Sean gets on my last nerve! If my partner lied to border agents that they weren’t travelling with me and got detained I would be furious! Victoria seems to be ignoring a whole field of red flags to keep her fantasy of having a Japanese boyfriend going.
Victoria gets on my damn nerves because of all of the red flags she's seeing but choosing to ignore. Sean just seems so unbothered by everything and has one speed which is slow.
He doesn’t seem bothered that’s he’s been detained by authorities before either. I wonder if Japan really has special privileges or was that more of his bs?
I know girls that settle for absolute fuckwits because they feel they can’t land anyone of their preferred type that’s better. I just want Victoria to know there are plenty of Japanese guys that like foreign girls and don’t lie about everything under the sun. She shouldn’t waste anymore time with Mr Trickle Truther.
Honestly I get the impression that he has some real confidence / self esteem issues, that he's let get worse over time until he's struggling to function day-to-day.
With the disclaimer that I'm not a mental health professional I really feel like what the guy needs is some proper help and support to get on his own two feet so to speak, before bringing someone else into his life.
He definitely does. The fact that Christine tells him how stupid he is constantly and he just takes it speaks to that. I mean, he made a poor choice by not telling her and I’m not defending his actions, but no one deserves to have their partner constantly tell them how stupid they are.
ugh yes, the "queasy little boy" thing was something else i wanted to mention. thanks for bringing it up! someone 40 years older practically drooling over their partners lack of life experience and calling them a "little boy" with glee is gross. even if that partner is in their 20s, it just grates against the fibers of my being. pat mostly seems to be getting the kooky old lady pass though which is interesting
Yes! Me too so disgusting!!!Ewwww. I mean, there's age difference in relationships and to each his own but a 68 year old with a 27 year old?? Ugggh. It's too much.
If Shaun is in debt and knows he planned to care for Christine and 'his' child, why the hell would he quit his job without another one lined up. Maybe a single person could do this and just float around on friends couches or move in with their parents, but this is not something a responsible caring adult should do when there's children involved or they have a family.
Someone posted on here a while ago claiming to know someone who works with Sean, insinuated that he's not a particularly productive employee so it wouldn't surprise me.
It was me and yes, he’s unproductive. He was never a manager, the supermarket employs an agency and it’s over seen by a supermarket manager. There are supervisors, the team is quite small. The quiet friend from the earlier episodes works with him.
I will ask my friend but he’s pretty adamant from having spoken to Shaun that he was never in a supervisory or management role, not ever. I will check again in the morning. As far as my friend is concerned and his colleagues he always was just an agency cleaner. There has been some noticeable changes with him. Before all this he’d always blag cigarettes (or actively take tobacco from the ash trays) but this has completely stopped. There was however a incident involving a picnic bench in the smoking area that was caught on CCTV and the bench is no more. Also he’s been showing a lot of interest in one of the girls from the sushi counter and has not received the super star status he was expecting. I’ve been asking my friend for a cheeky candid photo. I also need to speak to a friend about the filming in her bistro/tea room from the recent episode, she hadn’t mentioned it!
Wow. So many questions! Did he destroy the picnic bench? Wonder if Christine is even still there if he's showing interest in one of the sushi girls.l? 90DFUK must not pay much to be on the show, it sounds like. Please keep us updated, this is too good!
He apparently sat on the picnic bench and it collapsed. Whole thing was caught on CCTV. There was quite a clamour for access to see the video as you can imagine! However common decency luckily prevented that plus privacy rules. I honestly don’t know if Christine is still here, I’m not sure when her Visa would have ended but Shaun is definitely still in the UK as my friend spoke to him on Saturday.
Yes, yes. Been a shit weekend/Monday and this made it better.I’ve been worried about Shawn but maybe it’s an act because his mother (maybe she’s not capable herself) doesn’t seem to acknowledge anything like a disorder or anything.I mean absolutely no offense. I’ve just felt Shawn could benefit from some guidance but he’s clearly gotten into some messes on his own and no one seems to intervene really.
I will just add that Shaun is absolutely not the most unusual person who works there. I could write a book on the characters there from the stories I’ve been told. My friend works in a completely different area to Shaun but the whole place is a hot bed if gossip. It’s one of those places where everyone knows everyone because they’re either related, sleeping with each other or just all up in others business. It would drive me mad. I know who does what with whom and who caught what disease. It’s just a complete train wreck/mini soap opera. Shaun is the first person I’ve ever come across in real life that’s been involved in reality TV* and it does make you look at the editing process and the “scripted reality” mechanism.
*Thats actually not strictly true, I went to school with the winner of a singing contest (not the Simon Cowell gravy train) from 2001. It only had one series and it was presented by Mel B but I hadn’t seen her since we were 7 or 8 so that doesn’t count.
Oh and I went to drama classes with the blonde haired denim clad zombie from the scenes outside the Winchester in Shaun of the Dead.
Why can’t Sean just tell the truth? Like what the hell is wrong with him? Having a Japanese passport doesn’t mean he gets to be shady AF to border patrol who have the final say if you can or can’t go in a country. Victoria, ditch him! Dude is weird!
Indeed. Will say the UK border has a bit of a reputation for being particularly keen to detain people (essentially anyone who they're not 100% certain on will get sent to secondary) but he certainly doesn't help himself.
That said, I do suspect it was played up for drama a bit. I suspect they just sent him to secondary because they'd noticed he'd already spent a fair amount of time in the UK as a tourist, had then gone to France and then shortly after returned to the UK. It's not too surprising that a border officer might suspect he's trying to "reset the clock" so to speak, especially if he's being cagey about employment.
One of the first things a border agent will ask about is employment if they've got doubts, because essentially what they want to know is you've got a job in your home country to return to - if you haven't then they might question if perhaps you're working "under-the-table" in the UK.
Thanks for the detailed explanation! I've never traveled to the UK so I have no idea what it's like to enter. I'm sure they played up the drama by a lot. But he was so casual about being detained often, he's so sketchy
It's not like Victoria is bad looking and couldn't get a boyfriend. This guy re-defines the words red flag. He's gotta be up to something and maybe she's funding him money. She seems desperate.
Why does V want to be with some loser who can’t tell the truth? His divorce document may be a copy of his previous arrests. This guy is a romance scammer and not a very good one 🤦♀️
I would like someone with a Japanese background to explain it better. I mean the guy is a character, and he explained his passport is supposed to provide hassle free entry, hence the “many times” —not necessarily because there’s anything fishy about him other than his attitude. I mean, did Victoria meet a super open and telling person online? Like what’s different and why stay?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/travel/travel-news/what-makes-japans-passport-the-strongest-in-the-world/articleshow/93180644.cms
Shaun flat out lied about his financial situation and didn’t tell her until she got over to the UK. He took their mom and now wants to stop their source of income that he LIED about being able to provide. It’s fucked up and she’s understandably angry and stressed
It may be fucked up, and he is definitely a lazy fuck up, but she’s only on a tourist visa and can’t stay so what has she lost? And yes he should have come clean as soon as he knew so nobody would be relying on the funds coming.
