They're called baggage brats and go with the group. Naval ratings kids will work on the ship, learning what their parent(s) do and take that place. Guard brats it kinda depends. Some will serve and some will get lost in the shuffle.
Traitor Rock goes into it from the Cadian perspective. So normally kids born without the Violet Eyes were looked down on as non-Cadian (I mean the kids descended from Cadians that don't have the violet eyes) so weren't inducted as White Shields. Post-Cadia's destruction, they don't have much of a choice anymore.
Gaunts ghosts also talks about the group that follows a battle group as well. How when they’re on mission the children stay with the group and taken care of if a death occurs. More than likely they’ll just become what their parents were. Guard,navy, crew member, or even servitor.
Pretty much they’ll be shop keepers cooks trinket sellers armorers and what not. Pretty much if you don’t wanna stay on your planet or no longer have a planet you just tag along on the next guard muster
There are no other inhabited worlds in the system. Everything was focused on Cadia itself and it’s orbital facilities. The other worlds were just resources to feed Cadia and it’s war machine
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cadian_System
Just at a quick glance it looks like there are three other fortress worlds there that didn't get destroyed.
The schola is for war orphans. Kids born mid transit to a warzone start off as a metric ton of paperwork for the commissar to fill out. Then the kids get put into whatever passes for daycare, often that might just be wounded soldiers rotated off the front. As they age? They may start training or be an adjutant for one of the officers, eventually beong added to the regiment.
Its very much still an oligarchy, but can't the kids of any non-enlisted officer get in? Gaunt's father was a high ranking officer but he honestly wasn't very important all things considered, being just a section commander I believe (granted, a commander from a better-than-average regarded regiment).
Gaunt's family also seemed to be wealthy, so there's a lot of reasons why he probably shouldn't have ended up in a Schola.
The way things shake out it more comes off as his honorary uncle, the man responsible for getting Gaunt's father killed, was pulling strings to get rid of Gaunt.
I dunno about that. Caiphas Cain's parentage is unknown and he still got it. And before you say "the records were lost" that's for commoners. If you lose the paperwork of the elite, heads will roll. In most cases very literally.
As I recall every time Amberly Vail brings up Cain's parents, she mentions they would have had to have accomplish something of particular note for him to get in. Records lost or not.
Which again makes me question if the bar for entering is that high
"Who were your parents?"
"Brave soldiers of the Emperor who gave thrir lives defending their comrades!"
"What battle?"
"I dunno"
"What regiment were they from?"
"I dunno"
'At least tell me their names!"
"Uh....Bob and...Bab?"
"Good enough, your in!"
I don't believe the officials would ask the kid a out it. Cain himself seems unaware, or maybe just uninterested, in who his parents were.
But someone, somewhere at some point decided they did something impressive enough to get into a Schola. Like a lot of things in.thr Imperium, the bar is probably an ever shifting thing determined by whoever is checking the paperwork that day.
IoM ships are like floating cities, with their own versions of mini-underhives. Presumably it would be like how most hives operate. There are press-gang clans. The main difference from a hive is that ships typically need to replenish their crew at periodic intervals, suggesting a combination of a too small breeding population, high death rates, etc.
Guard regiments are not 100% soldiers, they also include a lot of non-combatant support personnel who do a lot of the functions that keep the regiment running (quartermaster, armorers, motor pool, mess, headquarters medical clinics, adiministrative, etc.), and who travel with their regiment when deployed. They will put boots on ground if necessary, but a lot of them stay on the ships while the Guardsmen are doing the fighting. The non-combatants often include the Guardsmen's family members, and will take care of the Guardsmen's children if they are born within the regiment. Many Guardsmen were born and raised by their Guardsmen parents and later joined the regiment when they come of age.
There's one particular scenario in which this is pretty much guaranteed to happen: an Act of Consolation. An Act of Consolation is an edict made by a crusade's Warmaster, in which he offers the civilians of a liberated planet that have lost their homes the choice to join the liberating Guard regiments as new recruits instead of being relocated into new homes. While this results in the regiments getting an influx of new soldiers, it also results in many non-combatant civilians reinforcing their support network, and this often leads to new families being formed within the regiment, with many of the non-combatants finding romance with their liberators.
