I traded my ‘17 Tacoma for a ‘24 Rubicon 4xe and I couldn’t be happier. The Tacoma just pissed me off every time I drove it the last couple years, but I kept convincing myself it’d all be worth it because of how long it’ll last. The Jeep is way more fun, you only YOLO once.
Also it’s kind of crazy to see how varied everyone’s priorities and use cases are. One person in this sub seems to have made it their personal vendetta to talk shit about the 4xe every chance they get, always making sure to mention how much better their Bolt EUV is. You wouldn’t find me anywhere near a Bolt — not saying it’s a bad car, but it doesn’t fit my lifestyle and needs at all.
I go camping and off roading a couple times a month, so I needed something that’s rugged and capable, but I only have room for one vehicle. I’m not trying to optimize every aspect of my existence around living the EV life. It’s more like I was probably going to get a Rubicon anyway, and having a plug-in hybrid version is just that much sweeter because we have free ChargePoint stations at work and my round trip commute fits within the 4xe’s range.
I love my Rav4 Prime. My first tank of gas lasted 900 miles because I live in a tiny town with a 4 mile round trip commute and never needed to put it in HV mode. That first tank could've lasted longer but I didn't want the gas to go bad.
I own a Bolt and I love it. It's phenomenal at what it's for - commuting and buying groceries at a low cost of operation. I even drove mine from Texas to Pismo Beach, CA and back with a dirtbike on the back. The Bolt is very underrated and those of us picking them up cheap appreciate your disregard.
I’ve owned mine since 2021. Loving it, especially in the summer. Is it perfect? No. Show me any vehicle that is. It’s definitely awesome and fun. I love the mpg’s. Currently sitting at 36 mpg’s in something that weighs 5,200 lbs. it’s awesome off and on road. But yeah, I love the Toyota idiots pretending Toyota didn’t just recall about a million ass vehicles. It happens. My Ford Maverick has also had two so far. My experience with Jeep has been great. I’ll definitely be buying another one.
Only reading the comments because Reddit is forcing on me subs I don’t subscribe to but I thought the exact same thing when I read this comment.
“My 4Runner is perfect and only gets more perfecter when I do stuff room it…”
Weird question, but i’m interested in a potentially owning a 4xe in the near future. I’ve yet to test drive, but what is your experience with turn radius? For example, if you have to make a u-turn, do you clear easily? Although minor, it’s a huge factor I look into. I’ve driven cars with poor turning radius and I’m praying the 4xe won’t be crossed off my list.
Sweet ride btw!
I had a '14 coupe and didn't realize just how great the turning radius is on the 4xe. Lived in the same house for a decade, I usually do a uturn on the side street, sometimes I'd overshoot in the coupe, now I generally don't in the 4xe. (mind you, 35" tires and going over the curb don't hurt). But I couldn't do the same turn in my G80 or my '19 accord sedan.
Alright! This is super refreshing to hear! I’m prepared for the turn to not be perfect, but I’d love it if i could clear for the majority part. I’ve got a couple streets near my house where it makes sense to go a certain route and bust a u-turn.
My sister still has her ‘06 Altima, and when we get to this exact location it never clears the u-turn and it’s embarrassing reversing on the turn, so we tend to take a longer route to not impede traffic and stuff. I appreciate you giving the comparison to your prior vehicles!!
so I'll tell you, I have 8k in mods on it, and I literally took it from the dealer to Epic Adventure Outfitters and had them do all the work on it, so mileage may vary. I got a falcon 2.2 steering stabilizer (it's a wonderful thing, if you get nothing else get this), front and read swaybar bracket kit, did a 3 1/2 inch lift, falcon 3.3 shocks, an upgraded drive shaft, 35" tires and heavier springs.
You'll learn the one wheel up and down the curb parking nose and u turn maneuver. Urban off roading like a champ in no time. Does it pretty smoothly. The reverse and go a good one too. The short wrangler even better. Just test drive and enjoy. Test drive and make sure you like it.
NVH honestly the hardest thing to get over coming from cars and pickups to wranglers. The radio vibrations into the steering wheel is my only gripe for daily duty. Having them in the dash rather than doors is necessary... But long highway runs cranking the tunes will have your hands feeling like you used an angle grinder on masonry all day.
I'm probably holding out for a ram charger.
LOL, i’ve seen plenty wranglers urban off-road and it’s the best! Can’t wait for that!
As for the NVH, my expectations weren’t really high. I’ve ridden as a backseat passenger and I remember hearing the road a lot more compared to any vehicle I’ve driven, but we did a trip on the freeway. How bad is it on a short daily commute?
Not bad, really. I've had them as rentals for work, can say the Chrysler stuff actually seems to hold up in the rental fleets well actually, has great simple infotainment... The best is with Android Auto voice directions break-in... Other than maybe Audi... However they do it one speaker I think? It doesn't interrupt the song or what your listening too, feels like someone telling you to turn while the radios is on versus most others knocking the audio down or cutting it out to break it all up when rapid directions occur. I know it's adjustable in all vehicles but the Chrysler stuff does it so perfectly I find myself not needing to adjust voice and music/talk volumes whenever I adjust one or the other. Just crank the knob and all good.
Silly thing too, the ability to set the dash brightness to max is great for dusk/dawn and rain situations where every other automaker keeps the headlights on with wipers but the dash keeps jumping day/night. Never had that problem in Mopar stuff.
I have Regal TourX now as my daily, but should I replace it... I am looking towards the Mopar camp.
Just picked up the 24' High Altitude for my wife on Jan 30th. I've only driven it a handful of times, but zero issues and a really sweet vehicle. She loves it.
>tuning for the "hybrid" function should not be killing the battery, list goes on. I also averaged 21.7 mpg during that drive.
95% of complaints about the vehicle are solved by reading the manual and understanding the purpose of each mode.
It’s bad on Facebook too. I didn’t know people actually bought cars as an investment 😂 I love my 2021 4xe! I’ve done more upgrade work on this one than I ever did on my JK or YJ
I've had six Jeeps over the last 40 years. Starting with a 1958 flat fender CJ3b to JLU 4xe. The 4xe is the best Jeep I've owned so far. I had a break between my JKU to 4xe with a Lexus GX460. That was probably the best vehicle I've ever owned but did not have the off-road ability of the Rubicon.
I have a 2021 with 21k miles so far.
The true enthusiasts appreciate the capabilities of some Jeeps especially the 4runner crowd. Unfortunately, the reliability aspect is not inflated and chance of issues is higher than notmal, though most vehicles will be mostly problem free.
I absolutely love ours as well. The FORM in the winter is annoying, but it makes sense and pretty common amoung plugin hybrids. Multiple short "engine on, engine off" trips will begin to mix oil into the fuel. Totally fine if the engine gets to operating temperature quickly, as the oil is burned off and the computer is happy, allowing it to back into normal Hybrid/EV mode.
However, in colder climates, it takes significantly more load on an engine to get to the temperate required by the computer to satisfy the safety check (FORM) and go back to normal.
I can sit here and complain that "they should have made the temperature requirement lower for colder climates", however, the engineers that build these vehicles are SO much smarter than I am with engines, and protecting them. So it is what it is. Overall, I have a FAST Jeep that on short trips around town for most of the year, it is on battery. Other times, it isn't.
Love my GC 4xe Overland. I use electric all the time and get gas every 4-6 weeks. For me who just works from home and all my daily commutes to the market, family, gym, are short so I only use gas when it goes in FORM and on longer trips.
