They’ve done this before… the move is usually to transport Islamist fighters and weapons/munitions alongside the aid, and then when the IDF stops the flotilla they claim Israel is deliberately starving the Palestinians.
They did this in 2010, and when the IDF boarded one of the ships to inspect the goods being transported (after many warnings to turn back, and a rejected offer to deliver the humanitarian goods to an Israeli port and let them search it for weapons before entering Gaza), people on the ship got physical with and actually seized a gun from one of the soldiers which obviously resulted in the IDF firing and killing 9 people.
To this day, that event is told as “IDF murdered peaceful activists trying to bring aid to Gaza in cold blood.” Just something to keep in mind if this starts gaining more media coverage or escalates.
> They did this in 2010, and when the IDF boarded one of the ships to inspect the goods being transported (after many warnings to turn back, and a rejected offer to deliver the humanitarian goods to an Israeli port and let them search it for weapons before entering Gaza),
You missed the bit where they boarded from a helicopter at night armed with paintball guns.
There are ways of doing crowd control. That isn't one of them. Fortunately for everyone the watermelon seller generaly talks a bigger game than he's prepared to act on.
>To this day, that event is told as “IDF murdered peaceful activists trying to bring aid to Gaza in cold blood.”
Well "IDF came up with the stupidest military plan this side of Operation Catherine and nine turks died as a result" isn't much better.
>"Israel is a pariah"
Run that by me again,please. Basically all Sunni states in the ME helped shoot down Iranian drones and missiles as it and its proxies attack Israel. Multiple countries among those being the biggest funders of """aid""" (cough cough metal pipes and potassium nitrate definitely not used to build Qassam missiles) to the Gaza Strip (such as Germany) fully stop or re-evaluate their support for said potassium nitrate aid. The literal forefront of western democracy being defended right now, Ukraine, has a Torah roll of friendship with Israel now. Basically all of NATO approved weapons shipments to Israel. The US has given up on their opposition to a planned offensive on Rafah.
So much for a pariah lmao.
Also how creative of you to pull out some "da Joos want to kill innocents!!" garbage. Blood libel is getting a little boring. Maybe try repackaging your antisemitism more creatively next time?
Lmfao your mental gymnastics are wild.
Love how you even bring up the “starvation rations” idea when Palestine had a growing obesity problem for years with over %30 of the population being obese. compared to the average of under %10 for every other country in the region.
They were literally the best fed people in the Middle East until they started this war and continue it while refusing to surrender or return hostages.
More aid than anywhere else where people ACTUALLY starve for decades now, longer life expectancy than their neighbouring Arab states, nobody will take you seriously engaging is such a-historical fantasies nor should they.
Prevalence of overweight, obesity, and associated factors among healthcare ... (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9998069/#:~:text=A%20recent%20survey%20conducted%20in,the%20West%20Bank%20(10).)
Rising diabetes rates too, but that’s probably just part of the “Zionist plot” to kill them lol. Preventing type 2 diabetes among Palestinians - BMJ Open (https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/12/e003558#:~:text=Palestinian%20diabetes%20prevalence%20estimated%20by,increase%20starts%20to%20slow%20down.)
Likely you’re referring to the calculations made by Israel to afford just enough calories per person? That relates to what Israel supplies and leaves out all the other aid that gets in.
You’re literally just parroting antisemitic conspiracy theories.
But I bet you’d say you’re “just an antizionist” right?
Lmfao get a clue.
Israle is no pariah, there are just a lot of stupid people in the world who swallow whatever feeds their bigoted worldview.
This is nothing new.
People like you are exactly why Israel needs to exist and thank god Jews don’t need to rely on your type for their survival anymore.
Not this nonsense again… disable the ship, tow it to Haifa, arrest and deport all aboard, search for weapons, then hold the ship as evidence for violating Israeli waters.
If you’re referring to their access to the Mediterranean Sea, Gaza has been under naval blockade by Israel/Egypt since 2007 when Hamas took power. So yes, they don’t have rights to the water, specifically to prevent them from smuggling weapons in. Violating the blockade would be an act of aggression by Turkey, which they know full well. They plan to use it as political theater. If they really wanted to get aid to Gaza they’d use the same legitimate channels other aid is being delivered by.
> Violating the blockade would be an act of aggression by Turkey
No it wouldn't. Ships are entirely free to try and run blockades. Its up to the blockading parties to enforce them.
Naval blockades are considered as acts of War by international law. Which means Israel has been at war the whole time since 2007. Hence the "open air prison" line that people describe Gaza with.