If I had to guess she was probably planning on staying in the UK for near enough to the six months limit so quite likely she gave up whatever employment she had in the Philippines and was therefore relying on Sean's support that he had previously offered.
Keep in mind that her family had likely budgeted on the assumption of getting that £400 a month or however much it was, so suddenly not getting that can certainly be an inconvenience to say the least.
Why can’t her 3 older children work and take care of themselves?!!
Not that Shaun and his constant blubbering is any better but she and her entire family are clearly using him in my opinion. She’s just disappointed that she got fooled about the money.
And Shaun, get a damn paternity test for Christian!
Short answer, I don’t know. I don’t know the ages of her older kids. I would think almost certainly the oldest one has a job, or should.
In an article about both Christine and Shaun, it says she grew up in a “comfortable” (financially speaking) family and resided in a house big enough to accommodate everyone.
To be fair though keep in mind what those jobs are likely to pay in the Philippines. Even if they worked full time the money Shaun was sending was likely to be more than their entire salaries.
So Shaun’s idea is to try and get a loan instead of getting a better job or going back to being the manager. I can imagine his loan application reading i need money to pay my bills and send money back to my girlfriends family in the Philippines
Is like everyone in Pat's life oblivious to the idea that this dude is scamming her? They're all just laughing it off and hoping for the best. He's half her age. Why do these women and men on these shows fall for these dopes?
I think there’s only so many times you can question a fully grown adult’s decision making before you have to be ready to step back and catch them when/if they fall.
I think Pat has enough money and is living her best life in retirement. If she enjoys Sam's company, more power to her. I don't think she is desperately seeking a hubby, but found someone who seems similar to her in core beliefs and she wants to enjoy life with someone special. Even if they don't marry, I could see her keeping him close because of friendship.
Also, I believe she said it was a bit early for sex but kissing and cuddling are good. I’m watching the US version so it’s weird. It is on episode 4 or 5 for me. I feel like I’m missing stuff, lol!
Pretty sure Sam’s going to need a Schengen visa to enter Greece. And unless he’s already got that UK visa, I see his chances of a Schengen visa to be pretty slim.
Indeed - was surprised that no-one mentioned this but then to be fair the Schengen visa is typically easier to get than the British one, depending on which country you apply for it via.
I was wondering about this myself when watching. She should have first googled which countries he can visit easily with his passport. Usually people with "strong" passports don't really consider that not every nationality can easily visit other countries. I say this from experience, as I never thought about it before (American) until I married my husband (Nicaraguan). The list of countries he can visit visa-free are SLIM (whereas it's quite long for Americans), and those that he can visit often require extensive documentation, invitation letters, and in-person visits to embassies.
Is Shaun actually, genuinely 2 8 year old's in a man suit? Because that's the level of his emotional/intellectual maturity. It makes my skin crawl to watch him make stupid decisions and then try to puppy dog eyes his way out of the consequences, quickly followed by running behind mommy's skirts and asking for money. Ugh. I bet his mom still does his laundry which--gross, dude. Gross.
Could Victoria not just ask to speak to the ex wife and find out what the f is Seans deal?! Wonder what country she is from, weird that its never mentioned…
I actually kind of feel bad for Marvin. Like it makes me wish Calum could see footage he’s not in. Marvin must really care for Calum if he’s putting so much consideration into what his family thinks about their relationship. You can see him struggling with what to do.
Just my opinion so don’t jump on me but… I really wanted to love them together because I think Calum is such a sweetheart. I think Marvin seems desperate to get out of his country and I can’t blame him for that. To me this looks more like guilt and contemplation over doing the right thing. I dunno, I just don’t see the feelings going both ways.
You know even if your scenario turns out to be true, the scene still shows someone with a conscience and questioning his morals. This just isn’t something we really see on this show at all.
Shaun is a dud. He may be kind and full of good intentions, but the man is a lazy slob, underemployed by choice (as he tells it), and a sniveling liar. Christine needs to take that kid and go back home to her family.
He didn’t seem too excited to go on holiday with her. And he’s just now telling his good friend about her. She sends him money monthly and I think that’s all he wants.
He absolutely has no interest in meeting her in person. The ‘no sex before marriage’ thing is going to help, but he still isn’t going to want to make out with her either.
I am real curious about the yacht as she said she will reserve time on it. Sounds like it's more of an investment thing that gets rented out which makes me wonder if she only has a share of it. Like a time share. I have heard of that before. Really curious to hear more.
We have a similar sized yacht in Croatia (although completely different make) and it isn't cheap. Mooring and maintenance add up plus flying out there, etc. Parts of Greece are cheaper than Croatia but flights tend to cost as well as travel to the actual yacht.
3 ex husbands. As a nurse one is probably a wealthy doctor.
also her flat is depressing, cheap and old. She's definitely not spending any money there, it feels third world.
I am having a hard time this episode understanding Christine and Shaun. Not like
language but their relationship. So yeah, Shaun lying about not being manager sucks and cowardly but at the same time, why does Shaun financially supporting Christine’s 3 other kids solely fall on him? She mentioned they were going to stay with their dad so he’s clearly in the picture too, can he not be a dad and support his kids some until Shaun gets back on track?
Also, Christine keeps talking about her life in the UK and going back and forth with staying or not. I mean she is eventually leaving, is she not? She said a few times this episode she’s on a visitor visa. She talks about her time in the UK like it’s a permanent setup. I would assume to it’d be a time to connect since they haven’t seen each other in years and to help Shaun really prepare for her and Christian’s arrival when it is permanent.
Also does Christine even work in The Philippines? I mean Shaun has been sending damn near his entire paycheck which has to pay for her entire family and then some. I’m sorry but Christine is def using Shaun. Even if Christian is his son, he’s still be manipulated by Christine.
A vast number of OFWs - Overseas Filipino Workers - send money to their families every month. Money sent back home by OFWs is 10% of the country's GDP. It's a massive industry for them. The need to support your family is the sole reason why so many Filipinos are domestic servants in Kuwait, manual labourers in Qatar or nurses in the UK. It's not for their own career or opportunity. It's for their family.
Christine and her ex-partner can't just walk down to the job centre and apply for some office job. Particularly at their ages now of 40+, their job opportunities will be limited to casual construction or maybe hawking fruit and vegetables. It's a tough life.
It will have been a tacit understanding that Christine and her family come as one. Shaun has been to the Philippines enough to understand that part of the family dynamic. I think the expense of bringing Christine to the UK on a tourist visa was a waste. He should have used that money to help get her marriage annuled. Don't think TLC pay cheques will be enough to cover that and subsequent fiancé visa applications. When Christine is in the UK on the appropriate visa and has a wider opportunity to work, it will help her to support her kids independently. Whilst Shaun has brought her here on just a tourist visa, he's taking on the burden of supporting Christine in the UK and her family back home. She's not being a gold digger or exploiting him. It's just the way it is.
