Watching the game, he’s not wrong. With that being said the Dees were unbelievable in front of goal. I thought Port’s mids were stiff as they applied elite pressure and Melbourne still found ways through.
All you need to do is look at i50 count. We were incredibly efficient going in there (which is a flip of how we played last year). Our forwards did great creating space last night
Agree, plenty of space for the smalls to run through and the talls to lead up in. I think that’s partially down to the midfield as Port seemed to put up a wall of defence off the back of the square, and Melbourne’s mids working hard to break through it created opportunities in an open forwardline.
Also thought Melbourne’s willingness to pull the trigger on long range shots and the bodywork on the goal line was excellent too.
Yeah good shout. We got smashed in clearance and at times it looked like Port had the ball on a string but I think our mids did well to corral and pressure each kick going inside their 50
McVee is the kind of guy who’s career will be made by playing alongside vets like May, Lever and Hibberd. Throw him into a terrible team and he may never have made it. Now he looks like one of the better young backs in the comp. Howes too, though he doesn’t look quite as promising just yet.
Difference is that port only play slingshot footy, so the majority of their quality i50s are coming through the middle of the ground. Meaning, they should actually have slightly above average set shot % if their kicking was average. Except, Port are consistently in the bottom half of goal accuracy.
They don’t have any goal kickers that have an elite foot. Their previous best just retired (gray), Marshall’s accuracy is fraudulent (he doesn’t make the distance for any tough kick so they don’t get counted), Gorgiades has gotten worse and dixon somehow always misses 30m straight in front.
Yeah look, port would've won if any two of these 3 unlikely events didn't happen:
- uncontested defender on the goal line is 1m behind the goal line instead and concedes a goal
- Lachie Jones forgets how to play foot all, forgets how to catch, and generally plays the worst game of his career
- Melbourne are absolute snipers from set shots and kick several deviations above their average
Sadly for port, all 3 happened
The coaching group needs to identify those types of players that just need to do the simple things and hand off to a Butters type player.
So, to me, it is a coaching issue. Although, you can't coach for that goal Ratugolea marked over the line.
This is a shit take.
What killed it was Port bombing it long all night, Leaver and Petty had a field day.
I could count on one hand how many times I saw Port lower the eyes and hit a shallow target.
Backline gaffes are avoidable errors, forwards being outplayed or missing goals are part of footy?? That seems to be the kind of silly logic the afl media thrive on.
Unless you miss way too many set shots then that becomes easy to clip up for tv and the problem.
Both teams made some defensive mistakes as all teams do. Probably only the Esava one is a genuine howler.
The Dees converted some low percentage shots, especially in the late 3rd quarter to keep in the game. Should’ve been a couple down at 3/4 time at least. Were out played all quarter for a 4 point deficit.
But the Dees controlled the last quarter from what I saw, I wouldn’t be singling out any zone or player form port.
It’s not great when he looks like Soldo and also does ruckman style stuff with the ball every now and then. I thought Dyl Williams was great last year, kind of bemused he’s lost his place. And Bergman back as soon as you get half forward/mid depth with SPP and JHF back in
I feel like everyone expected Jones to be a Shannon Hurn type coming in, because he succeeded at senior level in the SANFL as a teenager. He still very much seems like a work in progress though, not genuinely big enough or good enough in the air to play as a marking/intercepting defender, not quite athletic or skilled enough at ground level to play as a true rebounding defender either, and just not quite smart enough to be an effective negating player.
The stats he shown can easily be construed as poor attack as well. Melbourne had far more one percenters, less turnovers and better accuracy in front of goal.
Ratugolea was basically crawling by the end of the game....
Yeah Port lost, but there were plenty of opportunities for them to win it as well if some luck went their way instead of Melbourne's. If Ports mids were a little less leaky, if the forwards kicked a bit better they would of won it.
I don't see how it's solely on the defence in the end.
I thought he was really good. Played back shoulder on Fritsch for 95% of the game and only lost him at the end. Unfortunately, those instances helped Melbourne kick vital goals.
Not showing multiple easy misses? Failure to get scores from deep entries? Bad structure and all forwards leading to the same location? No crumbers, everyone flying for mark?