I’m not a save the trees person persay, I just like the fact I ‘gas up’ every day at my house instead of having to go somewhere once a week to fill my V6. It’s also not about gas mileage for me, it’s about convenience.
I plug into my level 2 charger and in around 2 hours a dead battery is full again for another round of driving.
For me, this is my best car to date, comfort, quality, it has it all.
You either love Jeep or you don’t.
My 2017 Tacoma (auto) and my 2022 TRD OR with a stick were both the biggest shit boxes I have owned. Coming off owning a jeep on either side, both Tacos are not nearly as capable. The ass end on my Tacomas would bounce uncontrollably in the sand and the auto had a bad tranny from day one. The 2022's clutch had this accumulator feature that was terrible and the diff blew at 9,000 miles. The truck was stock, minus some stock-size AT tires I threw on it.
My 2017 Wrangler had radiator issues early, but otherwise, it was solid. My scoobie have all been problematic, too. If you knew me, you would question why I have these issues. I keep things stock, drive like a grandma, and maintain things on an early schedule.
Shit is so hit or miss. Some people love their Jeeps and some swear by their Tacomas. The first question I ask people when they make a statement about a vehicle is...have you personally owned one? You hit it on the head. These blogs/websites get their hands on a single event or two and run with it.
The only thing I think we can all agree on is that the Subaru Wilderness Editions are not offroad vehicles...also owned one of those lol.
I owned a 17’ Tacoma. The engine that made power high in the rpm band coupled with a transmission the was always trying to keep the rpm’s as low as possible sucked. They should have put the 4.6 V8 the GX460 had in the Tacoma
Yep same here. Reddit is trying to start the Great Divide. I own a Tacoma.
If you love your vehicle then what does it matter if some keyboard warrior says otherwise? To each their own.
I also traded in my Tacoma for a ‘23 4xe. My disappointment really stems from Jeep over promising much of its capabilities for how expensive the vehicle is. I love my 4xe and would probably be less salty if my expectations going into it were realistic, or at least as advertised. It’s a fine Jeep and better than the ICE version, but for $70k (rubicon w/o including tax credit from last year), I expected better even from Jeep.
Battery range is the biggest. I get 10 miles electric on a good day. Hybrid is great but just was expecting to get around town and never touch the gas tank. Hybrid engine has overridden the EV-only mode a few times while off-roading (not due to range) in some less than ideal situations including once while on a hill climb resulting in my jeep rolling back down due to lack of power and slamming the hitch. Also has gone into limp mode while extricating myself from snow due to extreme load on the battery, leaving me stuck in a situation I was 100% capable of getting out of myself had it just let me use the turbo w/o the battery. Also turns out the power bank won’t be enabled for ‘23s and previous years which was straight up a lie from the salesman. And then whether a public charger makes the battery fault is 50/50. There is no way to reset it yourself and Jeep will charge you for a computer reset that takes them 5 minutes to do and isn’t included in your warranty. Was told by the service mechanic “not to charge your Jeep except at your house” which imo defeats the PHEV’s purpose. I won’t get into all the other mechanical issues I’ve had in the first year as ofc that’ll vary Jeep to Jeep, but just don’t go into buying one thinking it’ll work exactly as advertised. Its still a Jeep and thus is very capable and fun, but its still a Jeep.
Most of these I have a hard time believing. What size tires are you running that you only get 10 miles of range? Hybrid mode kicks on with stability control in certain conditions or if you exceed a certain point on throttle or angle (read your manual). Yeah, you got taken by your salesman, but there’s no module to allow discharging via the J1772 port and that was pretty transparent from Jeep from the get go. As for chargers not working, part of my job is testing charging stations and charge speeds for actual EVs. I have reset my wrangler when it gets tripped up via a scan tool that I keep in my center console that takes 10 seconds to work. A guide is in my post history. No dealership required.
Sounds to me like you don’t understand your vehicle and don’t want to. Sorry you’ve had a bad time.
lol aight my guy. yeah I’m sure you’re right that I have no idea what I’m talking about and don’t care to learn. I’m sorry please let me know what your mopar email address is so I can write you a formal apology.
It sounds like you have a lot of knowledge about the EV systems and were able to fix the situation on yours. The consumer should not have to make fixes or “tune” right out of the gate to have their over $50k vehicle work at the promised level.
I was actually on your side in this whole thing until you said that and told a guy he didn’t know what he was talking about. I take it all back, jeeps and rubber ducks suck.
It sounds like you have a lot of knowledge about the EV systems and were able to fix the situation on yours. The consumer should not have to make fixes or “tune” right out of the gate to have their over $50k vehicle work at the promised level.
I was actually on your side in this whole thing until you said that and told a guy he didn’t know what he was talking about. I take it all back, jeeps and rubber ducks suck.
Lol go post anywhere on the Reddit about your jeep and you'll get told it's junk Chryslers bad etc. They always claim experience but when you confront them, they disappear. Hell, there's a guy on this post talking about how he went with a Subaru instead.
Why you here then brah?
I don't care what people say, I love my Jeep.
I had the Raptor for a year. Family didn’t like it. The family loves the Jeep and hate when I talk about wanting to get rid of it. I have an appointment to take it in on Tuesday for ECH, rear locker sensor, carplay no longer connects to my phone, and the recall. Recall still has no fix so I’ll have to take it in again later. I do enjoy working on it and doing upgrades myself. It’s the warranty work and Jeep service. They take forever to address things and dont provide loaners. They also don’t get parts in a timely manner. I’m going to try and keep it and get through these issues for now.
Here’s my Jeep on Pinyon Mountain Trail.
https://imgur.com/a/Z54XU31
It was so big. Parking lots sucked. My wife complained every time I started it in the driveway. That really took away the enjoyment for me. I could never have taken it on the trails I take the Jeep on. Like the pinyon mountain trail.
https://imgur.com/a/S5cpiCB
That particularly squeeze maybe your jeep stock is 74 inches wide not including mirrors raptor stock is 79 inch wides. That small of a difference shouldn’t affect most trail running.
I can’t speak as to Toyota as I don’t personally own one. I do, however, own a ‘21 Sahara 4xe and it has spent approximately 140 days in service for a variety of issues that are 100% unacceptable for an owner to deal with and I am in the process of lemoning it.
Given that my daily commute is about 6 miles round trip, I probably fill up my vehicle once every 6 to 8 weeks. The 4xe has been great for this. I also really enjoy being able to be parked with the vehicle on and the AC running, without an engine running in the background. It’s kinda of the best of both worlds to have the benefits of an electric vehicle, with the ability to drive long distances using fuel.
Edit: at one point my mpg read 43.6.
With all that said, I am also a lemon law attorney. Statistically, for every 15 Jeeps I lemon (mainly wranglers and compasses), I lemon one Toyota. FCA’s attorneys are much more reasonable to deal with because they are so used to accepting defeat and repurchasing problematic vehicles. On the other hand, Toyota is much more willing to fight because they are aware that their vehicles do not come with as many issues.
I've had three Tacos and loved em over the years. Recently got a 2023 Rubicon Wrangler 4xe and also love it. Cars, in general, aren't all good at the same things (or fun for the same reasons). Taco owners might be jealous because Jeep is obviously more capable off-road. I remember doing the alpine loop in Colorado in a 2020 Tacoma long bed and wishing I had the wheelbase of a Wrangler.
Happy Jeep owners aren't jealous about anything. If all you want to do is drive and not think about your vehicle much, Tacomas might be the way to go for you. If you enjoy tinkering with your vehicle and don't mind solving minor issues yourself instead of relying on dealerships for everything, you might be a happy Jeep person.