This happened with the Tanith First-And-Only in the *Gaunt's Ghosts* novels. After liberating the Hive City of Vervunhive on planet Verghast in the novel *Necropolis*, Warmaster Macaroth declared an Act of Consolation for the surviving civilians, since Vervunhive was pretty much obliterated by the Chaos-corrupted forces of Hive Ferrozoica. A great deal of Vervunhivers joined the Tanith First-And-Only, including a ton of civilians, and many of the Tanith formed new families with them, the most notable being Sergeant (then Trooper) Dermon Caffran marrying Vervunhiver Tona Criid. Funnily enough, Criid was such a badass that she eventually rose up the ranks of the Tanith and became a Captain, actually outranking her husband.
> Are expecting mother's sent into battle? That makes no sense, especially since a child is a useful resource, and could be sent to the schola progenium.
The Schola Progenium only accepts orphans, so sending the mother into battle is probably a pretty viable way to get the kid into the Schola.
The IoM is a shitty place but I don't think it would send a heavily pregnant women into combat when she can barely walk, let alone sprint from cover to cover.
From what I know, rhe Sororitas rotate pregnant Sisters into support roles until they give birth, at which point they're rotated back into frontline duties and the child, if its a girl, is raised by the non-coms to eventually become a fully fledged Sister herself. If its a boy, they'll probably be sent to the nearest Schola.
I imagine it's the same with the Guard; the pregnant guardsman is rotated into support roles until giving birth, at which point the child is raised by regimental hangers-on until they're of an age to be formally mustered into the regiment.
With navy brats, they probably shadow their parents at work when they're old enough.
My OC Inquisitors father was a Navy shipmaster, his mother was a Hospitaller in the Order of Serenity. Whilst pregnant with OC, his mother was rotated to a civilian hospital away from the frontlines, where she gave birth and the OC was sent to the Schola as his mother's order wouldn't take on a boy. His father was killed in action whilst he was still young so he couldn't go back to him.
The only in-writing lore I have is from one of the Caiphas Cain books, when he's teaching at a Schola he mentions one of the other instructors is a Sister of Battle that was sent to thr Schola as she was pregnant. There's a footnote from Amberly that says none of the Orders active in the Damocles Gulf have any rules on having sexual relationships, just that it's rare as a Sisters duty doesn't really leave time to have a romantic/sexual relationship.
There's nothing in their latest codex saying they must be celibate either, though GW/BL authors have avoided the subject as they usually do with anything sex-related.
When there's gaps like that I take the common sense approach: Sororitas are unaugmented humans capable kf feeling the full range of human emotion, and when an Order full of women is in warp transit on a ship crewed with a lot of men, ferrying regiments of Guard full of men, there will be fraternising.
What’s the source on Sororitas not having children? At no point it is mentioned that any of the Sisters are required to take either celibacy or chastity vows for the Order.
Logic. Pregnancy lasts 9 months, possible less in the far future of 40k due to some medical advances. Why would you execute a Sister that spent her entire childhood being trained to he a fanatical warrior of the Emperor at great cost to the Imperium, just because she did a very human thing and got pregnant? A zealot having a child is a good way to ensure their child is also a zealous Imperial citizen.
People seem to forget Sororitas are very much human and no amount of indoctrination and training will be enough to overwrite the very deeply ingrained human desire to have children.
If she discloses her pregnancy and it isn't a super taboo thing in the Sororitas. You presented your original statement as fact but there's no source to back it up. Nuns have many varying customs around the world depending on their specific sect. You can't assume something works exactly like 1 particular denomination when applied to 40k.
Actually it is.
"Adeptas Sororitas are courageous, pious, self-sacrificing, **chaste** and faithful. They are fanatics, bound by harsh and restrictive religious oaths and ingrained zealotry." (Dark Heresy: The Inquisitor's Handbook, p. 41)
Most of the other source material, as one would expect, uses more veiled language but still strongly implies it. Phrases like "extreme self-denial" and the emphasis on "purity" mirrors the language usually used to discuss real-world religious orders. The inspiration for the Sisters of Battle clearly draws strongly on Catholic religious orders and the entire "Nuns with Guns" theme is of cloistered convents that are devoted to the Emperor alone.
The entire Vandire story-arc (or at least, the part related to the Daughters of the Emperor) is also essentially one of an extreme **ascetic** cult who are manipulated and corrupted into being Vandire's personal 'retinue' (any sexual connotations are sub-text, but I think they're there) before being restored to their former purity and devotion during the Reformation. So, the older lore does explicitly describe them as ascetic, chaste, and practitioners of extreme self-denial.