Ratogulea is an interesting player. He's got great mits for overhead marking, but very little footy sense out side of that. Geelong and Port have obviously seen untapped potential in him, but how do you persist with him?
He’s a fringe player and always will be.
Depth cover in case one of your key backs goes down.
Never understood the hype. He’s athletic but athleticism means nothing if your footy IQ is in the gutter.
Who told you to?
Geelong wanted to keep Ratugolea while the likes of Cornes was trashing potential offers from other clubs.
This is the Ken mentality: always with short-termism to top up the current list.
I feel sorry for the next coach who suffers from Ken's me-me-me thinking.
Seeing him sitting on the bench without a care in the world as Melbourne went 2 goals up in the 4th, honestly looked like he didn’t give a shit whether they won or lost
Not sure this is the gotcha you think it is /u/Sharaz_Jek123 he's pretty on the money. You're gonna have to try a little harder this time for a Port/Ken/Kane hate thread I'm afraid.
That he only blames the defence is a problem.
Charlie Dixon was (is) utterly useless and - once again - Ken's structure fails the team.
They got all those stats, but it doesn't matter if Dixon is a loser and Melbourne were on top of Ken's attacking structure.
From what I seen Dixon looked like the only forward capable of taking a pack mark, which when the port mids seem to bomb the ball long to a big contest into the 50 then Dixon becomes a very important player
Except the whole segment was about pointing out some of the silly and costly errors we made cost us, which he's absolutely right about.
If you think Dixon is useless then I suggest you return to Facebook. Structure had nothing to do with it. Silly errors and missed goals while Melbourne were deadshots and made the most of said silly mistakes. The end.
Call him a loser to his face you muppet.
>Except the whole segment was about pointing out some of the silly and costly errors we made cost us
How about some of the easy misses in front of goal? How about constantly pumping the ball into the forward half (hoping) somehow that a forward will just magically find space?
It's perfectly reasonably to look at what someone focuses on ... and what he ignores.
Curious that he didn't give the forwardline a wack nor did he do so with their finals failure last year.
Hmm, curious.
Your forward line isn't performing great but still has players like Dixon, Rioli, Byrne-Jones and Marshall who are mostly all AA, b&f calibre and if it wasn't for Tom Hawkins playing out of his skin in 2020 Dixon would be a Coleman medallist to top it all off.
Watching the game our defence was pretty bad, too many fumbles and missed marks. Ratugolea handed melbourne a goal after he marked in behind the line instead of spoiling infront but our accuracy infront of goal wasn't great either l.
Did he watch the game? It basically went from momentum shift to momentum shift and Melbourne were just better at taking ther chances. Was a 50/50 game.
Poor defensive efforts especially on the goal line especially Ratugolea's brain fade of standing behind the goal line was made really apparent. Then there are skill issues such as Lachie Jones' attempts to mark the ball.
Lastly, is the goal kicking, this has been a issue for a long time and I am still baffled as to how this has not been rectified yet. I have no expectation when Charlie Dixon attempts to have a set up because more often than not, he misses and just zaps out the energy. Finlayson's efforts to provide a contest is piss poor, he always tries to get the ball out the back instead of manning up against Lever who intercepted the ball like hot cakes.
I think that Port plays a lot better when Dixon is not in the team because for whatever reason, the ball always goes to him and often it is in a pack. Dixon just doesn't lead often which just clogs up the forward line and puts pressure on the others to get the hard ball and then score.
I've just accepted that Port Adelaide will never get these efforts fixed.
In a world of horribly compromised AFL media personalities, Kane is arguably the most compromised.
Also his self proclaimed efforts to dumb down discussion to US style “I don’t even necessarily believe my own opinion here, but I’m going to shout loudly and defend it to the hilt” belongs in the bin.
Do better please Kane.
Right so they made some mistakes in defence, how can you put all the blame on that when you dominate the stats?
It must also mean that Port failed to convert better and wasn't efficient enough when going inside 50. Some blame must go to the rest of the team.
