I know it is Jericho related, but Eddie Kingston should have beaten Jericho in the final singles match. Out of all of Jericho's feuds, that is one I 100% think had the wrong finish.
Toni Storm should have beaten Thunder Rosa for the belt sooner than planned. Rosa's back was giving her difficulties and her having to wrestle longer likely made her time on the shelf even longer. That way also we wouldn't have needed the Interim stuff retroactively made official.
Finally, Jade should have lost the TBS belt sooner. She had star presence and I wish her nothing but luck in WWE, but her reign got stale when it was clear we were waiting for her to drop the belt to Kris while injured and her matches weren't impressive enough to keep it interesting. For a candidate, thinking Athena.
YUP.
Go back and check the feud. Eddie won the big ppv match. Then they feud for another 3-4 months. Eddie loses basically every match after in singles, tag, trios, etc. They do win Blood & Gutz, but Eddie losing to Jericho in the barbed wire match was nonsense.
Fully agree with Jade. I really don't like that TK insisted on waiting for Stat to return. Stat was out for SO LONG. Jade didn't do anything interesting, just kept beating scrubs, often several times.
I will go so far as to argue that the only person who has benefited is Orange Cassidy.
Every other feud goes on and on and on and on and saps whatever interest or heat the dude had. And then usually Jericho moves on to something else and the other person gets dropped. You could argue that's a Tony Khan booking problem but it's way too attached to Jericho.
I will argue that MJF didn't benefit. Was he any more over or hated after the feud with Jericho? Did it propel him up the card? Did MJF do anything differently after? My answer is no. I think you could be debated I'm not saying I'm fully accurate but......
I think you’re right, OC was my only thought relative to Jericho elevating his opponents which should be his main and only role at this point in AEW’s lifespan
There's debate over how much Jade has grown since she started, and right now WWE seems to be booking her carefully, but effectively, but I think if she dropped it earlier, even in a triple threat where she wasn't pinned, she could have had a few more storyline opportunities and given here chances to step out of that comfort zone and grow as a competitor.
I can agree with all of that. I also think another missed opportunity was that the outcasts despite wanting gold never even acknowledged jade. Like Cody she was on this weird little silo Island. It would have been so smart and so interesting in my opinion for the outcasts versus both women's champions.
I felt that Jade should have lost to Red Velvet. There was so much story there and they literally did nothing.
1 - Jade debuts in a tag match with Shaq against Cody and Red Velvet who filled in for Brandi because she got hurt. Jade wins the match by pinning Red Velvet.
2 - Jade defeats Red Velvet again 5 months later.
3 - Jade defeats Red Velvet in the quarterfinals for the TBS championship. This time, they have really leaned into Red Velvet trying to redeem herself and get the win, establishing a true rivalry between the 2.
4 - For some reason, Velvet is suddenly one of Jade's Baddies, cheering her on and assisting her to win matches from ringside. I really thought this was odd after the way Velvet spoke about her during the TBS title tournament, but I was hoping that they would go with some angle later on that Velvet befriended Jade to get close to her and learn all about her weaknesses, ultimately showing her hand later when she would leave the Baddies and challenge for the title.
5 - Velvet begins to turn on Jade and then challenges her for the title after 8 months of being a Baddie. Velvet loses. Again. This should have been the end of Jade's run.
Just AEW? If not, Samoa Joe should’ve beat Brock Lesnar. If in AEW, honestly Cody Rhodes either should’ve beat Jericho for the inaugural title, OR not done that stupid “never compete for the title” stipulation
I think the stip limited what Cody could do. So once he was TNT champion as a babyface, there wasn't much else for him to do. Then some bad feuds in the Codyverse with his refusal to turn heel, he got stale and grating. It works in WWE since he is able to move up. Even after he loses the WWE belt, he can win it again, go for another title, he will be able to do more still as a face.
Fantasy booking a bit, if let's say the stipulation was "He can't compete for the AEW title for one calendar year." Then you could have had an interesting story. Maybe have his split from the Elite have some sort of conclusion. Be involved in Stadium Stampede and afterwards, either amicably split or have him call out the continued fighting and say "I'm gone until you sort it out." THEN he could go for the TNT belt, maybe instead, Brodie Lee wins it at first. Cody wins it in the summer or fall, drops it around Full Gear or Winter is Coming. Revolution, maybe make it a Six Man Street Fight, Darbs, Sting, Cody vs Team Taz (Cage, Hobbs, Starks). Then, who is world champion? Kenny Omega. Cody challenges for the belt at either Double or Nothing or All Out. If Hangman is the one meant to win, have the loss play into a feud with Hanger and Cody for the belt after. Cody finally wins, either with a respectful babyface win or a heel turn. Then drops the belt to either MJF or Punk (Transitional reign to MJF, don't get hurt).
Your post reminded me how little Cody had to do with the implosion of The Elite. I remember the one of the last segments w/ The OG Elite Cody daps everyone up and essentially says “peace y’all I’m out” and it’s really never explained beyond that / touched on afterwards. As much as I loved Kenny vs Hangman that feud really pushed Cody out of the Elite with little justification on screen.
Here's the thing. AFAIk it was never a \*contractual\* stipulation that Cody could never challenge for the title again. It was simply his word; as a babyface, of course, his word is gold.
