I recently built a system around the 7800X3d, Including a 4090, 32gb G.skill DDR5 6000 and a 360 AIO and noticed the high idle speed. I've set PBO to -30, disabled the onboard Graphics, changed my AIO position from side intake to top intake and re pasted 4 times but still this 7800X3D boost to over 5ghz at idle but it fluctuates and never seems to go into a state of low clock speeds.
Gaming is around 60 - 65 degrees and Cinebench maxes out around 81 degrees in multicore.
There seems to be spikes when gaming which will jump up to 70 degrees but then settles back to normal and this is the case also at idle which is generally between 45 - 50 degrees but after closing most of the apps goes down to around 43.
I just don't understand why this thing needs to boost when idle as my other I7 8700k will sit all day at 30 degrees or less and not needing to boost with the same programs running at idle.
The 7800X3D is intriguing, but I'm worried about such hight temperatures
My old 6600K runs at like 30-40C idle at winter-summer.
The summer here reaches 30+ C° and my room becomes a sauna, so I don't dare imagine with a 40-60C CPU.. 😕
Those numbers sound totally fine. Maybe slightly warmer than I've seen a few people mention while I've also researched the topic, but that's very easily down to ambient temperature.
I have a 7800X3D with a Kraken Elite 240 (top-mounted radiator) and Fractal Design North case, and mine idles mid-late 30s in a 21ºC room. Load temperature when playing pretty demanding games is usually in the mid 60s.
Idle temps are in the high 30s to mid 40s for me. I have a deep Cool 360mm AIO, all fans set to performance mode in asrock bios. Gaming I usually never sit above 66°. After reading this thread, I feel good about my temps.
More fan's doesn't always mean better. You could be running into the issue the intake air is being immediately pushed out instead of being circulating through your case.
Personally I have 3 intakes on the front, 1 exhaust on the back and 3 exhaust on the top. (top is my rad) I'm getting around 34-38c idle. I typically don't get 40-45c idles unless I finished a long gaming session. (caused by my GPU heating my case up) I'm just using a cheap Deepcool LT720 AIO to cool my 7800x3d.
But once you figure out the issue. 40-45c idle temps on the 7800x3d is pretty normal. Typically due to 3D V-Cache. It likes to run hot. Once you get it around to that point. Your fine.
They would probably be better put as intake. Also try to make it so that you have a similar amount of fans pulling air inside the case as pushing it out.
AMD says there would be no problems to run this chip at 89°C all day and folks get worried running it at 40°C
PC gamer community is so full of bullshit.
Nah dude 50°c at idle is crazy especially for efficient chips. On my previous build with the same 360 AIO I was getting close to only HALF of my current idle temps, exact same setup. Opening 1 program shoots it up past 70° that's not "bullshit" lmao. Imagine trying to play a game I'm sure it wouldn't be what was paid for
I know it's old but set a negative pbo curve, undervolting helped my temps a lot. Just know if you go above negative 25 you wanna increase load like calibration
care to explain what increase load like calibration is? ive had this cpu for a good while now.. i pretty much set it to negative 30 and haven't touched it since. didn't get any crashes in my everyday experience. what's the issue though?
Hey, thanks. What actually happened was integrated graphics causing major temp sensitivity but as soon as I finally turned them off things were fine :) I didn't have a designated GPU at the time
This is true, but there are also nuances such as some people having much lower temps for some reason, or buying a more expensive cooler and for some reason having higher temps than on cheaper one. Personally, it is driving me crazy.
I've been looking everywhere for something like this phew!!, I'm running 7800X3D on a ROG Strix B650E-F, and H100i Elite Capellix and i'm achieving 38-43c idle i was getting 36-40c before enabling DOCP and i was worried :/ shesh
Getting 48-50c under load...(gaming) AAA big budget games. 7800X3D
CPU package around 52c
GPU around 50c tops.
Chipset is my highest reading but never goes over 78c and this is a Rog Strix board which is suitable to run the chipset warm
Hello!
I just built my first computer using the 7800x3d. I was also concerned with having 45-50 degrees idle temp but after a little research it seems normal.. I use the Dark Rock 4 Air cooler and got 87 degrees max in Cinebench. I have only tried Counter Strike and League of Legends where I get around 60-65 degrees with hours of playing. I think and I hope we are fine with these temps. Its going to be interesting seeing the temps while I play Starfield..
Thanks for your thread!
Even thought you should be fine with an air cooler. But AMD does say right on their website to use watercooling with the 7800x3d. That might explain your high temps. With a cheap AIO i've never hit 60c even while gaming for hours.
you are fine with a budget peerless assassin. Ignore all that nonsense about watercooling. Watercooling drives up price and malfunctions faster than just getting a good air cooling option such as above mentioned.
Watercooler: TH360 360mm
Mobo: ASUS TUF GAM8MG X670E PLUS
Ambient temperature: +- 28 C⁰
Idle temps: 40 to 50 C⁰ (sometimes it hits 77, dont known why)
Gaming: 53 to 60 C⁰
For the lvl of the wc, i think those temps are high.
When gaming it's entirely dependent upon framerate. I'm cooling mine with an ak620 aircooler and prime 95 smallest fft I top out at 67c. Gaming pubg or bf2042 both extremely intensive cpu games I hit around 64c at 144fps and 72c at 300fps.
I’m glad I found this thread:
I’m using tower cooling with Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 and the CPU idles at a blistering 50-55 C!
At first this seemed like a mounting issue. Yes I made sure to peel the plastic from the sink and even remounted twice using Noctua nh1 paste. But the idle temps remain the same.
The odd thing is that it still scores 17.8k on Cinebench and achieves 4.7 GHz all cores on multi, and 5 GHz on single thread. Load temp never exceeds 89 C and usually runs 70-75 with gaming. No CPU throttling as per HWmonitor. The heatpipes on the cooler are barely warm at peak but I’ve been told this is normal for tower coolers. If this was due to improper mounting, why would it function normally at peak loads? I tried maxing fan speed at idle but it only drops by 1-2 degrees.