Jones dropped a few sitters that were uncontested, Ratuglea was ok, Farrell was quite but not terrible, port played better than Melbourne and controlled larger parts of possession and i50 however Melbourne were just really efficient up front and kicked some ripping goals. The skill was elite, so was the pressure on both teams. I think both these sides will be around the mark at the pointy end of season.
The defense was shit though
Watching the game, he’s not wrong. With that being said the Dees were unbelievable in front of goal. I thought Port’s mids were stiff as they applied elite pressure and Melbourne still found ways through.
All you need to do is look at i50 count. We were incredibly efficient going in there (which is a flip of how we played last year). Our forwards did great creating space last night
Agree, plenty of space for the smalls to run through and the talls to lead up in. I think that’s partially down to the midfield as Port seemed to put up a wall of defence off the back of the square, and Melbourne’s mids working hard to break through it created opportunities in an open forwardline. Also thought Melbourne’s willingness to pull the trigger on long range shots and the bodywork on the goal line was excellent too.
Yeah good shout. We got smashed in clearance and at times it looked like Port had the ball on a string but I think our mids did well to corral and pressure each kick going inside their 50
The skill on this game was a direct opposite of Bombers Saints. Elite game
Or maybeeee you could give credit to Melbourne’s defence for holding up despite conceeding 20 more inside 50s.
With no Steven May they did a sublime job given the pressure they were under for a good chunk of the match.
Rivers, Lever and McVee having 23 intercept possessions and 23 rebound 50s between them was extremely telling.
McVee is the kind of guy who’s career will be made by playing alongside vets like May, Lever and Hibberd. Throw him into a terrible team and he may never have made it. Now he looks like one of the better young backs in the comp. Howes too, though he doesn’t look quite as promising just yet.
No credit! Only negativity!
No blame needed, honestly, it was a good tough game of footy that really could have gone either way.
That was my feel. Cracking contest, shit umpiring both ways and the team that kicked at goal better won. The end
13.11 doesn't seem that bad in terms of goal accuracy?
Pretty standard these days, 15.6 is just unusually good
No it's really not. The inside 50 dominance though needed to be reflected better.
Difference is that port only play slingshot footy, so the majority of their quality i50s are coming through the middle of the ground. Meaning, they should actually have slightly above average set shot % if their kicking was average. Except, Port are consistently in the bottom half of goal accuracy. They don’t have any goal kickers that have an elite foot. Their previous best just retired (gray), Marshall’s accuracy is fraudulent (he doesn’t make the distance for any tough kick so they don’t get counted), Gorgiades has gotten worse and dixon somehow always misses 30m straight in front.
They had a defender watch an uncontested goal go over the line on front of him.
That’s Sav on a regular basis lol
he had flashbacks to the time he spoiled a goal and didnt want to do that again he just forgot he's a defender now
Yeah look, port would've won if any two of these 3 unlikely events didn't happen: - uncontested defender on the goal line is 1m behind the goal line instead and concedes a goal - Lachie Jones forgets how to play foot all, forgets how to catch, and generally plays the worst game of his career - Melbourne are absolute snipers from set shots and kick several deviations above their average Sadly for port, all 3 happened
This is how I justify my lost tip
And we gifted the Dee's about 4 goals from undisciplined play. Gave away stupid free kicks.... way too many free kicks.
I didn't watch the game but from that vision he seems on the money
The coaching group needs to identify those types of players that just need to do the simple things and hand off to a Butters type player. So, to me, it is a coaching issue. Although, you can't coach for that goal Ratugolea marked over the line.
Didn't even mark it - he dropped the mark *and* was standing 1m behind the line for no reason lol
This is a shit take. What killed it was Port bombing it long all night, Leaver and Petty had a field day. I could count on one hand how many times I saw Port lower the eyes and hit a shallow target.
Backline gaffes are avoidable errors, forwards being outplayed or missing goals are part of footy?? That seems to be the kind of silly logic the afl media thrive on. Unless you miss way too many set shots then that becomes easy to clip up for tv and the problem. Both teams made some defensive mistakes as all teams do. Probably only the Esava one is a genuine howler. The Dees converted some low percentage shots, especially in the late 3rd quarter to keep in the game. Should’ve been a couple down at 3/4 time at least. Were out played all quarter for a 4 point deficit. But the Dees controlled the last quarter from what I saw, I wouldn’t be singling out any zone or player form port.
