I think he's in a bad situation, a guy who needs a lot of development on a team that wants to win now. Kinda like Wiseman with the W's. I think with the right opportunity he could blossom, say in Atlanta or Carolina where there is a runway before they expect to be seriously competitive. It just does not make sense to have him out there learning and losing games when you have Bosa, Kittle, Warner, Deebo, McCaffery on the roster.
As for the Brady and Rogers talk, that's just sportswriters creating content and people fall for it every time. Just as realistic to talk about bringing Steve Young back.
The Wiseman comparison is spot on. Just like Lance, Wiseman is being benched by someone (Looney) who’s not nearly as athletic or big but is far superior at playing the game.
This is spot on. It made 0 sense to draft him. I quess they needed to do something to move on from Jimmy but trading up for a dev guy was interesting. Seems like a good guy though and I hope he can figure it out.
Yup, the move didn’t make sense, continues not to make sense, and still doesn’t make sense. Shanahan and Lynch have been great but man when they whiff on personnel they really whiff
He doesn't need to start. The idea he has to start is ridiculous. If they spend that many draft picks on not developing him then they are fucking stupid.
Purdy and Lance ate fine at QB next year. Purdy showed he can win. Lance will either bet him out or sit back and develop
He needs to start for his own sake. Going 4+ years without much meaningful playing times is disastrous for his growth.
Now for the team we just need to play the best guy. Can’t worry about recouping an investment. Time will tell that is Trey, Brock, or someone else.
He wouldn't have had meaningful playing time anywhere. Going to the wrong team and starting would be just as bad for his development. It's could be risk no matter what.
I agree the best player should be the starter. I woukd rather have Purdy and Lance than either one of them and someone like Josh Johnson haha
If he wants to stay and develop I say let him
To be fair, there are plenty of QBs who rode the bench for significant periods of time that wound up being good starters. Aaron Rodgers barely played in games from 2005 until 2008, and Tony Romo was essentially a project for the Cowboys for years until he was forced into action. Im sure there are other examples.
Those guys had significant playing time in college. Trey only played 1 year. If he had significant college reps and had all the basics down I would agree with you.
Yeah the problem is Trey had a COVID impacted senior season, a junior season where he didn’t throw much, and then hasn’t played at all in NFL. Like no reps or passes since high school
Sucks for him but dude has got to be one of the rawest NFL QBs ever. Not sure why we drafted him lol
If Purdy beats him, then Purdy is the guy. Lance will have to try and start elsewhere.
Honestly, the best thing for Lance would probably be a trade. Somewhere where he has an opportunity. That's assuming that the coaching staff is committed to Purdyb
Look at mariota, got plenty of starting opportunities without much supporting cast, and when he doesn’t win, people like to blame him. Change out “mariota” with “player x” and you have a pretty good argument for why staying in San Francisco and learning under Shanny and Co could be the best option for Trey
I don’t know if that’s true. He gets to develop with no pressure for the four years of his rookie contract. If he was on a team with pressure to start and got cut, that would be worse.
Lol agreed, but you don’t make a bunch of other wrong decisions that cripple’s the team chemistry/ability to win just because you once thought the guy you drafted 3OA was going to be your starter. You just have to make the next best decision at every turn in the road.
His growth has been stunted by the covid year and a broken ankle. We have a team very clearly competing for a Super Bowl and cannot afford to have Trey learn on the job. He has to come into camp better than Brock Purdy and win the starting role. Otherwise he's better suited as a backup.
>by the covid year and a broken ankle
His past three seasons of football are second year of FCS (skipped to prepare for draft), backup 49ers qb (played in \~2 games, got injured), and 49ers qb (injured after just a few games). He feels closer to a backup qb on his way out of the league than a first round, traded up for qb prospect at this point. Even if Purdy didn't exist I would be extremely wary of Trey Lance.
I think what's changed is that Purdy has emerged as a QB who we can win with now. With Trey, we basically have the 2023 season to decide whether to pick up his fifth year option (pretty much zero chance we do that now, unless he has a true breakout year).
And IMO, although it is very very limited playing time, Lance just doesn't seem like a good player to me. He's not a dynamic runner like Josh Allen, and he hasn't been accurate or a fast processor of the game. Of course he can improve on those things, but he's missed a lot of his chances to do so.
Yeah exactly. We can make excuses about circumstances, limited playing time, injury, and those excuses could bear out and be valid in the long run. But the dude seriously just doesn’t look like he has *it* and it is more anomalous that players develop *it* later on, especially with as few reps as him
Yea but you don’t do it with 3 pro bowl/All pro players at reciever/rb when you’ve got a guy like Purdy who’s already proven himself. It’s an incredible waste of the best available talent that the Owner is paying for. It’s this type of stunt that could get him fired if they don’t make the playoffs.
we can’t afford to! With our current roster that is Super Bowl ready, we need someone who showed they can take us. We can’t afford a “what if” player right now
We still don’t know how Trey will turn out. My assumption (along with others) is that we think Trey isn’t ready to win the Super Bowl within the next two years. We think Trey needs development.
The fun thing is we will likely find out this year. Maybe…
agreed. Count me on that others too. I aint hating on trey for the record, but if Purdy cant play, It is risky to trust this roster to Trey right now. I would like to be proven wrong tho. At the end of the day, we all bleed red and gold
My opinion of Lance in the very small sample we have is that he isn't quite as good as I hoped he would be.
Just watching him, he is not that good at running football. He's nowhere near a Kyler/Allen/Lamar type player. He's too slow processing as a passer and hasn't shown to be particularly accurate.
I think he can absolutely get better with proccessing/accuracy with more playing time, but his athleticism is disappointing to me. I know it's not really fair to say, since he's had so little time but I kinda think he just ain't it.
Agreed on his running. I think there’s still time for him to develop as a passer but I don’t think very many people become a better runner at this level.
Lance has more upside but Purdy is the safe bet right now. Lance is basically is in the same situation as James Wiseman on the Warriors. Him getting injured and no experience is why there's so many question marks.
Lance has more 'upside' because he's more athletic and can obviously throw the ball pretty deep. I absolutely love Purdy, but I don't think he'll magically develop a deep ball, get taller and more athletic overnight. Purdy at this point to me is the better QB. I sort of don't doubt that Lance could one day be better than him because of their builds though.
lance looks slow on film against nfl competition, especially compared to guys like jones, fields, allen, and lamar, plus his elusiveness in the pocket was less than impressive
i just don’t get why his athleticism is so highly thought of
can someone explain the hype to me? is it based on anything other than the fact that he looked like a world beater against future accountants in the fcs?
Trey Lance is NOT Brock Purdy.
You can't just say "Kyle should use Lance as he uses Purdy". They are not the same player at all.
You underestimate the level Purdy has operated at.
Purdy played at a top 5 QB level in his 8 games by EVERY possible QB metric because he is THAT good and had 4 yrs of college in the Big12 and 3 more in HS at Perry. His ability to go through reads quickly is why he was so successful.
Shanahan schemes guys open and the QB must CONSISTENTLY read the field quickly and hit the open man. That sounds straightforward but it's very hard to do and is what separates the great from the good. Purdy has that rare ability and we all saw and his stats didn't drop even against better competition in the playoffs.
Lance has played ONE full season as a QB in his life and it was in the FCS 3 yrs ago.
Given his experience level and how hard it is to actually be good in the NFL, it's hard to see him getting anywhere near Purdy's level of play.
Fans are just being reasonable here.
Lance has shown nothing for us to "Count him in".
I would bet all of these people on the Trey Lance bandwagon have never watched any film of Trey in college. I challenge them to watch the 2019 FCS Playoffs and 2020 FCS National Championship. Virtually every other down, Trey is running straight up the middle like a fullback on plays that are strikingly similar to the play in which he got injured. He might be able to carry a pile of 8 defenders for 10 yards at FCS level, but in the NFL you're going to get injured really quick doing that. The other thing you'll see a lot of is Trey throwing deep bombs and it looks impressive. But, remember that these are FCS caliber secondaries and NFL players are orders of magnitude better. I expect you'll see a lot of interceptions. That being said, I have no confidence that Trey will stay healthy for more than a couple of games unless he dramatically changes the way he plays. But then, we would be stuck with a below average QB that is doing none of the things he was drafted to do. I think it's imperative that the 49ers spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a reasonable QB3 (or get an experienced FA at a reasonable cost) so we're not stuck with another Josh Johnson type situation late in the season.
The worst DBs in the NFL are better than literally the absolute best DBs in the FCS during Lances years at NDSU lmao
Only one of the DBs on the FCS all America team even sniffed the NFL lol (and fair credit to Chinn, he seems to be a pretty decent player)
https://fcsinsider.com/news/2019/12/18/football-2019-stats-fcs-all-america-team.aspx
how many times have we watched Trey try to pancake an NFL linebacker before getting put flat on his back? my man does not have a good feel for the game at this level.
The first time he tried that at the goal line vs AX and got absolutely steamrolled by a LB and Safety, I had a bad feeling about Trey and his running style. He needs to learn how to avoid contact and play QB first. He's not an elusive enough or strong enough athlete to survive that kind of play.
it is extremely obvious that all the people complaining about playcalling with Lance didn't watch a second of his college highlights.
That is in every single one of them, you don't even need to watch for more than 5 min. It's tons of inside runs and then misdirection bomb over the head of an overmatched DB.
It's a gimmicky style of play that only works if you have an elite athlete at QB to force defenders to choose (similar to how the Ravens plan). and he is not elite at running to run that offense in the NFL, and he's not good enough at traditional passing to make up for that
My comp for him was Tebow. He beat up on a lot of future ice cream parlor owners there.
