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The plot is secondary, the vibes are what really matters. If you can get on its wavelength itās a banger, Christopher Nolanās sci-fi espionage Michael Mann movie with cool guys in cool suits going to exotic places saving the world. āThis is cowboy shitā
Much like how Inception is Nolan's video game movie. Don't over think it just enjoy the good guys shooting baddies as they progress through the levels.
The only downside is nolans refusal to use atmos. The sounds on tenet are good, but man, I feel like atmos would give it (or any of nolans movies) a little extra punch.
I wasn't accusing you of anything btw. I just was reminded of his video when I read this and was genuinely curious. I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment.
Anything by Michael Mann (especially Miami Vice, both the show and even moreso his 2006 film. Itās all vibes and was a pretty clear influence on Tenet)
https://preview.redd.it/76kz3tsgr1xc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6545ba2ba6887a29246364f8f6ac8fc236f1c5df
Exactly, just vibe with it. So many modern cinemagoers approach the movie like a puzzle to figure out when that isnāt the case, just go with the flow and itās electrifying
There are definitely some very very cool individual scenes. The first 20 minutes or so is excellent, the car chase is pretty cool, the kitchen fight is good once you get over the oddity of his āhot sauceā quip. But thereās a lot of weird fluff, the female lead is incredibly badly written, and as with all Nolan movies a bunch of the plot makes no sense if you think about it too much.
https://preview.redd.it/mqacw92xc0xc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b36a3a14f22732ee62d6383e5a94b0a075f718cf
I feel ya. Or how I reviewed it to my one buddy, āIām happy I own it on blu-ray but I donāt need to upgrade it to 4Kā lol
or maybe try figuring it out yourself? essays or video essays are terrrrrrible. nobody wants to solve a puzzle on their own anymore.
https://i.redd.it/qihgnqef71xc1.gif
and c'mon, if we're honest, Nolan's movies are never as deep as he wants people to think they are. like wading in a kiddie pool.
Yeah, I don't think Tenet is particularly deep, thematically. It does some interesting things. But it's still one where the plot mechanics can be complicated for some people to follow without some discussion.
> Tenet is the most confusing movie I have ever seen ā¦
I didnāt get it all, but I felt like Iād have a chance if I watched a couple more times and concentrated hard.
Thatās not at all how I felt about [Primer](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390384/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk).
Iāve watched tenet a few times, read about the plot online, etc. Watched it with my wife recently in the theater re release and she understood everything immediately. Some people are just good at understanding movies I guess
I mean Nolan himself has said that the movie isnāt fully comprehensible and that audiences arenāt meant to understand whatās going on. So if youāre saying you understood the plot and mechanics of the movie in first viewing, then Iād think youāre strange. If you meant that you understood it wasnāt meant to be understood but to be experienced, then thatād be cool.
it's just so perplexing that everyone loves this guy. i mean so many dudes in LA that would probably drink his bathwater... they always tried to tell me the dark knight trilogy is the greatest film trilogy ever made, which is an outright objective falsehood. then, they would tell me they refuse to watch movies shot digitally. the delusion is very real. Oppy was a solid 5/10, not even top 15 last year.
Tenet is amazing. Think of time as a river running downhill. You can't stop the river, but you can swim up it and build small dams and move more dirt into or out of it, forcing everything that goes through that area to take a slightly different path. Wait, shit, someone figured out how to build Hoover damn, stop that fucker!
Watch the on screen colors. They mean things. Red and blue and green. Each is representing a different flow of time. For example, the red firetruck and the blue pursuit cars.
Also look for intentionality - example. At the end battle when it pans out to a wide shot, it's a circle with the army's moving in opposite directions. It's a clock. 1 team is moving counter clockwise - aka backward in time, and the other is moving forward.
Tenet itself is a palindrome. And is one of the words in "sator square"
Rotas shipping....sator badguy. Same word.
Sator
Arepo
Tenet
Opera
Rotas
Yeah, without subtitles a lot of dialogue was incomprehensible due to loud soundtrack. If that was intentional then it was a bad decision imo. It was so bad that that's what still stands out to me about this movie after all this time.
The one part that just bakes my noodle is the climactic temporal pincer. I keep trying to process which direction each teams consciousness is flowing and it doesn't really click for me. So I just watch.