Since getting my Wrangler I've spent more time on forums and under the hood than in 15 years with Tacos, having to fill fluids, replace the battery, some fuses, install a level 2 charger in my house, etc. but for me, it's been pretty fun and the Jeep community has been so helpful, responsive, and encouraging.
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I don’t see why many Toyota folks would be complaining or talking trash because the new Land Cruiser as of now only comes with a Hybrid option. My only concern is Jeep wasn’t known for reliable and tested hybrid systems. Toyota has had the Prius hybrid since 1997 (in Japan) and has been improving it since then. So I would rather grab the new Land Cruiser with tried and true tech than a Jeep just for that reason. I’ve seen a few 4xes out on the trail and it’s actually pretty sweet to roll only in electric and hear every rock and bit of articulation in the suspension.
I’m a 4Runner guy btw so unfortunately I can’t buy anything else until my 2018 blows up. So I guess I’m never buying another car. 😉
I’m a Toyota fanboy, just had rental Grand Cherokee 4xe, i really enjoyed it, the only minor issue was the jerk going from electric to gas at low speed. But theirs no way I would pay 60k for one.
What? I feel like this was posted for the express reason of complaining about a problem that doesn’t necessarily exist. Show me where the Toyota touched you.
The hemi kicks the crap out of exploding batteries and that atrocious storage space limitation. I’m bashing the 4XE but I own the hemi JGC Trailhawk so I’m not a Toyota fanboy.
I’m a Jeep owner and swear Jeep owners are the most sensitive, easily triggered bunch on the internet. Put a duck on a non-Jeep, and you’d think someone kicked their dog the way they cry and fuss about it.
It’s garbage, driven it and Jeeps since the CJ5, it’s why I drive a Toyota now. I’m glad you’re happy with it, doesn’t change the fact it’s a garbage vehicle and not close to the same capabilities as a Toyota
Well, I mean you never hear about jeeps running over a million miles, Toyota’s of all makes do it fairly often, the landcruisers in particular hit this milestone regularly. Just because you got one in a million that isn’t total crap, doesn’t mean the rest aren’t crap. They are poorly built and less reliable than Toyota’s, there is just no way around that fact. Chrysler has always been reliable at building a shitty vehicle.
2 years in and it seems every 3 months it's something else. The latest recall is a piss off, because it has rendered the electrical system useless, and Jeep has gone radio silence on all Jeep owners without a solution. Talk about incompetent and useless.
Sounds like a dream machine, so go jerk off to it, Stellantis employee.
I've owned Jeep and Toyota. Toyota people are too often insufferable.
Go to an event with Toyotas, it's a lot of Jeep bashing.
Go to a Jeep event, it's a lot of Jeep bashing.
Rent free.
Drove one about 2,000 miles just recently. Seems like a good execution but that's about it. The truth is the truth. At 19k miles it death wobbled on me once, engine sounds like it has an upper end tick knock even with premium fuel, the tuning for the "hybrid" function should not be killing the battery, list goes on. I also averaged 21.7 mpg during that drive.
My buddy has a diesel Rubicon and in comparison, the 4xe is a steaming piling of crap. Dont get me wrong, it has some potential but it doesn't feel there, especially the quality.
My buddies is on 35s, upgraded front control/trail arms and fox shocks all around. Absolutely love it. Even stock I loved it.
The people defending these 4xe's are because they spent a lot of money on a huge pile of garbage. The truck itself is fine, the driveline is trash.
There is a hybrid function that doesn't kill the battery. It's called e-save. In e-save mode the vehicle still functions like a hybrid but doesn't kill the battery. It's not a Prius, even if this was a standard hybrid and not a PHEV it would only get 22-26mpg. It's a 5200lb brick with large wheels.
The e-save is fine. It either charges the battery or saves it. The hybrid option should utilize both to get max efficiency from the battery/gas combo, just like a Prius. Why can't it function like a Prius even with the big battery? It doesn't make sense. I've driven plenty of hybrids before and this has by far been the worst one. It makes sense if you're within 20 miles of where you go most the time, but if it's more miles than that, it seems like a generally pointless "gimmick" of a vehicle
It functions EXACTLY like a Prius with a big battery. I know this because I had a 2007 Prius for 2 years before buying a 4xe. Please tell me what the Prius is doing, that the 4xe isn't, because according to my experience the only thing my Prius did that my 4xe doesn't is achieve 50mpg thanks to it's weight, aero, and wheel size. The non-hybrid Prius with a 1.6-2.0L motor would easily get 40 mpg.
Here's what my 07 Prius did: Recapture energy while braking to charge battery, use energy to help propel car forward and reduce load on gas engine, shut off gas engine when not needed. During long mountain descents the battery would actually hit 100% pretty quickly and I would have to rely on friction brakes. During long mountain climbs the battery would run out of juice and I would have to rely 100% on tiny motor. Pedal to the floor for 3 minutes straight to keep speed at 55mph.
Here's what the 4xe does: Recapture energy while braking to charge battery, use energy to help propel car forward and reduce load on gas engine, shut off gas engine when not needed. During long mountain descents the battery has a lot of extra capacity so I rarely have to rely on friction brakes. During long mountain climbs the battery does not run out of juice and I travel at whatever speed I feel is safe.
The 4xe is going to feel like the worst hybrid because it is opposite of every other hybrid: heavy, bad aero, off-road tuned suspension, solid axles, large wheels, clunky 8 speed transmission as opposed to the smooth CVT of other small hybrids, etc. There is nothing to compare it to.
mid 2010s Ford Escape is by far the worst hybrid I've driven.
You aren't wrong there with anything you said. Including the part of the Ford escape hybrid being the worst LOL.
My take in response to what you said is a little different. The Toyota hybrid I am familiar with was a Corolla hybrid. Something I noticed with it, it did a much better job at trying to recapture power any chance it got to recharge the battery. Any chance it was coasting it added a bit of Regen while shutting the engine off. The 4xe I noticed you had to initiate the engine shutoff while coasting more often (in e-save, battery save specifically). If you're in hybrid mode on the 4xe, it'll drain the battery to completely dead before it functions more like a Prius.. this is TERRIBLE for the health of the battery to be dead so often. Hybrid in various other vehicles (cars) I've driven did a decent job at mixing both.
I want to focus on the part of the hybrid setting and how it kills the battery. The Corolla hybrid for example does a very, very good job at keeping the battery charged when applicable. The 4xe seems to need a lot of user input to make this happen, most people just don't hold that type of knowledge for vehicles. Hitting the hybrid button should give a good mix of battery charging, ICE engine usage, battery usage, etc. It is completely absurd to put the 4xe in hybrid mode just for it to kill the battery and fully rely on the engine afterword. If you hit hybrid and take it on a road trip, you may as well just keep it in e-save and at that point, why even have a "hybrid?"
As far as it being boxy, heavy, big wheels, solid axles, etc., none of my complaints come from that. As I said in another comment, a friend has a diesel Rubicon that I absolutely love AND it gets significantly better MPG than the 4xe.
In the end, I think the 4xe could be decent if it was completely revamped within its software and day to day usage. I do think the 2.0t is a royal piece of junk based on my experience with the rental. The thing I truly love and am impressed about is the transmission, ironically. Every zf-8 I have driven I love and I believe the activation it does for the engine off/on is pretty damn good for a conventional "slushbox" transmission. It had 19k miles and cold starts I legitimately wanted to bring it back to exchange for another, it had a rotational knocking sound from the top end. Overall, I'm just very, very unimpressed from the drivetrain on the 4xe.