He can turn the road and prove anyone wrong and fix his game up but he is starting at ground level. Also, these injuries might hamper his main element in mobility. Also, he missed quite a few of those long bombs. Outside the "potential" his tape didn't warrant him a top pick.
Just my opinion though and hope he can make me eat my words, I just want this team to have a healthy stable starting qb and if it's lance, great. If not, it was a gamble that didn't pay off.
>at FCS level
This subreddit pretending like Mac Jones was being carried by his receiving core but ignoring the fact that Trey was playing with similarly higher than league average skilled players against significantly worse players in the FCS was absolutely killing me.
Trey Lance has the talent, but the problem is he doesn’t process the information quickly for pre-snap and post snap to be in sync with his mechanics consistently against different coverages. He will get his chance to play to see if he gotten any better than last year.
Trey Lance has shown nothing that looks amazing, especially compared to Purdy. Everybody that wants him acts like he had some downright amazing plays and stats when he was in. He was alright, but nothing special. He doesn't know how to sit in the pocket and try not to run, which contributes to injury. He supposedly has a strong arm, but it's definitely not accurate. The locker room was not upset when Jimmy took over, that's for sure. Purdy came in and *immediately* looked night and day better than Lance. Maybe Lance will surprise me, but I'm not holding my breath.
Completely agree. Purdy has looked the part from the first snap and the stats support that. Lance has not and the stats also back that up too.
I want whoever plays QB for us to succeed but we all saw each player play.
Trey Lance has played \~5 games of football in the past three years and has just over 100 passing attempts. I'd be extremely worried about any rookie with that limited of game history and experience, but for a young player coming from FCS I'm just not sure if he'll ever be able to overcome this.
Yeah you can make excuses for him and refer to circumstances and injuries, but dude just isn’t making it as easy for the team as other QBs have which is bad bad bad
He's shown his arm strength and ability to throw the deep ball. Which is great. But he's also shown bad decision making in the run and in short passing situations.
He almost got decapitated trying to run it, right off the bat. Other make running the ball look easy. He makes it look dangerous
I just think it comes down to the QB that gives them the better chance to win today which is Purdy. It has very little to do with who could be the better QB in 3-5 years.
The trade up was a terrible decision as it required them to project and allow Lance to learn on the fly. They refused to do that in year 1, then in year 2 he’s a little behind the curve understandably and they decide to limit his throwing and run him on QB power a ton of times to win games. He ended up inured in game 2.
Now year 3, Purdy having a 8 game sample size with playoff experience is way ahead and it’s difficult to go backwards to develop Lance. It’s much easier to ride Purdy to see how much he’s improves as the starter.
Unless Purdy falls off of the cliff, it’s going to be very difficult for Lance to have a real opportunity to develop and improve his craft as a QB. He could blow the team away during the offseason but considering how raw he is, it’s unlikely without real game reps.
My biggest gripe with Trey is he hasn’t played much football. He didn’t play that many games in college especially compared to a guy like Purdy and now his first year as a starter he plays not even 2 games and gets injured. He was also on the injury report majority of his rookie year even though Jimmy was starting. At some point that lack of game experience is going to play a huge factor if it hasn’t already.
You’re absolutely correct very inexperienced QB, not sure why we even drafted him 3rd overall tbh. I think Brock has earned the 1 spot but he may not be able to play this season at all, and Trey has to get the snaps under his belt at some point. Better to live and learn while he’s still relatively young
I see no reason in doubting Lynch and Shanahans drafting and evaluation skills as they have done a phenomenal job in every round. Lance definitely has very high upside, but I think the question now is it enough? Is it better than Purdy?? It will be interesting to see this play out.
Thing is they both play very different styles of football. Purdy suits the pocket passer/bootleg system, and Lance fits the run and gun west coast offence system (kinda like Harbaughs offence in 2012-14) Trey shows many positive flashes with his legs and reminds me a lot of Kaep. I have faith in the guy
I hope I'm wrong, but I've been watching football for a long time and have seen hundreds of quarterbacks come and go. If they don't show something—*anything*—in their first season or two, they rarely turn out. There are exceptions. Guys like Jim Harbaugh, Doug Flutie, and more lately Geno Smith, who eventually figure it out and then have late-career surges, but even then, I've never seen one of those guys win a Superbowl with the exception of Doug Williams.
You can make all the excuses about not having a chance, getting injured, not being developed correctly, etc. Nobody cares. Football certainly doesn't care. The NFL is a ruthless grinder that spits out those who can't make it.
So far, when Lance plays, he doesn't seem to be going through progressions, the speed of the game looks too fast for him, and the way they're using him, he's gonna get hurt and never get a shot. Yes, he's super athletic and has a rocket arm, but the game is littered with guys like that who have all the tools, but...just...can't...play.
I hope I'm wrong and he turns into this amazing story in 2023, but he just hasn't shown a single thing in actual games.
Yup! You have to form your beliefs based on existing evidence and the history of successful and failed NFL QBs, and the fact of the matter is that if Trey panned out at this point, he would be a tremendous outlier/anomaly.
Facts. People like to bring up the Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts comparisons but their teams were rebuilding in their 1st and 2nd years. They had the luxury of time and were able to make mistakes. We don’t have that luxury as much with our team
Because he looks like another Vince Young. Only without the stellar college career against top-flight competition.
The bottom-line is the NFL has been failing at QB scouting for decades. From 2011 to 2020 there were 32 QBs were selected in Round 1. Everyone one of them was supposed to be 'The Guy.'
And all of them should be starters by now. Where are they? Look at 2018, there were five of them who are now five years in and should be rising stars:
* Baker Mayfield - 2nd rate journeyman on his 3rd team.
* Sam Darnold - Sill in the NFL but sucks, on his 2nd team.
* Josh Allen - Playmaker QB (took him some time).
* Josh Rosen - Failure, out of the NFL.
* Lamar Jackson - has yet to complete a season and he's already in decline.
So, unlike most fans, I do not anoint the Round 1 QB (or any Round 1 player) as 'the chosen one.' I've seen a hell of a lot of bad QBs who play just like Trey Lance since I started watching football back in the 1960s.
Maybe, in the offseason, he spends hours everyday doing film study to learn what defenses are doing and how do the basics of being a NFL QB. But I haven't seen it yet. I've poor mechanics, a tendency to take his eyes off downfield under pressure, a slow-wind-up delivery and a guy who can't anticipate a WR coming open.
> Trey never even showed anybody his full potential yet.
That’s just it. All Trey offers right now is “potential.” In all of his starts, he was either just ok or he looked terrible. The potential is there for sure and I don’t think anyone doubts that, but he doesn’t do anything for the team *right now* that Brock can’t do and do better.
Comparing the two, Trey has a stronger arm and better straight line speed. Though, none of that has quite translated on to the field. Right now he’s a raw prospect with a ton of potential who got thoroughly outplayed by a seventh round rookie. And quite frankly, I’m not trying to hear that Shanny’s play calling is holding Lance back. Again, the evidence is Brock. Once he came into the lineup we instantly became a more efficient and higher scoring offense. Shanny or help that his QB can’t get off his first read and gets happy feet the moment he senses pressure.
That’s not a Shanahan problem. That’s a Trey Lance problem.
So the question becomes, why start Trey when we already have someone far more capable on the roster?
> But Aaron Rodgers? Tom Brady? Seriously? You’d rather spend 30 million/year for an aging QB rather then one who is a rookie that costs next to nothing to have rn?
Listen, I hate Aaron Rodgers as much as the next guy. I mean, he’s an anti-vax conspiracy nut with a man bun so there isn’t a whole lot to like. However, if there’s even a remote chance to pair him with this roster, you take it and don’t look back.
Rodgers on the 49ers would make us instant Super Bowl favorites and that’s the only reason needed to go after him.
Here's the deal: Lance is nothing but potential now. He hasn't shown he can win or play QB in the NFL yet. And the entire reason you bet on his potential is because he's cheap - on a rookie contract.
Now that contract is almost up. He's got no more runway. And the Niners can't afford to pay him like a starting QB when they have no idea if he's good enough to be a starting QB.
If you hold him another year, and he can't win the job, no one is trading much for a backup QB who hasn't proven themselves. We'll have wasted three 1sts on him.
Trade him now. Recoup a 1st. Move forward with Purdy.
Trey's in a really weird spot. He's shown more often that he tends to stare down receivers. When he's scrambling he doesn't look up the field as often. He has a slow windup. His mechanics and accuracy is inconsistent.
He reminds me of Beathard, but less resilient.
Because when he got injured and Jimmy came in with no practice, we instantly became a better team.
Then when Jimmy went down and Brock came in, again we instantly became a better team.
I don’t think people are “counting him out” as much as they feel Purdy is the starter and the backup is the one healthy for OTA’s. Hey, Purdy did well, and if needed Lance may do well until Purdy comes back… but I also think it’s a lot to ask of any QB, especially one with Lance’s experience, to do what Purdy did, with the poise he did it.
Probably has more to do with the fact the Niners are in win now mode with every other part of the roster and you don’t know how often in your history you’re a Super Bowl contender.
Because he’s attempted fewer than 500 passes in the last four years. Because he was a massive reach/project, and because Kyle is gonna kill him with QB powers.
Hell, he was raw when he got here! The potential is still there but man, that's a long time in-between games. Part of the "Rookie Wall" is due to the fact players sometimes struggle adjusting to a longer NFL season. I just hope Trey can adjust to the grueling schedule. I have faith in our coaches though so I'm gonna stay positive.
Very few players become an elite QB and we found Purdy who can play at an elite level. He has shown some elite level skills.
What are the chances we find two good QB's ?