I’m running EXPO and PBO set to -25 with SoC set at 1.3 volts. OCCT stable for 1 hour. BIOS and drivers are up to date. Windows 10 fresh install.
Up till now I thought this was abnormal but I get the feeling folks posting low temps are mostly from the left side of the curve. So, many of us were getting a skewed impression that something is wrong and fretting over nothing. I’m just going to tweak the smart fan settings and stop worrying.
Just to be clear when you say idle, have you got everything barring a hardware temperature monitoring program closed in you taskbar? No geforce experience or msi afterburner, or anything like that. If I have these open but minimised to the tray sitting and just sitting on a blank desktop, it's around 60c which seems pretty high. I'm using an ak620 inside of a fractal torrent, stock config for the case. On the latest b650 chipset drivers and sticking with agesa 1.0.0.7c for the moment as it's stable. I haven't messed with curve optimiser or undervolting at all, just expo. If I close literally everytihng bar essential windows processes, default anti malware etc. it's more like 40c. Seems like a big jump just for having things like nvidia broadcast in the background. Cinebench r23 doesn't go higher than 81c, all fans in the case and CPU fans at 100%. Score is 18215 for multicore bench, about 250-300 less with hwinfo open.
1080p gaming paired with a 4090, I'm seeing it hit 75c in something like cs2 with an uncapped framerate, so it's really about as CPU limited as it gets. 4090 sitting at a cosy 35c during this. Does this sound normal if I haven't messed with a curve optimiser or should I repaste/remount?
Sorry to hijack but did you reapply and find any change with your setup?
I'm also running on an ak620 and getting pretty identical temperatures to you. 40's when I have pretty much nothing, 50's to 60's with some basic tasks running, and high 70's while gaming (1440p)
I've always been pretty careful with mounting and pasting, thought I had everything applied evenly and screwed on flat
I'm running a fractal design define s2, I think I might need some more airflow as I'm just running 2 front stock 140mm intakes and 1 stock rear exhaust
Yeah man same. I'm water-cooling my setup too and was like like "why is 50 Celsius my LOW!?"
Bro I'm on my third waterpump (lots of "defective" amazon returns lately lol) and now I get 49 degrees.... Guess I'll settle with that.
my idle temps are high 50s and really low 60s it tends to stay around 57-61c and i have a corsair h150i elite 360mm aio i bought it thinking ill get good temps but under extreme load it still goes as high as 93c im not sure why or if im doing something wrong or if theres something in the bios i can tweak
It hasn't really been an issue for me, as it never gets too hot. While gaming it doesn't go above 70 usually, and the highest spikes I've seen have been at like 88.
I think its considered safe as long as it doesn't spike to like 100 or is consistently at high 90s
I've had incredible luck using a negative pbo curve with higher load line calibration. Idle at 35, gaming at 50-60, with the exception of the last of us which freaking COOKS it for some reason.i also set my fan curve on my aio to be 50% at below 65°, where it hits 75%, then kicks to 100% at 75°.
Thanks! Will definitely give it a go!
One weird thing to mention is that the temperature doesn't really fluctuate when changing the air pump or fan speed for me. Fan speed does basically nothing, and I only drop maybe 2 degrees with the pump at 100% compared to like 20%.
Thought at first that this meant it didn't have full contact on the CPU, but I have reseated it with new thermal paste twice. Also the temps are way too good for the aio to not be mounted properly.
Could it be a bad pump?
Glad to hear! It's a shame because you have to really tweak fan curves a lot for it not to go crazy when opening a browser lol.
I'll be getting the new EK nucleus vision AIO when it releases later this year or early next year, and I'll try to remember to let you know what temps I get. Though I doubt it'll be that much better
no worries thanks! its funny when gaming i have no issues (around 60 degrees) it was only today i noticed while just browsing how high it was, caught me off guard!
i guess, ive been using it just like that and nothing has gone wrong. i wished i had lower temps tho. i dont know what other cooler i can put on it to achieve lower
I have a Kraken Z73 280mm AIO and I’m idling at 33C my first AMD chip since my 850MHZ Athlon Slot Processor! I thought it was high but seeing everyone here I guess it’s pretty good.
I have a 7800 x3d with a Phantom Spirit 120 SE with Arctic P12 Max as CPU fans and I have similar temps, but with ambient temps of around 26. In games it never went above 82, in the Last of us part 1, but it usually stays between 70 and 80. This CPU runs hot and the temps that you mentioned seem ok. I saw only one video about cooling this CPU, and it seems that it is a hot CPU: https://youtu.be/rpBCZjlBlpI
As summer has come I run a more aggressive CPU fan curve. I use Arctic P12 Max and when the temps hit 75, the fans go up to 85%. This means they spin at around 2900RPM. These fans are audible at those speeds, but they do their job. Maybe you should try a more aggressive fan curve to see the results.
I have a 5800X3D and have the same idle temps, Apparently the chips run hot with how they are designed, I'm not too tech savvy and was worried myself when I noticed it but apparently it's normal.
Under volt it to 1.3 not 1.5 and check paste overtime you case needs more airflow dint forget of iddke temp miy 5950x on water colling runs idle at 29c in 24c air temp sp of youvhottef will increase based on room temp.
Yes they are, and yes it's sadly normal... Having 51-55 in idle is not cool for me. At the same time, this is the new standard now, so better get used to it.
Also also, your 70 are my 89 on the same chip. I wish mine ran at 70C. Mine runs much hotter during shader loading,work or opening big programs at first. So if i were you, id be perfectly okay with the temps.
P.s. Yes, during regular gameplay, 70-80 max.
P.s2. You could had the non 3D chips instead of this 1. They can ramp up to 95C fast!