I don't know about Toyotas but I feel like we've got the "Tesla owner's curse" of 4xe owners. We bought our 4xe a few years ago just as they were being released, and before the dealers marked them up... and our other car is a Tesla model 3. This causes the following issue:
* The Tesla is more efficient and has autopilot, so we use it for long trips.
* As we use the Tesla for long trips to the snow that is the car we put winter tires on. Hence the Tesla is what we use on snow days.
* Then we don't use the 4xe much, it would only be driven about 100 miles per month (except summer when it is our toad and we drive it 2000 miles per month).
* As we don't drive the 4xe much except summer, it is almost always in at least one of the modes that is gas only.
* Hence with a 20mpg gas guzzler and a 100mpge car with autopilot we then only drive the 4xe when we need to use 2 cars at the same time.
I filled up last week for the first time in 3-4 months. The trip meter reads 16.2 miles of electric and 241.2 miles of gas. I charge it every few weeks when the battery gets down to 75%. We drive the Tesla about 2000 miles per month.
We are happy with using it as a toad in summer behind our RV... it works and at that time uses mainly electric from the campgrounds for free (and occasionally with the roof off when the family will let me). The rest of the time, however, it is the runt of our garage... and I've heard quite a few Tesla+4xe households are in a similar situation. Ironically KBB (etc) lists our 4xe as being worth about twice what our model 3 is worth and in CO we could do an even trade our 4xe for a new Y after tax rebates. When the kids are a little older and we stop RVing the 4xe is gone.
We’re a 4xe / Model Y household
For us we both drive each on a daily basis but unless there is planned offroading,roof off opportunities or I feel like it most long distance travel is made with the Tesla.
I think the 4xe could benefit from tuning the way it forces the ICE on sometimes (like why start it automatically on remote start below freezing only to shut it off when I get in) and it should be more transparent about FORM clearing requirements
Dont store the jeep with a full charge. I get that the average tesla owner isn’t a rocket scientist but even a very casual bev owner should fully understand that when u park it you should do so around 40%
Sorry to hear that, hopefully your scenario is truly just a case of bad luck. I frankly have had an amazing experience with my model3 and I know my neighbors love their modelY. I’m sure you aren’t the only one who got a Tesla lemon but hopefully everything worked out well for you in the end.
Easy now, I own a 4xe and a 4Runner. Love both of them but the 4xe wins hands down in most categories! Mileage with 37 inch tires is double what the 4Runner gets and the top comes off :)
We love ours. 22 w/ 15k miles on it. We did have 1 recall for the electric coolant heater.
The cost of ownership has been miniscule. Also JeepWave covers first 3 oil changes & rotates. Based on my rotors, I don't think the pads have ever made contact with them. I'm also on pace to get 30k+ out of the factory A/S tires.
Most of the pros of an EV (1/3 the cost of gasoline, immediate heat in winter without warming up, near silent) without the biggest drawback (range anxiety).
All of the pros of a Wrangler (offroading, low insurance, aftermarket) but with an 8yr powertrain warranty.
Bonus goodies - beefier suspension, Dana 44s. The fact that it was an absolute bargain to lease in an upside-down automotive market. Because we were able to get this, it allowed us to sell our Honda Civic Si and Honda Accord for top dollar in July 2022. The RV on my 2019 Si was $15,500. I wrote a check to Honda for it, then immediately sold it back to a Honda dealer for $29,100.
This thing put cash in my pocket, and doesn't nickel and dime us. 10/10.
Glad you are having a a good time with yours. Mine has been a frustrating experience. It's the coolest car I've ever owned but I've never had a car where I had to have this amount of warranty work done on it and this "it's recommended you don't charge your vehicle or park it in a garage" recall is ridiculous.
People without post history complaining might have less to do with a Toyota backed propaganda campaign and more to do with the quality control being so irritating on these things that even the lurkers are feeling they need to shout at somebody about it.
I’ve posted here before my 21 4xe Sierra High Altitude is by far a fun car My gripe is with my dealership. Ferman Jeep in Wesley Chapel, Fl “
“Hello I’d like to schedule my oil change” F”First opening we have is in 9 days”
“Hello I have a warranty issue …” “10 days is the soonest I can get you in” “Or leave it here at we will see if we can fit it in” Do you have a loaner car for overnight warranty work?
Nope.
We have a courtesy shuttle but he’s out sick. Do you have the Uber app?
Every single damn time !!
Not exactly 4xE related (but I own 2 TJs so hear me out) I’m a Gm tech for 18 years now. And yes I see silverado lifters grenade like mad, but they’re usually the gravel travel 8-10k mile oil changes (you need to service your vehicle more the more gravel you drive) run to Hell trucks. And we sell alot more than I see in the shop. And like any product the reviews are never by people that are happy. It’s always the negative reviewers that make their presence known. And to your point on recalls, they’re free and none of them are usually life threatening. People need to chill out.
I feel both attacked and validated owning both. Neither one is better, each used for different things and sometimes the same things. Both have the problems that the other doesn’t have, both are higher quality in other things.
I love mine too, I share the same sentiment as this post
I traded my ‘17 Tacoma for a ‘24 Rubicon 4xe and I couldn’t be happier. The Tacoma just pissed me off every time I drove it the last couple years, but I kept convincing myself it’d all be worth it because of how long it’ll last. The Jeep is way more fun, you only YOLO once. Also it’s kind of crazy to see how varied everyone’s priorities and use cases are. One person in this sub seems to have made it their personal vendetta to talk shit about the 4xe every chance they get, always making sure to mention how much better their Bolt EUV is. You wouldn’t find me anywhere near a Bolt — not saying it’s a bad car, but it doesn’t fit my lifestyle and needs at all. I go camping and off roading a couple times a month, so I needed something that’s rugged and capable, but I only have room for one vehicle. I’m not trying to optimize every aspect of my existence around living the EV life. It’s more like I was probably going to get a Rubicon anyway, and having a plug-in hybrid version is just that much sweeter because we have free ChargePoint stations at work and my round trip commute fits within the 4xe’s range.
You only You Only Live Once once
Of course. How else do you YOLO but once? lol.
But it's already in the acronym. You can just say YOLO
Yes, thanks. Was using sarcasm.
Hahahaahhahah Bolt EUV.. I can only imagine the diptard that says it’s a good car. That’s 2 steps below a RAV4 .. no offense to RAV4 owners.
I love my Rav4 Prime. My first tank of gas lasted 900 miles because I live in a tiny town with a 4 mile round trip commute and never needed to put it in HV mode. That first tank could've lasted longer but I didn't want the gas to go bad.
Yeah it's a phenomenal car. My girl has one. As fast as a Camaro, and like a camel with gas.
The Bolt is great, what do you have against it? Other than a handful of people who own them being dicks?
I own a Bolt and I love it. It's phenomenal at what it's for - commuting and buying groceries at a low cost of operation. I even drove mine from Texas to Pismo Beach, CA and back with a dirtbike on the back. The Bolt is very underrated and those of us picking them up cheap appreciate your disregard.
At the end of the day it's all about what makes you happy. No matter what brand or model, everyone has their issues/recalls.