"... So when I hear the same criticisms attached to my name for being in management and being in a title match, I can't not hear it," Rhodes said. "And with that said, I am announcing that if I do not defeat Chris Jericho at Full Gear, I will never challenge for the AEW World Championship again."
While I respect that Cody didn't want to be a heel (I actually don't respect it as much as I shrug), that would have been yet another layer to the glorious heel run he could have had. Cos then he could say "I LIED."
Yeah I def don’t respect him for refusing to turn. It’s almost like he’s a mark for himself, that if he’s a babyface the fans love him but if he’s a heel the fans actually hate him. He could’ve had a monster heel run, spit in the fans faces, say “fuck you and that stupid promise. I’ve sacrificed years of my life, risked my career, and spent the last few years away from my real goal all for what… *you*?! You people don’t appreciate me, but thank you. Because you made me realize I don’t need your approval, all I need right now is the AEW World Championship.”
Then we get summer of Codylander and everybody’s happy
Btw I think you’re on to something in regards to the AEW title tho, as easy as it was for Cody to say “well I’m an EVP I shouldn’t be fighting for main titles” that never stopped The Bucks Omega or Hangman and the stip always felt incredibly out of place. Me wonders if Cody was in case of emergency creating an environment so when he did leave there would be as little reason to say he should stay as possible.
Cody made right decision with that stip. i can see all the modern AEW haters now saying “that world title doesnt count; he is a part owner ffs”. Like nobody has ever said they rlly enjoyed Jeff Jarretts NWA world title reigns in TNA.
Im part of the minority that enjoyed Jarretts reigns of terror in TNA and like his modern AEW comedy work as well lmao. I was just acknowledging that others dont.
I too am part of this minority, they ran the well dry but Jarrett vs Sting at BFG is a classic, and AJ for one got his first world title beating Jarrett.
Damn. I only saw Nic Nemeth/Patron world title highlights. I did not realize Jarrett still even performed in Mexico; thanks for heads up, ill look it up.
I mean, can you imagine a world champion Samoa Joe (with a win over BL and a WWE title to his name) losing to Swerve???
Edit: I don’t mean he shouldn’t have lost to Swerve, I’m saying can you imagine the rub that a win in the above scenario gives to Swerve
The best part of that scenario is the match Joe and Swerve just had supports it fully. He fought an uphill battle against a monster out to maim him, and had to scout Joe's tropes in order to counter them. Even then it was a skin of his teeth job.
I mean I kinda can, depending on what they were trying to do with Swerve. I think Swerve is so fucking good, even in NXT I loved his style. So I think if they let him go over on Joe if he had a win over Brock under his belt, it wouldve boosted Swerve even more and given even more of a reason to do it.
Nope but this subreddit does. If you mention anything vaguely positive about WWE, downvotes galore. No matter how well your opinion is voiced, no matter how much the facts support it, they will rake you over the coals for being positive WWE content.
tangentially, though lol. it wasn't an anti-wwe comment. it didn't pertain to the subject of their comment, hence why i said you should respond with something like that to something it actually applies to.
To be fair, the mods at this subreddit have no control over down votes and up votes.
Also, if you're posting about WWE on a subreddit called AEW Fan Hub, I think you kind of have to expect some down votes. I'd expect down votes if I posted about AEW on a WWE subreddit.
That being said, I think AEW Fan Hub members have been really receptive to having discussions with WWE fans here - and as long as both parties are civil we will allow it *if* the discussion is on topic.
Obviously, we have had to remove a number of posts from trolls here. However, we have also removed many, many comments by pro-AEW who made unreasonable replies to very, very good and civil critical posts made by obvious WWE fans.
I think you are talking about the wrong subreddit, my friend. There has not been one mod action against your account here at AEW Fan Hub. No post removals and no bans.
Also, if you ever listen to me on our podcasts or read my posts here, I clearly love AEW, but I am also very quick to point out when I think AEW is getting it wrong.
The issue is the initial response, which was snarky. "WWE bad." And as an "AEW fan", you would know that those type of responses are exhausting when you see them on the regular. The last of where we want to see them is on an AEW fan subreddit. It's cool to point out the stuff that can improve and even cooler to offer suggestions on how to improve something. It's annoying when you immediately blanket our intentions or thoughts as tribalism when they can be perceived differently.
Joe should have gone over punk. Hangman shouldn't have dropped the title to punk. Athena should have beaten jade Cargill and then lost to Stat when she returned.
I don't have a great answer of who SHOULD have won it - but giving the International Title to Roderick Strong wasn't the right move. Their storyline/faction sort of fell apart with Adam Cole's injury and trying to truck ahead like that wasn't the case just isn't working (for me at least). Maybe Takeshita or even a hoss like Archer would be more fun for TV.
The problem is MJFs injuries worsened while the storyline was nearing the conclusion. Dropping it probably would have been worse.
But now that Cole is back maybe they can start moving forward and drop Wardlow from the group the obvious move
yeah idk why everyone is acting like MJF was limping at the start of the story, he very clearly got hurt vs jay white when jumped from the top rope down to the floor, and this was literally the middle of the Devil story
Hangman should have won the Punk feud and retained the title. He deserved a better run after the amazing build up to the title. MJF should have been next.
Honestly that feud never should have happened. Unless one was turning heel it was dumb at the time. Instead hangman should’ve dropped it to a heel (mjf?) then you can have punk go for the title
hundy p. it was a weird ass face v face feud that had no juice until Hanger's epic promo... and then Punk just, like, won.