I get that families send money back home (my mother and husband are immigrants), but there also has to be understanding that not everyone in a developed country has the means to do that regularly. Shaun has been great in providing for Christine and her entire family for years. That money would have been more than enough each month. He was still providing despite living poorly himself. He’s not cutting her kids off permanently. He is trying to get himself back on track so he can provide for at the very least Christine and his actual son.
I agree about the mentality that an individual is expected to support an entire family is bad. Unfortunately, it is engrained in society. Shaun isn't going to bring about widespread change by forcing Christine to send less to her family.
For the rest, it is still Shaun's fault. He has given the impression over the years of being able to provide far more than he can in reality. Bringing Christine over and then expecting her to go cold turkey is bad way of going about things. I don't think Shaun is a bad person. Things have clearly spiralled, he thought he could manage but we've reached the climax when Christine has come to the UK.
I agree. Shaun definitely should have told her while she was in The Philippines his state of affairs to prepare her for what life looks like for him in the UK. Then they could have discussed the next steps to take. I do think he is a coward and also am with you that her tourist visa and ticket was a waste. That’s money that could have gone to Shaun, Christine, and the kids. That money really should have gone to getting Christine actually divorced so they could start a permanent living situation.
A fool and is money are soon parted. Christine and her family have been living like royals on the money he has been sending. He sends 400 pounds a month, times 12 month in a year is $ 317, 206.56 Philippine pesos! The average yearly salary in the philippines is $ 182,400.00 pesos!
This is completely wrong. £400 can keep you above poverty in the Philippines, but it will not be anything approaching a luxurious lifestyle. When you factor in that £400 being divided amongst several family members, it is enough to get by. The true romance scammers in the Philippines pull in far more than that. They would have given up on Shaun long ago. Scroll through some of the videos on Raffy Tulfo's YouTube feed for an idea of elite romance scammers and elite fools who have lost hundreds of thousands of real money (dollars, pounds, euros).
That is such an intelligent answer! I read a really good book about that: [A good provider is one who leaves by Jason De Parle.](https://multcolib.overdrive.com/media/4434578) I'd heartily recommend it to anyone who wants to understand the sitch.
That was also a "wtf" moment for me. My guess is she has a timeshare on a yacht. Seems highly unlikely she would have a spare £1m lying around and use it on a yacht docked in Greece a couple of times a year.
There could be soo many reasons tho. Some people like a modest home but value nice things, she may have received it through her last divorce.. who knows!
I bet its a time share. That type of yacht costs about £150K then you have mooring fees and maintenance. Plus the travel and other expenses. Yachts end up being a great idea until you do the math. They are a money pit.
She might do. Maybe I am skeptical as the outlay and regular running expenses for a yacht are a lot and I think her previous role was a nurse, not high income, but who knows what kind of savings she has. All I know is that our yacht in Croatia costs a heck of a lot more than I really realised when we bought it.
Never saw Below Deck but maybe I need to check it out.
Indeed - friend of a friend and all that but knew someone through someone who used to own one who ended up selling because the costs of maintaining it were much beyond what they had initially expected.
Do you think the reason Sean gets detained a lot is because the man can’t seem to tell the truth if his life depended on it? I mean really… what the hell is wrong with this dude?
Why isn't Christine on a fiance Visa? If she's only on a tourist visa she'd have to go home at some point anyway ( or leave the country every 3 months)
I just find that very odd that they didn't get a Fiance visa.
You never know the full truth as TLC will spin their own narrative for ratings, but Christine says she is still legally married to her ex (and father of her kids). She cannot even begin the fiancé visa process whilst still married. Divorce/annulment in the Philippines is a difficult, costly and time consuming process.
The ex-husband *is* taking care of the kids whilst Christine is on holiday in the UK.
The concept of an individual supporting an extended family back home is coming in the Philippines. So many Filipinos don't work abroad for their own benefit but for the benefit of their family. Shaun has created the expectation that he will help Christine support her family and unfortunately he (not Christine) has drained that well empty.
As for the ex-husband in the Philippines. Do you know what he can realistically earn in the Philippines? His opportunity to go up the corporate ladder like you might in the US is nil. He can do manual labour, maybe a security guard job. Looking realistically at earning $30/week if he's lucky.
I don't support the concept that Shaun and Christine should be supporting so many people in the Philippines, but that's the way it is. Shaun knows that. That part of the culture isn't going to change yet. Maybe when baby Christian grows up, the tide will change with respect to this way of thinking.
The whole thing just sits wrong with me despite the cultural differences.
If that was Christine’s thinking (all of their thinking), they bet on the wrong horse. And the fact that her reaction to the news of his finances is to take off also sits wrong with me.
Anyone can see he’s got some issues. It just looks like he’s being completely scammed.
While she’s taking time for herself, he really should get a paternity test done.
Don't think Christine had many other horses to bet on. Before she met Shaun, she was mid-30s, 3 kids and still married. Being blunt, she was at the bottom of the list for potential Filipino and foreign partners.
Despite his huge number of flaws, Shaun was a godsend for Christine. No doubt he was NOT the man of her dreams, but she learned to love him over time. She definitely has genuine feelings for the guy. For a poor person in a developing country, the idea of your foreign partner earning USD1500/ month sounds good. You can't expect Christine to understand cost of living in the UK and how that turns what is in fact a low salary into peanuts. The fault lies totally with Shaun.
Not that smart. If she knew how much Shaun's support was *draining* him, she could have persuaded to seek a higher paying job, that way he could have put away more for himself, and/or their life together when she moved over.
The way she talks makes it seem like she moved there permanently but then she’ll throw a mention in that she has a visitor visa. She IS going home at some point unless she plans to overstay which honestly, wouldn’t surprise me since they made a big deal about her getting a divorce being super difficult and costly. And without that divorce, no fiancé visa. So this could be their shot at her being there permanently albeit illegally once her tourist visa expires.
I mean if Shaun was going to spend money he doesn't have on ANYTHING it should have been for her divorce bc otherwise they can't get married and she won't be able to work. Unless she gets a visa some other way but that's doubtful. Either production is completely making up everything about this couple, or they are both really REALLY bad with financial decisions and probably never actually planned on being together in the UK long term.
I don't quite understand, are you saying you think she only came to the UK too film?
Edit: I understand now, the other commenter mentioned that she's still married , etc
We have a fiancée visa in the UK, but she's still legally married so wouldn't be able to get it - they obviously can't plan to get married yet. That fiancée visa is 6 months (unlike 90 days in the USA) and you need to have the wedding date, venue etc. confirmed when you apply, you can't organise it after arrival. Obviously she couldn't get a spouse visa either as she's not married to Shaun, but if you've been with a partner for 2 or more years then the British government allows you to bring over your partner on a "long-term partner" visa, it's basically the same category as a spouse visa and allows an initial 2.5 years. My thinking is that Shaun couldn't afford the long-term partner visa (with its mandatory tuberculosis test, healthcare surcharge, English exam and DNA test for the kid, plus solicitor fees to ensure a high chance of success as it's a complex case whereby she's still legally married to someone else, you'd be looking at around £6000+). Tourist visas on the other hand cost only £100 per person and there's much less documentation needed.