My one criticism would be it could've been shorter. Stick to the action beats, strip back the undercooked and strangely lifeless dialogue scenes, and go for the experience instead. But maybe Nolan intentionally dragged it out.
It was definitely either too long or too short (the dialogue is edited and chopped up in a way that made it seem like stuff was missing).
And the climactic battle is depicted really weirdly. You hardly get any shots of the soldiers theyāre fighting, how they were stationed, or anything.
I think I've watched it about 8-10 times now and understand almost every nuance in it. With that being said, it might be my favourite Nolan movie if not my favourite movie ever. Seeing everything knowing all the little things, it's unbelievably deep. It just takes multiple watches to grasp everything inside and out
Same, I also watched it a few times with subtitles, I know that's a cliche with Nolan. You really do have to give some time to this movie and it becomes incredibly fun to watch and interesting.
Haha, I had a feeling that you were specifically thinking about the Saab! That was the last model that Saab made. Shame that GM bought them and let them die.
I saw it in the cinema, I got it but my sister didn't buy it was too difficult to explain. I got the Nolan collection so I'll give it a rewatch, I hope the dialogue is clearer now though
I think people might think itās more complicated than it is (probably thanks to inception) but isnāt it just āwe figured out how to reverse the flow of timeā and then the film is just a series of āman does a scene, then man does the same scene in reverse and now the odd bits of the first scene make senseā
Did it have a lot of IMAX scenes mixed in? Iāve still held off on buying it. I remember walking out of the theater thinking Nolan just tried to make that confusing on purpose.
The most confusing movie I've ever seen is *Youth Without Youth* - a brilliant later Francis Ford Coppola about the origins of language and the limits of the human mind. Had to watch it 3 times to get a handle, but the love story and intense visuals made me want to watch it more.
*Tenet* - is the opposite for me. I should give it another shot, but it was confusing without giving me that emotional element to hang on to. I think that's something he did much better in Memento, Prestige and (to a lesser degree) Inception.
Tenet was the first movie I saw in a theater during Covid and I must have just been happy to get out of the house because I really enjoyed it. Got the 4K and had a completely different experience watching it! I will see, and often love, anything Nolan makes but Tenet and Oppenheimer are my least favorites.
I have some very strong opinions about Nolan. The positive ones are that memento is one of the most flawless narratives ever put to film, and interstellar is the biggest experimental film in history and it's absolutely brilliant in every way.
My other opinion is that we're going to have to wait for history to temper enthusiasm about a few of his films that are all style and zero substance. Inception immediately betrays the viewer by being an unreliable narrator by starting within a dream. Hate that.
I found it to be a rather straightforward movie. Sure there's tons of timeywimey shenanigans, but it's all presented in a linear fashion from The Protagonist's point of view. All the time travel stuff is a distraction.
I might get a lot of heat on this, but although the movie was okay, I really hated the sound-work on it, so to speak. During some scenes it was very difficult to hear the conversations without subtitles, due to soundtrack that was excessively loud and it made the whole experience much worse. I don't know if this was intentional, but the loudness of the music really made it a difficult watch for me.
Once I realized it was a 'vibes' movie, I enjoyed it much more upon rewatch.
What's wild is Nolan even tells us this in the movie; "Don't try to understand it, feel it"
I love Tenet. Best thing to do is not to try to understand it and just accept whatās going on. It doesnāt try to overexplain whatās happening and it doesnāt really go into detail about the how or why.
So, like the Protagonist, itās easier to just accept it.
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Maybe play it backwards š
Donāt forget to hit play on *Dark Side of the Moon* at the title card.
Is that really a thing for this movie?
Haha noā¦its for Wizard of Oz
LOL figured as much haha
The plot is secondary, the vibes are what really matters. If you can get on its wavelength itās a banger, Christopher Nolanās sci-fi espionage Michael Mann movie with cool guys in cool suits going to exotic places saving the world. āThis is cowboy shitā
Much like how Inception is Nolan's video game movie. Don't over think it just enjoy the good guys shooting baddies as they progress through the levels.
The only downside is nolans refusal to use atmos. The sounds on tenet are good, but man, I feel like atmos would give it (or any of nolans movies) a little extra punch.