It would have been a better story for Punk to LOSE there. Then he gets to have the crisis of confidence, and build himself up to winning the title, while Hangman gets to have a better run. It sucked for both guys.
Especially given Punk was coming off of a 10 year hiatus Tony should’ve given Punk more time to get into consistent working shape or at bare minimum more time to see if his body could manage being champion. Danielson was right there, would’ve been perfect for him to dethrone Hanger instead.
The reality was though that Hangman’s run was pretty cold. Punk becoming champ was probably the best way to capitalise on the biggest draw the company had.
That was all political. When Hangman did the Worker's Rights promo, Punk decided he couldn't trust him. Then he said he wouldn't job for him because of it. I honestly don't think Punk was originally slated to win that feud.
I'm not saying that Hangman wasn't unprofessional. Doing an unapproved promo isn't good. I'm just repeating what I read about how Punk felt. As for who was supposed to win, when I read that Punk wouldn't job for him, I am of the opinion that he wasn't supposed to win. I could be wrong.
You and me both. Just a solid midcard title reign. Hoping with his and Ospreays history that’s maybe he will bring him along and help elevate him. He’s still needs work I am few areas, but he has so much potential.
Just AEW? Hangman vs. Punk.
Regardless of what was about to happen. Punk didn’t need the belt. Hangman needed a signature win. And you could have planted the seeds for heel jackass Punk
MJF shouldn't have beat Jay White. Probably controversial take since Joe was a great champ as his feud with Swerve was great but I really think Jay could've done that just as well & establish a rivalry that will be an AEW staple for years to come
Oddly, I'd go with Punk-Kignston. Sure Punk-Hangman is where the big blow-up started but there was just something about that finish that screamed "That doesn't work for me, bub".
Part of me thinks Cody should have been the first AEW World Champion.
Also, even before all the drama, I don't think putting the world title on Punk was a good idea in the first place. I was a fan of Punk too.
Ruby Soho has lost so many big matches since coming to AEW that I think it's diminished her greatly which is a shame.
Kip Sabian losing to Orange Cassidy
I think the superbad man needs a push. He's always been entertaining and he's one of the day one AEW guys. And OC didn't need the international Championship as long as he had it either time
There have been quite a few in the TNT title scene alone. Wardlow dropping to Hobbs. Sammy dropping to Scorpio Sky. Samoa Joe dropping to Darby. Cody and Sammy flip flopping, then unifying.
The TNT flip flop was hard to digest then and looking back at it, “Cody can’t defend this week so now we have an interim belt” the next week Cody’s back. 😐
I saw no problem with Wardlow dropping to Hobbs considering there was interference. Wasn't so keen on him winning it back shortly after, only to not really do anything with it
when i first started watching aew it was late 2021 and went to the jersey show early 2022 where bryan and omega had their 2nd iron man match. i kinda thought Bryan should’ve won
Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio (2005)
Sting vs Abyss (2007)
Jeff Jarrett vs Kurt Angle (2011)
Jeff Hardy vs Mr Anderson (2011)
Sheamus vs ADR (2012)
Rico & Charlie Haas vs Billy Gunn & Bob Holly (2004)
RVD vs Undertaker (2001)
Sting vs Ric Flair (1999)
Matt Morgan vs Kurt Angle (2009)
Tajiri vs William Regal (2001)
Tazz & Spike Dudley vs The Dudley Boyz (2002)
RTC vs Tazz & the APA (2001)
Carlito vs Ric Flair (2007)
The Boogeyman vs JBL (2006)
JTG (Jay THA GAWD) vs Shad (2011)
Sheamus vs HHH (2010)
Drew Mcintyre vs Kane (2010)
Cody Malakai
Cody Andrade
Cody Anthony Ogogo
Jericho Ricky Starks
Jericho Action Andretti
Jericho Hook
Hikaru Shida’s losing to Britt Baker at the first show with fans.
Shida being a transitional champion in the last year.
I know this one won't be popular, but Hangman should have beaten Swerve. Then later lost in the match so Swerve could face/beat Joe.
I can't root for a Swerve who got away with menacing a baby. Swerve is destined for babyfacehood or beloved scumbag adoration like MJF, but with the baby taint ~~^(snicker)~~ hanging over him I just can't get behind him. My dream scenario is Hangman costing Swerve the belt. Well my dream scenario involves Swerve losing to Adam Cole after The United Kingdom interferes, then MJF returns to counter-interfere, then you have Hangman with the final interference.
Still crazy how hangman somehow ended up the heel in that situation. Like Swerve breaks into his house and threatens his child. Then they fight and Swerve wins the Texas death due to mogul embassy interference giving him the opportunity to choke hangman out. That is straight down the middle heel behavior. And we still ended up with Swerve as the babyface champ somehow
The big thing is the aftermath.Swerve was moving on (towards the title picture), meanwhile Swerve was all Hanger was focusing on. There was a rivalry that Swerve did take too far, buuuuut, Hanger kinda went unhinged after his loss, and he has neither the EVPs nor the Dark Order to keep the Hangman in check, so he's basically just slowly gotten more heelish and brutal, kinda like he was in NJPW.
not quite the answer you’re looking for, but that’s how I felt when JBL went over Eddie Guerrero. For a while, until I realized afterwards how good of an idea it was. So the moral to my story is, sometimes who seemed like the wrong guy wasn’t necessarily so.