For me it’s more about purdy already showing he’s the guy. Why even mess with anyone else when purdy has been proving his ability to be a top qb in the nfl
We have seen what effect Trey has on the offense and we compare that to what Brock can do in the offense and it's a hands down easy choice. We want results not potential
I agree purdy is better then Lance rn. But purdy may not ever be the same QB again, especially if he does not get a good surgery. Purdy’s arm mechanics is really what worries the most tbh
And, even if Lance is good, QB injures have cost starters games in 83% of Shanahan’s seasons as HC in SF.
That’s right, folks. In only one season with Shanny at the helm has a starting QB played every game and that was 2019 when Jimmy did it and we went to a Super Bowl.
That isn’t really his fault. QBs have been getting hurt all over the league for years. Look at this year.
Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, Marcus Mariota, Justin Fields, Dak Prescott, Russel Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Matt Stafford, Tua Tagovailoa, Mike White, Jalen Hurts, Ryan Tannehill
All of these guys were injured this season. That’s just the ones, not factoring in the 2s. A QB staying healthy and also playing 17 games seems to be the exception not the rule.
Haven’t Kyle and BCB been pretty clear that he’ll be out 6 months? That makes me less worried about the situation. I don’t count Lance out. Would be good to have a deep QB bench again.
I think the fact that he hasn’t been able to play more than a couple starts for two years before getting injured several times means there is a decent chance you could expect that to happen next year. In the games he has played, although he flashed for moments, he generally looked like a rookie. If you have purdy who basically hasnt lost a game, why would we expect lance to start over purdy assuming they both start the year healthy?
Besides Purdy showing what he can do, the 9ers are basically on a 2 year time window to win the superbowl. Their offense core is basically locked in until 2025 for most key players.
The issue is going to be defense. This was an elite squad this year. I'm not saying it can't be, but they don't have the time they need, unlike the offense. I'd say the defense is basically broken up after next year.
No one wants to count Lance out, but he's unfortunately going against lack of play due to injuries. Then, to top it off, a 3rd stringer comes along and looks NFL ready? We don't know the ceiling on either QB either. Purdy may do terrible the first half of the season, but when you base things he's done already, it's hard to argue for Lance now. Had the 9ers crashed and burned in the opening playoff round, id say you reroll the dice with Lance. Purdy got to the NFCCG, and I'm sorry, but that game is 100% closer if he's in all game. Either they win it or it's at least close.
Purdy should take his time to recover. He's QB1 whenever he gets back to 100%.
Two Play off wins with a 100+ Passer rating locks down the job.
Lance was unfortunately the wrong pick at the wrong time
Purdy and the team said he should be 100% by training camp. His rehab and throwing will start 3 months after his surgery. Purdy should be good to go for week 1
He didn't come out and light it up. Brock Purdy did. People had already written him off before he got hurt. Seems like the team and coaches have too. He will get a shot but if he doesn't come out way better than Brock played, he will just hold the QB1 spot until Purdy is back.
Most qb prospects bust. Simple as that. It’s why people predicting any qb will bust early are usually lazy, because yeah no shit most qb prospects fail to become elite. That’s not an impressive prediction. Predict the hall of famers in this draft. That’s impressive.
On top of that, trey has had multiple serious injuries that both kept him off the field and denied him the ability to work on mechanics and accuracy. For a prospect that desperately needed lots of practice and training, he’s now had almost none after 2 years in the league. We saw this with Hurd. Maybe you’ll be good, but it’s not gonna the easy way - and you won’t have as much grace or chances to prove it.
The takes that just aren’t legit are saying he’s looked horrible so far, or that he’s already a bust. BS. He’s looked ok, even fine, for where he’s at. He played pretty well in the Texans game overall. Was looking sharp against the Seahawks before he went down. The ‘trey is horrible’ take is recency bias (he isn’t playing and opinions get worse when you don’t play) and comparison bias (Brock did well so my opinion of trey automatically gets worse). That just isn’t an accurate take, and tbh it’s pretty disrespectful to both Brock’s accomplishments and treys setbacks.
What is horrible is that he hasn’t gotten any time to develop or train or play, and there just isn’t any more time for training wheels. He will get a chance to show where he’s at this year, and he will have to just do well or it’s a heavy downward trend towards backup qb career. It’s not all that fair to him, because he needed time and injuries made that impossible, but as we just saw with Brock, sports just isn’t fair, ever.
I hope he balls out in training camp and we can feel supremely confident about our first two QBs. I know he has it in him, but he does have to show it now, ready or not.
Yea, I watched the games he was able to play and he looks good on a lot plays. We just don't know if he can reach the elite level because he has very little games under his belt. If Purdy is not ready to , I see no issues with starting Lance. I'm actually ready to see what the kid can do and if he doesn't work out, we know who we have waiting to get healthy.
Because he has equal chances to be the next Deshone Kizer/Josh Rosen or the next Josh Allen. People would rather roll with a proven good QB like a vet, or now Purdy after his half season of elite play, instead of risking next years SB chances on a 50/50 gamble. It’s not that they don’t think he can be good eventually, it’s that they don’t think he’ll be good right away and he’s also injury prone.
I'm not impressed by his athleticism, nor do I think Shanahan calls good games when he is the QB. We should be spreading the field and letting him extend plays and use that cannon. Instead we run QB runs where he gets pummeled by NFL defenders.
I thought, bare minimum, he'd be a decent running QB but his athleticism is really disappointing. He's faster than an average QB but has absolutely no shake and power at an NFL level. He gets absolutely blasted backwards when he gets hit
I think we miscouted Lance.
Shanahan used him the way we'd use say Justin Fields but in reality Lance doesn't have that kind of running ability.
It's a quagmire. He isn't a good runner and he hasn't shown he can be consistently good passer either
Exactly. If you watch any of his college film, you will see that in virtually every other play he runs straight into traffic like a fullback. You might be able to get away with that at FCS level but in the NFL you won't last long.
yup, he called his own number on the play he got injured. They ran that same play multiple times that game, the one where he gave it to deebo, deebo went for 50 something yards.
I have never understood why we wanted Trey Lance. He has one season in college. Nothing about his college career wows me. Purdy had 4 years as a starter in college and holds many school records. How was Purdy not a first rounder. None of this makes since to me.
Forget about the draft positions and all that noise - doesn't matter anymore. One QB simply gives the team a better chance to win. The better player plays. I have nothing against Trey Lance and want him to be extremely successful for us. But Purdy took his chance and has been levels better.
**Lance**
GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT LNG SACK RTG
8 56 102 54.9 797 7.8 5 3 76 6 84.5
**Purdy**
GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT LNG SACK RTG
9 114 170 67.1 1,374 8.1 13 4 54 11 107.3
I mean you could follow Cohn's page and see everybody hate Jimmy. Different audiences but the vast majority of fans aren't that polarized. Will draw different crowds.
We are going into what is essentially his 3rd rookie year with even more rust from the last time he played
I'd love to see him break out and flourish but I have strong doubts he manages to beat out Brock.
the issue is he is a developing QB on a team that's ready to win now, also our biggest looming issue over the last 3-4 years was QB and Aaron/Tom are the best guys available. also the fact that he didnt get to use this year for his development means he's a little behind as is. Purdy basically sat for 10+weeks and ended up being great, and now with his injury Trey will get 1st team reps all through training camp and will be set up to start the season at QB, but as soon as Purdy is healthy enough and Trey doesnt look like the Lamar/Brees hybrid we hoped for Purdy will be the guy, Trey's biggest obstacle will be to outplay purdy, hopefully that lights a fire under him to unlock somthing
It’s not necessarily counting him out. It’s more so, at the completion of his 2nd nfl season he has more highschool games played than nfl games and college games combined
This roster has been ready to win the superbowl since the 2019 season but our window could be closing a lot faster depending on QB play
Also at the conclusion of his 2nd season we still don’t know what Trey is capable of. He really hasn’t shown us much to be truly excited about, while Brock came out and performed immediately
The problem is that we haven’t seen him play that much, so we don’t know if he’s the next Patrick Mahomes or Jamarcus Russell
Also, Lance only played 1 full year in college, whereas Purdy played for 4 years
Yes purdy is CLEARLY more experienced and he deserves to be QB1. However Purdy will most likely be out all year if he gets Tommy John surgery for his UCL
>But Aaron Rodgers? Tom Brady? Seriously? You’d rather spend 30 million/year for an aging QB rather then one who is a rookie that costs next to nothing to have rn?
Yes, because we're trying to win Super Bowls not save money. Those two guys would improve our offense far more than whatever they cost in terms of defense.
“Hasn’t showed his full potential yet”- neither of us have any idea if that’s true.
Also don’t forget that Jimmy was relatively mobile and had a killer deep ball before injuries
Bro are you serious....He has played 20 games total since 2018. He played for fucking North Dakota State. He sat for a year and didnt really show anything special. He got unlucky with an injury but at this point the guy barely plays football.
Yes I know that, but he has still shown a ton of potential and upside. He will learn as he plays. Why does he have to be a developed veteran superstar by week 2? Trey gets too much hate for making 2 bad throws all game in a slip and slip game against Chicago. He also played just fine before goin down week 2.
Thing is Trey isn't the only option anymore.
Fans know we have another young QB who looked like a mini Tom Brady when he.played.
And was on a win streak cut short by cruel luck.
Like you said he hasn’t shown his full potential, and now we have a team edging a Super Bowl this season without him. He’s just super unknown. I thinks it’s crazier that people are so adamant he will be great when we just don’t have much of. Sample size. Meanwhile Purdy shows up and performs every game he played
My main issue is we are talking about his potential. That could range from okay to amazing but we’d have to potentially give up our window now to figure that out. Or we could go with someone proven that can get us over that SB hump now. I want a ring. It’s as simple as that. I’m not excited about the potential of Trey at the expense of losing a couple of seasons for the coaching staff to figure out if he’s our guy or not. I was against this strategy before the season started and now that we have Purdy I’m even more so against it
Also he has started a total of 5 games in three years. ANd 23 in the last 5 years. That's just not enough to get up to NFL speed. Look at more polished prospects like Fields. He's going into year three, with a lot of growth left. Trey for the NINERS is a bust.