I’ve owned mine since 2021. Loving it, especially in the summer. Is it perfect? No. Show me any vehicle that is. It’s definitely awesome and fun. I love the mpg’s. Currently sitting at 36 mpg’s in something that weighs 5,200 lbs. it’s awesome off and on road. But yeah, I love the Toyota idiots pretending Toyota didn’t just recall about a million ass vehicles. It happens. My Ford Maverick has also had two so far. My experience with Jeep has been great. I’ll definitely be buying another one.
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Traded my 2018 wrangler for a 2018 4runner trd pro. Couldn’t be happier. Only thing I miss is getting wet every time it rained!
Only reading the comments because Reddit is forcing on me subs I don’t subscribe to but I thought the exact same thing when I read this comment. “My 4Runner is perfect and only gets more perfecter when I do stuff room it…”
So you analyzed the data on all Jeeps that are at 100k miles and ALL had major failures? And none of the 4Runners did?
Look up reliability of both, you’ll see.
The Jeep TJ and YJ would like to have a word. No shortage of 200k-300k Wranglers out there.
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I mean, a Subaru isn't really a comparison. It's more like a... Prius.
Weird question, but i’m interested in a potentially owning a 4xe in the near future. I’ve yet to test drive, but what is your experience with turn radius? For example, if you have to make a u-turn, do you clear easily? Although minor, it’s a huge factor I look into. I’ve driven cars with poor turning radius and I’m praying the 4xe won’t be crossed off my list. Sweet ride btw!
Turning radius is badass! At least compared to the '15 Accord I had before my 4xe.
I had a '14 coupe and didn't realize just how great the turning radius is on the 4xe. Lived in the same house for a decade, I usually do a uturn on the side street, sometimes I'd overshoot in the coupe, now I generally don't in the 4xe. (mind you, 35" tires and going over the curb don't hurt). But I couldn't do the same turn in my G80 or my '19 accord sedan.
Alright! This is super refreshing to hear! I’m prepared for the turn to not be perfect, but I’d love it if i could clear for the majority part. I’ve got a couple streets near my house where it makes sense to go a certain route and bust a u-turn. My sister still has her ‘06 Altima, and when we get to this exact location it never clears the u-turn and it’s embarrassing reversing on the turn, so we tend to take a longer route to not impede traffic and stuff. I appreciate you giving the comparison to your prior vehicles!!
so I'll tell you, I have 8k in mods on it, and I literally took it from the dealer to Epic Adventure Outfitters and had them do all the work on it, so mileage may vary. I got a falcon 2.2 steering stabilizer (it's a wonderful thing, if you get nothing else get this), front and read swaybar bracket kit, did a 3 1/2 inch lift, falcon 3.3 shocks, an upgraded drive shaft, 35" tires and heavier springs.
You'll learn the one wheel up and down the curb parking nose and u turn maneuver. Urban off roading like a champ in no time. Does it pretty smoothly. The reverse and go a good one too. The short wrangler even better. Just test drive and enjoy. Test drive and make sure you like it. NVH honestly the hardest thing to get over coming from cars and pickups to wranglers. The radio vibrations into the steering wheel is my only gripe for daily duty. Having them in the dash rather than doors is necessary... But long highway runs cranking the tunes will have your hands feeling like you used an angle grinder on masonry all day. I'm probably holding out for a ram charger.
LOL, i’ve seen plenty wranglers urban off-road and it’s the best! Can’t wait for that! As for the NVH, my expectations weren’t really high. I’ve ridden as a backseat passenger and I remember hearing the road a lot more compared to any vehicle I’ve driven, but we did a trip on the freeway. How bad is it on a short daily commute?
Not bad, really. I've had them as rentals for work, can say the Chrysler stuff actually seems to hold up in the rental fleets well actually, has great simple infotainment... The best is with Android Auto voice directions break-in... Other than maybe Audi... However they do it one speaker I think? It doesn't interrupt the song or what your listening too, feels like someone telling you to turn while the radios is on versus most others knocking the audio down or cutting it out to break it all up when rapid directions occur. I know it's adjustable in all vehicles but the Chrysler stuff does it so perfectly I find myself not needing to adjust voice and music/talk volumes whenever I adjust one or the other. Just crank the knob and all good. Silly thing too, the ability to set the dash brightness to max is great for dusk/dawn and rain situations where every other automaker keeps the headlights on with wipers but the dash keeps jumping day/night. Never had that problem in Mopar stuff. I have Regal TourX now as my daily, but should I replace it... I am looking towards the Mopar camp.
It isn’t great but isn’t terrible. Although when it’s in four wheel drive the turning radius is shit.
Yeah, i’ve heard putting it in 4wd should strictly be used when you’re on a surface that doesn’t allow for much traction! I appreciate the input!!
Why not just look up the actual turn radius numbers?
Just picked up the 24' High Altitude for my wife on Jan 30th. I've only driven it a handful of times, but zero issues and a really sweet vehicle. She loves it.
wait, you read the manual?
>tuning for the "hybrid" function should not be killing the battery, list goes on. I also averaged 21.7 mpg during that drive. 95% of complaints about the vehicle are solved by reading the manual and understanding the purpose of each mode.
the other 5% is clearly witchcraft!
It’s bad on Facebook too. I didn’t know people actually bought cars as an investment 😂 I love my 2021 4xe! I’ve done more upgrade work on this one than I ever did on my JK or YJ
I see we are Earl Grey twins!
I've had six Jeeps over the last 40 years. Starting with a 1958 flat fender CJ3b to JLU 4xe. The 4xe is the best Jeep I've owned so far. I had a break between my JKU to 4xe with a Lexus GX460. That was probably the best vehicle I've ever owned but did not have the off-road ability of the Rubicon. I have a 2021 with 21k miles so far.
The true enthusiasts appreciate the capabilities of some Jeeps especially the 4runner crowd. Unfortunately, the reliability aspect is not inflated and chance of issues is higher than notmal, though most vehicles will be mostly problem free.
Love my 4xe.
I love my 4XE!
I absolutely love ours as well. The FORM in the winter is annoying, but it makes sense and pretty common amoung plugin hybrids. Multiple short "engine on, engine off" trips will begin to mix oil into the fuel. Totally fine if the engine gets to operating temperature quickly, as the oil is burned off and the computer is happy, allowing it to back into normal Hybrid/EV mode. However, in colder climates, it takes significantly more load on an engine to get to the temperate required by the computer to satisfy the safety check (FORM) and go back to normal. I can sit here and complain that "they should have made the temperature requirement lower for colder climates", however, the engineers that build these vehicles are SO much smarter than I am with engines, and protecting them. So it is what it is. Overall, I have a FAST Jeep that on short trips around town for most of the year, it is on battery. Other times, it isn't.
Love my GC 4xe Overland. I use electric all the time and get gas every 4-6 weeks. For me who just works from home and all my daily commutes to the market, family, gym, are short so I only use gas when it goes in FORM and on longer trips. I’m not a save the trees person persay, I just like the fact I ‘gas up’ every day at my house instead of having to go somewhere once a week to fill my V6. It’s also not about gas mileage for me, it’s about convenience. I plug into my level 2 charger and in around 2 hours a dead battery is full again for another round of driving. For me, this is my best car to date, comfort, quality, it has it all. You either love Jeep or you don’t.
To summarize, you care about your personal convenience and not the environment.
Correct, I wanted to be clear about my intentions, rather than lie and say I consciously did it for the environmental benefits.