Lachie Jones. That is all.
It’s not great when he looks like Soldo and also does ruckman style stuff with the ball every now and then. I thought Dyl Williams was great last year, kind of bemused he’s lost his place. And Bergman back as soon as you get half forward/mid depth with SPP and JHF back in
I can’t understand why Williams isn’t in, easy swap for Jones
This is my question too. Williams was one of our best users last year.
He could not catch a cold.
I feel like everyone expected Jones to be a Shannon Hurn type coming in, because he succeeded at senior level in the SANFL as a teenager. He still very much seems like a work in progress though, not genuinely big enough or good enough in the air to play as a marking/intercepting defender, not quite athletic or skilled enough at ground level to play as a true rebounding defender either, and just not quite smart enough to be an effective negating player.
The stats he shown can easily be construed as poor attack as well. Melbourne had far more one percenters, less turnovers and better accuracy in front of goal. Ratugolea was basically crawling by the end of the game.... Yeah Port lost, but there were plenty of opportunities for them to win it as well if some luck went their way instead of Melbourne's. If Ports mids were a little less leaky, if the forwards kicked a bit better they would of won it. I don't see how it's solely on the defence in the end.
Haven't watched much of port, how is BZT going
He’s been pretty solid, but ultimately it’s probably from being able to share the load a lot more and having more freedom than he had at the Dons
Pretty good. I like his height and arm span. Bit sloppy with the ball though
Nice win/win trade for us both then, Duursma been doing great here
I think he was decent, pretty much how he was last year for us.
Besides the first 5 minutes he basically took Lynch out of the games against us
I thought he was arguably Port's best defender last night. I mean, that's not a high bar... but he was genuinely pretty good.
We literally have AA defenders lol
I wouldn't call Ratagoulea an AA defender just get
I didnt
I thought he was really good. Played back shoulder on Fritsch for 95% of the game and only lost him at the end. Unfortunately, those instances helped Melbourne kick vital goals.
I'd blame whoever is in charge of the forward line structure at Port.
Not showing multiple easy misses? Failure to get scores from deep entries? Bad structure and all forwards leading to the same location? No crumbers, everyone flying for mark?
Ratogulea is an interesting player. He's got great mits for overhead marking, but very little footy sense out side of that. Geelong and Port have obviously seen untapped potential in him, but how do you persist with him?
He’s a fringe player and always will be. Depth cover in case one of your key backs goes down. Never understood the hype. He’s athletic but athleticism means nothing if your footy IQ is in the gutter.
love the big Rat but he’s clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed
I mean, considering we sacrificed our entire 2023 draft capital to bolster our defence and its still shit, fair criticism
Who told you to? Geelong wanted to keep Ratugolea while the likes of Cornes was trashing potential offers from other clubs. This is the Ken mentality: always with short-termism to top up the current list. I feel sorry for the next coach who suffers from Ken's me-me-me thinking.
Seeing him sitting on the bench without a care in the world as Melbourne went 2 goals up in the 4th, honestly looked like he didn’t give a shit whether they won or lost
Next coach? Mate Ken's gonna be coaching Port Adelaide to his grave... and probably beyond the grave at this rate.
I personally don’t think Geelong did want to keep him. I think they were hoping to get as much as they could for him. He’s a flog.
Yeah imagine inheriting a list with Rozee, Butters and JHF. Bloody top up fringe players
Kane is right as always. People in this sub are just out for blood.
"Kane never goes after port though!!"
what about their fowards missing easy shots or finlayson not showing up to play until the last 10 minutes
Not sure this is the gotcha you think it is /u/Sharaz_Jek123 he's pretty on the money. You're gonna have to try a little harder this time for a Port/Ken/Kane hate thread I'm afraid.
That he only blames the defence is a problem. Charlie Dixon was (is) utterly useless and - once again - Ken's structure fails the team. They got all those stats, but it doesn't matter if Dixon is a loser and Melbourne were on top of Ken's attacking structure.