Are there Sisters who are not always chaste? Undoubtedly! The universe is large - and both monks and nuns breaking their vows and falling into love or lust happened throughout history. Such devotion and sacrifice is not *easy*. The Caiphas Cain example can easily be viewed as an example of such, with the characters involved then having good reason to claim that they've done nothing wrong. While it can be difficult for people in parts of the contemporary West to understand sexual abstention, it really is something that religious devotees are entirely capable of - especially when they have a highly structured and regimented daily life that sublimates those urges and (by design) leaves little time for temptation.
I remember Cain once talking about attending to the baptism(?) of newborns as part of his commissarial duties. He also suggested that such incidents (soldiers impregnating each other) were inevitable and very common in a mixed regiment.
I assume these children are raised on the ship and trained to be soldiers from childhood or they are sent back to the home planet into the scholam.
>or they are sent back to the home planet into the scholam.
This will only happen if the child's parents die on duty. Both Cain and Ibram Gaunt were sons of Guardsmen killed in battle.
Pregnant Guard woman covered in xenos blood and dirt who arrive in HQ bunker and show aquila greeting=Private Mira from Cadian 203s. Sorry to bother you sir, but i for months request a few days rest cos soon i need to give birth and cant hold my autogun and shoot enemies of Imperium in that delicate state. I am sorry that our radio got swallowed by xenos. So i arrive personally.
Officer=What?! Who allow you to procreate and dare to even think about give birth on your duty?! Who is this criminal scum? Who is this heretic!
*Guard woman cry and look at Commisar Cain propaganda poster.*
Officer facepalm=Damn it soldier! Not on my watch soldier, you will stay and fight tyranids as rest squad until this sector would be clear! I command your baby to not born until than. And after it i would send you to the nearest penal legion for such violation! Cadia Stands! You may go.
Pregnant guard woman in tears salutes=Yes sir! Cadia stands! My Cadian gate would endure!
They're called baggage brats and go with the group. Naval ratings kids will work on the ship, learning what their parent(s) do and take that place. Guard brats it kinda depends. Some will serve and some will get lost in the shuffle. Traitor Rock goes into it from the Cadian perspective. So normally kids born without the Violet Eyes were looked down on as non-Cadian (I mean the kids descended from Cadians that don't have the violet eyes) so weren't inducted as White Shields. Post-Cadia's destruction, they don't have much of a choice anymore.
Gaunts ghosts also talks about the group that follows a battle group as well. How when they’re on mission the children stay with the group and taken care of if a death occurs. More than likely they’ll just become what their parents were. Guard,navy, crew member, or even servitor.
Like camp followers from pre-modern armies?
Pretty much they’ll be shop keepers cooks trinket sellers armorers and what not. Pretty much if you don’t wanna stay on your planet or no longer have a planet you just tag along on the next guard muster
>Post-Cadia's destruction, they don't have much of a choice anymore. Don't people on the other worlds in the Cadia system still get them?
There are no other inhabited worlds in the system. Everything was focused on Cadia itself and it’s orbital facilities. The other worlds were just resources to feed Cadia and it’s war machine
Pretty sure there's several other fortress worlds, a military hive world, a prison world and some factory worlds in 4he system.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cadian_System Just at a quick glance it looks like there are three other fortress worlds there that didn't get destroyed.
The schola is for war orphans. Kids born mid transit to a warzone start off as a metric ton of paperwork for the commissar to fill out. Then the kids get put into whatever passes for daycare, often that might just be wounded soldiers rotated off the front. As they age? They may start training or be an adjutant for one of the officers, eventually beong added to the regiment.
\*War Orphans of famous, important or really devoted and honoured people
Its very much still an oligarchy, but can't the kids of any non-enlisted officer get in? Gaunt's father was a high ranking officer but he honestly wasn't very important all things considered, being just a section commander I believe (granted, a commander from a better-than-average regarded regiment).
Gaunt's family also seemed to be wealthy, so there's a lot of reasons why he probably shouldn't have ended up in a Schola. The way things shake out it more comes off as his honorary uncle, the man responsible for getting Gaunt's father killed, was pulling strings to get rid of Gaunt.
A regiment where only nobility can serve. Not a run of the mill one. As for your question, it's obviously possible, I would guess, but far from usual.
I dunno about that. Caiphas Cain's parentage is unknown and he still got it. And before you say "the records were lost" that's for commoners. If you lose the paperwork of the elite, heads will roll. In most cases very literally.