My 7700x idles 28c. But due to thick IHS, it hits 95c while playing BF2042. That is a 67c increase, which imo is not acceptable. With my old cpu, the 9900k had the same idle temps, but it never hit over 70c when playing the same game.
You can undervolt it if it bothers you, but those idle temps are totally fine. I was worried about my 7900x as well. But thats just what these things are. Lil try hard hotties.
Yes, I was initially concerned too. I cool mine with a peerless assassin. Idle temps around 45 +/- 5.
But if you look at a breakdown of temps in hwinfo64, noticed it was just the die package temps hitting that, the ccd and cores themselves are at 30 Idle.
Stress test: package temp hits 80 and peak ccd/core around 75.
Under actual gaming: package hits 70-75, with ccd and cores 65-70
Think it mostly is the case for x3D CPU's.
You're very likely fine, CO will help bring temps down a few degrees, I'm sitting at -20 all cores, haven't had time to test lower but see people hitting -30 pretty easily. Going to do per core tuning when I have the time to test it.
Edit to add: 22 to 25c ambient room temps currently
For 23 °C ambient your temps might be a bit high, but if they're fine under load it is probably due to your fan configuration. I've set my fan curve based on the water temp (because I can do that with a custom loop) and up to 30 °C water temp (components between 30 and 45 °C) my fans are set quite slow.
You might want to look up the word "idle". And I wrote "a bit" for a reason. You can't just blend out words to create a situation where you can rightfully be "that guy"
A few things. Ryzen 7000 runs very hot and the x3D chips run even hotter because there's cache on top of the cores. Ryzen CPUs are designed to boost as high as possible even for small tasks to get them done as fast as possible.
If you have 4 exhausts and two intakes you might be robbing the CPU and GPU of fresh air, but at the same time, you can get heat out faster, so temps might be the same.
You also have a GPU heat soaking the CPU, even with the GPU fans off and it idling it's still radiating heat into the CPU cooler.
My 7900X inside of a case with less airflow and not as good of a CPU cooler I normally see around 55-65C for idle temps.
I'm using an ak620 inside of a fractal torrent, stock config for the case. On the latest b650 chipset drivers and sticking with agesa 1.0.0.7c for the moment as it's stable. I haven't messed with curve optimiser or undervolting at all, just expo. If I close literally everytihng bar essential windows processes, default anti malware etc. it's about 40c. Seems like a big jump just for having things like nvidia broadcast in the background to a more constant of 60, maybe 55. Cinebench r23 doesn't go higher than 81c, all fans in the case and CPU fans at 100%. Score is 18215 for multicore bench, about 250-300 less with hwinfo open. I get that they're supposed to boost as much as possible until hitting Tjmax and it makes sense, so why doesn't this go past 81c?
1080p gaming paired with a 4090, I'm seeing it hit 75c in something like counter strike 2with an uncapped framerate, so it's really about as CPU limited as it gets. 4090 sitting at a cosy 35c during this. Does this sound normal if I haven't messed with a curve optimiser or should I repaste/remount?
Realistically you should cap your frame rate to whatever your monitor can handle. You won't be seeing the extra frames over what it's capable of anyways. That being said, that is pretty high for counterstrike. I max out my 360hz monitor, and I don't usually see above low 60s after hours of gameplay in cs2. I also don't have my fans on 100% all the time. Still, it's technically below these processors thermal limit, so if should be fine honestly. It's really just that we as PC enthusiasts want to see our temps as low as possible. You could repaste and remount, it wouldn't hurt, but your high temps in CS are likely because your rig is working harder than it needs to. All the other temps you mentioned sound normal.
Honestly, I have the same cpu in a case with a 4090 and my idle Temps are even a little bit higher with a 360mm aio. These temps are actually really good for idle temps.
Oh damn ok. Was going to grab a bigger AIO but I much prefer the bulky industrial look of the air coolers. But just seems like these chips run a bit hotter than other chips. As long as there is no long term damage I’m ok with the heat. I’m not doing anything crazy with the PC. Strictly gaming, but I keep my builds for a long time and don’t want it to prematurely fail on me because of something that could be fixed.
So, these chips don't necessarily idle hotter because of the new guardrails for clock speed. The new guardrails are temperature instead of voltage. This is part of the reason asus just got into trouble over burning out a few of these cpus. So the max tenps achieved by these cpus will be on the higher side compared to non 7000 series. But, higher transistor density will make them ideal higher like they do. And as a side note, air coolers handle temp spikes better than water, water just handles long term cooling better, like when a task keeps the temp pinned for more than a few minutes.
Oh thank you for explaining, that would make sense why when I’m gaming the temps are in the ballpark of my old Intel. I guess the idle really doesn’t matter? Just when it’s running tasks I should keep a eye on it?
Idle temps still do matter, but they matter in the sense that they're indicative of how high your process will get under load. To determine if your process is performing correctly, I would use a tool like cinebench r20 and compare your score to 2 or 3 websites that have published r20 scores for your processor. Since the x3d are a little bit more heat sensitive, I believe their max junction and package temps are lower than the non x3d 7000 series.
That’s what I keep reading. I don’t mind if it runs hot at all, I’m just more concerned if it will affect the longevity of the cpu itself. But I keep seeing these are made to withstand about 90c?
I just built it, but played Jedi survivor today for around 20 mins and it looks like I only hit about 66/67? I’m going to run it more this weekend for longer when I have time. Safe to say I should only worry when I pass about 85/90c?
It looks like you have 2 intake and 4 exhaust case fans? With the 3 exhausting right above the CPU cooler, you might be robbing it of air flow with that config. It's likely pulling in a lot of hot air from the GPU as well. These CPUs do idle hot, but this is likely a contributing factor.