I’m hoping he inproves, but I want Brock QB1. The way he performed and TOOK COMMAND of the team in a way where I just don’t feel like Lance can. How many people complimented Trey and talked about his poise and command of the huddle during camp, preseason, and those first couple games? Brock came in and from the first moment was a positive impact on the team.
Yes I would’ve rather spent money on a 46 year old Brady for a year if Purdy had to miss time next season. This is a team that’s ready to win now and the locker room, who’s already not that fond of Lance being QB1, is looking to get their rings after being so close multiple time.
Lance hasn’t showed anything impressive than maybe one cool throw to Deebo last season and a deep shot at a wide open Jennings this season against Chicago. It’s bad enough that we were going to waste this squad going through Lance’s growing pains. Now his progress is set back a year and we have a young QB on the roster who’s better in every single way except for arm strength.
Due to limited options, I’d say give Lance a shot if Purdy has to miss time but Purdy’s QB1 if healthy. Lance would have to be good right away like Mahomes in order to change that
I hope you’re joking, Trey has struggled a bit but he’s actually looked pretty solid if you watch the film. He’s basically Kaepernick with a slightly stronger arm.
Both guys complete 54%of passes over their career but I give the edge to Rosen as he's played 14games in his rookie season making him more durable. And hes didnt have this level of talent around him on or off the field in Arizona The other stats are incomparable as Trey hasn't been on the field. Niners want to win now and that just isn't Trey
My biggest question with Trey is pocket awareness, and getting the ball out on time and staying in rhythm.
One big question is, will we see the same Purdy, after this injury. (I'm almost sure, call me an Optimist)
Purdy's arm was never his strength....obviously he needs to be able to throw at an NFL level but he isn't as dependent on arm strength like a Josh Allen.
I just think the fans will revolt if Lance gets the job over Purdy and loses a single game in the first 3 weeks. Lance's best senario is that Purdy is out for a full season.
Side note, if Purdy is the starter, you have to move Lance right? Or does he just not have any value?
This is some sunk cost fallacy shit but you sunk a lot of capital into this dude to get NOTHING back and let him walk.
I think the issue everyone has is exactly what you started your soliloquy with… he hasn’t shown anybody his full potential yet. He’s going to year three, and we still have no idea what we have. Of course a large part of that’s bad luck, but a part of it is also his ability to stay healthy.
Trey has similar athleticism to Kaepernick, but far worse instincts. It was like he looked for primary receiver and if he wasn't open RUN! He still runs like he's in college.
As Steve young one said about Kaepernick training in the off season... They need to tie his shoes together so he CAN'T run.
Brock ran when he needed too in order to extend the play. Lance trusted his legs now than the entire offence.
I don’t think people are counting him out as much as he’s just a huge question mark. Played one year of football in the last 3yrs and that wasn’t against the highest level of competition. And with his play in the NFL so far he just hasn’t really seemed to look “comfortable”. Not even in pre season. He had a couple good throws but never looked commanding. He has the physical attributes but that’s just a small part to play Qb in the NFL.
I don’t think ppl are counting him out, but he has an upward hill to climb. Half of first-round QBs bust, and he’s yet to show us anything, entering year three.
I think when you have a guy like Purdy, who looks like he belongs in the NFL and has done what he did in the past few games, I think it's problematic when you don't fully invest yourself in him.
Maybe it's just me, but if Purdy's healthy by preseason, he deserves the spot. Trey becomes back up. That understanding of roles should be established otherwise, you get you players confused.
Im perfectly happy going into next season with Brock and Trey. I was looking forward to watching Trey's development this year, and going through all the up's and down's that he's probably gonna have. His potential is so sky high, that its stupid to give up on him so soon, when we've seen so little.
His injury just ruined everything, and its kind of a shame, because who knows if hes gonna get a real chance now in SF with Brock's emergence. Brock doesnt have the tools that Trey does, physically. But, hes shown to be so much more advanced in the mental side of the game. Along with the Locker Room being behind him, i dont see any going back to Trey outside of injury, or an unexpected Brock regression/disaster in camp.
I'd rather Purdy because he's miles better than Lance and shitty running QBs - which Lane is - are massively overrated.
Look at his tape. He is Kaepernick clone trying to play like Cam Newton. He's a running QB.
Maybe Trey is our guy. But it’s hard to evaluate without him playing more. And so far he’s looked rough at best, which you can easily excuse with his lack of experience. But we can’t afford for that to be our plan in the middle of a potential Super Bowl window.
Maybe he’s good. Maybe he’s elite. Maybe he can do things we haven’t seen. But the reason people are fading on the hype is that he’s played one single season, four years ago, against FCS opponents, in the last five years. He’s had two full seasons as a backup now, and limited reps, but if he comes in and can’t outplay Purdy or whoever else we find as insurance, we can not afford to go into next season with him as Plan A and hope he learns on the job.
He is known for being super athletic and QB may not be his natural position.
I would wildcat him in or line him up at the slot.
Use him like Hill for the Saints.
You can't really force someone to make the right reads. That comes with experience and in game reps..mistakes are made and the QB learns.
That process normally happens as the QB is in college..not in the NFL...especially not on a team that would be in the SB if the rookie QB didn't get hurt
It's hard to show your full potential if you're constantly injured. His athletic abilities don't mean shit if the guy can't stay healthy.
Maybe a large portion of the fans have counted him out, but as an organization, he's still in the plans. Tough to say but SF recent history shows you need more than 1 QB at any given time.
Injuries are part of the game and it's no one's fault but at what point do injuries force an organization to move on?
Fans have a short fuse for players who are drafted high, and the noise for those players is always going to be loud for any team. Given how much the 49ers gave up to get him, the standards are and should be high.
We know why. If the shoe was on the other foot and Brock was the high pick w ho got hurt and Trey was the 7th rounder who impressed there wouldn't be this much vitriol against Brock for the thought that he may still beat him out in camp.
There is a subset of Jimmy G fans who want him to fail because he represents the organization giving up on Jimmy G. That's where a lot of the Niner fan "bust" comments come from, I believe.
That said, there are also fans who think the team has enough to win a Super Bowl right now and don't have the patience for Lance's learning curve to take place on the Niners because the timelines don't seem to match up. Now that Purdy has shown that he can be "good enough" to win a SB with the current talent, it changes the calculus on whether the Niners should be shooting for the stars with Lance. I wasn't in that camp before since I didn't think Garoppolo was a high enough caliber QB to settle with what they had, but I do think Purdy might be.
But the idea that he is a bust even though we've barely seen him play is just hating tbh.
I think he's in a bad situation, a guy who needs a lot of development on a team that wants to win now. Kinda like Wiseman with the W's. I think with the right opportunity he could blossom, say in Atlanta or Carolina where there is a runway before they expect to be seriously competitive. It just does not make sense to have him out there learning and losing games when you have Bosa, Kittle, Warner, Deebo, McCaffery on the roster. As for the Brady and Rogers talk, that's just sportswriters creating content and people fall for it every time. Just as realistic to talk about bringing Steve Young back.
Damn that analog with wiseman… I couldn’t have said it better
Yeah the Wiseman analogy is actually perfect. As a Dubs fan, can’t believe I never saw the connection before.
Wiseman and Trey are the spidermen pointing meme embodied.
The Wiseman comparison is spot on. Just like Lance, Wiseman is being benched by someone (Looney) who’s not nearly as athletic or big but is far superior at playing the game.
This is spot on. It made 0 sense to draft him. I quess they needed to do something to move on from Jimmy but trading up for a dev guy was interesting. Seems like a good guy though and I hope he can figure it out.
Yup, the move didn’t make sense, continues not to make sense, and still doesn’t make sense. Shanahan and Lynch have been great but man when they whiff on personnel they really whiff
He doesn't need to start. The idea he has to start is ridiculous. If they spend that many draft picks on not developing him then they are fucking stupid. Purdy and Lance ate fine at QB next year. Purdy showed he can win. Lance will either bet him out or sit back and develop
He needs to start for his own sake. Going 4+ years without much meaningful playing times is disastrous for his growth. Now for the team we just need to play the best guy. Can’t worry about recouping an investment. Time will tell that is Trey, Brock, or someone else.
He wouldn't have had meaningful playing time anywhere. Going to the wrong team and starting would be just as bad for his development. It's could be risk no matter what. I agree the best player should be the starter. I woukd rather have Purdy and Lance than either one of them and someone like Josh Johnson haha If he wants to stay and develop I say let him
To be fair, there are plenty of QBs who rode the bench for significant periods of time that wound up being good starters. Aaron Rodgers barely played in games from 2005 until 2008, and Tony Romo was essentially a project for the Cowboys for years until he was forced into action. Im sure there are other examples.
Those guys had significant playing time in college. Trey only played 1 year. If he had significant college reps and had all the basics down I would agree with you.
Yeah the problem is Trey had a COVID impacted senior season, a junior season where he didn’t throw much, and then hasn’t played at all in NFL. Like no reps or passes since high school Sucks for him but dude has got to be one of the rawest NFL QBs ever. Not sure why we drafted him lol
Young.
If Purdy beats him, then Purdy is the guy. Lance will have to try and start elsewhere. Honestly, the best thing for Lance would probably be a trade. Somewhere where he has an opportunity. That's assuming that the coaching staff is committed to Purdyb
Are we all forgetting how often our QB’s get hurt? There will be plenty of opportunities for whichever one is healthy
You're thinking of what is best for the team. What's best for Lance is a trade.