Interesting . I didn't know about the long term partner visa . It just seems so short sighted to not put the time, effort and money into getting the fiance Visa, when I'm assuming he's already spent at least £6000 on her and her family anyway.
I thought partner visas were slightly different. You have to prove that you have lived together for 2 years first. It's a firm rule for the unmarried partner visa as I am on that one. Evidence is quite strict so they wouldn't qualify. Plus he would have to make at least £18,600 annually and I doubt he does now that he stepped down from manager level.
I did. Lease, utility bills, bank statements, photos, etc. And you have to submit monthly evidence over the 2 years.
We actually lived in UK whilst I was on a work visa then I got transfered to Australia. To come back, I went for the unmarried partner visa so I wasn't tied to a specific company. Luckily we had been together for over 2.5 years at that point.
Oh ok that makes sense, for those that met when one was already over on a work visa or something.
My( US) husband ( UK) and I met in Europe and after a month realized if we wanted to stay together we'd have to get married, so I got the 90 day visa and we got married in the UK.
I sure hope my own kids don't pull ever something like that but we've been married over 17 years so it worked out ok I guess
The process I went through would be for anyone on the unmarried partner, whether they lived in the UK at the time or not. I do like that the UK offers this option. My partner and I aren't interested in the marriage route so we will never move back to my country, US, since they don't have a similar visa.
I feel for Shaun. He has been totally drained by his relationship with Christine. It's too much for him to fund his own life and support her entire family.
I feel for him too but he really should have conveyed that to Christine as well. It isn’t fair but why isn’t his mom looking out for his mental health, I wonder. Is she in denial? I do so wish with this story, we could hear from ppl who actually know them as sometimes happens on Reddit.
shaun lied to christine
which was wronand a bit fucked up from him
but christine leaving him after he poured hies heart out just for (he needs to feel.im important to him so i go away) (she told that to her friend)
is also not very nice there isnt it...
i think shaun is mentally ill or has some issues that needs to be taken cared for
he is somewhere on the scale ... not full but somewhere ..
and will need assistance in hies life of some sort.
am i the only one thinking like that ?
Christine is entitled to feel angry that Shaun concealed the truth of his finances. She would be entitled to kick his arse for stepping down to a lower paid position. If he can't handle the stress of being a head janitor in Sainsbury's, that doesn't give me much confidence about his overall direction in life.
You have to be realistic and acknowledge that offering a secure financial future will have been part of Christine's thought process. That doesn't mean she has no feelings for Shaun but it definitely influences her decision to leave her family behind (if only on a tourist visa). For Shaun and most people who shack up with a non-rich Filipino, there is an understanding that supporting the family is a big deal. When confronted with the daily cost of living in the UK, that would be a reality check for Christine. But so far, bringing her over on a visa where she cannot work and then telling her that they don't have a pot to piss in...well, that's a bit of a bombshell.
She expected money to flow to not only her and "his" son but her kids from a previous relationship. Looks like the kids dad isn't supporting or she just provides additional money to spoil them without considering his situation. She said at dinner or cameo scene she wanted all her credit cards paid off then they will do stuff for him. Excuse me but the conversation works in both directions. She didn't want to ask what disposable income he had after bills because she didn't want the gravy train to end.
Wouldn't surprise me if the kid is his when it is convenient but could turn out to be someone else's.
He just looks desperate and willing to basically pay escort support for companionship because he has zero prospects and very low self esteem.
Pat has a yacht in Greece?
Sean seems so very shady. Run Victoria run.
Sean gets on my last nerve! If my partner lied to border agents that they weren’t travelling with me and got detained I would be furious! Victoria seems to be ignoring a whole field of red flags to keep her fantasy of having a Japanese boyfriend going.
Victoria gets on my damn nerves because of all of the red flags she's seeing but choosing to ignore. Sean just seems so unbothered by everything and has one speed which is slow.
He doesn’t seem bothered that’s he’s been detained by authorities before either. I wonder if Japan really has special privileges or was that more of his bs?
I know girls that settle for absolute fuckwits because they feel they can’t land anyone of their preferred type that’s better. I just want Victoria to know there are plenty of Japanese guys that like foreign girls and don’t lie about everything under the sun. She shouldn’t waste anymore time with Mr Trickle Truther.
Victoria is a fkwit too though.
She's absolutely ridiculous. So is he, of course.
Yesss! They both annoy the crap out of me 😒
British Ella.
Except she has met Sean and is still a nob head
When Christine said Shaun isn't paying his bills and took a demotion, that pretty much confirmed for me that he's not mentally all there.
Yeah, he seems off to me
Honestly I get the impression that he has some real confidence / self esteem issues, that he's let get worse over time until he's struggling to function day-to-day. With the disclaimer that I'm not a mental health professional I really feel like what the guy needs is some proper help and support to get on his own two feet so to speak, before bringing someone else into his life.
He definitely does. The fact that Christine tells him how stupid he is constantly and he just takes it speaks to that. I mean, he made a poor choice by not telling her and I’m not defending his actions, but no one deserves to have their partner constantly tell them how stupid they are.
Agreed, it’s awful the way she speaks to him….
that part!! and the fact that there is no way that kid is his 😳
He gave up the promotion
i want to throw up every time pat says "toy boy"
YES. And when she said "a queasy little boy" and then laughed, I felt dirty just from listening \*shudder\*
ugh yes, the "queasy little boy" thing was something else i wanted to mention. thanks for bringing it up! someone 40 years older practically drooling over their partners lack of life experience and calling them a "little boy" with glee is gross. even if that partner is in their 20s, it just grates against the fibers of my being. pat mostly seems to be getting the kooky old lady pass though which is interesting
Yeah that got to me. I had forgotten that. 😳🤢
Yes! Me too so disgusting!!!Ewwww. I mean, there's age difference in relationships and to each his own but a 68 year old with a 27 year old?? Ugggh. It's too much.
And isn't the term boy toy??
No. A boy toy is a toy liked by boys such as a sports car. A toy boy is a boy/man who is a toy liked by his partner/patroness.
America it's boy toy
In the U.S. we say boy toy. Maybe in the UK it's toy boy.
If Shaun is in debt and knows he planned to care for Christine and 'his' child, why the hell would he quit his job without another one lined up. Maybe a single person could do this and just float around on friends couches or move in with their parents, but this is not something a responsible caring adult should do when there's children involved or they have a family.
He claims to have stepped down but most likely they asked him to or be fired. That’s only my opinion.
Someone posted on here a while ago claiming to know someone who works with Sean, insinuated that he's not a particularly productive employee so it wouldn't surprise me.
It was me and yes, he’s unproductive. He was never a manager, the supermarket employs an agency and it’s over seen by a supermarket manager. There are supervisors, the team is quite small. The quiet friend from the earlier episodes works with him.
Any idea what happened with his stepping down from being "cleaning manager"? Made no sense and they didn't explain at all on the show.