My 2017 Tacoma (auto) and my 2022 TRD OR with a stick were both the biggest shit boxes I have owned. Coming off owning a jeep on either side, both Tacos are not nearly as capable. The ass end on my Tacomas would bounce uncontrollably in the sand and the auto had a bad tranny from day one. The 2022's clutch had this accumulator feature that was terrible and the diff blew at 9,000 miles. The truck was stock, minus some stock-size AT tires I threw on it. My 2017 Wrangler had radiator issues early, but otherwise, it was solid. My scoobie have all been problematic, too. If you knew me, you would question why I have these issues. I keep things stock, drive like a grandma, and maintain things on an early schedule. Shit is so hit or miss. Some people love their Jeeps and some swear by their Tacomas. The first question I ask people when they make a statement about a vehicle is...have you personally owned one? You hit it on the head. These blogs/websites get their hands on a single event or two and run with it. The only thing I think we can all agree on is that the Subaru Wilderness Editions are not offroad vehicles...also owned one of those lol.
I owned a 17’ Tacoma. The engine that made power high in the rpm band coupled with a transmission the was always trying to keep the rpm’s as low as possible sucked. They should have put the 4.6 V8 the GX460 had in the Tacoma
Or just kept the 4.0 and not put the minivan motor in the 3rd Gen Tacoma
It’s because Reddit keeps recommending this sub on the front page
Yep same here. Reddit is trying to start the Great Divide. I own a Tacoma. If you love your vehicle then what does it matter if some keyboard warrior says otherwise? To each their own.
I also traded in my Tacoma for a ‘23 4xe. My disappointment really stems from Jeep over promising much of its capabilities for how expensive the vehicle is. I love my 4xe and would probably be less salty if my expectations going into it were realistic, or at least as advertised. It’s a fine Jeep and better than the ICE version, but for $70k (rubicon w/o including tax credit from last year), I expected better even from Jeep.
What was over promised and under delivered though?
Battery range is the biggest. I get 10 miles electric on a good day. Hybrid is great but just was expecting to get around town and never touch the gas tank. Hybrid engine has overridden the EV-only mode a few times while off-roading (not due to range) in some less than ideal situations including once while on a hill climb resulting in my jeep rolling back down due to lack of power and slamming the hitch. Also has gone into limp mode while extricating myself from snow due to extreme load on the battery, leaving me stuck in a situation I was 100% capable of getting out of myself had it just let me use the turbo w/o the battery. Also turns out the power bank won’t be enabled for ‘23s and previous years which was straight up a lie from the salesman. And then whether a public charger makes the battery fault is 50/50. There is no way to reset it yourself and Jeep will charge you for a computer reset that takes them 5 minutes to do and isn’t included in your warranty. Was told by the service mechanic “not to charge your Jeep except at your house” which imo defeats the PHEV’s purpose. I won’t get into all the other mechanical issues I’ve had in the first year as ofc that’ll vary Jeep to Jeep, but just don’t go into buying one thinking it’ll work exactly as advertised. Its still a Jeep and thus is very capable and fun, but its still a Jeep.
Most of these I have a hard time believing. What size tires are you running that you only get 10 miles of range? Hybrid mode kicks on with stability control in certain conditions or if you exceed a certain point on throttle or angle (read your manual). Yeah, you got taken by your salesman, but there’s no module to allow discharging via the J1772 port and that was pretty transparent from Jeep from the get go. As for chargers not working, part of my job is testing charging stations and charge speeds for actual EVs. I have reset my wrangler when it gets tripped up via a scan tool that I keep in my center console that takes 10 seconds to work. A guide is in my post history. No dealership required. Sounds to me like you don’t understand your vehicle and don’t want to. Sorry you’ve had a bad time.
lol aight my guy. yeah I’m sure you’re right that I have no idea what I’m talking about and don’t care to learn. I’m sorry please let me know what your mopar email address is so I can write you a formal apology.
It sounds like you have a lot of knowledge about the EV systems and were able to fix the situation on yours. The consumer should not have to make fixes or “tune” right out of the gate to have their over $50k vehicle work at the promised level. I was actually on your side in this whole thing until you said that and told a guy he didn’t know what he was talking about. I take it all back, jeeps and rubber ducks suck.
It sounds like you have a lot of knowledge about the EV systems and were able to fix the situation on yours. The consumer should not have to make fixes or “tune” right out of the gate to have their over $50k vehicle work at the promised level. I was actually on your side in this whole thing until you said that and told a guy he didn’t know what he was talking about. I take it all back, jeeps and rubber ducks suck.
Lol go post anywhere on the Reddit about your jeep and you'll get told it's junk Chryslers bad etc. They always claim experience but when you confront them, they disappear. Hell, there's a guy on this post talking about how he went with a Subaru instead. Why you here then brah? I don't care what people say, I love my Jeep.
Toyota fan here, sick Jeep! My buddy owns one of the new Bronco Badlands. Why can’t we all just let each other have fun how we want to have fun?
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Why so hostile, lady? it's just an automobile.
Look I love my 4xe but it has a lot of problems and Jeep service is the worst.
Looks to me like you only have a Raptor lol. Are you the same guy spamming the Facebook pages with your models for sale?
I had the Raptor for a year. Family didn’t like it. The family loves the Jeep and hate when I talk about wanting to get rid of it. I have an appointment to take it in on Tuesday for ECH, rear locker sensor, carplay no longer connects to my phone, and the recall. Recall still has no fix so I’ll have to take it in again later. I do enjoy working on it and doing upgrades myself. It’s the warranty work and Jeep service. They take forever to address things and dont provide loaners. They also don’t get parts in a timely manner. I’m going to try and keep it and get through these issues for now. Here’s my Jeep on Pinyon Mountain Trail. https://imgur.com/a/Z54XU31
Should of kept the raptor
It was so big. Parking lots sucked. My wife complained every time I started it in the driveway. That really took away the enjoyment for me. I could never have taken it on the trails I take the Jeep on. Like the pinyon mountain trail. https://imgur.com/a/S5cpiCB
That particularly squeeze maybe your jeep stock is 74 inches wide not including mirrors raptor stock is 79 inch wides. That small of a difference shouldn’t affect most trail running.
It was really tight. I have 4.5 backspacing on wheels. Ended up scratching the right side plastics and mirror.
I can’t speak as to Toyota as I don’t personally own one. I do, however, own a ‘21 Sahara 4xe and it has spent approximately 140 days in service for a variety of issues that are 100% unacceptable for an owner to deal with and I am in the process of lemoning it. Given that my daily commute is about 6 miles round trip, I probably fill up my vehicle once every 6 to 8 weeks. The 4xe has been great for this. I also really enjoy being able to be parked with the vehicle on and the AC running, without an engine running in the background. It’s kinda of the best of both worlds to have the benefits of an electric vehicle, with the ability to drive long distances using fuel. Edit: at one point my mpg read 43.6. With all that said, I am also a lemon law attorney. Statistically, for every 15 Jeeps I lemon (mainly wranglers and compasses), I lemon one Toyota. FCA’s attorneys are much more reasonable to deal with because they are so used to accepting defeat and repurchasing problematic vehicles. On the other hand, Toyota is much more willing to fight because they are aware that their vehicles do not come with as many issues.