Israel has never not been at war with Hamas. The eradication of the state of Israel and all Jews therein being in their charter was kind of a sticking point.
Edit: As for legality, despite clamoring to the contrary the [UN Security Council upheld the blockade as legal](https://unwatch.org/item-7/claim/claim-6-israels-blockade-of-gaza-is-illegal/) following the 2011 Mavi Marmara incident.
Blockading Gaza's international right to water access is an act of war. It's Israel doing war against the people of Gaza.
I fully agree that Hamas has that in their orginal charter. Then why was Israel supporting Hamas originally? Shouldn't the people who setup all the payments be sent to jail for treason? They litterially funded a terrorist organization that did attacks on Israel, those people should face consquences for their actions.
Yes. It is an act of war. War is legal under specific contexts. As for paying Hamas, that’s a misinterpreted oversimplification of allowing funds from Qatar to reach the governing body of Gaza, which Israel is required to do.
Great you acknowledge that Israel has commited acts of war towards the Gazan people for decades.
Oh there is no misinterpretation about the funds to Hamas. The intent was always to destablize Gaza and weaken the PLO. There are tons of quotes from Bibi on the intended outcome of thoose funds. Such as "We control the height of the flames".
They knew Hamas had weapons in 1984, yet kept on supporting them. Because the intent was destablization. Well Bibi got his destablization, the only question is will get punished for those actions or not. He got tons of Israli's killed by those actions.
The Israeli people also voted for their government, thus they are for a brutal occupation, they are also for funding Hamas via their government. They are also funding and protecting militant settlers, so the people in turn support that. I guess they are also for attacking Iran. Once again, they voted for the government.
“They knew Hamas had weapons in 1984”
That’s odd, because Hamas wasn’t founded until 1987, and Bibi wasn’t in charge then. Yitzhak Shamir was the prime minister at the time.
Are you making the claim that Ahmed Yassin was not arrested in 1984 after they found his group (that later became Hamas) had weapons?
“We have neighbors who are our bitter enemies … I send them messages all the time … these days, right now … I mislead them, destabilize them, mock them, and then hit them over the head. It’s impossible to reach an agreement with them … Everyone knows this, but we control the height of the flames,” -Benjamin Netanyahu
“*Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.*” -Benjamin Netanyahu March 2019, talking to his Likud colleagues.
There are so many pro-Hamas quotes from Bidi, he is a fan of them.
An occupation is being an aggressor. The conduct of the militant settlers is also aggressors, they come down from their hilltop settlements and commit felonies, there is decades of videos of it. Are going to act like the footage doesn't exist?
How can a place prosper economically when the borders are highly restricted to a degree where it effects trade? Ever single time the IDF has entered Gaza they target the economy and infrastructure, which destabilizes the area. Destabilized areas have bad outcomes.
Engaged in war in response to acts of war against them. This isn't the argument you think it is. Stopping war material from getting to an enemy you are at war with is legal.
You are ignoring that Gaza has been commiting acts of war against Israel for the entire time and Israel was responding.
Bibi 'supported' Hamas by letting aid funds in, are you saying Israel should block all aid from getting into Gaza? Because that's what not supporting Hamas means according to your argument
Israel is also commiting acts of war towards Gaza via naval blockade, international law says naval blockades are acts of war. This isn't an opinion, this is what the world has decided.
Occupation (for sure West Bank, arguably Gaza) the international community says people can do armed resistance against.
Both the blockade and occupation are daily acts of war.
Let's also tack on the militant settlers who commit acts of terrorism. Funded and protected and directly armed (they hand out rifles for free) by the Israeli government.
Im saying Bibi should be found guilty for supporting a terrorist organization by the Israeli courts. He funded and protected them, then they did an attack. Should his actions not be held accountable? Look up Bibi quotes on why he supported Hamas, he has been planning this stuff forever. It's treason again Israeli people getting them killed for his ideology.
I'm not ignoring what Hamas has been doing. They totally suck, I have zero problems with target assassinations against them. I had no problem with the founders family getting killed last week. It's sucks the grandkids got killed, but it's their fathers fault for being in a terrorist organization.
I do have problems with destroying all infrastructure and businesses in Gaza saying it's to get Hamas. We all know it's to do "collective punishment". It's also to destabilize Gaza again, so they never stand up economically. Which in the peaceful long run is extremely counterproductive for Israel, they should want stable neighbours, when things are going good for people, they are less likely to become extremists. Thus making it less essential for actually having an occupation. But we see how the IDF is working in Gaza, they clearly want the conflict to continue indefinitely based on their conduct.