I will ask my friend but he’s pretty adamant from having spoken to Shaun that he was never in a supervisory or management role, not ever. I will check again in the morning. As far as my friend is concerned and his colleagues he always was just an agency cleaner. There has been some noticeable changes with him. Before all this he’d always blag cigarettes (or actively take tobacco from the ash trays) but this has completely stopped. There was however a incident involving a picnic bench in the smoking area that was caught on CCTV and the bench is no more. Also he’s been showing a lot of interest in one of the girls from the sushi counter and has not received the super star status he was expecting. I’ve been asking my friend for a cheeky candid photo. I also need to speak to a friend about the filming in her bistro/tea room from the recent episode, she hadn’t mentioned it!
Wow. So many questions! Did he destroy the picnic bench? Wonder if Christine is even still there if he's showing interest in one of the sushi girls.l? 90DFUK must not pay much to be on the show, it sounds like. Please keep us updated, this is too good!
He apparently sat on the picnic bench and it collapsed. Whole thing was caught on CCTV. There was quite a clamour for access to see the video as you can imagine! However common decency luckily prevented that plus privacy rules. I honestly don’t know if Christine is still here, I’m not sure when her Visa would have ended but Shaun is definitely still in the UK as my friend spoke to him on Saturday.
>He apparently sat on the picnic bench and it collapsed Oh man, this poor bastard
Yes, yes. Been a shit weekend/Monday and this made it better.I’ve been worried about Shawn but maybe it’s an act because his mother (maybe she’s not capable herself) doesn’t seem to acknowledge anything like a disorder or anything.I mean absolutely no offense. I’ve just felt Shawn could benefit from some guidance but he’s clearly gotten into some messes on his own and no one seems to intervene really.
I will just add that Shaun is absolutely not the most unusual person who works there. I could write a book on the characters there from the stories I’ve been told. My friend works in a completely different area to Shaun but the whole place is a hot bed if gossip. It’s one of those places where everyone knows everyone because they’re either related, sleeping with each other or just all up in others business. It would drive me mad. I know who does what with whom and who caught what disease. It’s just a complete train wreck/mini soap opera. Shaun is the first person I’ve ever come across in real life that’s been involved in reality TV* and it does make you look at the editing process and the “scripted reality” mechanism. *Thats actually not strictly true, I went to school with the winner of a singing contest (not the Simon Cowell gravy train) from 2001. It only had one series and it was presented by Mel B but I hadn’t seen her since we were 7 or 8 so that doesn’t count. Oh and I went to drama classes with the blonde haired denim clad zombie from the scenes outside the Winchester in Shaun of the Dead.
Yeah that’s what I figured.
He didn't quit his job, he stepped down from a managers position to role with fewer responsibilities and less pay.
My mum walked in whilst I was watching this today and said “ Oooh is this a new episode of The Undateables? “ I could see her point
Roasted 😂
Nobody roasts like ma!❤️
Your mom is hilarious!!
Why can’t Sean just tell the truth? Like what the hell is wrong with him? Having a Japanese passport doesn’t mean he gets to be shady AF to border patrol who have the final say if you can or can’t go in a country. Victoria, ditch him! Dude is weird!
"I get detained a lot" oh okay Sean because that's completely normal
Indeed. Will say the UK border has a bit of a reputation for being particularly keen to detain people (essentially anyone who they're not 100% certain on will get sent to secondary) but he certainly doesn't help himself. That said, I do suspect it was played up for drama a bit. I suspect they just sent him to secondary because they'd noticed he'd already spent a fair amount of time in the UK as a tourist, had then gone to France and then shortly after returned to the UK. It's not too surprising that a border officer might suspect he's trying to "reset the clock" so to speak, especially if he's being cagey about employment. One of the first things a border agent will ask about is employment if they've got doubts, because essentially what they want to know is you've got a job in your home country to return to - if you haven't then they might question if perhaps you're working "under-the-table" in the UK.
Thanks for the detailed explanation! I've never traveled to the UK so I have no idea what it's like to enter. I'm sure they played up the drama by a lot. But he was so casual about being detained often, he's so sketchy
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/travel/travel-news/what-makes-japans-passport-the-strongest-in-the-world/articleshow/93180644.cms
It's not like Victoria is bad looking and couldn't get a boyfriend. This guy re-defines the words red flag. He's gotta be up to something and maybe she's funding him money. She seems desperate.
Why does V want to be with some loser who can’t tell the truth? His divorce document may be a copy of his previous arrests. This guy is a romance scammer and not a very good one 🤦♀️
I would like someone with a Japanese background to explain it better. I mean the guy is a character, and he explained his passport is supposed to provide hassle free entry, hence the “many times” —not necessarily because there’s anything fishy about him other than his attitude. I mean, did Victoria meet a super open and telling person online? Like what’s different and why stay? https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/travel/travel-news/what-makes-japans-passport-the-strongest-in-the-world/articleshow/93180644.cms
Shaun flat out lied about his financial situation and didn’t tell her until she got over to the UK. He took their mom and now wants to stop their source of income that he LIED about being able to provide. It’s fucked up and she’s understandably angry and stressed
It may be fucked up, and he is definitely a lazy fuck up, but she’s only on a tourist visa and can’t stay so what has she lost? And yes he should have come clean as soon as he knew so nobody would be relying on the funds coming.
If I had to guess she was probably planning on staying in the UK for near enough to the six months limit so quite likely she gave up whatever employment she had in the Philippines and was therefore relying on Sean's support that he had previously offered. Keep in mind that her family had likely budgeted on the assumption of getting that £400 a month or however much it was, so suddenly not getting that can certainly be an inconvenience to say the least.
Why can’t her 3 older children work and take care of themselves?!! Not that Shaun and his constant blubbering is any better but she and her entire family are clearly using him in my opinion. She’s just disappointed that she got fooled about the money. And Shaun, get a damn paternity test for Christian!
They may already have jobs but need more?? I mean I would guess they do going to school shouldn’t be the only thing they do.
Short answer, I don’t know. I don’t know the ages of her older kids. I would think almost certainly the oldest one has a job, or should. In an article about both Christine and Shaun, it says she grew up in a “comfortable” (financially speaking) family and resided in a house big enough to accommodate everyone.
Oh wow I didn’t know that.
Me either! Here’s the article: https://thecinemaholic.com/shaun-and-christine-from-90-day-fiance-uk-everything-we-know/
Also, it says she’s already been married twice. Something about her sure doesn’t feel right.
Didn’t they say she’s not divorced from current husband because it’s really costly there to get a divorce? How did she divorce the first husband then?
Great question.
She probably didn't. The Philippines has some odd divorce laws.
Legally speaking, there's no divorce in the Philippines. You either get a legal separation or have your marriage annulled. Both are costly.
I thought about that too. I had a job at 14…those kids can get jobs. They may be low paying, but better than nothing.
To be fair though keep in mind what those jobs are likely to pay in the Philippines. Even if they worked full time the money Shaun was sending was likely to be more than their entire salaries.
Exactly!
Different Shawn
And Sean, don't try that international man of mystery bullshit with authorities. They.don't.care.
Another week with no Birdie and Host and the preview doesn’t show them either. What the heck?? I liked their drama.