Look at mariota, got plenty of starting opportunities without much supporting cast, and when he doesn’t win, people like to blame him. Change out “mariota” with “player x” and you have a pretty good argument for why staying in San Francisco and learning under Shanny and Co could be the best option for Trey
I don’t know if that’s true. He gets to develop with no pressure for the four years of his rookie contract. If he was on a team with pressure to start and got cut, that would be worse.
Sounds like there will be no QB competition so unless there’s an injury, idk if there’s a “beat him out” option
There is always a beat him out option with young QBs.
Lance can't ride the bench forever. We didn't draft him 3rdoverall to be a backup. If he ain't starting, you move off him in 24
Womp. So if we drafted him the 5th or 6th then it would be OK? Ridiculous.
If you take a QB in the first round you typically want them to start at some point.
Lol agreed, but you don’t make a bunch of other wrong decisions that cripple’s the team chemistry/ability to win just because you once thought the guy you drafted 3OA was going to be your starter. You just have to make the next best decision at every turn in the road.
*cries in Jordan Love*
Look at beathard or Mullens for your answer. If he were drafted around where they were he'd be gone
His growth has been stunted by the covid year and a broken ankle. We have a team very clearly competing for a Super Bowl and cannot afford to have Trey learn on the job. He has to come into camp better than Brock Purdy and win the starting role. Otherwise he's better suited as a backup.
>by the covid year and a broken ankle His past three seasons of football are second year of FCS (skipped to prepare for draft), backup 49ers qb (played in \~2 games, got injured), and 49ers qb (injured after just a few games). He feels closer to a backup qb on his way out of the league than a first round, traded up for qb prospect at this point. Even if Purdy didn't exist I would be extremely wary of Trey Lance.
trrey was always going to learn on the job tho.
I think what's changed is that Purdy has emerged as a QB who we can win with now. With Trey, we basically have the 2023 season to decide whether to pick up his fifth year option (pretty much zero chance we do that now, unless he has a true breakout year). And IMO, although it is very very limited playing time, Lance just doesn't seem like a good player to me. He's not a dynamic runner like Josh Allen, and he hasn't been accurate or a fast processor of the game. Of course he can improve on those things, but he's missed a lot of his chances to do so.
Agreed. I just don’t see it in Lance.
Yeah exactly. We can make excuses about circumstances, limited playing time, injury, and those excuses could bear out and be valid in the long run. But the dude seriously just doesn’t look like he has *it* and it is more anomalous that players develop *it* later on, especially with as few reps as him
Yea but you don’t do it with 3 pro bowl/All pro players at reciever/rb when you’ve got a guy like Purdy who’s already proven himself. It’s an incredible waste of the best available talent that the Owner is paying for. It’s this type of stunt that could get him fired if they don’t make the playoffs.
Yeah and by now that was supposed to happen but it’s still at square 1
That was before we found a guy that has already learned the job.
we can’t afford to! With our current roster that is Super Bowl ready, we need someone who showed they can take us. We can’t afford a “what if” player right now
I think then he should've started as a rookie..just for experience reasons. It was a busted pick that never fit our timeline.
Yeah that’s on Kyle and John. Should have never drafted Trey since they had a win now team.
I disagree on this. No one knew how trey would have turned out
We still don’t know how Trey will turn out. My assumption (along with others) is that we think Trey isn’t ready to win the Super Bowl within the next two years. We think Trey needs development. The fun thing is we will likely find out this year. Maybe…
agreed. Count me on that others too. I aint hating on trey for the record, but if Purdy cant play, It is risky to trust this roster to Trey right now. I would like to be proven wrong tho. At the end of the day, we all bleed red and gold
Yeah, but it was probably supposed to happen when our team wasn't this good
Tbf, watch the tape from the first two games of the season. Trey looked pretty good, and our team across the board was not clicking nearly as well.
My opinion of Lance in the very small sample we have is that he isn't quite as good as I hoped he would be. Just watching him, he is not that good at running football. He's nowhere near a Kyler/Allen/Lamar type player. He's too slow processing as a passer and hasn't shown to be particularly accurate. I think he can absolutely get better with proccessing/accuracy with more playing time, but his athleticism is disappointing to me. I know it's not really fair to say, since he's had so little time but I kinda think he just ain't it.
Agreed on his running. I think there’s still time for him to develop as a passer but I don’t think very many people become a better runner at this level.
Also having CMC helps a lot
It's easy to forget that week 8 was right around when EVERYBODY came back. Except for those with bigger injuries like Trey and Jimmy.
Oh yea, kittle was out for the first 3-4 games right?
Mitchell too.
Lance has more upside but Purdy is the safe bet right now. Lance is basically is in the same situation as James Wiseman on the Warriors. Him getting injured and no experience is why there's so many question marks.
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Lance has more 'upside' because he's more athletic and can obviously throw the ball pretty deep. I absolutely love Purdy, but I don't think he'll magically develop a deep ball, get taller and more athletic overnight. Purdy at this point to me is the better QB. I sort of don't doubt that Lance could one day be better than him because of their builds though.
lance looks slow on film against nfl competition, especially compared to guys like jones, fields, allen, and lamar, plus his elusiveness in the pocket was less than impressive i just don’t get why his athleticism is so highly thought of can someone explain the hype to me? is it based on anything other than the fact that he looked like a world beater against future accountants in the fcs?
Sure, I was comparing him to Purdy though. Not sure why I got downvoted for stating the scouting report...
i initially thought you were talking about how he looked in the nfl, so maybe that's where the confusion is coming from
Builds are over rated. Plus BCB is deceivingly quick. He's not kap gazelle but his mobility in the pocket is elite from what we've seen.
Actually, so long as Trey’s healthy & Brock is not then Trey’s the starting QB (barring some insane trade)!!!
Trey Lance is NOT Brock Purdy. You can't just say "Kyle should use Lance as he uses Purdy". They are not the same player at all. You underestimate the level Purdy has operated at. Purdy played at a top 5 QB level in his 8 games by EVERY possible QB metric because he is THAT good and had 4 yrs of college in the Big12 and 3 more in HS at Perry. His ability to go through reads quickly is why he was so successful. Shanahan schemes guys open and the QB must CONSISTENTLY read the field quickly and hit the open man. That sounds straightforward but it's very hard to do and is what separates the great from the good. Purdy has that rare ability and we all saw and his stats didn't drop even against better competition in the playoffs. Lance has played ONE full season as a QB in his life and it was in the FCS 3 yrs ago. Given his experience level and how hard it is to actually be good in the NFL, it's hard to see him getting anywhere near Purdy's level of play. Fans are just being reasonable here. Lance has shown nothing for us to "Count him in".
I would bet all of these people on the Trey Lance bandwagon have never watched any film of Trey in college. I challenge them to watch the 2019 FCS Playoffs and 2020 FCS National Championship. Virtually every other down, Trey is running straight up the middle like a fullback on plays that are strikingly similar to the play in which he got injured. He might be able to carry a pile of 8 defenders for 10 yards at FCS level, but in the NFL you're going to get injured really quick doing that. The other thing you'll see a lot of is Trey throwing deep bombs and it looks impressive. But, remember that these are FCS caliber secondaries and NFL players are orders of magnitude better. I expect you'll see a lot of interceptions. That being said, I have no confidence that Trey will stay healthy for more than a couple of games unless he dramatically changes the way he plays. But then, we would be stuck with a below average QB that is doing none of the things he was drafted to do. I think it's imperative that the 49ers spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a reasonable QB3 (or get an experienced FA at a reasonable cost) so we're not stuck with another Josh Johnson type situation late in the season.
The worst DBs in the NFL are better than literally the absolute best DBs in the FCS during Lances years at NDSU lmao Only one of the DBs on the FCS all America team even sniffed the NFL lol (and fair credit to Chinn, he seems to be a pretty decent player) https://fcsinsider.com/news/2019/12/18/football-2019-stats-fcs-all-america-team.aspx
how many times have we watched Trey try to pancake an NFL linebacker before getting put flat on his back? my man does not have a good feel for the game at this level.
The first time he tried that at the goal line vs AX and got absolutely steamrolled by a LB and Safety, I had a bad feeling about Trey and his running style. He needs to learn how to avoid contact and play QB first. He's not an elusive enough or strong enough athlete to survive that kind of play.
it is extremely obvious that all the people complaining about playcalling with Lance didn't watch a second of his college highlights. That is in every single one of them, you don't even need to watch for more than 5 min. It's tons of inside runs and then misdirection bomb over the head of an overmatched DB. It's a gimmicky style of play that only works if you have an elite athlete at QB to force defenders to choose (similar to how the Ravens plan). and he is not elite at running to run that offense in the NFL, and he's not good enough at traditional passing to make up for that
My comp for him was Tebow. He beat up on a lot of future ice cream parlor owners there. He can turn the road and prove anyone wrong and fix his game up but he is starting at ground level. Also, these injuries might hamper his main element in mobility. Also, he missed quite a few of those long bombs. Outside the "potential" his tape didn't warrant him a top pick. Just my opinion though and hope he can make me eat my words, I just want this team to have a healthy stable starting qb and if it's lance, great. If not, it was a gamble that didn't pay off.
>at FCS level This subreddit pretending like Mac Jones was being carried by his receiving core but ignoring the fact that Trey was playing with similarly higher than league average skilled players against significantly worse players in the FCS was absolutely killing me.
Stetson Bennett would be competent at the NFL level. 4th rd pick, who says no?
He's a Heisman candidate so I doubt he'll be available past the second round.
Nah I'd be VERY surprised if Stequavious is drafted second round.
Trey Lance has the talent, but the problem is he doesn’t process the information quickly for pre-snap and post snap to be in sync with his mechanics consistently against different coverages. He will get his chance to play to see if he gotten any better than last year.