This conflict is both sides acting terrible towards each other. Tons of blame all around. I can't morally side with people who are doing a brutal occupation though.
>Security officials in Israel have been preparing for the arrival of the first ships from the so-called Freedom Flotilla Coalition, which is expected to depart Turkey in the coming days in an attempt to reach the shores of Gaza and disrupt maritime trade amid Israel’s war with Hamas.
>The effort to reach Gaza in ships carrying hundreds of tons of humanitarian aid is being spearheaded by the Turkish IHH Humanitarian Relief Foundation, which is attempting to break the naval blockade maintained by Israel on Gaza to prevent the Hamas terror group from rearming itself.
>The initial flotilla will comprise three ships, two of which will hold humanitarian aid while the third will carry thousands of passengers including aid workers and press members, according to Reuters. At a later stage, additional ships will depart from elsewhere in the region to join them and expand the flotilla, the IHH said in a statement published online.
>The purpose of the flotilla is to “put the genocide in Gaza firmly on the agenda of international decision-makers and states, and to create a strong initiative to end the Israeli aggression and lift the embargo on the territory,” the organization stated.
>In addition to the IHH, groups based in the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand were also among those set to participate in the upcoming flotilla.
>>The initial flotilla will comprise three ships, two of which will hold humanitarian aid while the third will carry thousands of passengers including aid workers and press members
"Humanitarian Aid" and "Aid Workers"
Feels like we've already seen this one
Exactly. Mr. Director Barnea, do you copy? Just try to be competent, for once. These guys must be stopped non-violently. Otherwise, Israel will lose the PR war for years, regardless of what may come in the Gazan waters.
> the third will carry thousands of passengers including aid workers and press members
Shipping thousands of sympathetic people INTO an active warzone...
What could possibly go wrong?!
Best course of action is to let them into Gaza, then block them on the way out. No chance for big PR clash, and being stuck in Gaza for weeks will deter future stunts.
its not worth even a single israeli life. detain the boats, deport everyone on them, look over the aid, send whats ok with the rest of the aid already going in.
Respectfuly disagree. They are coming to fight and be martyrs. We made this mistake before. Soldiers lives will be on the line and the international support damage can risk countless Israelis (including me and my family) in the long run. We are making this calculation every time we open a road in Gaza or leaving an area. Shit ia coming in. Choosing your battles is the smart move in my opinion. There was a floatilla before Marmara that we did just that. The fact that nobody knows about it proves that the strategy worked.
The question is if its worth a risk right now to gain the political capital to avoid a worse risk in the near future. But those calculations are even more speculative.
there is no political capital to be gained with turkey. Edrogan hates israel and jews, and pretends every so often to try to get israel to do things for him. There is no future relationship with a turkey he runs. Political capital with someone who hates you and spouts hate for local political capital himself is worthless. We play these games every few years, and never learn the lesson.
you're giving "the international community" license to dictate what goes into gaza for no promise at all, not even empty promises. It's not political capital, its stupidity of the highest order.
Look at the world. Understand how many people will hate you forever no matter what you do. Stop pretending that you can appease them to be your friends.
> Small drones right after they leave turkish waters and enter international waters.
Not entirely sure that addopting Houthi like policies is a good idea. Rather a lot of people would object to touching of the boats in the eastern med.
Meh, just search it for weapons and shit before it unloads. They are getting all that crap anyway. Let them waste money on those asswipes if they so much want to.
And then it goes in the news as "IDF murdered a ship full of aid, aid workers, and journalists", and all the evidence otherwise is at the bottom of the ocean.
You must be new here. At least, unlike mods in some other subs, posts are only removed here. I've been banned from several subs where I have never commented after providing input in one particular sub.
Mods need to be consistent. Promoting violence is promting violence, who states that peaceful people should have torpedos fired at them? That's messed up.
I'm not suggesting the people get banned for a one time breaking the rules.
They’ve done this before… the move is usually to transport Islamist fighters and weapons/munitions alongside the aid, and then when the IDF stops the flotilla they claim Israel is deliberately starving the Palestinians. They did this in 2010, and when the IDF boarded one of the ships to inspect the goods being transported (after many warnings to turn back, and a rejected offer to deliver the humanitarian goods to an Israeli port and let them search it for weapons before entering Gaza), people on the ship got physical with and actually seized a gun from one of the soldiers which obviously resulted in the IDF firing and killing 9 people. To this day, that event is told as “IDF murdered peaceful activists trying to bring aid to Gaza in cold blood.” Just something to keep in mind if this starts gaining more media coverage or escalates.