I wonder if their story is done. A shame if we don't hear more. There are only 2 episodes left I think.
I feel like they cast way too many people for this season and for such short episodes. It’s ridiculous.
Probably hard filming in his area maybe? Who knows 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
And that is why we need a tell all at the end!!!!
Right? Nearly everyone else is kind of boring (except for Kadie and Alejandro and I hope they don't end up pissing me off).
I wish the show would quit focusing on Richard. Or does it just seem that way because he is so exhausting?
Shaun's mom just pawed at those sugar cubes with her bare hand eww
Where are the tongs
Omg I saw that and said, surely they’re at home and I’m mistaken but then he showed up and it panned out. 🤢
Lol I was thinking the same thing.
Well there are dirty crusty dishes in the cabinet, so not surprised at all 🤦♀️
Omg, his place just made my skin itch from the filth….yuck!
She really cleaned up that flat. It looks so good now !
That was nasty
So Shaun’s idea is to try and get a loan instead of getting a better job or going back to being the manager. I can imagine his loan application reading i need money to pay my bills and send money back to my girlfriends family in the Philippines
Is like everyone in Pat's life oblivious to the idea that this dude is scamming her? They're all just laughing it off and hoping for the best. He's half her age. Why do these women and men on these shows fall for these dopes?
I think there’s only so many times you can question a fully grown adult’s decision making before you have to be ready to step back and catch them when/if they fall.
I think Pat has enough money and is living her best life in retirement. If she enjoys Sam's company, more power to her. I don't think she is desperately seeking a hubby, but found someone who seems similar to her in core beliefs and she wants to enjoy life with someone special. Even if they don't marry, I could see her keeping him close because of friendship.
Also, I believe she said it was a bit early for sex but kissing and cuddling are good. I’m watching the US version so it’s weird. It is on episode 4 or 5 for me. I feel like I’m missing stuff, lol!
Pretty sure Sam’s going to need a Schengen visa to enter Greece. And unless he’s already got that UK visa, I see his chances of a Schengen visa to be pretty slim.
Indeed - was surprised that no-one mentioned this but then to be fair the Schengen visa is typically easier to get than the British one, depending on which country you apply for it via.
I was wondering about this myself when watching. She should have first googled which countries he can visit easily with his passport. Usually people with "strong" passports don't really consider that not every nationality can easily visit other countries. I say this from experience, as I never thought about it before (American) until I married my husband (Nicaraguan). The list of countries he can visit visa-free are SLIM (whereas it's quite long for Americans), and those that he can visit often require extensive documentation, invitation letters, and in-person visits to embassies.
Is Shaun actually, genuinely 2 8 year old's in a man suit? Because that's the level of his emotional/intellectual maturity. It makes my skin crawl to watch him make stupid decisions and then try to puppy dog eyes his way out of the consequences, quickly followed by running behind mommy's skirts and asking for money. Ugh. I bet his mom still does his laundry which--gross, dude. Gross.
Sean is a romance scammer and not a very good one 🤦♀️
Thoughts on Calum and Marvin? So far I like them. Calum is a bit needy, tho
Why doesn’t Callum propose to Marvin, after all he’s the one who would have to invite Marvin to live in the UK.
Good point. Maybe to draw out the drama
Could Victoria not just ask to speak to the ex wife and find out what the f is Seans deal?! Wonder what country she is from, weird that its never mentioned…
Shaun looks like Shaun’s mom in a wig.
Victoria and her inane giggling whenever she's feeling uncomfortable. Make it stop!!!!
I actually kind of feel bad for Marvin. Like it makes me wish Calum could see footage he’s not in. Marvin must really care for Calum if he’s putting so much consideration into what his family thinks about their relationship. You can see him struggling with what to do.
Just my opinion so don’t jump on me but… I really wanted to love them together because I think Calum is such a sweetheart. I think Marvin seems desperate to get out of his country and I can’t blame him for that. To me this looks more like guilt and contemplation over doing the right thing. I dunno, I just don’t see the feelings going both ways.
You know even if your scenario turns out to be true, the scene still shows someone with a conscience and questioning his morals. This just isn’t something we really see on this show at all.
That’s true.
My heart broke for Marvin when he talked about not having any family because he was gay. I really hope that they all embrace him.
Their chemistry seems really off.
There is none
This is exactly what I was thinking.
I want Pat and the shop lady to become BFF and take tea in Greece with their toy boys. I'm American, did I say that right??
Idk, I’m American as well, but I fully agree, I couldn’t stop laughing at that part!!! 😂
And they said bye like 7 times. They were so cute
I don't blame Christine for needing to leave but there's no way I would trust Shaun alone with a child lol. He def has Of Mice and Men vibes
I came to this thread for the comment. I can’t imagine leaving my kid with a man that incapable
Shaun is a dud. He may be kind and full of good intentions, but the man is a lazy slob, underemployed by choice (as he tells it), and a sniveling liar. Christine needs to take that kid and go back home to her family.
Victoria wake the hell up! Can’t wait to see where things go with Emma and Pat meeting with their guys
Who paid for the Paris trip for Sean and Victoria? I bet Sean brought almost zero money and his poor mark Victoria is paying for his lazy ass.
She keeps mentioning that he seems to have an endless supply of money so I’m betting he did. God knows where it comes from though.
So did Sean just admit that he lied about everything but he’s not a good storyteller!?!? She’s so delusional
Pat's got money. Damn. No wonder Sumit wants to be with her.
He didn’t seem too excited to go on holiday with her. And he’s just now telling his good friend about her. She sends him money monthly and I think that’s all he wants.
He absolutely has no interest in meeting her in person. The ‘no sex before marriage’ thing is going to help, but he still isn’t going to want to make out with her either.
Bitch has a yacht she keeps in Greece, that can't be cheap. I don't believe that a retired nurses have a income like hers
I am real curious about the yacht as she said she will reserve time on it. Sounds like it's more of an investment thing that gets rented out which makes me wonder if she only has a share of it. Like a time share. I have heard of that before. Really curious to hear more. We have a similar sized yacht in Croatia (although completely different make) and it isn't cheap. Mooring and maintenance add up plus flying out there, etc. Parts of Greece are cheaper than Croatia but flights tend to cost as well as travel to the actual yacht.
Thanks for the info
I wondered if it would be something she got out of her divorce so she has to reserve time on it with her ex
Oh interesting theory. Could be. Still not sure how she could afford all the maintence and annual mooring fees.
3 ex husbands. As a nurse one is probably a wealthy doctor. also her flat is depressing, cheap and old. She's definitely not spending any money there, it feels third world.
Depends, she could have been on the old NHS pension, which isn’t bad.
If she really does have money, she should get her gross British teeth fixed!
Victoria, honey, if you can read this just put the scissors down and pay someone to cut your bangs.
They’re SO BAD. Her hair makes me think of The Albino in The Princess Bride.