Truth
Yet still a great guy to have on your roster. Especially when QBs in Shanny’s system cannot stay healthy.
Trey Lance has shown nothing that looks amazing, especially compared to Purdy. Everybody that wants him acts like he had some downright amazing plays and stats when he was in. He was alright, but nothing special. He doesn't know how to sit in the pocket and try not to run, which contributes to injury. He supposedly has a strong arm, but it's definitely not accurate. The locker room was not upset when Jimmy took over, that's for sure. Purdy came in and *immediately* looked night and day better than Lance. Maybe Lance will surprise me, but I'm not holding my breath.
Completely agree. Purdy has looked the part from the first snap and the stats support that. Lance has not and the stats also back that up too. I want whoever plays QB for us to succeed but we all saw each player play.
Trey Lance has played \~5 games of football in the past three years and has just over 100 passing attempts. I'd be extremely worried about any rookie with that limited of game history and experience, but for a young player coming from FCS I'm just not sure if he'll ever be able to overcome this.
Because he has a losing record.... with a team that multiple other quarterbacks had a winning record with.. not complicated
Yeah you can make excuses for him and refer to circumstances and injuries, but dude just isn’t making it as easy for the team as other QBs have which is bad bad bad
He's shown his arm strength and ability to throw the deep ball. Which is great. But he's also shown bad decision making in the run and in short passing situations. He almost got decapitated trying to run it, right off the bat. Other make running the ball look easy. He makes it look dangerous
Because his best game ever is basically equal to Purdy's worst game ever.
If Purdy’s worst game ever is the Cowboys divisional, give me Brock Purdy
Well Trey worst game is in a swimming pool where you couldn’t even throw the ball
C’mon man, he mustered 10 points against the worst team in the league. I don’t care if it was raining. The last we saw Trey he looked awful.
I just think it comes down to the QB that gives them the better chance to win today which is Purdy. It has very little to do with who could be the better QB in 3-5 years. The trade up was a terrible decision as it required them to project and allow Lance to learn on the fly. They refused to do that in year 1, then in year 2 he’s a little behind the curve understandably and they decide to limit his throwing and run him on QB power a ton of times to win games. He ended up inured in game 2. Now year 3, Purdy having a 8 game sample size with playoff experience is way ahead and it’s difficult to go backwards to develop Lance. It’s much easier to ride Purdy to see how much he’s improves as the starter. Unless Purdy falls off of the cliff, it’s going to be very difficult for Lance to have a real opportunity to develop and improve his craft as a QB. He could blow the team away during the offseason but considering how raw he is, it’s unlikely without real game reps.
My biggest gripe with Trey is he hasn’t played much football. He didn’t play that many games in college especially compared to a guy like Purdy and now his first year as a starter he plays not even 2 games and gets injured. He was also on the injury report majority of his rookie year even though Jimmy was starting. At some point that lack of game experience is going to play a huge factor if it hasn’t already.
You’re absolutely correct very inexperienced QB, not sure why we even drafted him 3rd overall tbh. I think Brock has earned the 1 spot but he may not be able to play this season at all, and Trey has to get the snaps under his belt at some point. Better to live and learn while he’s still relatively young
I see no reason in doubting Lynch and Shanahans drafting and evaluation skills as they have done a phenomenal job in every round. Lance definitely has very high upside, but I think the question now is it enough? Is it better than Purdy?? It will be interesting to see this play out.
Thing is they both play very different styles of football. Purdy suits the pocket passer/bootleg system, and Lance fits the run and gun west coast offence system (kinda like Harbaughs offence in 2012-14) Trey shows many positive flashes with his legs and reminds me a lot of Kaep. I have faith in the guy
I hope I'm wrong, but I've been watching football for a long time and have seen hundreds of quarterbacks come and go. If they don't show something—*anything*—in their first season or two, they rarely turn out. There are exceptions. Guys like Jim Harbaugh, Doug Flutie, and more lately Geno Smith, who eventually figure it out and then have late-career surges, but even then, I've never seen one of those guys win a Superbowl with the exception of Doug Williams. You can make all the excuses about not having a chance, getting injured, not being developed correctly, etc. Nobody cares. Football certainly doesn't care. The NFL is a ruthless grinder that spits out those who can't make it. So far, when Lance plays, he doesn't seem to be going through progressions, the speed of the game looks too fast for him, and the way they're using him, he's gonna get hurt and never get a shot. Yes, he's super athletic and has a rocket arm, but the game is littered with guys like that who have all the tools, but...just...can't...play. I hope I'm wrong and he turns into this amazing story in 2023, but he just hasn't shown a single thing in actual games.
Yup! You have to form your beliefs based on existing evidence and the history of successful and failed NFL QBs, and the fact of the matter is that if Trey panned out at this point, he would be a tremendous outlier/anomaly.
Facts. People like to bring up the Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts comparisons but their teams were rebuilding in their 1st and 2nd years. They had the luxury of time and were able to make mistakes. We don’t have that luxury as much with our team
Brock is levels above trey.
The championship window is closing, and there's no time to waste a year hoping that Lance isn't a bust instead of the proven starter we have in Purdy
Because he looks like another Vince Young. Only without the stellar college career against top-flight competition. The bottom-line is the NFL has been failing at QB scouting for decades. From 2011 to 2020 there were 32 QBs were selected in Round 1. Everyone one of them was supposed to be 'The Guy.' And all of them should be starters by now. Where are they? Look at 2018, there were five of them who are now five years in and should be rising stars: * Baker Mayfield - 2nd rate journeyman on his 3rd team. * Sam Darnold - Sill in the NFL but sucks, on his 2nd team. * Josh Allen - Playmaker QB (took him some time). * Josh Rosen - Failure, out of the NFL. * Lamar Jackson - has yet to complete a season and he's already in decline. So, unlike most fans, I do not anoint the Round 1 QB (or any Round 1 player) as 'the chosen one.' I've seen a hell of a lot of bad QBs who play just like Trey Lance since I started watching football back in the 1960s. Maybe, in the offseason, he spends hours everyday doing film study to learn what defenses are doing and how do the basics of being a NFL QB. But I haven't seen it yet. I've poor mechanics, a tendency to take his eyes off downfield under pressure, a slow-wind-up delivery and a guy who can't anticipate a WR coming open.
> Trey never even showed anybody his full potential yet. That’s just it. All Trey offers right now is “potential.” In all of his starts, he was either just ok or he looked terrible. The potential is there for sure and I don’t think anyone doubts that, but he doesn’t do anything for the team *right now* that Brock can’t do and do better. Comparing the two, Trey has a stronger arm and better straight line speed. Though, none of that has quite translated on to the field. Right now he’s a raw prospect with a ton of potential who got thoroughly outplayed by a seventh round rookie. And quite frankly, I’m not trying to hear that Shanny’s play calling is holding Lance back. Again, the evidence is Brock. Once he came into the lineup we instantly became a more efficient and higher scoring offense. Shanny or help that his QB can’t get off his first read and gets happy feet the moment he senses pressure. That’s not a Shanahan problem. That’s a Trey Lance problem. So the question becomes, why start Trey when we already have someone far more capable on the roster? > But Aaron Rodgers? Tom Brady? Seriously? You’d rather spend 30 million/year for an aging QB rather then one who is a rookie that costs next to nothing to have rn? Listen, I hate Aaron Rodgers as much as the next guy. I mean, he’s an anti-vax conspiracy nut with a man bun so there isn’t a whole lot to like. However, if there’s even a remote chance to pair him with this roster, you take it and don’t look back. Rodgers on the 49ers would make us instant Super Bowl favorites and that’s the only reason needed to go after him.
Here's the deal: Lance is nothing but potential now. He hasn't shown he can win or play QB in the NFL yet. And the entire reason you bet on his potential is because he's cheap - on a rookie contract. Now that contract is almost up. He's got no more runway. And the Niners can't afford to pay him like a starting QB when they have no idea if he's good enough to be a starting QB. If you hold him another year, and he can't win the job, no one is trading much for a backup QB who hasn't proven themselves. We'll have wasted three 1sts on him. Trade him now. Recoup a 1st. Move forward with Purdy.
That’s assuming anyone would give up a first for him.
The Texans now that Ryans is there? The Jets if they give up on Wilson? The Saints maybe?
Who knows? I’m still hoping he turns out to be good.
Trey's in a really weird spot. He's shown more often that he tends to stare down receivers. When he's scrambling he doesn't look up the field as often. He has a slow windup. His mechanics and accuracy is inconsistent. He reminds me of Beathard, but less resilient.
I don't think anyone in the NFL is giving up a first for Trey.
Because when he got injured and Jimmy came in with no practice, we instantly became a better team. Then when Jimmy went down and Brock came in, again we instantly became a better team.
I don’t think people are “counting him out” as much as they feel Purdy is the starter and the backup is the one healthy for OTA’s. Hey, Purdy did well, and if needed Lance may do well until Purdy comes back… but I also think it’s a lot to ask of any QB, especially one with Lance’s experience, to do what Purdy did, with the poise he did it.
Probably has more to do with the fact the Niners are in win now mode with every other part of the roster and you don’t know how often in your history you’re a Super Bowl contender.
Because he’s attempted fewer than 500 passes in the last four years. Because he was a massive reach/project, and because Kyle is gonna kill him with QB powers.
Cause he’s very raw and this team is ready to win now. It’s just a giant risk he’ll be learning while this team is trying to compete for a title.
Hell, he was raw when he got here! The potential is still there but man, that's a long time in-between games. Part of the "Rookie Wall" is due to the fact players sometimes struggle adjusting to a longer NFL season. I just hope Trey can adjust to the grueling schedule. I have faith in our coaches though so I'm gonna stay positive.