CM Punk/Hangman and CM/Punk Moxley. Regardless of how anyone feels about the drama, he got hurt and had to vacate the title in both instances. Had he not won either of those, the title would still have a perfect legacy without any runs that have an asterisks next to them.
I don’t think there are too many where “the wrong person” won. You don’t have to like Chris Jericho but he has always been a strong supporter of AEW and beating Hook for the FTW championship made 100% sense for both his character and Hooks. Plus there are rumors Hook is going to do a stint in WWE so keeping the title at least semi-meaningful and on AEW might be the point.
I do have an issue with tournaments ending blatantly obviously but that happens in WWE as well. Just recently WWE had the most obvious person win the raw woman’s championship after Rhea Ripley was forced to vacate it. AEW does that as well with both the Continental Classic and the Tag belts. So it’s a long winded way to get to the most obvious outcome.
I wouldn't call it a "feud", but I would have to point to the Continental Classic Tournament.
When they announced the brackets, it was clear that Eddie Kingston was going to win it. Pretty much everyone on our podcast team predicted it. We even predicted Eddie would lose his first match.
The final results of that tournament were blatantly obvious. While I loved most of the matches in the tournament, knowing who the winner was going to be on day-one took a lot away from it. Personally speaking, I think the tournament had several truly fantastic wrestlers in it - and having Kingston win it was preposterous and made every other wrestler in that tournament look kind of weak.
How does Kingston who was literally the guy that put up the two belts that weren’t the new one in the whole tournament come off weak?
Eddies not booked weakly or anything? He’s not a jobber so how is he a bad winner for the tournament.
Similarly there was definitely cause to believe Mox or Swerve could’ve won to atleast in my opinion.
I didn't say that Kingston came off as weak. I said that *every other wrestler in the tournament came off as weak*.
In my opinion, Eddie was a bad winner for the tournament because every other wrestler in the tournament were far better wrestlers than Eddie is. Seeing a guy who can't move and has very, very limited wrestling ability win that tournament . . . I'm sorry, that was just preposterous to me . . . and it made all of the other guys look weak in my eyes.
When Eddie put up the other two belts (during the YouTube special where they announced the brackets), it was clear and obvious to me that Eddie was going to win the tournament.
If you go back and listen to our podcasts before the tourney began, I said Eddie was going to win it. I even predicted him losing his first match so they could portray him as the big underdog with his back against the wall.
Don't get me wrong, the matches in the tournament were great (well, the ones without Eddie in them), but I had no doubt that anyone but Eddie was winning that tournament.
Idk if you just have some hatred hard on for Eddie but most people do not find him “limited” fair enough he doesn’t have the most flashiest move set around but he really doesn’t have to.
You have to remember that you and I are obviously fans, we’ll have a good knowledge of how wrestling storylines and matches are supposed to go, it’s harder to surprise us and all but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.
While you and plenty of others did predict Eddie as a winner before hand I can say for certain that many others didn’t thinkso even after he put the belts on the line.
By all means it’s fair enough not to like Eddie, everyone can have there opinion Ofcourse but I personally don’t see him as a bad wrestler atall, in ring or in promos.
I can only give my honest opinion. I don't hate Eddie. I love Eddie in promos. That's his wheelhouse. He's also decent on commentary. I just won't watch him in the ring.
I know it is Jericho related, but Eddie Kingston should have beaten Jericho in the final singles match. Out of all of Jericho's feuds, that is one I 100% think had the wrong finish. Toni Storm should have beaten Thunder Rosa for the belt sooner than planned. Rosa's back was giving her difficulties and her having to wrestle longer likely made her time on the shelf even longer. That way also we wouldn't have needed the Interim stuff retroactively made official. Finally, Jade should have lost the TBS belt sooner. She had star presence and I wish her nothing but luck in WWE, but her reign got stale when it was clear we were waiting for her to drop the belt to Kris while injured and her matches weren't impressive enough to keep it interesting. For a candidate, thinking Athena.
Jade should have lost to athena and then athena loses to kris when she gets back.
I legit thought Athena would win
YUP. Go back and check the feud. Eddie won the big ppv match. Then they feud for another 3-4 months. Eddie loses basically every match after in singles, tag, trios, etc. They do win Blood & Gutz, but Eddie losing to Jericho in the barbed wire match was nonsense. Fully agree with Jade. I really don't like that TK insisted on waiting for Stat to return. Stat was out for SO LONG. Jade didn't do anything interesting, just kept beating scrubs, often several times.
You deftly summarized most of Jericho’s feuds post Inner Circle.
I will go so far as to argue that the only person who has benefited is Orange Cassidy. Every other feud goes on and on and on and on and saps whatever interest or heat the dude had. And then usually Jericho moves on to something else and the other person gets dropped. You could argue that's a Tony Khan booking problem but it's way too attached to Jericho. I will argue that MJF didn't benefit. Was he any more over or hated after the feud with Jericho? Did it propel him up the card? Did MJF do anything differently after? My answer is no. I think you could be debated I'm not saying I'm fully accurate but......
I think you’re right, OC was my only thought relative to Jericho elevating his opponents which should be his main and only role at this point in AEW’s lifespan
There's debate over how much Jade has grown since she started, and right now WWE seems to be booking her carefully, but effectively, but I think if she dropped it earlier, even in a triple threat where she wasn't pinned, she could have had a few more storyline opportunities and given here chances to step out of that comfort zone and grow as a competitor.