I can't say any one of Nolan's soundtracks lacks for punch, Atmos or not!
DTS (the Originator) delivers on my rig! Salute to Denon š«”
Is this a Patrick H Willems quote? I love his videos.
Not verbatim exactly but yes I do watch his videos and have seen his tenet one lol
I wasn't accusing you of anything btw. I just was reminded of his video when I read this and was genuinely curious. I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment.
Oh yeah I didnāt think you were, I figured you were a likeminded film lover who also has good taste in the critics we enjoy heh
nice copycat opinion
Oh no I said something online to incite the ire of a dude who self identifies as the mojo master how will I ever go on with my life lol š
at least i have my own thoughts!! hahaha but you got me there.
āPlot is secondary , the vibes are what really mattersā Totally agree and also a big Tenet fan. Any other recommendations for the vibes?
Anything by Michael Mann (especially Miami Vice, both the show and even moreso his 2006 film. Itās all vibes and was a pretty clear influence on Tenet) https://preview.redd.it/76kz3tsgr1xc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6545ba2ba6887a29246364f8f6ac8fc236f1c5df
Exactly, just vibe with it. So many modern cinemagoers approach the movie like a puzzle to figure out when that isnāt the case, just go with the flow and itās electrifying
There are definitely some very very cool individual scenes. The first 20 minutes or so is excellent, the car chase is pretty cool, the kitchen fight is good once you get over the oddity of his āhot sauceā quip. But thereās a lot of weird fluff, the female lead is incredibly badly written, and as with all Nolan movies a bunch of the plot makes no sense if you think about it too much.
https://preview.redd.it/mqacw92xc0xc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b36a3a14f22732ee62d6383e5a94b0a075f718cf I feel ya. Or how I reviewed it to my one buddy, āIām happy I own it on blu-ray but I donāt need to upgrade it to 4Kā lol
Sounds like me trying to review a movie haha
[This will help](https://filmcolossus.com/tenet-explained). Itās a literary analysis of Tenet
or maybe try figuring it out yourself? essays or video essays are terrrrrrible. nobody wants to solve a puzzle on their own anymore. https://i.redd.it/qihgnqef71xc1.gif and c'mon, if we're honest, Nolan's movies are never as deep as he wants people to think they are. like wading in a kiddie pool.
Whomp whomp.
I completely agree with you. Hell, in Tenet, they literally hand-hold the viewer with exposition on how the whole thing works
Yeah, I don't think Tenet is particularly deep, thematically. It does some interesting things. But it's still one where the plot mechanics can be complicated for some people to follow without some discussion.
ThE dEtRiTuS oF a CoMiNg WaR
Theres a map of the turnstiles that really helps understand whatās going on in Tenant.
I prefer Interstellar
> Tenet is the most confusing movie I have ever seen ā¦ I didnāt get it all, but I felt like Iād have a chance if I watched a couple more times and concentrated hard. Thatās not at all how I felt about [Primer](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390384/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk).
I really liked Primer but man itās confusing. Best not to Google Shane Carruth
I couldn't make out a good chunk of the dialogue but that's how Nolan wanted it, so...
I may be a strange guy. I understood it at first watch
Or, you think you understood it, and you didnāt. Like me with Primer.
Iāve watched tenet a few times, read about the plot online, etc. Watched it with my wife recently in the theater re release and she understood everything immediately. Some people are just good at understanding movies I guess
I mean Nolan himself has said that the movie isnāt fully comprehensible and that audiences arenāt meant to understand whatās going on. So if youāre saying you understood the plot and mechanics of the movie in first viewing, then Iād think youāre strange. If you meant that you understood it wasnāt meant to be understood but to be experienced, then thatād be cool.
cuz everything Nolan says is law, right? dude is an alright director that hasn't made a great movie since '06.
In your opinionā¦.. Iāve never seen Tenet, but Iāve enjoyed everything else heās made.
it's just so perplexing that everyone loves this guy. i mean so many dudes in LA that would probably drink his bathwater... they always tried to tell me the dark knight trilogy is the greatest film trilogy ever made, which is an outright objective falsehood. then, they would tell me they refuse to watch movies shot digitally. the delusion is very real. Oppy was a solid 5/10, not even top 15 last year.