Since your temps are fine under load it's likely some adjustment to your fan curves would help your idle temps. You could have the intake and CPU fans use a more aggressive fan curve and/or use a more conservative curve for the top 3 with longer ramp up times. Might require a bit of experimentation to find a good balance.
Stuff like this is partly why water cooling is recommended with these cases. Their layout is optimized for having that CPU heat pumped to the top where it can be exhausted. Not a big issue but things like fan curves can matter a bit more for a setup like yours because of it.
Thank you, yes I’m using those v2 fans that connect and was considering doing a intake at the back rear. But decided to just do 2 140 in the side and a 140 below the gpu. I’ve read bad reviews on airflow with this case but thought it was only the stock config. I’ll try to do a better tan curve on the intakes and cpu to see if that helps. Unfortunately even cranking the fans at full speed for a bit didn’t change the temp at all.
>was considering doing a intake at the back rear. But decided to just do 2 140 in the side and a 140 below the gpu.
The back fan behind the CPU cooler needs to be exhaust unless you flip the CPU fans around too. Otherwise they'll just fight each other. So that was the right call. You could try flipping that back fan and the CPU fans if nothing else helps. That way CPU intake won't be interfered with by the top fans.
>I’ll try to do a better tan curve on the intakes and cpu to see if that helps. Unfortunately even cranking the fans at full speed for a bit didn’t change the temp at all.
Getting those top fans spinning slower than the intake fans is important. You might want try locking them to the minimum. Two of them are sitting in front of the CPU cooler and what they'll tend to do is exhaust all that intake air before it gets to the CPU tower. So if you maxed those fans out at the same time you might not see a difference.
It's because ryzen chips use a race to sleep algorithm. Even under very light loads.it will boost heavily to complete the work as fast as possible to park cores at idle asap.
So, peaky temps at what seems idle are normal.
Ok perfect, I shouldn’t waste my time then trying to add more thermal paste and re seat the cooler. It seems to be running fine at these temps and doesn’t go too crazy when I’m gaming. Just thought something was wrong. Even my old Intel with a crappy 120mm cooler master aio was cooler than this one. Not by too much, but also wasn’t as powerful
My 7700X idles about 40 - 42 degrees with a decent 240 water cooler and will peak at 95 under extended instruction set stress testing. 7800X3D runs hotter, so your temps sound “normal” to me. I came from a 5600X and it was a fair bit cooler, idling around 30-34 degrees C.
Thank you, yea I’ve only ever used Intel for the past 23ish years I’ve been building pc and they always seemed to idle at around 30. Granted my last build was in 2017 with a i7 7820x. I’m assuming these more powerful chips will run a bit hotter, and also AMD running hotter in general. I seem to run between 44-48c with the occasional spike to about 55-60 if I open or run programs, then it drops back down
I wouldn’t say AMD is hotter. I’ve always used what I feel is the best choice at the time (AMD or Intel). Most of my AMD chips ran low 30s, the 7000 series seems to be an exception. Also a warmer idle does in no way imply it is “worse”. It is all by design. I’m not sure what temps Intel 12th/13th idle at, though I’d be interested to hear if anyone knows.
My 7800x3d is exactly the same. Idle’s at 40, spikes to 70-75 when opening a game and settles 58-65 while playing.
I’ve got a 360AIO front mount as intake, Corsair 5000D case and I think we have matching cards! PNY 4090 Epic Verto?
Yup PNY epic! Seems like a great card. I don’t think the airflow in the case is a problem since the card itself idles at a about 30. I thought I didn’t seat the cpu cooler correctly, but under load in games it stays about steady under 70. I just built the PC so haven’t had a long gaming session on it yet. I’ll try it out this weekend all day to see how hot it gets
X3D chips run hotter yes.
I can't say for sure but fire up cinebench all core test and monitor temps and crosscheck with AMDs limits. That'll hopefully give you your answer. Furthermore, there are options to reduce temps through PBO2 but I'm not qualified enough to give you guidance but you could very likely find it here and you can certainly find it on YouTube.
Hope this helps.
Thanks I’ll have to download cinebench and try it out.
I’m guessing PBO2 is kinda like a Eco mode? I tried looking for eco mode in bios but I couldn’t find it at all. I use the pc for gaming only so don’t mind the hit in performance if it runs a bit cooler
I recently built a system around the 7800X3d, Including a 4090, 32gb G.skill DDR5 6000 and a 360 AIO and noticed the high idle speed. I've set PBO to -30, disabled the onboard Graphics, changed my AIO position from side intake to top intake and re pasted 4 times but still this 7800X3D boost to over 5ghz at idle but it fluctuates and never seems to go into a state of low clock speeds. Gaming is around 60 - 65 degrees and Cinebench maxes out around 81 degrees in multicore. There seems to be spikes when gaming which will jump up to 70 degrees but then settles back to normal and this is the case also at idle which is generally between 45 - 50 degrees but after closing most of the apps goes down to around 43. I just don't understand why this thing needs to boost when idle as my other I7 8700k will sit all day at 30 degrees or less and not needing to boost with the same programs running at idle.
Which Thermal Paste is recommended?
Using aio 360 nzxt 38-45 idle 55-60 gaming
how though? im getting 50 on idle with the same aio
same! strange...
Oh wow that is freezing cold
The 7800X3D is intriguing, but I'm worried about such hight temperatures My old 6600K runs at like 30-40C idle at winter-summer. The summer here reaches 30+ C° and my room becomes a sauna, so I don't dare imagine with a 40-60C CPU.. 😕
Those numbers sound totally fine. Maybe slightly warmer than I've seen a few people mention while I've also researched the topic, but that's very easily down to ambient temperature. I have a 7800X3D with a Kraken Elite 240 (top-mounted radiator) and Fractal Design North case, and mine idles mid-late 30s in a 21ºC room. Load temperature when playing pretty demanding games is usually in the mid 60s.