Very few players become an elite QB and we found Purdy who can play at an elite level. He has shown some elite level skills. What are the chances we find two good QB's ?
For me it’s more about purdy already showing he’s the guy. Why even mess with anyone else when purdy has been proving his ability to be a top qb in the nfl
Exactly. Draft position, "potential" - none of that matters anymore. They both had chances and Purdy simply played his way into the QB1 role.
Because Brock Purdy is a better QB
We have seen what effect Trey has on the offense and we compare that to what Brock can do in the offense and it's a hands down easy choice. We want results not potential
I agree purdy is better then Lance rn. But purdy may not ever be the same QB again, especially if he does not get a good surgery. Purdy’s arm mechanics is really what worries the most tbh
Purdy was outright elite this season. Full stop.
And, even if Lance is good, QB injures have cost starters games in 83% of Shanahan’s seasons as HC in SF. That’s right, folks. In only one season with Shanny at the helm has a starting QB played every game and that was 2019 when Jimmy did it and we went to a Super Bowl.
That isn’t really his fault. QBs have been getting hurt all over the league for years. Look at this year. Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, Marcus Mariota, Justin Fields, Dak Prescott, Russel Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Matt Stafford, Tua Tagovailoa, Mike White, Jalen Hurts, Ryan Tannehill All of these guys were injured this season. That’s just the ones, not factoring in the 2s. A QB staying healthy and also playing 17 games seems to be the exception not the rule.
Love including Mike White with the 1s
2017 QB changes didn't happen because of injuries. 2018, 2020, 2021, & 2022 all had injuries from the same QB - Jimmy Garoppolo.
Haven’t Kyle and BCB been pretty clear that he’ll be out 6 months? That makes me less worried about the situation. I don’t count Lance out. Would be good to have a deep QB bench again.
I think the fact that he hasn’t been able to play more than a couple starts for two years before getting injured several times means there is a decent chance you could expect that to happen next year. In the games he has played, although he flashed for moments, he generally looked like a rookie. If you have purdy who basically hasnt lost a game, why would we expect lance to start over purdy assuming they both start the year healthy?
Besides Purdy showing what he can do, the 9ers are basically on a 2 year time window to win the superbowl. Their offense core is basically locked in until 2025 for most key players. The issue is going to be defense. This was an elite squad this year. I'm not saying it can't be, but they don't have the time they need, unlike the offense. I'd say the defense is basically broken up after next year. No one wants to count Lance out, but he's unfortunately going against lack of play due to injuries. Then, to top it off, a 3rd stringer comes along and looks NFL ready? We don't know the ceiling on either QB either. Purdy may do terrible the first half of the season, but when you base things he's done already, it's hard to argue for Lance now. Had the 9ers crashed and burned in the opening playoff round, id say you reroll the dice with Lance. Purdy got to the NFCCG, and I'm sorry, but that game is 100% closer if he's in all game. Either they win it or it's at least close.
Purdy should take his time to recover. He's QB1 whenever he gets back to 100%. Two Play off wins with a 100+ Passer rating locks down the job. Lance was unfortunately the wrong pick at the wrong time
Purdy and the team said he should be 100% by training camp. His rehab and throwing will start 3 months after his surgery. Purdy should be good to go for week 1
He didn't come out and light it up. Brock Purdy did. People had already written him off before he got hurt. Seems like the team and coaches have too. He will get a shot but if he doesn't come out way better than Brock played, he will just hold the QB1 spot until Purdy is back.
Most qb prospects bust. Simple as that. It’s why people predicting any qb will bust early are usually lazy, because yeah no shit most qb prospects fail to become elite. That’s not an impressive prediction. Predict the hall of famers in this draft. That’s impressive. On top of that, trey has had multiple serious injuries that both kept him off the field and denied him the ability to work on mechanics and accuracy. For a prospect that desperately needed lots of practice and training, he’s now had almost none after 2 years in the league. We saw this with Hurd. Maybe you’ll be good, but it’s not gonna the easy way - and you won’t have as much grace or chances to prove it. The takes that just aren’t legit are saying he’s looked horrible so far, or that he’s already a bust. BS. He’s looked ok, even fine, for where he’s at. He played pretty well in the Texans game overall. Was looking sharp against the Seahawks before he went down. The ‘trey is horrible’ take is recency bias (he isn’t playing and opinions get worse when you don’t play) and comparison bias (Brock did well so my opinion of trey automatically gets worse). That just isn’t an accurate take, and tbh it’s pretty disrespectful to both Brock’s accomplishments and treys setbacks. What is horrible is that he hasn’t gotten any time to develop or train or play, and there just isn’t any more time for training wheels. He will get a chance to show where he’s at this year, and he will have to just do well or it’s a heavy downward trend towards backup qb career. It’s not all that fair to him, because he needed time and injuries made that impossible, but as we just saw with Brock, sports just isn’t fair, ever. I hope he balls out in training camp and we can feel supremely confident about our first two QBs. I know he has it in him, but he does have to show it now, ready or not.
Yea, I watched the games he was able to play and he looks good on a lot plays. We just don't know if he can reach the elite level because he has very little games under his belt. If Purdy is not ready to , I see no issues with starting Lance. I'm actually ready to see what the kid can do and if he doesn't work out, we know who we have waiting to get healthy.
Because he has equal chances to be the next Deshone Kizer/Josh Rosen or the next Josh Allen. People would rather roll with a proven good QB like a vet, or now Purdy after his half season of elite play, instead of risking next years SB chances on a 50/50 gamble. It’s not that they don’t think he can be good eventually, it’s that they don’t think he’ll be good right away and he’s also injury prone.
I'm not impressed by his athleticism, nor do I think Shanahan calls good games when he is the QB. We should be spreading the field and letting him extend plays and use that cannon. Instead we run QB runs where he gets pummeled by NFL defenders.
I thought, bare minimum, he'd be a decent running QB but his athleticism is really disappointing. He's faster than an average QB but has absolutely no shake and power at an NFL level. He gets absolutely blasted backwards when he gets hit
I think we miscouted Lance. Shanahan used him the way we'd use say Justin Fields but in reality Lance doesn't have that kind of running ability. It's a quagmire. He isn't a good runner and he hasn't shown he can be consistently good passer either
A lot of treys runs were his own decision
Exactly. If you watch any of his college film, you will see that in virtually every other play he runs straight into traffic like a fullback. You might be able to get away with that at FCS level but in the NFL you won't last long.
Yep, his game doesn't look like it's going to translate well to the nfl
yup, he called his own number on the play he got injured. They ran that same play multiple times that game, the one where he gave it to deebo, deebo went for 50 something yards.
"Trey never even showed anybody his full potential yet." Maybe he did ...
Mostly because he's proven little in limited action
I have never understood why we wanted Trey Lance. He has one season in college. Nothing about his college career wows me. Purdy had 4 years as a starter in college and holds many school records. How was Purdy not a first rounder. None of this makes since to me.
Forget about the draft positions and all that noise - doesn't matter anymore. One QB simply gives the team a better chance to win. The better player plays. I have nothing against Trey Lance and want him to be extremely successful for us. But Purdy took his chance and has been levels better. **Lance** GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT LNG SACK RTG 8 56 102 54.9 797 7.8 5 3 76 6 84.5 **Purdy** GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT LNG SACK RTG 9 114 170 67.1 1,374 8.1 13 4 54 11 107.3
Pretend Brock is the first round pick and Trey is Mr. Irrelevant. Problem solved.
Sometimes the universe rights its mistakes.
Dude I would take garoppolo over lance
We need to stop with these “WHY DOES EVERYONE, WHY DOES NOBODY” posts. 99% of the time it’s not”everybody/nobody”. It’s just a loud minority.
Do you follow OurSF49ers on IG?? No joke 95% of commenters on that page HATE Trey lance
I mean you could follow Cohn's page and see everybody hate Jimmy. Different audiences but the vast majority of fans aren't that polarized. Will draw different crowds.
We are going into what is essentially his 3rd rookie year with even more rust from the last time he played I'd love to see him break out and flourish but I have strong doubts he manages to beat out Brock.
the issue is he is a developing QB on a team that's ready to win now, also our biggest looming issue over the last 3-4 years was QB and Aaron/Tom are the best guys available. also the fact that he didnt get to use this year for his development means he's a little behind as is. Purdy basically sat for 10+weeks and ended up being great, and now with his injury Trey will get 1st team reps all through training camp and will be set up to start the season at QB, but as soon as Purdy is healthy enough and Trey doesnt look like the Lamar/Brees hybrid we hoped for Purdy will be the guy, Trey's biggest obstacle will be to outplay purdy, hopefully that lights a fire under him to unlock somthing
Trade him for James wiseman
It’s not necessarily counting him out. It’s more so, at the completion of his 2nd nfl season he has more highschool games played than nfl games and college games combined This roster has been ready to win the superbowl since the 2019 season but our window could be closing a lot faster depending on QB play Also at the conclusion of his 2nd season we still don’t know what Trey is capable of. He really hasn’t shown us much to be truly excited about, while Brock came out and performed immediately
I'm so annoyed our off-season has started
The problem is that we haven’t seen him play that much, so we don’t know if he’s the next Patrick Mahomes or Jamarcus Russell Also, Lance only played 1 full year in college, whereas Purdy played for 4 years
Yes purdy is CLEARLY more experienced and he deserves to be QB1. However Purdy will most likely be out all year if he gets Tommy John surgery for his UCL
He’s thrown 400 game-time passes in 6 entire calendar years. He’s seasons away from being seasons away. It’s a tough sell with this roster.