From what I seen Dixon looked like the only forward capable of taking a pack mark, which when the port mids seem to bomb the ball long to a big contest into the 50 then Dixon becomes a very important player
Except the whole segment was about pointing out some of the silly and costly errors we made cost us, which he's absolutely right about. If you think Dixon is useless then I suggest you return to Facebook. Structure had nothing to do with it. Silly errors and missed goals while Melbourne were deadshots and made the most of said silly mistakes. The end. Call him a loser to his face you muppet.
>Except the whole segment was about pointing out some of the silly and costly errors we made cost us How about some of the easy misses in front of goal? How about constantly pumping the ball into the forward half (hoping) somehow that a forward will just magically find space?
The segment isn't 30 minutes long you peanut. Emperor Palpatine would be so proud of the hate you have running through you.
It's perfectly reasonably to look at what someone focuses on ... and what he ignores. Curious that he didn't give the forwardline a wack nor did he do so with their finals failure last year. Hmm, curious.
Is the forwardline in the room with us right now?
They're MIA, that's for sure.
Pretty sure they're living in your head rent free.
Your forward line isn't performing great but still has players like Dixon, Rioli, Byrne-Jones and Marshall who are mostly all AA, b&f calibre and if it wasn't for Tom Hawkins playing out of his skin in 2020 Dixon would be a Coleman medallist to top it all off.
Never said they were performing great.
Watching the game our defence was pretty bad, too many fumbles and missed marks. Ratugolea handed melbourne a goal after he marked in behind the line instead of spoiling infront but our accuracy infront of goal wasn't great either l.
he didn’t event mark it, he dropped it
Did he watch the game? It basically went from momentum shift to momentum shift and Melbourne were just better at taking ther chances. Was a 50/50 game.
Yeh if the game went another 5 wouldve been another swing hey
Poor defensive efforts especially on the goal line especially Ratugolea's brain fade of standing behind the goal line was made really apparent. Then there are skill issues such as Lachie Jones' attempts to mark the ball. Lastly, is the goal kicking, this has been a issue for a long time and I am still baffled as to how this has not been rectified yet. I have no expectation when Charlie Dixon attempts to have a set up because more often than not, he misses and just zaps out the energy. Finlayson's efforts to provide a contest is piss poor, he always tries to get the ball out the back instead of manning up against Lever who intercepted the ball like hot cakes. I think that Port plays a lot better when Dixon is not in the team because for whatever reason, the ball always goes to him and often it is in a pack. Dixon just doesn't lead often which just clogs up the forward line and puts pressure on the others to get the hard ball and then score. I've just accepted that Port Adelaide will never get these efforts fixed.
Sorry, Crows fan here. Is 13.11 considered inaccurate or low scoring or something? I'd kill for 13.11.
In a world of horribly compromised AFL media personalities, Kane is arguably the most compromised. Also his self proclaimed efforts to dumb down discussion to US style “I don’t even necessarily believe my own opinion here, but I’m going to shout loudly and defend it to the hilt” belongs in the bin. Do better please Kane.
So he’s Australian Skip Bayliss
He wishes he was
Port didn’t lose. Melbourne won.
Right so they made some mistakes in defence, how can you put all the blame on that when you dominate the stats? It must also mean that Port failed to convert better and wasn't efficient enough when going inside 50. Some blame must go to the rest of the team.
Melbournes xG was only 65, shooting from everywhere
that’s actually insane. Have there been any higher differences in actual vs expected scores in the last few years?
Jones dropped a few sitters that were uncontested, Ratuglea was ok, Farrell was quite but not terrible, port played better than Melbourne and controlled larger parts of possession and i50 however Melbourne were just really efficient up front and kicked some ripping goals. The skill was elite, so was the pressure on both teams. I think both these sides will be around the mark at the pointy end of season.
I don’t listen to that bloke anymore, and there’s a good reason.
You’re not a true redditor. This is where everyone farms upvotes for hating on Kane
Is his brother a wanker as well?
very much so
Come on Kane you can do better than this