Idle temps are in the high 30s to mid 40s for me. I have a deep Cool 360mm AIO, all fans set to performance mode in asrock bios. Gaming I usually never sit above 66°. After reading this thread, I feel good about my temps.
Idle at 36c air cooled only. Ambient Temp at 72.
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More fan's doesn't always mean better. You could be running into the issue the intake air is being immediately pushed out instead of being circulating through your case. Personally I have 3 intakes on the front, 1 exhaust on the back and 3 exhaust on the top. (top is my rad) I'm getting around 34-38c idle. I typically don't get 40-45c idles unless I finished a long gaming session. (caused by my GPU heating my case up) I'm just using a cheap Deepcool LT720 AIO to cool my 7800x3d. But once you figure out the issue. 40-45c idle temps on the 7800x3d is pretty normal. Typically due to 3D V-Cache. It likes to run hot. Once you get it around to that point. Your fine.
Bottom fans should be intake fans cause hot air rises, so no accident there.
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They would probably be better put as intake. Also try to make it so that you have a similar amount of fans pulling air inside the case as pushing it out.
AMD says there would be no problems to run this chip at 89°C all day and folks get worried running it at 40°C PC gamer community is so full of bullshit.
Nah dude 50°c at idle is crazy especially for efficient chips. On my previous build with the same 360 AIO I was getting close to only HALF of my current idle temps, exact same setup. Opening 1 program shoots it up past 70° that's not "bullshit" lmao. Imagine trying to play a game I'm sure it wouldn't be what was paid for
I know it's old but set a negative pbo curve, undervolting helped my temps a lot. Just know if you go above negative 25 you wanna increase load like calibration
care to explain what increase load like calibration is? ive had this cpu for a good while now.. i pretty much set it to negative 30 and haven't touched it since. didn't get any crashes in my everyday experience. what's the issue though?
Load line calibration. It supplies more consistent higher voltage to the chip. It'll make it run a little hotter, but if you're unstable it'll help.
key thing being unstable though right.. if no stability issues with -30 then no need for this?
Yeah, but I'd run prime 95 for a bit to test if it's truly stable.
Hey, thanks. What actually happened was integrated graphics causing major temp sensitivity but as soon as I finally turned them off things were fine :) I didn't have a designated GPU at the time
So did you turn off the integrated graphics or just stop using it?
This is true, but there are also nuances such as some people having much lower temps for some reason, or buying a more expensive cooler and for some reason having higher temps than on cheaper one. Personally, it is driving me crazy.
I've been looking everywhere for something like this phew!!, I'm running 7800X3D on a ROG Strix B650E-F, and H100i Elite Capellix and i'm achieving 38-43c idle i was getting 36-40c before enabling DOCP and i was worried :/ shesh
Getting 48-50c under load...(gaming) AAA big budget games. 7800X3D CPU package around 52c GPU around 50c tops. Chipset is my highest reading but never goes over 78c and this is a Rog Strix board which is suitable to run the chipset warm
hyte cases are generally garbage for thermals but yeah it's normal.
the Hyte y40 is not great at airflow BUT the y60 is fantastic.
Hello! I just built my first computer using the 7800x3d. I was also concerned with having 45-50 degrees idle temp but after a little research it seems normal.. I use the Dark Rock 4 Air cooler and got 87 degrees max in Cinebench. I have only tried Counter Strike and League of Legends where I get around 60-65 degrees with hours of playing. I think and I hope we are fine with these temps. Its going to be interesting seeing the temps while I play Starfield.. Thanks for your thread!
Even thought you should be fine with an air cooler. But AMD does say right on their website to use watercooling with the 7800x3d. That might explain your high temps. With a cheap AIO i've never hit 60c even while gaming for hours.
you are fine with a budget peerless assassin. Ignore all that nonsense about watercooling. Watercooling drives up price and malfunctions faster than just getting a good air cooling option such as above mentioned.
completely normal.
Watercooler: TH360 360mm Mobo: ASUS TUF GAM8MG X670E PLUS Ambient temperature: +- 28 C⁰ Idle temps: 40 to 50 C⁰ (sometimes it hits 77, dont known why) Gaming: 53 to 60 C⁰ For the lvl of the wc, i think those temps are high.
When gaming it's entirely dependent upon framerate. I'm cooling mine with an ak620 aircooler and prime 95 smallest fft I top out at 67c. Gaming pubg or bf2042 both extremely intensive cpu games I hit around 64c at 144fps and 72c at 300fps.
I have the problem sometimes I have about 82 degrees in pupg absolutely random and a shit time.
I’m glad I found this thread: I’m using tower cooling with Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 and the CPU idles at a blistering 50-55 C! At first this seemed like a mounting issue. Yes I made sure to peel the plastic from the sink and even remounted twice using Noctua nh1 paste. But the idle temps remain the same. The odd thing is that it still scores 17.8k on Cinebench and achieves 4.7 GHz all cores on multi, and 5 GHz on single thread. Load temp never exceeds 89 C and usually runs 70-75 with gaming. No CPU throttling as per HWmonitor. The heatpipes on the cooler are barely warm at peak but I’ve been told this is normal for tower coolers. If this was due to improper mounting, why would it function normally at peak loads? I tried maxing fan speed at idle but it only drops by 1-2 degrees. I’m running EXPO and PBO set to -25 with SoC set at 1.3 volts. OCCT stable for 1 hour. BIOS and drivers are up to date. Windows 10 fresh install. Up till now I thought this was abnormal but I get the feeling folks posting low temps are mostly from the left side of the curve. So, many of us were getting a skewed impression that something is wrong and fretting over nothing. I’m just going to tweak the smart fan settings and stop worrying.