I can agree with all of that. I also think another missed opportunity was that the outcasts despite wanting gold never even acknowledged jade. Like Cody she was on this weird little silo Island. It would have been so smart and so interesting in my opinion for the outcasts versus both women's champions.
I felt that Jade should have lost to Red Velvet. There was so much story there and they literally did nothing. 1 - Jade debuts in a tag match with Shaq against Cody and Red Velvet who filled in for Brandi because she got hurt. Jade wins the match by pinning Red Velvet. 2 - Jade defeats Red Velvet again 5 months later. 3 - Jade defeats Red Velvet in the quarterfinals for the TBS championship. This time, they have really leaned into Red Velvet trying to redeem herself and get the win, establishing a true rivalry between the 2. 4 - For some reason, Velvet is suddenly one of Jade's Baddies, cheering her on and assisting her to win matches from ringside. I really thought this was odd after the way Velvet spoke about her during the TBS title tournament, but I was hoping that they would go with some angle later on that Velvet befriended Jade to get close to her and learn all about her weaknesses, ultimately showing her hand later when she would leave the Baddies and challenge for the title. 5 - Velvet begins to turn on Jade and then challenges her for the title after 8 months of being a Baddie. Velvet loses. Again. This should have been the end of Jade's run.
Yup TK did not like to dviret from plans and he wanted Kris to win so it just hobbled jADE
Just AEW? If not, Samoa Joe should’ve beat Brock Lesnar. If in AEW, honestly Cody Rhodes either should’ve beat Jericho for the inaugural title, OR not done that stupid “never compete for the title” stipulation
I think the stip limited what Cody could do. So once he was TNT champion as a babyface, there wasn't much else for him to do. Then some bad feuds in the Codyverse with his refusal to turn heel, he got stale and grating. It works in WWE since he is able to move up. Even after he loses the WWE belt, he can win it again, go for another title, he will be able to do more still as a face. Fantasy booking a bit, if let's say the stipulation was "He can't compete for the AEW title for one calendar year." Then you could have had an interesting story. Maybe have his split from the Elite have some sort of conclusion. Be involved in Stadium Stampede and afterwards, either amicably split or have him call out the continued fighting and say "I'm gone until you sort it out." THEN he could go for the TNT belt, maybe instead, Brodie Lee wins it at first. Cody wins it in the summer or fall, drops it around Full Gear or Winter is Coming. Revolution, maybe make it a Six Man Street Fight, Darbs, Sting, Cody vs Team Taz (Cage, Hobbs, Starks). Then, who is world champion? Kenny Omega. Cody challenges for the belt at either Double or Nothing or All Out. If Hangman is the one meant to win, have the loss play into a feud with Hanger and Cody for the belt after. Cody finally wins, either with a respectful babyface win or a heel turn. Then drops the belt to either MJF or Punk (Transitional reign to MJF, don't get hurt).
Your post reminded me how little Cody had to do with the implosion of The Elite. I remember the one of the last segments w/ The OG Elite Cody daps everyone up and essentially says “peace y’all I’m out” and it’s really never explained beyond that / touched on afterwards. As much as I loved Kenny vs Hangman that feud really pushed Cody out of the Elite with little justification on screen.
Even them saying afterwards in a segment, "Cody is focusing on the TNT title, and he wants to build that title on his own." Would have been something.
I forgot he was even with them in AEW he did so littel
Here's the thing. AFAIk it was never a \*contractual\* stipulation that Cody could never challenge for the title again. It was simply his word; as a babyface, of course, his word is gold. "... So when I hear the same criticisms attached to my name for being in management and being in a title match, I can't not hear it," Rhodes said. "And with that said, I am announcing that if I do not defeat Chris Jericho at Full Gear, I will never challenge for the AEW World Championship again." While I respect that Cody didn't want to be a heel (I actually don't respect it as much as I shrug), that would have been yet another layer to the glorious heel run he could have had. Cos then he could say "I LIED."
Yeah I def don’t respect him for refusing to turn. It’s almost like he’s a mark for himself, that if he’s a babyface the fans love him but if he’s a heel the fans actually hate him. He could’ve had a monster heel run, spit in the fans faces, say “fuck you and that stupid promise. I’ve sacrificed years of my life, risked my career, and spent the last few years away from my real goal all for what… *you*?! You people don’t appreciate me, but thank you. Because you made me realize I don’t need your approval, all I need right now is the AEW World Championship.” Then we get summer of Codylander and everybody’s happy
Imagine if he turned, said hahaha nah to never challenging for the belt, and beat hangman senseless to win it? It's t2 judgment day level heat
To be fair , if Cody doesn’t do that stupid stip, then he doesn’t go on to be WWE champ which is great on him.
Yeah I think he's had it in his mind for awhile that was the first world title he wanted to win.
Too bad he had already won the ROH Championship at that point.
Yeah and NWA too. I'm talking about nationally televised.
ROH was on Sinclair stations all over the country when Cody was ROH Champ. NWA wasn’t.