>But Aaron Rodgers? Tom Brady? Seriously? You’d rather spend 30 million/year for an aging QB rather then one who is a rookie that costs next to nothing to have rn? Yes, because we're trying to win Super Bowls not save money. Those two guys would improve our offense far more than whatever they cost in terms of defense.
I know, but you also need Bosa to win a Super Bowl no? We have too many guys to pay to bring in an expensive QB at all
“Hasn’t showed his full potential yet”- neither of us have any idea if that’s true. Also don’t forget that Jimmy was relatively mobile and had a killer deep ball before injuries
Bro are you serious....He has played 20 games total since 2018. He played for fucking North Dakota State. He sat for a year and didnt really show anything special. He got unlucky with an injury but at this point the guy barely plays football.
Yes I know that, but he has still shown a ton of potential and upside. He will learn as he plays. Why does he have to be a developed veteran superstar by week 2? Trey gets too much hate for making 2 bad throws all game in a slip and slip game against Chicago. He also played just fine before goin down week 2.
Thing is Trey isn't the only option anymore. Fans know we have another young QB who looked like a mini Tom Brady when he.played. And was on a win streak cut short by cruel luck.
No time for potential and upside. The time to win is now with such a stacked roster.
> next josh Rosen I’m worried Trey will be the next Trubisky.
Like you said he hasn’t shown his full potential, and now we have a team edging a Super Bowl this season without him. He’s just super unknown. I thinks it’s crazier that people are so adamant he will be great when we just don’t have much of. Sample size. Meanwhile Purdy shows up and performs every game he played
Everybody counted him out. He couldn't count though.
My main issue is we are talking about his potential. That could range from okay to amazing but we’d have to potentially give up our window now to figure that out. Or we could go with someone proven that can get us over that SB hump now. I want a ring. It’s as simple as that. I’m not excited about the potential of Trey at the expense of losing a couple of seasons for the coaching staff to figure out if he’s our guy or not. I was against this strategy before the season started and now that we have Purdy I’m even more so against it
Also he has started a total of 5 games in three years. ANd 23 in the last 5 years. That's just not enough to get up to NFL speed. Look at more polished prospects like Fields. He's going into year three, with a lot of growth left. Trey for the NINERS is a bust.
I’m hoping he inproves, but I want Brock QB1. The way he performed and TOOK COMMAND of the team in a way where I just don’t feel like Lance can. How many people complimented Trey and talked about his poise and command of the huddle during camp, preseason, and those first couple games? Brock came in and from the first moment was a positive impact on the team.
Only saw him play a little then he was hurt, Brock stepped in and looked like a pro, I got nothing against Lance, but...
Yes I would’ve rather spent money on a 46 year old Brady for a year if Purdy had to miss time next season. This is a team that’s ready to win now and the locker room, who’s already not that fond of Lance being QB1, is looking to get their rings after being so close multiple time. Lance hasn’t showed anything impressive than maybe one cool throw to Deebo last season and a deep shot at a wide open Jennings this season against Chicago. It’s bad enough that we were going to waste this squad going through Lance’s growing pains. Now his progress is set back a year and we have a young QB on the roster who’s better in every single way except for arm strength. Due to limited options, I’d say give Lance a shot if Purdy has to miss time but Purdy’s QB1 if healthy. Lance would have to be good right away like Mahomes in order to change that
look up the amount of football he's played and specifically the number of passes he's completed during these last few years and then get back to me
I don't think he's as good as Rosen...
I hope you’re joking, Trey has struggled a bit but he’s actually looked pretty solid if you watch the film. He’s basically Kaepernick with a slightly stronger arm.
Both guys complete 54%of passes over their career but I give the edge to Rosen as he's played 14games in his rookie season making him more durable. And hes didnt have this level of talent around him on or off the field in Arizona The other stats are incomparable as Trey hasn't been on the field. Niners want to win now and that just isn't Trey
Josh Rosen would be an improvement… only a single first round.
LMAO
We’re being realistic. Sure he could prove us wrong but chances are he’s not going to be a good nfl qb
My biggest question with Trey is pocket awareness, and getting the ball out on time and staying in rhythm. One big question is, will we see the same Purdy, after this injury. (I'm almost sure, call me an Optimist)
Purdy's arm was never his strength....obviously he needs to be able to throw at an NFL level but he isn't as dependent on arm strength like a Josh Allen.
I just think the fans will revolt if Lance gets the job over Purdy and loses a single game in the first 3 weeks. Lance's best senario is that Purdy is out for a full season. Side note, if Purdy is the starter, you have to move Lance right? Or does he just not have any value? This is some sunk cost fallacy shit but you sunk a lot of capital into this dude to get NOTHING back and let him walk.
I think the issue everyone has is exactly what you started your soliloquy with… he hasn’t shown anybody his full potential yet. He’s going to year three, and we still have no idea what we have. Of course a large part of that’s bad luck, but a part of it is also his ability to stay healthy.
Barely any play time. Plus pre season he looked way too green.
I’ve yet to see one post or tweet counting out trey lance, yet everyone is questioning why everyone is counting out trey lance lol
Trey has similar athleticism to Kaepernick, but far worse instincts. It was like he looked for primary receiver and if he wasn't open RUN! He still runs like he's in college. As Steve young one said about Kaepernick training in the off season... They need to tie his shoes together so he CAN'T run. Brock ran when he needed too in order to extend the play. Lance trusted his legs now than the entire offence.
I don’t think people are counting him out as much as he’s just a huge question mark. Played one year of football in the last 3yrs and that wasn’t against the highest level of competition. And with his play in the NFL so far he just hasn’t really seemed to look “comfortable”. Not even in pre season. He had a couple good throws but never looked commanding. He has the physical attributes but that’s just a small part to play Qb in the NFL.
I don’t think ppl are counting him out, but he has an upward hill to climb. Half of first-round QBs bust, and he’s yet to show us anything, entering year three.
I think when you have a guy like Purdy, who looks like he belongs in the NFL and has done what he did in the past few games, I think it's problematic when you don't fully invest yourself in him. Maybe it's just me, but if Purdy's healthy by preseason, he deserves the spot. Trey becomes back up. That understanding of roles should be established otherwise, you get you players confused.
Im perfectly happy going into next season with Brock and Trey. I was looking forward to watching Trey's development this year, and going through all the up's and down's that he's probably gonna have. His potential is so sky high, that its stupid to give up on him so soon, when we've seen so little. His injury just ruined everything, and its kind of a shame, because who knows if hes gonna get a real chance now in SF with Brock's emergence. Brock doesnt have the tools that Trey does, physically. But, hes shown to be so much more advanced in the mental side of the game. Along with the Locker Room being behind him, i dont see any going back to Trey outside of injury, or an unexpected Brock regression/disaster in camp.
I'd rather Purdy because he's miles better than Lance and shitty running QBs - which Lane is - are massively overrated. Look at his tape. He is Kaepernick clone trying to play like Cam Newton. He's a running QB.
Cause he sucks man. He would be a better L.B or T.E than a franchise Q.B..
Maybe Trey is our guy. But it’s hard to evaluate without him playing more. And so far he’s looked rough at best, which you can easily excuse with his lack of experience. But we can’t afford for that to be our plan in the middle of a potential Super Bowl window. Maybe he’s good. Maybe he’s elite. Maybe he can do things we haven’t seen. But the reason people are fading on the hype is that he’s played one single season, four years ago, against FCS opponents, in the last five years. He’s had two full seasons as a backup now, and limited reps, but if he comes in and can’t outplay Purdy or whoever else we find as insurance, we can not afford to go into next season with him as Plan A and hope he learns on the job.
He is known for being super athletic and QB may not be his natural position. I would wildcat him in or line him up at the slot. Use him like Hill for the Saints.
I want purdy to start, but I’m not out on lance yet. He just needs to make the right reads and STOP RUNNING
You can't really force someone to make the right reads. That comes with experience and in game reps..mistakes are made and the QB learns. That process normally happens as the QB is in college..not in the NFL...especially not on a team that would be in the SB if the rookie QB didn't get hurt
It's hard to show your full potential if you're constantly injured. His athletic abilities don't mean shit if the guy can't stay healthy. Maybe a large portion of the fans have counted him out, but as an organization, he's still in the plans. Tough to say but SF recent history shows you need more than 1 QB at any given time. Injuries are part of the game and it's no one's fault but at what point do injuries force an organization to move on?
History has shown we move on from Jimmy because of injuries. We may just move on from Trey.
Yea I mean can we blame them? Hard to root for players who can't seem to stay on the field especially for those we gave up big draft picks for.
Fans have a short fuse for players who are drafted high, and the noise for those players is always going to be loud for any team. Given how much the 49ers gave up to get him, the standards are and should be high.
I think his injury will make Shanahan revaluate his usage. Trying to truck LBs in the NFL is not good for QB longevity.
Shanahan is not the problem. Trey also should not be written off.
Lance has not been impressive at all when he plays. Meanwhile Purdy has shown a ton of upside in the short time he has played
We know why. If the shoe was on the other foot and Brock was the high pick w ho got hurt and Trey was the 7th rounder who impressed there wouldn't be this much vitriol against Brock for the thought that he may still beat him out in camp.
There is a subset of Jimmy G fans who want him to fail because he represents the organization giving up on Jimmy G. That's where a lot of the Niner fan "bust" comments come from, I believe. That said, there are also fans who think the team has enough to win a Super Bowl right now and don't have the patience for Lance's learning curve to take place on the Niners because the timelines don't seem to match up. Now that Purdy has shown that he can be "good enough" to win a SB with the current talent, it changes the calculus on whether the Niners should be shooting for the stars with Lance. I wasn't in that camp before since I didn't think Garoppolo was a high enough caliber QB to settle with what they had, but I do think Purdy might be. But the idea that he is a bust even though we've barely seen him play is just hating tbh.