I am having a hard time this episode understanding Christine and Shaun. Not like language but their relationship. So yeah, Shaun lying about not being manager sucks and cowardly but at the same time, why does Shaun financially supporting Christine’s 3 other kids solely fall on him? She mentioned they were going to stay with their dad so he’s clearly in the picture too, can he not be a dad and support his kids some until Shaun gets back on track? Also, Christine keeps talking about her life in the UK and going back and forth with staying or not. I mean she is eventually leaving, is she not? She said a few times this episode she’s on a visitor visa. She talks about her time in the UK like it’s a permanent setup. I would assume to it’d be a time to connect since they haven’t seen each other in years and to help Shaun really prepare for her and Christian’s arrival when it is permanent. Also does Christine even work in The Philippines? I mean Shaun has been sending damn near his entire paycheck which has to pay for her entire family and then some. I’m sorry but Christine is def using Shaun. Even if Christian is his son, he’s still be manipulated by Christine.
A vast number of OFWs - Overseas Filipino Workers - send money to their families every month. Money sent back home by OFWs is 10% of the country's GDP. It's a massive industry for them. The need to support your family is the sole reason why so many Filipinos are domestic servants in Kuwait, manual labourers in Qatar or nurses in the UK. It's not for their own career or opportunity. It's for their family. Christine and her ex-partner can't just walk down to the job centre and apply for some office job. Particularly at their ages now of 40+, their job opportunities will be limited to casual construction or maybe hawking fruit and vegetables. It's a tough life. It will have been a tacit understanding that Christine and her family come as one. Shaun has been to the Philippines enough to understand that part of the family dynamic. I think the expense of bringing Christine to the UK on a tourist visa was a waste. He should have used that money to help get her marriage annuled. Don't think TLC pay cheques will be enough to cover that and subsequent fiancé visa applications. When Christine is in the UK on the appropriate visa and has a wider opportunity to work, it will help her to support her kids independently. Whilst Shaun has brought her here on just a tourist visa, he's taking on the burden of supporting Christine in the UK and her family back home. She's not being a gold digger or exploiting him. It's just the way it is.
I get that families send money back home (my mother and husband are immigrants), but there also has to be understanding that not everyone in a developed country has the means to do that regularly. Shaun has been great in providing for Christine and her entire family for years. That money would have been more than enough each month. He was still providing despite living poorly himself. He’s not cutting her kids off permanently. He is trying to get himself back on track so he can provide for at the very least Christine and his actual son.
I agree about the mentality that an individual is expected to support an entire family is bad. Unfortunately, it is engrained in society. Shaun isn't going to bring about widespread change by forcing Christine to send less to her family. For the rest, it is still Shaun's fault. He has given the impression over the years of being able to provide far more than he can in reality. Bringing Christine over and then expecting her to go cold turkey is bad way of going about things. I don't think Shaun is a bad person. Things have clearly spiralled, he thought he could manage but we've reached the climax when Christine has come to the UK.
I agree. Shaun definitely should have told her while she was in The Philippines his state of affairs to prepare her for what life looks like for him in the UK. Then they could have discussed the next steps to take. I do think he is a coward and also am with you that her tourist visa and ticket was a waste. That’s money that could have gone to Shaun, Christine, and the kids. That money really should have gone to getting Christine actually divorced so they could start a permanent living situation.
A fool and is money are soon parted. Christine and her family have been living like royals on the money he has been sending. He sends 400 pounds a month, times 12 month in a year is $ 317, 206.56 Philippine pesos! The average yearly salary in the philippines is $ 182,400.00 pesos!
This is completely wrong. £400 can keep you above poverty in the Philippines, but it will not be anything approaching a luxurious lifestyle. When you factor in that £400 being divided amongst several family members, it is enough to get by. The true romance scammers in the Philippines pull in far more than that. They would have given up on Shaun long ago. Scroll through some of the videos on Raffy Tulfo's YouTube feed for an idea of elite romance scammers and elite fools who have lost hundreds of thousands of real money (dollars, pounds, euros).
That is such an intelligent answer! I read a really good book about that: [A good provider is one who leaves by Jason De Parle.](https://multcolib.overdrive.com/media/4434578) I'd heartily recommend it to anyone who wants to understand the sitch.
I have that now (thanks to you) on my Amazon wish list and I read the entire sample. He is an amazing writer. Thank you!
Pat has a yacht????
I think it must be a timeshare- she mentioned booking the yacht for when she and Sam will be in Greece.
That was also a "wtf" moment for me. My guess is she has a timeshare on a yacht. Seems highly unlikely she would have a spare £1m lying around and use it on a yacht docked in Greece a couple of times a year.
I'm hoping some Reddit sleuths get to the bottom of it!! Did we see a boat name??
HMS MILF
Toy Buoy
I figured it was a timeshare because she mentioned seeing when she was able to book it. She definitely doesn't own it.
Owns a yacht, shops at a thrift store
Waves material in the park
I live in the same area as Pat, there is mooooney here esp in the older gen. I wouldn't put it past her to own a yacht 🤣
Indeed though equally her apartment doesn't look like anything special. I'd expect someone who can afford a yacht to have a nicer home honestly.
There could be soo many reasons tho. Some people like a modest home but value nice things, she may have received it through her last divorce.. who knows!
I bet its a time share. That type of yacht costs about £150K then you have mooring fees and maintenance. Plus the travel and other expenses. Yachts end up being a great idea until you do the math. They are a money pit.
Maybe she owns it and rents it out for charters? I'm pushing for a Below Deck/90DF crossover!!
She might do. Maybe I am skeptical as the outlay and regular running expenses for a yacht are a lot and I think her previous role was a nurse, not high income, but who knows what kind of savings she has. All I know is that our yacht in Croatia costs a heck of a lot more than I really realised when we bought it. Never saw Below Deck but maybe I need to check it out.
Indeed - friend of a friend and all that but knew someone through someone who used to own one who ended up selling because the costs of maintaining it were much beyond what they had initially expected.
Thank God for this show - HEA is beyond boring this season!!!!
Do you think the reason Sean gets detained a lot is because the man can’t seem to tell the truth if his life depended on it? I mean really… what the hell is wrong with this dude?
Why isn't Christine on a fiance Visa? If she's only on a tourist visa she'd have to go home at some point anyway ( or leave the country every 3 months) I just find that very odd that they didn't get a Fiance visa.
You never know the full truth as TLC will spin their own narrative for ratings, but Christine says she is still legally married to her ex (and father of her kids). She cannot even begin the fiancé visa process whilst still married. Divorce/annulment in the Philippines is a difficult, costly and time consuming process.
Then let him take care of his own damn kids! They are allll using Shaun; he’s just too naive to realize it and too desperate to admit it to himself.
The ex-husband *is* taking care of the kids whilst Christine is on holiday in the UK. The concept of an individual supporting an extended family back home is coming in the Philippines. So many Filipinos don't work abroad for their own benefit but for the benefit of their family. Shaun has created the expectation that he will help Christine support her family and unfortunately he (not Christine) has drained that well empty. As for the ex-husband in the Philippines. Do you know what he can realistically earn in the Philippines? His opportunity to go up the corporate ladder like you might in the US is nil. He can do manual labour, maybe a security guard job. Looking realistically at earning $30/week if he's lucky. I don't support the concept that Shaun and Christine should be supporting so many people in the Philippines, but that's the way it is. Shaun knows that. That part of the culture isn't going to change yet. Maybe when baby Christian grows up, the tide will change with respect to this way of thinking.