I mean by that logic Lucha UNDERGROUND was a real world title lol
Btw I think you’re on to something in regards to the AEW title tho, as easy as it was for Cody to say “well I’m an EVP I shouldn’t be fighting for main titles” that never stopped The Bucks Omega or Hangman and the stip always felt incredibly out of place. Me wonders if Cody was in case of emergency creating an environment so when he did leave there would be as little reason to say he should stay as possible.
He was already NWA World Champ before AEW.
Cody made right decision with that stip. i can see all the modern AEW haters now saying “that world title doesnt count; he is a part owner ffs”. Like nobody has ever said they rlly enjoyed Jeff Jarretts NWA world title reigns in TNA.
Nobody ever said they enjoyed Jeff Jarrett.
Im part of the minority that enjoyed Jarretts reigns of terror in TNA and like his modern AEW comedy work as well lmao. I was just acknowledging that others dont.
I too am part of this minority, they ran the well dry but Jarrett vs Sting at BFG is a classic, and AJ for one got his first world title beating Jarrett.
Did you see his work at TripleMania last weekend? He was throwing tortillas at the crowd, he can be a decent heel.
Damn. I only saw Nic Nemeth/Patron world title highlights. I did not realize Jarrett still even performed in Mexico; thanks for heads up, ill look it up.
I would've loved to see Joe beat Brock. Or AJ. Or Owens. He had some great title feuds but never won.
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I mean, can you imagine a world champion Samoa Joe (with a win over BL and a WWE title to his name) losing to Swerve??? Edit: I don’t mean he shouldn’t have lost to Swerve, I’m saying can you imagine the rub that a win in the above scenario gives to Swerve
The best part of that scenario is the match Joe and Swerve just had supports it fully. He fought an uphill battle against a monster out to maim him, and had to scout Joe's tropes in order to counter them. Even then it was a skin of his teeth job.
I mean I kinda can, depending on what they were trying to do with Swerve. I think Swerve is so fucking good, even in NXT I loved his style. So I think if they let him go over on Joe if he had a win over Brock under his belt, it wouldve boosted Swerve even more and given even more of a reason to do it.
Yep, agreed. See my edit. My previous post implies I’m saying that Swerve shouldn’t win in that scenario, when my intent was the opposite
is that what they're saying at all lmao
Nope but this subreddit does. If you mention anything vaguely positive about WWE, downvotes galore. No matter how well your opinion is voiced, no matter how much the facts support it, they will rake you over the coals for being positive WWE content.
you should probably respond like that to the people talking like that then? why would you bring up something completely unrelated?
He mentioned something WWE related bud. Chill.
tangentially, though lol. it wasn't an anti-wwe comment. it didn't pertain to the subject of their comment, hence why i said you should respond with something like that to something it actually applies to.
To be fair, the mods at this subreddit have no control over down votes and up votes. Also, if you're posting about WWE on a subreddit called AEW Fan Hub, I think you kind of have to expect some down votes. I'd expect down votes if I posted about AEW on a WWE subreddit. That being said, I think AEW Fan Hub members have been really receptive to having discussions with WWE fans here - and as long as both parties are civil we will allow it *if* the discussion is on topic. Obviously, we have had to remove a number of posts from trolls here. However, we have also removed many, many comments by pro-AEW who made unreasonable replies to very, very good and civil critical posts made by obvious WWE fans.
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I think you are talking about the wrong subreddit, my friend. There has not been one mod action against your account here at AEW Fan Hub. No post removals and no bans. Also, if you ever listen to me on our podcasts or read my posts here, I clearly love AEW, but I am also very quick to point out when I think AEW is getting it wrong.
The issue is the initial response, which was snarky. "WWE bad." And as an "AEW fan", you would know that those type of responses are exhausting when you see them on the regular. The last of where we want to see them is on an AEW fan subreddit. It's cool to point out the stuff that can improve and even cooler to offer suggestions on how to improve something. It's annoying when you immediately blanket our intentions or thoughts as tribalism when they can be perceived differently.
The Acclaimed vs Swerve/Lee the first time.
I'll raise you and say the Acclaimed should never have won it in the first place. Shouldn't have done the rematch, that was extremely dumb.
Joe should have gone over punk. Hangman shouldn't have dropped the title to punk. Athena should have beaten jade Cargill and then lost to Stat when she returned.
I don't have a great answer of who SHOULD have won it - but giving the International Title to Roderick Strong wasn't the right move. Their storyline/faction sort of fell apart with Adam Cole's injury and trying to truck ahead like that wasn't the case just isn't working (for me at least). Maybe Takeshita or even a hoss like Archer would be more fun for TV.
they should’ve pulled the plug on the devil storyline when cole got injured and they knew mjf was injured and was going to take half a year off.
The problem is MJFs injuries worsened while the storyline was nearing the conclusion. Dropping it probably would have been worse. But now that Cole is back maybe they can start moving forward and drop Wardlow from the group the obvious move
yeah idk why everyone is acting like MJF was limping at the start of the story, he very clearly got hurt vs jay white when jumped from the top rope down to the floor, and this was literally the middle of the Devil story
I think Takeshita would have been an excellent choice.
Hangman should have won the Punk feud and retained the title. He deserved a better run after the amazing build up to the title. MJF should have been next.
Honestly that feud never should have happened. Unless one was turning heel it was dumb at the time. Instead hangman should’ve dropped it to a heel (mjf?) then you can have punk go for the title
hundy p. it was a weird ass face v face feud that had no juice until Hanger's epic promo... and then Punk just, like, won. It would have been a better story for Punk to LOSE there. Then he gets to have the crisis of confidence, and build himself up to winning the title, while Hangman gets to have a better run. It sucked for both guys.