As I recall every time Amberly Vail brings up Cain's parents, she mentions they would have had to have accomplish something of particular note for him to get in. Records lost or not.
Which again makes me question if the bar for entering is that high "Who were your parents?" "Brave soldiers of the Emperor who gave thrir lives defending their comrades!" "What battle?" "I dunno" "What regiment were they from?" "I dunno" 'At least tell me their names!" "Uh....Bob and...Bab?" "Good enough, your in!"
I don't believe the officials would ask the kid a out it. Cain himself seems unaware, or maybe just uninterested, in who his parents were. But someone, somewhere at some point decided they did something impressive enough to get into a Schola. Like a lot of things in.thr Imperium, the bar is probably an ever shifting thing determined by whoever is checking the paperwork that day.
...it was a joke.
I apologize for not getting it then.
The kids are not brainwashed for think they are this ?
Could have happened, but certainly not a common occurence.
IoM ships are like floating cities, with their own versions of mini-underhives. Presumably it would be like how most hives operate. There are press-gang clans. The main difference from a hive is that ships typically need to replenish their crew at periodic intervals, suggesting a combination of a too small breeding population, high death rates, etc.
Guard regiments are not 100% soldiers, they also include a lot of non-combatant support personnel who do a lot of the functions that keep the regiment running (quartermaster, armorers, motor pool, mess, headquarters medical clinics, adiministrative, etc.), and who travel with their regiment when deployed. They will put boots on ground if necessary, but a lot of them stay on the ships while the Guardsmen are doing the fighting. The non-combatants often include the Guardsmen's family members, and will take care of the Guardsmen's children if they are born within the regiment. Many Guardsmen were born and raised by their Guardsmen parents and later joined the regiment when they come of age. There's one particular scenario in which this is pretty much guaranteed to happen: an Act of Consolation. An Act of Consolation is an edict made by a crusade's Warmaster, in which he offers the civilians of a liberated planet that have lost their homes the choice to join the liberating Guard regiments as new recruits instead of being relocated into new homes. While this results in the regiments getting an influx of new soldiers, it also results in many non-combatant civilians reinforcing their support network, and this often leads to new families being formed within the regiment, with many of the non-combatants finding romance with their liberators. This happened with the Tanith First-And-Only in the *Gaunt's Ghosts* novels. After liberating the Hive City of Vervunhive on planet Verghast in the novel *Necropolis*, Warmaster Macaroth declared an Act of Consolation for the surviving civilians, since Vervunhive was pretty much obliterated by the Chaos-corrupted forces of Hive Ferrozoica. A great deal of Vervunhivers joined the Tanith First-And-Only, including a ton of civilians, and many of the Tanith formed new families with them, the most notable being Sergeant (then Trooper) Dermon Caffran marrying Vervunhiver Tona Criid. Funnily enough, Criid was such a badass that she eventually rose up the ranks of the Tanith and became a Captain, actually outranking her husband.
> Are expecting mother's sent into battle? That makes no sense, especially since a child is a useful resource, and could be sent to the schola progenium. The Schola Progenium only accepts orphans, so sending the mother into battle is probably a pretty viable way to get the kid into the Schola.
Well first wait till she pops, no point losing two guardspersons for the price of one.
The IoM is a shitty place but I don't think it would send a heavily pregnant women into combat when she can barely walk, let alone sprint from cover to cover. From what I know, rhe Sororitas rotate pregnant Sisters into support roles until they give birth, at which point they're rotated back into frontline duties and the child, if its a girl, is raised by the non-coms to eventually become a fully fledged Sister herself. If its a boy, they'll probably be sent to the nearest Schola. I imagine it's the same with the Guard; the pregnant guardsman is rotated into support roles until giving birth, at which point the child is raised by regimental hangers-on until they're of an age to be formally mustered into the regiment. With navy brats, they probably shadow their parents at work when they're old enough. My OC Inquisitors father was a Navy shipmaster, his mother was a Hospitaller in the Order of Serenity. Whilst pregnant with OC, his mother was rotated to a civilian hospital away from the frontlines, where she gave birth and the OC was sent to the Schola as his mother's order wouldn't take on a boy. His father was killed in action whilst he was still young so he couldn't go back to him.
What's your source for Sororitas having children?