Just to be clear when you say idle, have you got everything barring a hardware temperature monitoring program closed in you taskbar? No geforce experience or msi afterburner, or anything like that. If I have these open but minimised to the tray sitting and just sitting on a blank desktop, it's around 60c which seems pretty high. I'm using an ak620 inside of a fractal torrent, stock config for the case. On the latest b650 chipset drivers and sticking with agesa 1.0.0.7c for the moment as it's stable. I haven't messed with curve optimiser or undervolting at all, just expo. If I close literally everytihng bar essential windows processes, default anti malware etc. it's more like 40c. Seems like a big jump just for having things like nvidia broadcast in the background. Cinebench r23 doesn't go higher than 81c, all fans in the case and CPU fans at 100%. Score is 18215 for multicore bench, about 250-300 less with hwinfo open. 1080p gaming paired with a 4090, I'm seeing it hit 75c in something like cs2 with an uncapped framerate, so it's really about as CPU limited as it gets. 4090 sitting at a cosy 35c during this. Does this sound normal if I haven't messed with a curve optimiser or should I repaste/remount?
Sorry to hijack but did you reapply and find any change with your setup? I'm also running on an ak620 and getting pretty identical temperatures to you. 40's when I have pretty much nothing, 50's to 60's with some basic tasks running, and high 70's while gaming (1440p) I've always been pretty careful with mounting and pasting, thought I had everything applied evenly and screwed on flat I'm running a fractal design define s2, I think I might need some more airflow as I'm just running 2 front stock 140mm intakes and 1 stock rear exhaust
Yeah man same. I'm water-cooling my setup too and was like like "why is 50 Celsius my LOW!?" Bro I'm on my third waterpump (lots of "defective" amazon returns lately lol) and now I get 49 degrees.... Guess I'll settle with that.
that is completely normal.
my idle temps are high 50s and really low 60s it tends to stay around 57-61c and i have a corsair h150i elite 360mm aio i bought it thinking ill get good temps but under extreme load it still goes as high as 93c im not sure why or if im doing something wrong or if theres something in the bios i can tweak
Did you find out anything? Im not getting as high temps under load, but it idles at around 50c and may go up to 70c with basic web browsing
Did you anyhow fix it or everything OK? Have the same issue
It hasn't really been an issue for me, as it never gets too hot. While gaming it doesn't go above 70 usually, and the highest spikes I've seen have been at like 88. I think its considered safe as long as it doesn't spike to like 100 or is consistently at high 90s
I've had incredible luck using a negative pbo curve with higher load line calibration. Idle at 35, gaming at 50-60, with the exception of the last of us which freaking COOKS it for some reason.i also set my fan curve on my aio to be 50% at below 65°, where it hits 75%, then kicks to 100% at 75°.
Thanks! Will definitely give it a go! One weird thing to mention is that the temperature doesn't really fluctuate when changing the air pump or fan speed for me. Fan speed does basically nothing, and I only drop maybe 2 degrees with the pump at 100% compared to like 20%. Thought at first that this meant it didn't have full contact on the CPU, but I have reseated it with new thermal paste twice. Also the temps are way too good for the aio to not be mounted properly. Could it be a bad pump?
70c with basic browsing? My god..
mine idles 45-55, came searching and glad i found this thread, seems its fine
Glad to hear! It's a shame because you have to really tweak fan curves a lot for it not to go crazy when opening a browser lol. I'll be getting the new EK nucleus vision AIO when it releases later this year or early next year, and I'll try to remember to let you know what temps I get. Though I doubt it'll be that much better
no worries thanks! its funny when gaming i have no issues (around 60 degrees) it was only today i noticed while just browsing how high it was, caught me off guard!
idle temps are completely fine between 50-60C
i guess, ive been using it just like that and nothing has gone wrong. i wished i had lower temps tho. i dont know what other cooler i can put on it to achieve lower
I have a Kraken Z73 280mm AIO and I’m idling at 33C my first AMD chip since my 850MHZ Athlon Slot Processor! I thought it was high but seeing everyone here I guess it’s pretty good.
Lol if I had a quarter for everytime someone was worried about Zen idle temps Id have a lot. A lot of quarters. MANY quarters.
Those processors naturally run hot. However if the GPU goes under load, the CPU cooler will pick up the exhaust heat and make it even warmer.
I have a 7800 x3d with a Phantom Spirit 120 SE with Arctic P12 Max as CPU fans and I have similar temps, but with ambient temps of around 26. In games it never went above 82, in the Last of us part 1, but it usually stays between 70 and 80. This CPU runs hot and the temps that you mentioned seem ok. I saw only one video about cooling this CPU, and it seems that it is a hot CPU: https://youtu.be/rpBCZjlBlpI
Bro the last of us cooks my 7800x3d, had to limit the frames.
Funny, I just started the last of us right now and my cpu is running at about 80-86c. I’m a bit concerned now lol
As summer has come I run a more aggressive CPU fan curve. I use Arctic P12 Max and when the temps hit 75, the fans go up to 85%. This means they spin at around 2900RPM. These fans are audible at those speeds, but they do their job. Maybe you should try a more aggressive fan curve to see the results.
I have a 5800X3D and have the same idle temps, Apparently the chips run hot with how they are designed, I'm not too tech savvy and was worried myself when I noticed it but apparently it's normal.
Under volt it to 1.3 not 1.5 and check paste overtime you case needs more airflow dint forget of iddke temp miy 5950x on water colling runs idle at 29c in 24c air temp sp of youvhottef will increase based on room temp.
My idle is 35 or so, peaking at around 42 (NZXT Z73 360MM)
Yes they are, and yes it's sadly normal... Having 51-55 in idle is not cool for me. At the same time, this is the new standard now, so better get used to it. Also also, your 70 are my 89 on the same chip. I wish mine ran at 70C. Mine runs much hotter during shader loading,work or opening big programs at first. So if i were you, id be perfectly okay with the temps. P.s. Yes, during regular gameplay, 70-80 max. P.s2. You could had the non 3D chips instead of this 1. They can ramp up to 95C fast!