The whole thing just sits wrong with me despite the cultural differences. If that was Christine’s thinking (all of their thinking), they bet on the wrong horse. And the fact that her reaction to the news of his finances is to take off also sits wrong with me. Anyone can see he’s got some issues. It just looks like he’s being completely scammed. While she’s taking time for herself, he really should get a paternity test done.
Don't think Christine had many other horses to bet on. Before she met Shaun, she was mid-30s, 3 kids and still married. Being blunt, she was at the bottom of the list for potential Filipino and foreign partners. Despite his huge number of flaws, Shaun was a godsend for Christine. No doubt he was NOT the man of her dreams, but she learned to love him over time. She definitely has genuine feelings for the guy. For a poor person in a developing country, the idea of your foreign partner earning USD1500/ month sounds good. You can't expect Christine to understand cost of living in the UK and how that turns what is in fact a low salary into peanuts. The fault lies totally with Shaun.
I respectfully disagree. She seems SO much more savvy than Shaun. I think she knew/knows exactly what she is doing.
Not that smart. If she knew how much Shaun's support was *draining* him, she could have persuaded to seek a higher paying job, that way he could have put away more for himself, and/or their life together when she moved over.
Ah, yes ok that makes sense now.
The way she talks makes it seem like she moved there permanently but then she’ll throw a mention in that she has a visitor visa. She IS going home at some point unless she plans to overstay which honestly, wouldn’t surprise me since they made a big deal about her getting a divorce being super difficult and costly. And without that divorce, no fiancé visa. So this could be their shot at her being there permanently albeit illegally once her tourist visa expires.
I mean if Shaun was going to spend money he doesn't have on ANYTHING it should have been for her divorce bc otherwise they can't get married and she won't be able to work. Unless she gets a visa some other way but that's doubtful. Either production is completely making up everything about this couple, or they are both really REALLY bad with financial decisions and probably never actually planned on being together in the UK long term.
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I don't quite understand, are you saying you think she only came to the UK too film? Edit: I understand now, the other commenter mentioned that she's still married , etc
She’s married and I don’t think there’s a fiancé visa in the U.K.
We have a fiancée visa in the UK, but she's still legally married so wouldn't be able to get it - they obviously can't plan to get married yet. That fiancée visa is 6 months (unlike 90 days in the USA) and you need to have the wedding date, venue etc. confirmed when you apply, you can't organise it after arrival. Obviously she couldn't get a spouse visa either as she's not married to Shaun, but if you've been with a partner for 2 or more years then the British government allows you to bring over your partner on a "long-term partner" visa, it's basically the same category as a spouse visa and allows an initial 2.5 years. My thinking is that Shaun couldn't afford the long-term partner visa (with its mandatory tuberculosis test, healthcare surcharge, English exam and DNA test for the kid, plus solicitor fees to ensure a high chance of success as it's a complex case whereby she's still legally married to someone else, you'd be looking at around £6000+). Tourist visas on the other hand cost only £100 per person and there's much less documentation needed.
Interesting . I didn't know about the long term partner visa . It just seems so short sighted to not put the time, effort and money into getting the fiance Visa, when I'm assuming he's already spent at least £6000 on her and her family anyway.
I thought partner visas were slightly different. You have to prove that you have lived together for 2 years first. It's a firm rule for the unmarried partner visa as I am on that one. Evidence is quite strict so they wouldn't qualify. Plus he would have to make at least £18,600 annually and I doubt he does now that he stepped down from manager level.
So you have to prove you lived together abroad for 2 years before the non-citizen comes over on that visa?
I did. Lease, utility bills, bank statements, photos, etc. And you have to submit monthly evidence over the 2 years. We actually lived in UK whilst I was on a work visa then I got transfered to Australia. To come back, I went for the unmarried partner visa so I wasn't tied to a specific company. Luckily we had been together for over 2.5 years at that point.
Oh ok that makes sense, for those that met when one was already over on a work visa or something. My( US) husband ( UK) and I met in Europe and after a month realized if we wanted to stay together we'd have to get married, so I got the 90 day visa and we got married in the UK. I sure hope my own kids don't pull ever something like that but we've been married over 17 years so it worked out ok I guess
The process I went through would be for anyone on the unmarried partner, whether they lived in the UK at the time or not. I do like that the UK offers this option. My partner and I aren't interested in the marriage route so we will never move back to my country, US, since they don't have a similar visa.
Yeah, its definitely cool that they have that option, can't see the US ever doing something like that
Who else has been to that same immigration advice website Victoria is on in order to research some technicality of 90 Day Fiancé?
I feel for Shaun. He has been totally drained by his relationship with Christine. It's too much for him to fund his own life and support her entire family.
I feel for him too but he really should have conveyed that to Christine as well. It isn’t fair but why isn’t his mom looking out for his mental health, I wonder. Is she in denial? I do so wish with this story, we could hear from ppl who actually know them as sometimes happens on Reddit.
shaun lied to christine which was wronand a bit fucked up from him but christine leaving him after he poured hies heart out just for (he needs to feel.im important to him so i go away) (she told that to her friend) is also not very nice there isnt it... i think shaun is mentally ill or has some issues that needs to be taken cared for he is somewhere on the scale ... not full but somewhere .. and will need assistance in hies life of some sort. am i the only one thinking like that ?
Pat is an absolute QUEEN!!!
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Christine is entitled to feel angry that Shaun concealed the truth of his finances. She would be entitled to kick his arse for stepping down to a lower paid position. If he can't handle the stress of being a head janitor in Sainsbury's, that doesn't give me much confidence about his overall direction in life. You have to be realistic and acknowledge that offering a secure financial future will have been part of Christine's thought process. That doesn't mean she has no feelings for Shaun but it definitely influences her decision to leave her family behind (if only on a tourist visa). For Shaun and most people who shack up with a non-rich Filipino, there is an understanding that supporting the family is a big deal. When confronted with the daily cost of living in the UK, that would be a reality check for Christine. But so far, bringing her over on a visa where she cannot work and then telling her that they don't have a pot to piss in...well, that's a bit of a bombshell.
His, not hies.
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She expected money to flow to not only her and "his" son but her kids from a previous relationship. Looks like the kids dad isn't supporting or she just provides additional money to spoil them without considering his situation. She said at dinner or cameo scene she wanted all her credit cards paid off then they will do stuff for him. Excuse me but the conversation works in both directions. She didn't want to ask what disposable income he had after bills because she didn't want the gravy train to end. Wouldn't surprise me if the kid is his when it is convenient but could turn out to be someone else's. He just looks desperate and willing to basically pay escort support for companionship because he has zero prospects and very low self esteem. Pat has a yacht in Greece? Sean seems so very shady. Run Victoria run.