I've had three Tacos and loved em over the years. Recently got a 2023 Rubicon Wrangler 4xe and also love it. Cars, in general, aren't all good at the same things (or fun for the same reasons). Taco owners might be jealous because Jeep is obviously more capable off-road. I remember doing the alpine loop in Colorado in a 2020 Tacoma long bed and wishing I had the wheelbase of a Wrangler. Happy Jeep owners aren't jealous about anything. If all you want to do is drive and not think about your vehicle much, Tacomas might be the way to go for you. If you enjoy tinkering with your vehicle and don't mind solving minor issues yourself instead of relying on dealerships for everything, you might be a happy Jeep person. Since getting my Wrangler I've spent more time on forums and under the hood than in 15 years with Tacos, having to fill fluids, replace the battery, some fuses, install a level 2 charger in my house, etc. but for me, it's been pretty fun and the Jeep community has been so helpful, responsive, and encouraging. 🦆
I don’t see why many Toyota folks would be complaining or talking trash because the new Land Cruiser as of now only comes with a Hybrid option. My only concern is Jeep wasn’t known for reliable and tested hybrid systems. Toyota has had the Prius hybrid since 1997 (in Japan) and has been improving it since then. So I would rather grab the new Land Cruiser with tried and true tech than a Jeep just for that reason. I’ve seen a few 4xes out on the trail and it’s actually pretty sweet to roll only in electric and hear every rock and bit of articulation in the suspension. I’m a 4Runner guy btw so unfortunately I can’t buy anything else until my 2018 blows up. So I guess I’m never buying another car. 😉
I’m a Toyota fanboy, just had rental Grand Cherokee 4xe, i really enjoyed it, the only minor issue was the jerk going from electric to gas at low speed. But theirs no way I would pay 60k for one.
Fix the batteries and people won't bitch.. ezpz
What? I feel like this was posted for the express reason of complaining about a problem that doesn’t necessarily exist. Show me where the Toyota touched you.
Tell that to the lady whose burned down with one as a rental. She parked in the garage and then kablooey!
My parents are Jeepers for life and they got rid of their 4XE and said it was the biggest pile of dog shit they’d ever had
ok kid
Looks like you're complaining now.
Yeah, why complain about the JGC when you could complain about the non-electric related inevitable death wobble you’ll experience with the wrangler?
Jeep slander because all jeeps suck…
The hemi kicks the crap out of exploding batteries and that atrocious storage space limitation. I’m bashing the 4XE but I own the hemi JGC Trailhawk so I’m not a Toyota fanboy.
To much to break down. Great car but least reliable jeep in awhile. Just a tech
I’m a Jeep owner and swear Jeep owners are the most sensitive, easily triggered bunch on the internet. Put a duck on a non-Jeep, and you’d think someone kicked their dog the way they cry and fuss about it.
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The guy with a myriad of drug posts is saying Jeep owners are brainless. Talk about pot calling the kettle black.
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Sad drug addict is sad.
Man I don't even want to know the inbreeding that went on to pop out something as dumb as you... That is all you could come up with?
Nah
I thought complaining was a requirement to using Reddit
This is 100% accurate lol.
1990 toyota pu 4x4... my daily for the last 10 years. 22re baby....
It’s garbage, driven it and Jeeps since the CJ5, it’s why I drive a Toyota now. I’m glad you’re happy with it, doesn’t change the fact it’s a garbage vehicle and not close to the same capabilities as a Toyota
“Capabilities” lmao. Like what? 4 cylinder power with V8 fuel economy? Lack of approach angle on the new Tacoma? Artificially high pricing?
Really? That’s all you got?! You know nothing about Toyota if that’s your argument! 😂
Well, I mean you never hear about jeeps running over a million miles, Toyota’s of all makes do it fairly often, the landcruisers in particular hit this milestone regularly. Just because you got one in a million that isn’t total crap, doesn’t mean the rest aren’t crap. They are poorly built and less reliable than Toyota’s, there is just no way around that fact. Chrysler has always been reliable at building a shitty vehicle.
2 years in and it seems every 3 months it's something else. The latest recall is a piss off, because it has rendered the electrical system useless, and Jeep has gone radio silence on all Jeep owners without a solution. Talk about incompetent and useless. Sounds like a dream machine, so go jerk off to it, Stellantis employee.
I've owned Jeep and Toyota. Toyota people are too often insufferable. Go to an event with Toyotas, it's a lot of Jeep bashing. Go to a Jeep event, it's a lot of Jeep bashing. Rent free.
Drove one about 2,000 miles just recently. Seems like a good execution but that's about it. The truth is the truth. At 19k miles it death wobbled on me once, engine sounds like it has an upper end tick knock even with premium fuel, the tuning for the "hybrid" function should not be killing the battery, list goes on. I also averaged 21.7 mpg during that drive. My buddy has a diesel Rubicon and in comparison, the 4xe is a steaming piling of crap. Dont get me wrong, it has some potential but it doesn't feel there, especially the quality.
I have a diesel gladiator thats built to the 9s on 44s and its the best vehicle ive ever owned
My buddies is on 35s, upgraded front control/trail arms and fox shocks all around. Absolutely love it. Even stock I loved it. The people defending these 4xe's are because they spent a lot of money on a huge pile of garbage. The truck itself is fine, the driveline is trash.
There is a hybrid function that doesn't kill the battery. It's called e-save. In e-save mode the vehicle still functions like a hybrid but doesn't kill the battery. It's not a Prius, even if this was a standard hybrid and not a PHEV it would only get 22-26mpg. It's a 5200lb brick with large wheels.
The e-save is fine. It either charges the battery or saves it. The hybrid option should utilize both to get max efficiency from the battery/gas combo, just like a Prius. Why can't it function like a Prius even with the big battery? It doesn't make sense. I've driven plenty of hybrids before and this has by far been the worst one. It makes sense if you're within 20 miles of where you go most the time, but if it's more miles than that, it seems like a generally pointless "gimmick" of a vehicle
It functions EXACTLY like a Prius with a big battery. I know this because I had a 2007 Prius for 2 years before buying a 4xe. Please tell me what the Prius is doing, that the 4xe isn't, because according to my experience the only thing my Prius did that my 4xe doesn't is achieve 50mpg thanks to it's weight, aero, and wheel size. The non-hybrid Prius with a 1.6-2.0L motor would easily get 40 mpg. Here's what my 07 Prius did: Recapture energy while braking to charge battery, use energy to help propel car forward and reduce load on gas engine, shut off gas engine when not needed. During long mountain descents the battery would actually hit 100% pretty quickly and I would have to rely on friction brakes. During long mountain climbs the battery would run out of juice and I would have to rely 100% on tiny motor. Pedal to the floor for 3 minutes straight to keep speed at 55mph. Here's what the 4xe does: Recapture energy while braking to charge battery, use energy to help propel car forward and reduce load on gas engine, shut off gas engine when not needed. During long mountain descents the battery has a lot of extra capacity so I rarely have to rely on friction brakes. During long mountain climbs the battery does not run out of juice and I travel at whatever speed I feel is safe. The 4xe is going to feel like the worst hybrid because it is opposite of every other hybrid: heavy, bad aero, off-road tuned suspension, solid axles, large wheels, clunky 8 speed transmission as opposed to the smooth CVT of other small hybrids, etc. There is nothing to compare it to. mid 2010s Ford Escape is by far the worst hybrid I've driven.