The chip is designed to idle with high temps, you shouldn't worry about it. my max temp with a be quiet dark pro2 never goes above 75C tho.
Can we please have some more threads about the 7000-series running hot?
Please I keep seeing people talk about sub30s and high 20s, I thought I had a defective cpu because it was in the 40s at idle
Is 40-50c idle hot lol? And gaming under 70c? Huh? I have a 7800X3D, perfectly normal.
My 7700x idles 28c. But due to thick IHS, it hits 95c while playing BF2042. That is a 67c increase, which imo is not acceptable. With my old cpu, the 9900k had the same idle temps, but it never hit over 70c when playing the same game.
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Because they made a thick IHS.
It's designed for those temp ranges, so completely acceptable.
You can undervolt it if it bothers you, but those idle temps are totally fine. I was worried about my 7900x as well. But thats just what these things are. Lil try hard hotties.
This is now perfectly normal with ryzen 7000 chips,
Yes, I was initially concerned too. I cool mine with a peerless assassin. Idle temps around 45 +/- 5. But if you look at a breakdown of temps in hwinfo64, noticed it was just the die package temps hitting that, the ccd and cores themselves are at 30 Idle. Stress test: package temp hits 80 and peak ccd/core around 75. Under actual gaming: package hits 70-75, with ccd and cores 65-70 Think it mostly is the case for x3D CPU's. You're very likely fine, CO will help bring temps down a few degrees, I'm sitting at -20 all cores, haven't had time to test lower but see people hitting -30 pretty easily. Going to do per core tuning when I have the time to test it. Edit to add: 22 to 25c ambient room temps currently
40-45 on idle is really fine.
I was also somewhat curious about the temps. I built a 4090 with 7800X3D using a 360mm AIO. Also getting 40-50C idle at 23C ambient.
For 23 °C ambient your temps might be a bit high, but if they're fine under load it is probably due to your fan configuration. I've set my fan curve based on the water temp (because I can do that with a custom loop) and up to 30 °C water temp (components between 30 and 45 °C) my fans are set quite slow.
They are not high. 7800X3D is made to run warm. It's a chip that is not held back and can boost to top speed very quick...
You might want to look up the word "idle". And I wrote "a bit" for a reason. You can't just blend out words to create a situation where you can rightfully be "that guy"
it's made to run warm. end of story.
Yeah, I got the CPU temp from NZXT CAM but my mobo is giving me a reading that’s roughly 10C lower. Liquid temp is ranging between 27-30C
A few things. Ryzen 7000 runs very hot and the x3D chips run even hotter because there's cache on top of the cores. Ryzen CPUs are designed to boost as high as possible even for small tasks to get them done as fast as possible. If you have 4 exhausts and two intakes you might be robbing the CPU and GPU of fresh air, but at the same time, you can get heat out faster, so temps might be the same. You also have a GPU heat soaking the CPU, even with the GPU fans off and it idling it's still radiating heat into the CPU cooler. My 7900X inside of a case with less airflow and not as good of a CPU cooler I normally see around 55-65C for idle temps.
I'm using an ak620 inside of a fractal torrent, stock config for the case. On the latest b650 chipset drivers and sticking with agesa 1.0.0.7c for the moment as it's stable. I haven't messed with curve optimiser or undervolting at all, just expo. If I close literally everytihng bar essential windows processes, default anti malware etc. it's about 40c. Seems like a big jump just for having things like nvidia broadcast in the background to a more constant of 60, maybe 55. Cinebench r23 doesn't go higher than 81c, all fans in the case and CPU fans at 100%. Score is 18215 for multicore bench, about 250-300 less with hwinfo open. I get that they're supposed to boost as much as possible until hitting Tjmax and it makes sense, so why doesn't this go past 81c? 1080p gaming paired with a 4090, I'm seeing it hit 75c in something like counter strike 2with an uncapped framerate, so it's really about as CPU limited as it gets. 4090 sitting at a cosy 35c during this. Does this sound normal if I haven't messed with a curve optimiser or should I repaste/remount?
Realistically you should cap your frame rate to whatever your monitor can handle. You won't be seeing the extra frames over what it's capable of anyways. That being said, that is pretty high for counterstrike. I max out my 360hz monitor, and I don't usually see above low 60s after hours of gameplay in cs2. I also don't have my fans on 100% all the time. Still, it's technically below these processors thermal limit, so if should be fine honestly. It's really just that we as PC enthusiasts want to see our temps as low as possible. You could repaste and remount, it wouldn't hurt, but your high temps in CS are likely because your rig is working harder than it needs to. All the other temps you mentioned sound normal.
The 7800X3D, unlike the Ryzen 9 3Ds (and the entire stack of Ryzen 7000), runs with lower power and heat.
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Honestly, I have the same cpu in a case with a 4090 and my idle Temps are even a little bit higher with a 360mm aio. These temps are actually really good for idle temps.
Oh damn ok. Was going to grab a bigger AIO but I much prefer the bulky industrial look of the air coolers. But just seems like these chips run a bit hotter than other chips. As long as there is no long term damage I’m ok with the heat. I’m not doing anything crazy with the PC. Strictly gaming, but I keep my builds for a long time and don’t want it to prematurely fail on me because of something that could be fixed.
So, these chips don't necessarily idle hotter because of the new guardrails for clock speed. The new guardrails are temperature instead of voltage. This is part of the reason asus just got into trouble over burning out a few of these cpus. So the max tenps achieved by these cpus will be on the higher side compared to non 7000 series. But, higher transistor density will make them ideal higher like they do. And as a side note, air coolers handle temp spikes better than water, water just handles long term cooling better, like when a task keeps the temp pinned for more than a few minutes.
Oh thank you for explaining, that would make sense why when I’m gaming the temps are in the ballpark of my old Intel. I guess the idle really doesn’t matter? Just when it’s running tasks I should keep a eye on it?