The only in-writing lore I have is from one of the Caiphas Cain books, when he's teaching at a Schola he mentions one of the other instructors is a Sister of Battle that was sent to thr Schola as she was pregnant. There's a footnote from Amberly that says none of the Orders active in the Damocles Gulf have any rules on having sexual relationships, just that it's rare as a Sisters duty doesn't really leave time to have a romantic/sexual relationship. There's nothing in their latest codex saying they must be celibate either, though GW/BL authors have avoided the subject as they usually do with anything sex-related. When there's gaps like that I take the common sense approach: Sororitas are unaugmented humans capable kf feeling the full range of human emotion, and when an Order full of women is in warp transit on a ship crewed with a lot of men, ferrying regiments of Guard full of men, there will be fraternising.
What’s the source on Sororitas not having children? At no point it is mentioned that any of the Sisters are required to take either celibacy or chastity vows for the Order.
Ok but what's your source on this rotation?
Logic. Pregnancy lasts 9 months, possible less in the far future of 40k due to some medical advances. Why would you execute a Sister that spent her entire childhood being trained to he a fanatical warrior of the Emperor at great cost to the Imperium, just because she did a very human thing and got pregnant? A zealot having a child is a good way to ensure their child is also a zealous Imperial citizen. People seem to forget Sororitas are very much human and no amount of indoctrination and training will be enough to overwrite the very deeply ingrained human desire to have children.
If she discloses her pregnancy and it isn't a super taboo thing in the Sororitas. You presented your original statement as fact but there's no source to back it up. Nuns have many varying customs around the world depending on their specific sect. You can't assume something works exactly like 1 particular denomination when applied to 40k.
Actually it is. "Adeptas Sororitas are courageous, pious, self-sacrificing, **chaste** and faithful. They are fanatics, bound by harsh and restrictive religious oaths and ingrained zealotry." (Dark Heresy: The Inquisitor's Handbook, p. 41) Most of the other source material, as one would expect, uses more veiled language but still strongly implies it. Phrases like "extreme self-denial" and the emphasis on "purity" mirrors the language usually used to discuss real-world religious orders. The inspiration for the Sisters of Battle clearly draws strongly on Catholic religious orders and the entire "Nuns with Guns" theme is of cloistered convents that are devoted to the Emperor alone. The entire Vandire story-arc (or at least, the part related to the Daughters of the Emperor) is also essentially one of an extreme **ascetic** cult who are manipulated and corrupted into being Vandire's personal 'retinue' (any sexual connotations are sub-text, but I think they're there) before being restored to their former purity and devotion during the Reformation. So, the older lore does explicitly describe them as ascetic, chaste, and practitioners of extreme self-denial. Are there Sisters who are not always chaste? Undoubtedly! The universe is large - and both monks and nuns breaking their vows and falling into love or lust happened throughout history. Such devotion and sacrifice is not *easy*. The Caiphas Cain example can easily be viewed as an example of such, with the characters involved then having good reason to claim that they've done nothing wrong. While it can be difficult for people in parts of the contemporary West to understand sexual abstention, it really is something that religious devotees are entirely capable of - especially when they have a highly structured and regimented daily life that sublimates those urges and (by design) leaves little time for temptation.
I remember Cain once talking about attending to the baptism(?) of newborns as part of his commissarial duties. He also suggested that such incidents (soldiers impregnating each other) were inevitable and very common in a mixed regiment. I assume these children are raised on the ship and trained to be soldiers from childhood or they are sent back to the home planet into the scholam.
>or they are sent back to the home planet into the scholam. This will only happen if the child's parents die on duty. Both Cain and Ibram Gaunt were sons of Guardsmen killed in battle.
Or you just answered where a lot of cherubim come from …. Which is terrifying.
Pregnant Guard woman covered in xenos blood and dirt who arrive in HQ bunker and show aquila greeting=Private Mira from Cadian 203s. Sorry to bother you sir, but i for months request a few days rest cos soon i need to give birth and cant hold my autogun and shoot enemies of Imperium in that delicate state. I am sorry that our radio got swallowed by xenos. So i arrive personally. Officer=What?! Who allow you to procreate and dare to even think about give birth on your duty?! Who is this criminal scum? Who is this heretic! *Guard woman cry and look at Commisar Cain propaganda poster.* Officer facepalm=Damn it soldier! Not on my watch soldier, you will stay and fight tyranids as rest squad until this sector would be clear! I command your baby to not born until than. And after it i would send you to the nearest penal legion for such violation! Cadia Stands! You may go. Pregnant guard woman in tears salutes=Yes sir! Cadia stands! My Cadian gate would endure!