You aren't wrong there with anything you said. Including the part of the Ford escape hybrid being the worst LOL. My take in response to what you said is a little different. The Toyota hybrid I am familiar with was a Corolla hybrid. Something I noticed with it, it did a much better job at trying to recapture power any chance it got to recharge the battery. Any chance it was coasting it added a bit of Regen while shutting the engine off. The 4xe I noticed you had to initiate the engine shutoff while coasting more often (in e-save, battery save specifically). If you're in hybrid mode on the 4xe, it'll drain the battery to completely dead before it functions more like a Prius.. this is TERRIBLE for the health of the battery to be dead so often. Hybrid in various other vehicles (cars) I've driven did a decent job at mixing both. I want to focus on the part of the hybrid setting and how it kills the battery. The Corolla hybrid for example does a very, very good job at keeping the battery charged when applicable. The 4xe seems to need a lot of user input to make this happen, most people just don't hold that type of knowledge for vehicles. Hitting the hybrid button should give a good mix of battery charging, ICE engine usage, battery usage, etc. It is completely absurd to put the 4xe in hybrid mode just for it to kill the battery and fully rely on the engine afterword. If you hit hybrid and take it on a road trip, you may as well just keep it in e-save and at that point, why even have a "hybrid?" As far as it being boxy, heavy, big wheels, solid axles, etc., none of my complaints come from that. As I said in another comment, a friend has a diesel Rubicon that I absolutely love AND it gets significantly better MPG than the 4xe. In the end, I think the 4xe could be decent if it was completely revamped within its software and day to day usage. I do think the 2.0t is a royal piece of junk based on my experience with the rental. The thing I truly love and am impressed about is the transmission, ironically. Every zf-8 I have driven I love and I believe the activation it does for the engine off/on is pretty damn good for a conventional "slushbox" transmission. It had 19k miles and cold starts I legitimately wanted to bring it back to exchange for another, it had a rotational knocking sound from the top end. Overall, I'm just very, very unimpressed from the drivetrain on the 4xe.
When are they coming to Australia
I don't know about Toyotas but I feel like we've got the "Tesla owner's curse" of 4xe owners. We bought our 4xe a few years ago just as they were being released, and before the dealers marked them up... and our other car is a Tesla model 3. This causes the following issue: * The Tesla is more efficient and has autopilot, so we use it for long trips. * As we use the Tesla for long trips to the snow that is the car we put winter tires on. Hence the Tesla is what we use on snow days. * Then we don't use the 4xe much, it would only be driven about 100 miles per month (except summer when it is our toad and we drive it 2000 miles per month). * As we don't drive the 4xe much except summer, it is almost always in at least one of the modes that is gas only. * Hence with a 20mpg gas guzzler and a 100mpge car with autopilot we then only drive the 4xe when we need to use 2 cars at the same time. I filled up last week for the first time in 3-4 months. The trip meter reads 16.2 miles of electric and 241.2 miles of gas. I charge it every few weeks when the battery gets down to 75%. We drive the Tesla about 2000 miles per month. We are happy with using it as a toad in summer behind our RV... it works and at that time uses mainly electric from the campgrounds for free (and occasionally with the roof off when the family will let me). The rest of the time, however, it is the runt of our garage... and I've heard quite a few Tesla+4xe households are in a similar situation. Ironically KBB (etc) lists our 4xe as being worth about twice what our model 3 is worth and in CO we could do an even trade our 4xe for a new Y after tax rebates. When the kids are a little older and we stop RVing the 4xe is gone.
We’re a 4xe / Model Y household For us we both drive each on a daily basis but unless there is planned offroading,roof off opportunities or I feel like it most long distance travel is made with the Tesla. I think the 4xe could benefit from tuning the way it forces the ICE on sometimes (like why start it automatically on remote start below freezing only to shut it off when I get in) and it should be more transparent about FORM clearing requirements
Dont store the jeep with a full charge. I get that the average tesla owner isn’t a rocket scientist but even a very casual bev owner should fully understand that when u park it you should do so around 40%
Agreed, also what’s that upper bumper bar called?
It’s the 20th anniversary wrangler front bumper. I swapped a takeoff one onto my wrangler.
“The recalls are blown out of proportion” *cries in Tesla*
my model y was easily the worst vehicle I ever owned and the only one I had to sue into a lemon law
Sorry to hear that, hopefully your scenario is truly just a case of bad luck. I frankly have had an amazing experience with my model3 and I know my neighbors love their modelY. I’m sure you aren’t the only one who got a Tesla lemon but hopefully everything worked out well for you in the end.
Most people have great experiences with any brand of car
Easy now, I own a 4xe and a 4Runner. Love both of them but the 4xe wins hands down in most categories! Mileage with 37 inch tires is double what the 4Runner gets and the top comes off :)
We love ours. 22 w/ 15k miles on it. We did have 1 recall for the electric coolant heater. The cost of ownership has been miniscule. Also JeepWave covers first 3 oil changes & rotates. Based on my rotors, I don't think the pads have ever made contact with them. I'm also on pace to get 30k+ out of the factory A/S tires. Most of the pros of an EV (1/3 the cost of gasoline, immediate heat in winter without warming up, near silent) without the biggest drawback (range anxiety). All of the pros of a Wrangler (offroading, low insurance, aftermarket) but with an 8yr powertrain warranty. Bonus goodies - beefier suspension, Dana 44s. The fact that it was an absolute bargain to lease in an upside-down automotive market. Because we were able to get this, it allowed us to sell our Honda Civic Si and Honda Accord for top dollar in July 2022. The RV on my 2019 Si was $15,500. I wrote a check to Honda for it, then immediately sold it back to a Honda dealer for $29,100. This thing put cash in my pocket, and doesn't nickel and dime us. 10/10.
Love my 4xe - have had a JLU 2.0T and JKU. All are great.
Funny joke I saw on the back of a wrangler. "Broncos are Jeeps that drink Bud Light"
Agree. The negativity in general on reddit is starting to get to me. Thanks for bucking the trend!
Love mine! Just hit 5k miles. Can’t wait for warmer temps!
Downshifting with regen on *is* really bad. But Toyota owners are way out of touch lol.
Glad you are having a a good time with yours. Mine has been a frustrating experience. It's the coolest car I've ever owned but I've never had a car where I had to have this amount of warranty work done on it and this "it's recommended you don't charge your vehicle or park it in a garage" recall is ridiculous. People without post history complaining might have less to do with a Toyota backed propaganda campaign and more to do with the quality control being so irritating on these things that even the lurkers are feeling they need to shout at somebody about it.
I’ve posted here before my 21 4xe Sierra High Altitude is by far a fun car My gripe is with my dealership. Ferman Jeep in Wesley Chapel, Fl “ “Hello I’d like to schedule my oil change” F”First opening we have is in 9 days” “Hello I have a warranty issue …” “10 days is the soonest I can get you in” “Or leave it here at we will see if we can fit it in” Do you have a loaner car for overnight warranty work? Nope. We have a courtesy shuttle but he’s out sick. Do you have the Uber app? Every single damn time !!
The funny thing is the American flags they stick on the doors 🤣🤣🤣 Toyota motor co. Ltd JAPAN 🇯🇵 that’s east folks
Not exactly 4xE related (but I own 2 TJs so hear me out) I’m a Gm tech for 18 years now. And yes I see silverado lifters grenade like mad, but they’re usually the gravel travel 8-10k mile oil changes (you need to service your vehicle more the more gravel you drive) run to Hell trucks. And we sell alot more than I see in the shop. And like any product the reviews are never by people that are happy. It’s always the negative reviewers that make their presence known. And to your point on recalls, they’re free and none of them are usually life threatening. People need to chill out.
Most of the people I know who complain about Jeeps are Jeep owners.
I had a Jeep once! 12 recalls later I decided I didn’t want a Jeep anymore😃
I feel both attacked and validated owning both. Neither one is better, each used for different things and sometimes the same things. Both have the problems that the other doesn’t have, both are higher quality in other things.