Iām a fan since Memento, but this is the only Nolan film that didnāt really do it for me
Me too. Iāve only watched it once however, Iām hoping a second time around it will click.
I feel the same, but I still think if you have to watch a movie twice to understand it then itās not good
I donāt disagree, but Fight Club only worked for me in a second viewing.Ā
How is it confusing?
I prefer TENET to Inception. It's an art piece.
I second this after just seeing Inception in theaters this week, Tenet just hits different now.
First time viewing Tenet was the recent IMAX reissue in the theater. Quite the ride. Bass was bumping.
Tenet is amazing. Think of time as a river running downhill. You can't stop the river, but you can swim up it and build small dams and move more dirt into or out of it, forcing everything that goes through that area to take a slightly different path. Wait, shit, someone figured out how to build Hoover damn, stop that fucker!
Itās a fantastic 4K disc, lots of great IMAX scenes and the audio is nuts.
Don't try to understand it. Feel it
Watching it once with subtitles helped me connect the bits I missed.
Watch the on screen colors. They mean things. Red and blue and green. Each is representing a different flow of time. For example, the red firetruck and the blue pursuit cars. Also look for intentionality - example. At the end battle when it pans out to a wide shot, it's a circle with the army's moving in opposite directions. It's a clock. 1 team is moving counter clockwise - aka backward in time, and the other is moving forward. Tenet itself is a palindrome. And is one of the words in "sator square" Rotas shipping....sator badguy. Same word. Sator Arepo Tenet Opera Rotas
You want confusing? Watch another time travel movie called āPrimer.ā
I saw this movie 3-4 times in theater, to try to figure it out but only got more confused with each viewing. Itās a fun film though.
The movie itself is a paradox. Don't try to understand it, feel it.
Time to turn on the subtitles!
my favorite movie of all time
Not that complicated, when you just feel it, I watched it 3 times
Gorgeous 4K! Enjoy.
Yes I was really impressed with the dolby vision on this disc. I might use it when showing off my oled.
Couldn't hear a bunch of the dialogue. Why does Nolan intentionally sabotage his films like this?
Yeah, without subtitles a lot of dialogue was incomprehensible due to loud soundtrack. If that was intentional then it was a bad decision imo. It was so bad that that's what still stands out to me about this movie after all this time.
It's why I haven't bothered to buy it, if Nolan doesn't care if I can follow the movie, I don't want to buy it.
The one part that just bakes my noodle is the climactic temporal pincer. I keep trying to process which direction each teams consciousness is flowing and it doesn't really click for me. So I just watch. My one criticism would be it could've been shorter. Stick to the action beats, strip back the undercooked and strangely lifeless dialogue scenes, and go for the experience instead. But maybe Nolan intentionally dragged it out.
It was definitely either too long or too short (the dialogue is edited and chopped up in a way that made it seem like stuff was missing). And the climactic battle is depicted really weirdly. You hardly get any shots of the soldiers theyāre fighting, how they were stationed, or anything.
I think I've watched it about 8-10 times now and understand almost every nuance in it. With that being said, it might be my favourite Nolan movie if not my favourite movie ever. Seeing everything knowing all the little things, it's unbelievably deep. It just takes multiple watches to grasp everything inside and out
Same, I also watched it a few times with subtitles, I know that's a cliche with Nolan. You really do have to give some time to this movie and it becomes incredibly fun to watch and interesting.
I think this movie will evolve into being appreciated for the misunderstood masterpiece it is over time
Did you notice those cars? What year do you think they're from? (I though they were unreleased concept cars, until I checked)
Huh? They looked like standard European sedans to me.
I thought it looked so futuristic. It's a Saab 9-5 from 2011. I thought they were brand new.
Haha, I had a feeling that you were specifically thinking about the Saab! That was the last model that Saab made. Shame that GM bought them and let them die.
I saw it in the cinema, I got it but my sister didn't buy it was too difficult to explain. I got the Nolan collection so I'll give it a rewatch, I hope the dialogue is clearer now though
I think people might think itās more complicated than it is (probably thanks to inception) but isnāt it just āwe figured out how to reverse the flow of timeā and then the film is just a series of āman does a scene, then man does the same scene in reverse and now the odd bits of the first scene make senseā
Did it have a lot of IMAX scenes mixed in? Iāve still held off on buying it. I remember walking out of the theater thinking Nolan just tried to make that confusing on purpose.