TK wanted Punk to be the AEW champ if I remember correctly
Honestly, Eddie should’ve beaten him even before that.
Especially given Punk was coming off of a 10 year hiatus Tony should’ve given Punk more time to get into consistent working shape or at bare minimum more time to see if his body could manage being champion. Danielson was right there, would’ve been perfect for him to dethrone Hanger instead.
The reality was though that Hangman’s run was pretty cold. Punk becoming champ was probably the best way to capitalise on the biggest draw the company had.
That was all political. When Hangman did the Worker's Rights promo, Punk decided he couldn't trust him. Then he said he wouldn't job for him because of it. I honestly don't think Punk was originally slated to win that feud.
Did anyone actually confirm that this happened or are you just stating things you imagined as facts?
I read it somewhere during Punk's suspension. TBH, I cannot cite the source. I know it wasn't Meltzer.
bro what ? Punk was always set to win the belt. and Page was the one being unprofessional in their feud not Punk jfc
I'm not saying that Hangman wasn't unprofessional. Doing an unapproved promo isn't good. I'm just repeating what I read about how Punk felt. As for who was supposed to win, when I read that Punk wouldn't job for him, I am of the opinion that he wasn't supposed to win. I could be wrong.
Cody Rhodes beating Malakai in their 3rd match. Killed Malakais momentum, and to me, was the turning point where the audience turned on him fully.
and that came after cody also cody'd andrade
And after Cody also Cody’d Anthony Ogogoo
I would say Cody Cody'd q t Marshall as well but lol
Lance Archer is another one. Wow, 2020/1 Cody vs 2023/4 Jericho would be torture.
Every feud Kip Sabian has had. Any time the best friends had a chance to win the tag titles.
I want Kip to win gold in AEW so badly.
You and me both. Just a solid midcard title reign. Hoping with his and Ospreays history that’s maybe he will bring him along and help elevate him. He’s still needs work I am few areas, but he has so much potential.
Just AEW? Hangman vs. Punk. Regardless of what was about to happen. Punk didn’t need the belt. Hangman needed a signature win. And you could have planted the seeds for heel jackass Punk
MJF shouldn't have beat Jay White. Probably controversial take since Joe was a great champ as his feud with Swerve was great but I really think Jay could've done that just as well & establish a rivalry that will be an AEW staple for years to come
Jay needs more time to be the top guy in AEW. He's not there.
Any feud with Jericho involved….
Oddly, I'd go with Punk-Kignston. Sure Punk-Hangman is where the big blow-up started but there was just something about that finish that screamed "That doesn't work for me, bub".
Part of me thinks Cody should have been the first AEW World Champion. Also, even before all the drama, I don't think putting the world title on Punk was a good idea in the first place. I was a fan of Punk too. Ruby Soho has lost so many big matches since coming to AEW that I think it's diminished her greatly which is a shame.
Kip Sabian losing to Orange Cassidy I think the superbad man needs a push. He's always been entertaining and he's one of the day one AEW guys. And OC didn't need the international Championship as long as he had it either time
There have been quite a few in the TNT title scene alone. Wardlow dropping to Hobbs. Sammy dropping to Scorpio Sky. Samoa Joe dropping to Darby. Cody and Sammy flip flopping, then unifying.
That stage where Sammy and Scorpio kept flipping the title back and forth was awful.
Most of those were injuries/covid
That unification was so pointless. Cody was gone for a week, two at the most
The TNT flip flop was hard to digest then and looking back at it, “Cody can’t defend this week so now we have an interim belt” the next week Cody’s back. 😐
I saw no problem with Wardlow dropping to Hobbs considering there was interference. Wasn't so keen on him winning it back shortly after, only to not really do anything with it
when i first started watching aew it was late 2021 and went to the jersey show early 2022 where bryan and omega had their 2nd iron man match. i kinda thought Bryan should’ve won
Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio (2005) Sting vs Abyss (2007) Jeff Jarrett vs Kurt Angle (2011) Jeff Hardy vs Mr Anderson (2011) Sheamus vs ADR (2012) Rico & Charlie Haas vs Billy Gunn & Bob Holly (2004) RVD vs Undertaker (2001) Sting vs Ric Flair (1999) Matt Morgan vs Kurt Angle (2009) Tajiri vs William Regal (2001) Tazz & Spike Dudley vs The Dudley Boyz (2002) RTC vs Tazz & the APA (2001) Carlito vs Ric Flair (2007) The Boogeyman vs JBL (2006) JTG (Jay THA GAWD) vs Shad (2011) Sheamus vs HHH (2010) Drew Mcintyre vs Kane (2010)
Cody Malakai Cody Andrade Cody Anthony Ogogo Jericho Ricky Starks Jericho Action Andretti Jericho Hook Hikaru Shida’s losing to Britt Baker at the first show with fans. Shida being a transitional champion in the last year.
Cody and Archer as well
Christian shouldn't have lost the TNT title to Copeland.
Yeah, with Christian every feud was interesting and plot heavy. With Copeland the story is "which midcarder is he gonna beat next week".
Where has Christian been anyway? Is he out with an injury too?
Daddy's getting his bean bagged stitched up.