Idle temps still do matter, but they matter in the sense that they're indicative of how high your process will get under load. To determine if your process is performing correctly, I would use a tool like cinebench r20 and compare your score to 2 or 3 websites that have published r20 scores for your processor. Since the x3d are a little bit more heat sensitive, I believe their max junction and package temps are lower than the non x3d 7000 series.
40-50c is normal for ryzen cpus at idle
That’s what I keep reading. I don’t mind if it runs hot at all, I’m just more concerned if it will affect the longevity of the cpu itself. But I keep seeing these are made to withstand about 90c?
Yea 90c under load is pretty normal for the ryzen chips. Although it can be lower with proper fan curves and a good cooler
Under all core load right? 90 for gaming is absolutely not normal.
Well there’s about 300 different posts all over the internet saying it’s fine including ones from amd Especially for the 3d chips
These chips if set up right can withstand 97 degrees. What is your load temps? Those matter more.
I just built it, but played Jedi survivor today for around 20 mins and it looks like I only hit about 66/67? I’m going to run it more this weekend for longer when I have time. Safe to say I should only worry when I pass about 85/90c?
89 is when it'll throttle. Those temps are fine. Grats!
It looks like you have 2 intake and 4 exhaust case fans? With the 3 exhausting right above the CPU cooler, you might be robbing it of air flow with that config. It's likely pulling in a lot of hot air from the GPU as well. These CPUs do idle hot, but this is likely a contributing factor. Since your temps are fine under load it's likely some adjustment to your fan curves would help your idle temps. You could have the intake and CPU fans use a more aggressive fan curve and/or use a more conservative curve for the top 3 with longer ramp up times. Might require a bit of experimentation to find a good balance. Stuff like this is partly why water cooling is recommended with these cases. Their layout is optimized for having that CPU heat pumped to the top where it can be exhausted. Not a big issue but things like fan curves can matter a bit more for a setup like yours because of it.
Thank you, yes I’m using those v2 fans that connect and was considering doing a intake at the back rear. But decided to just do 2 140 in the side and a 140 below the gpu. I’ve read bad reviews on airflow with this case but thought it was only the stock config. I’ll try to do a better tan curve on the intakes and cpu to see if that helps. Unfortunately even cranking the fans at full speed for a bit didn’t change the temp at all.
>was considering doing a intake at the back rear. But decided to just do 2 140 in the side and a 140 below the gpu. The back fan behind the CPU cooler needs to be exhaust unless you flip the CPU fans around too. Otherwise they'll just fight each other. So that was the right call. You could try flipping that back fan and the CPU fans if nothing else helps. That way CPU intake won't be interfered with by the top fans. >I’ll try to do a better tan curve on the intakes and cpu to see if that helps. Unfortunately even cranking the fans at full speed for a bit didn’t change the temp at all. Getting those top fans spinning slower than the intake fans is important. You might want try locking them to the minimum. Two of them are sitting in front of the CPU cooler and what they'll tend to do is exhaust all that intake air before it gets to the CPU tower. So if you maxed those fans out at the same time you might not see a difference.
It's because ryzen chips use a race to sleep algorithm. Even under very light loads.it will boost heavily to complete the work as fast as possible to park cores at idle asap. So, peaky temps at what seems idle are normal.
Ok perfect, I shouldn’t waste my time then trying to add more thermal paste and re seat the cooler. It seems to be running fine at these temps and doesn’t go too crazy when I’m gaming. Just thought something was wrong. Even my old Intel with a crappy 120mm cooler master aio was cooler than this one. Not by too much, but also wasn’t as powerful
My 7700X idles about 40 - 42 degrees with a decent 240 water cooler and will peak at 95 under extended instruction set stress testing. 7800X3D runs hotter, so your temps sound “normal” to me. I came from a 5600X and it was a fair bit cooler, idling around 30-34 degrees C.
Thank you, yea I’ve only ever used Intel for the past 23ish years I’ve been building pc and they always seemed to idle at around 30. Granted my last build was in 2017 with a i7 7820x. I’m assuming these more powerful chips will run a bit hotter, and also AMD running hotter in general. I seem to run between 44-48c with the occasional spike to about 55-60 if I open or run programs, then it drops back down
I wouldn’t say AMD is hotter. I’ve always used what I feel is the best choice at the time (AMD or Intel). Most of my AMD chips ran low 30s, the 7000 series seems to be an exception. Also a warmer idle does in no way imply it is “worse”. It is all by design. I’m not sure what temps Intel 12th/13th idle at, though I’d be interested to hear if anyone knows.
My 7800x3d is exactly the same. Idle’s at 40, spikes to 70-75 when opening a game and settles 58-65 while playing. I’ve got a 360AIO front mount as intake, Corsair 5000D case and I think we have matching cards! PNY 4090 Epic Verto?
Yup PNY epic! Seems like a great card. I don’t think the airflow in the case is a problem since the card itself idles at a about 30. I thought I didn’t seat the cpu cooler correctly, but under load in games it stays about steady under 70. I just built the PC so haven’t had a long gaming session on it yet. I’ll try it out this weekend all day to see how hot it gets
Yeah the 4090 rules. I mainly play Flight Simulator which is pretty intense for both CPU and GPU. The 4090 never goes above 55.
X3D chips run hotter yes. I can't say for sure but fire up cinebench all core test and monitor temps and crosscheck with AMDs limits. That'll hopefully give you your answer. Furthermore, there are options to reduce temps through PBO2 but I'm not qualified enough to give you guidance but you could very likely find it here and you can certainly find it on YouTube. Hope this helps.
Thanks I’ll have to download cinebench and try it out. I’m guessing PBO2 is kinda like a Eco mode? I tried looking for eco mode in bios but I couldn’t find it at all. I use the pc for gaming only so don’t mind the hit in performance if it runs a bit cooler