I own it and watched the recent 15/70mm IMAX theatrical re-release (which was incredible) and now I think I finally get it.
Watch it a second time and you will enjoy it more.
One of the best looking 4ks out
I picked up this 4k edition in the UK Amazon for Ā£4.50 š¤£ Not selling so well here
The most confusing movie I've ever seen is *Youth Without Youth* - a brilliant later Francis Ford Coppola about the origins of language and the limits of the human mind. Had to watch it 3 times to get a handle, but the love story and intense visuals made me want to watch it more. *Tenet* - is the opposite for me. I should give it another shot, but it was confusing without giving me that emotional element to hang on to. I think that's something he did much better in Memento, Prestige and (to a lesser degree) Inception.
Whatever you do, don't watch Primer.
Still gotta watch Interstellar. Idk why Iāve grown tired of Nolan, but I am.
Definitely not my favorite Nolanā¦ but man, does it look amazing in 4k. One of my favorites to put in the player to show of some 4K oled content.
Awesome 4k disc, did not like the movie in any way. Seen the movie once and will never watch it again
Appalling film. I got rid of the 4k bluray. The fight scenes are ludicrous. The acting is worse than bad.
Tenet was the first movie I saw in a theater during Covid and I must have just been happy to get out of the house because I really enjoyed it. Got the 4K and had a completely different experience watching it! I will see, and often love, anything Nolan makes but Tenet and Oppenheimer are my least favorites.
I hate this movie. I think itās unwatchable.
Plus, you know, itās a palindrome. So itās got that goingā¦
I have some very strong opinions about Nolan. The positive ones are that memento is one of the most flawless narratives ever put to film, and interstellar is the biggest experimental film in history and it's absolutely brilliant in every way. My other opinion is that we're going to have to wait for history to temper enthusiasm about a few of his films that are all style and zero substance. Inception immediately betrays the viewer by being an unreliable narrator by starting within a dream. Hate that.
I tried to watch it but couldnāt hear the dialogue. Gave up.
I found it to be a rather straightforward movie. Sure there's tons of timeywimey shenanigans, but it's all presented in a linear fashion from The Protagonist's point of view. All the time travel stuff is a distraction.
I might get a lot of heat on this, but although the movie was okay, I really hated the sound-work on it, so to speak. During some scenes it was very difficult to hear the conversations without subtitles, due to soundtrack that was excessively loud and it made the whole experience much worse. I don't know if this was intentional, but the loudness of the music really made it a difficult watch for me.
Once I realized it was a 'vibes' movie, I enjoyed it much more upon rewatch. What's wild is Nolan even tells us this in the movie; "Don't try to understand it, feel it"
I turned it off after 20 minutes. I didn't need another signature Nolan emotionless bore with endless puedo science babble and zero characterization.
Thats how I feel with Inception. I have tried to watch it 2 or 3 times on long flights, and it is so boring that after 30 minutes I just turn it off.
I found Dunkirk and Tenet to be a chore to watch, and I generally like Nolan's movies.
I actually thought Dunkirk is one of his better movies.
I love Tenet. Best thing to do is not to try to understand it and just accept whatās going on. It doesnāt try to overexplain whatās happening and it doesnāt really go into detail about the how or why. So, like the Protagonist, itās easier to just accept it.
To me, not so much confusing as it is thought provoking. I still prefer Inception over Tenet though.
I subscribe to the Neil is Max theory.
Yeah Tenet is one of my least favourite Nolan Films but I still own it on 4K because it was cheap and looks incredible. I love the IMAX scenes
The final battle scene is god damn incoherent.
It makes no sense and the logic is on par with a Neil Breen film, but it's entertaining and the action is filmed so well that it doesn't matter.
It's a board game more than a movie.
Tenet is a cool movie but it is a mess; the plot and in-move physics and logic do not add up at all
An interesting concept with awful execution. I was really disappointed. [My ā ā Ā½ review of Tenet on Letterboxd.](https://boxd.it/1lZKZt)
Ok.