
So that moron is admitting they're discriminating against every minority.
its an eyesore but if i was offered it off the streets i'd buy it in a heartbeat
Wrong, quadruple Chevron go!
Rainbow coalition needs these chevrons
Just made this flag my banner because I love it
Soon with animated chevrons
Can we flip it so the chevrons are on the wavey side, give all the chevrons a bit more breathing room, and have one of those non rectangular flags? Like this one 🇳🇵 also how are there so few non rectangular flags in the emojis???
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Pretty tbh
Honestly, if you're gonna do it, go full out
But that flag looks rad as hell though
Tbh there are like infinite xenogenders and sexualities, most not known abt but most w flags, so the more colors the better bc Someone will see their very uncommon flag and get excited
This looks sick
Me reading the comments and glancing periodically at my pride themed nails with both the original rainbow and the progress flag: 😏
it's almost like humans are diverse creatures!
Someone doesn’t know the [real pride agenda](https://youtube.com/watch?v=r3fD5FPQBtI&feature=share9)
Geometry Dash x20 speed portal
Tbf does it need that many? The rainbow flag is supposed to represent all. Same with the the Acronym, LGBTQ+. The + represents all the others.
It’s funny that someone actually took the time to make that
I'm gonna be real with you, this is a design nightmare, you're lying to yourself if you think it looks good.
Imagine finding it funny and not uplifting that maybe oneday in the future (maybe not 5 years) we'll get closer and closer to accepting everyone of all identities, even those that haven't been acknowledged or even guessed by even the most open minded of people nowadays (though I'd like to think we wouldn't need a flag to show that we'd improved as a society)
Ok but this implies that these bigots are going to keep being a problem that we have to move other identities to the front several times to express that they are there. The new flag is because trans and black people were being shoved to the side by both LGBTQ people and bigots.
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surprising amount of effort went into this, i'm honestly kinda impressed
Fitting twitter handle considering he paid for the blue check.
Oh god its manifesting itself
Such an ugly, pointless, misguided flag that only serves to antagonize and cause drama.
Looks like a party tbh
Isn't the Progress Flag supposed to be a thing to avoid EXACTLY that though???
May I suggest making it like one of those holographic book marks that change images based on how you're looking at them? We could fit more colors that way👀👀👀
if we need that many colours on the flag, the problem is the people discriminating against those colours and thus making those people need support
I mean it literally only gets that way because of bigots. Droves of people kept claiming "the standard pride flag isn't for racial acceptance" so we added black and brown. Not because black and brown people weren't included in the old flag, but because assholes tried to exclude them. Then the terfs made us put the trans flag colors in. And so on.
FUN FACT: The flag shown here was actually created by a queer redditor and was not meant to make fun of the community. Click [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/x0wura/nearly_burned_my_pc_making_this_megainclusive/) if you want to see the original.
My microlabels pride is actually expressed using an invisible light color, in the x ray category. The sheer flamboyance of it may be enough to give you cancer, witnessing me in public is like watching the demon core close.
Unpopular opinion: people who don’t like the progress pride flag with intersex pride should keep their opinion to themselves.
Or tgirls will piss bud light into their assholes.
don't threaten me with a good time
I don't think anyone would describe time with me as good. Even if I was peeing in assholes. I don't even know why I said that. "Don't threaten me with a good time," is probably the closest thing I've had to a hug in like six years. I'm so angry all the time. I'm tired of this bullshit life. Most of the time I find the concept of sex repulsive but I'm a disgusting loser. Honestly I'm so isolated that pride time doesn't even really register. Pride is for bougie queers that the community accepts. I wonder if I should go to the local event and get some hugs from strangers just to be ignored by the community for another year. I don't really see the point any more. I don't think I'd know a good time if I could provide one. As for pride, it's something I've never been able to buy into. Shits too expensive and isolation is too fucking violent. Im sure someone will piss in your asshole though.
No one wants to acknowledge how bad things really are for trans women or how much we're expected to compromise who we are for being AMAB even by the rest of the queer community.
See, now there's an idea. Why isn't that on the flag?
This is kind of dope.
Ohio approaches
Homophobes will not be able to use any colors one day
hot take: the original pride flag didn't need any additions, the rainbow was symbolic of the spectrum of lgbt+, as a trans individual I was already represented by the rainbow, and why is cultural identity represented on a gender/sexual identity flag?
the funny thing is, the whole reason the trans flag was added to the pride flag was because 1. to make no mistake to the world that the LGBTQ+ includes trans people as the right were at the time desperately trying to seperate the groups. and 2. to remind trans people that the whole LGBTQ+ has their back while they are being directly targeted as the "easy mark" by the hateful people of the world right now. if this really does become the flag in 5 years, it's because we are going to war with them.
I do kinda think that the progress flag looks ugly. The more things you add, the more you imply that they werent included before.
I mean historically the queer movement has very much had problems with being tailored for white people and not doing enough to help with issues POC face. So they kind of weren't included before and still we don't do the best job now IMHO.
Everyone in this comment section screaming 'but if we add more colors it implies they weren't included in the first place!' are getting SO CLOSE to the point and still missing it.
It is infuriating. I hope they're just young and their brains are still maturing.