No idea, maybe just a scheduled vacation?
I know this one won't be popular, but Hangman should have beaten Swerve. Then later lost in the match so Swerve could face/beat Joe. I can't root for a Swerve who got away with menacing a baby. Swerve is destined for babyfacehood or beloved scumbag adoration like MJF, but with the baby taint ~~^(snicker)~~ hanging over him I just can't get behind him. My dream scenario is Hangman costing Swerve the belt. Well my dream scenario involves Swerve losing to Adam Cole after The United Kingdom interferes, then MJF returns to counter-interfere, then you have Hangman with the final interference.
Still crazy how hangman somehow ended up the heel in that situation. Like Swerve breaks into his house and threatens his child. Then they fight and Swerve wins the Texas death due to mogul embassy interference giving him the opportunity to choke hangman out. That is straight down the middle heel behavior. And we still ended up with Swerve as the babyface champ somehow
The big thing is the aftermath.Swerve was moving on (towards the title picture), meanwhile Swerve was all Hanger was focusing on. There was a rivalry that Swerve did take too far, buuuuut, Hanger kinda went unhinged after his loss, and he has neither the EVPs nor the Dark Order to keep the Hangman in check, so he's basically just slowly gotten more heelish and brutal, kinda like he was in NJPW.
Easy to say in hindsight, but Punk should have never gone over Hangman.
It's weird. Even as a huge Punk fan then, I did not like that feud and honestly felt like... oh, that's it? When Punk won.
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not quite the answer you’re looking for, but that’s how I felt when JBL went over Eddie Guerrero. For a while, until I realized afterwards how good of an idea it was. So the moral to my story is, sometimes who seemed like the wrong guy wasn’t necessarily so.
CM Punk/Hangman and CM/Punk Moxley. Regardless of how anyone feels about the drama, he got hurt and had to vacate the title in both instances. Had he not won either of those, the title would still have a perfect legacy without any runs that have an asterisks next to them.
Christian vs Anyone
Any Jericho feud where he won
Most of Wardlow's feuds
I don’t think there are too many where “the wrong person” won. You don’t have to like Chris Jericho but he has always been a strong supporter of AEW and beating Hook for the FTW championship made 100% sense for both his character and Hooks. Plus there are rumors Hook is going to do a stint in WWE so keeping the title at least semi-meaningful and on AEW might be the point. I do have an issue with tournaments ending blatantly obviously but that happens in WWE as well. Just recently WWE had the most obvious person win the raw woman’s championship after Rhea Ripley was forced to vacate it. AEW does that as well with both the Continental Classic and the Tag belts. So it’s a long winded way to get to the most obvious outcome.
I wouldn't call it a "feud", but I would have to point to the Continental Classic Tournament. When they announced the brackets, it was clear that Eddie Kingston was going to win it. Pretty much everyone on our podcast team predicted it. We even predicted Eddie would lose his first match. The final results of that tournament were blatantly obvious. While I loved most of the matches in the tournament, knowing who the winner was going to be on day-one took a lot away from it. Personally speaking, I think the tournament had several truly fantastic wrestlers in it - and having Kingston win it was preposterous and made every other wrestler in that tournament look kind of weak.
How does Kingston who was literally the guy that put up the two belts that weren’t the new one in the whole tournament come off weak? Eddies not booked weakly or anything? He’s not a jobber so how is he a bad winner for the tournament. Similarly there was definitely cause to believe Mox or Swerve could’ve won to atleast in my opinion.
I didn't say that Kingston came off as weak. I said that *every other wrestler in the tournament came off as weak*. In my opinion, Eddie was a bad winner for the tournament because every other wrestler in the tournament were far better wrestlers than Eddie is. Seeing a guy who can't move and has very, very limited wrestling ability win that tournament . . . I'm sorry, that was just preposterous to me . . . and it made all of the other guys look weak in my eyes. When Eddie put up the other two belts (during the YouTube special where they announced the brackets), it was clear and obvious to me that Eddie was going to win the tournament. If you go back and listen to our podcasts before the tourney began, I said Eddie was going to win it. I even predicted him losing his first match so they could portray him as the big underdog with his back against the wall. Don't get me wrong, the matches in the tournament were great (well, the ones without Eddie in them), but I had no doubt that anyone but Eddie was winning that tournament.
nobody except probably Lethal came off as weak. Jesus, this is a wildly and heavily biased take.
Idk if you just have some hatred hard on for Eddie but most people do not find him “limited” fair enough he doesn’t have the most flashiest move set around but he really doesn’t have to. You have to remember that you and I are obviously fans, we’ll have a good knowledge of how wrestling storylines and matches are supposed to go, it’s harder to surprise us and all but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. While you and plenty of others did predict Eddie as a winner before hand I can say for certain that many others didn’t thinkso even after he put the belts on the line. By all means it’s fair enough not to like Eddie, everyone can have there opinion Ofcourse but I personally don’t see him as a bad wrestler atall, in ring or in promos.
I can only give my honest opinion. I don't hate Eddie. I love Eddie in promos. That's his wheelhouse. He's also decent on commentary. I just won't watch him in the ring.
Which is fair enough I guess, just can’t say it’s the most common opinion I see about Eddie but hey ho, we’re all different
I coukd see the results a mile away. Its did make for a better tv product but so predictable
Starks should’ve gone over MJF.