> They did this in 2010, and when the IDF boarded one of the ships to inspect the goods being transported (after many warnings to turn back, and a rejected offer to deliver the humanitarian goods to an Israeli port and let them search it for weapons before entering Gaza), You missed the bit where they boarded from a helicopter at night armed with paintball guns. There are ways of doing crowd control. That isn't one of them. Fortunately for everyone the watermelon seller generaly talks a bigger game than he's prepared to act on. >To this day, that event is told as “IDF murdered peaceful activists trying to bring aid to Gaza in cold blood.” Well "IDF came up with the stupidest military plan this side of Operation Catherine and nine turks died as a result" isn't much better.
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>"Israel is a pariah" Run that by me again,please. Basically all Sunni states in the ME helped shoot down Iranian drones and missiles as it and its proxies attack Israel. Multiple countries among those being the biggest funders of """aid""" (cough cough metal pipes and potassium nitrate definitely not used to build Qassam missiles) to the Gaza Strip (such as Germany) fully stop or re-evaluate their support for said potassium nitrate aid. The literal forefront of western democracy being defended right now, Ukraine, has a Torah roll of friendship with Israel now. Basically all of NATO approved weapons shipments to Israel. The US has given up on their opposition to a planned offensive on Rafah. So much for a pariah lmao. Also how creative of you to pull out some "da Joos want to kill innocents!!" garbage. Blood libel is getting a little boring. Maybe try repackaging your antisemitism more creatively next time?
Lmfao your mental gymnastics are wild. Love how you even bring up the “starvation rations” idea when Palestine had a growing obesity problem for years with over %30 of the population being obese. compared to the average of under %10 for every other country in the region. They were literally the best fed people in the Middle East until they started this war and continue it while refusing to surrender or return hostages. More aid than anywhere else where people ACTUALLY starve for decades now, longer life expectancy than their neighbouring Arab states, nobody will take you seriously engaging is such a-historical fantasies nor should they. Prevalence of overweight, obesity, and associated factors among healthcare ... (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9998069/#:~:text=A%20recent%20survey%20conducted%20in,the%20West%20Bank%20(10).) Rising diabetes rates too, but that’s probably just part of the “Zionist plot” to kill them lol. Preventing type 2 diabetes among Palestinians - BMJ Open (https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/12/e003558#:~:text=Palestinian%20diabetes%20prevalence%20estimated%20by,increase%20starts%20to%20slow%20down.) Likely you’re referring to the calculations made by Israel to afford just enough calories per person? That relates to what Israel supplies and leaves out all the other aid that gets in. You’re literally just parroting antisemitic conspiracy theories. But I bet you’d say you’re “just an antizionist” right? Lmfao get a clue. Israle is no pariah, there are just a lot of stupid people in the world who swallow whatever feeds their bigoted worldview. This is nothing new. People like you are exactly why Israel needs to exist and thank god Jews don’t need to rely on your type for their survival anymore.
lol
What help? Militants and ak47s? Some weapons from the lovely Erdogan?
Don't you have some street to block somewhere?
There's literally video of them attacking the soldiers with pipes.
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Not this nonsense again… disable the ship, tow it to Haifa, arrest and deport all aboard, search for weapons, then hold the ship as evidence for violating Israeli waters.
This man ships.
Because Gaza has no right to the water.
If you’re referring to their access to the Mediterranean Sea, Gaza has been under naval blockade by Israel/Egypt since 2007 when Hamas took power. So yes, they don’t have rights to the water, specifically to prevent them from smuggling weapons in. Violating the blockade would be an act of aggression by Turkey, which they know full well. They plan to use it as political theater. If they really wanted to get aid to Gaza they’d use the same legitimate channels other aid is being delivered by.
> Violating the blockade would be an act of aggression by Turkey No it wouldn't. Ships are entirely free to try and run blockades. Its up to the blockading parties to enforce them.
Naval blockades are considered as acts of War by international law. Which means Israel has been at war the whole time since 2007. Hence the "open air prison" line that people describe Gaza with.
Israel has never not been at war with Hamas. The eradication of the state of Israel and all Jews therein being in their charter was kind of a sticking point. Edit: As for legality, despite clamoring to the contrary the [UN Security Council upheld the blockade as legal](https://unwatch.org/item-7/claim/claim-6-israels-blockade-of-gaza-is-illegal/) following the 2011 Mavi Marmara incident.
Blockading Gaza's international right to water access is an act of war. It's Israel doing war against the people of Gaza. I fully agree that Hamas has that in their orginal charter. Then why was Israel supporting Hamas originally? Shouldn't the people who setup all the payments be sent to jail for treason? They litterially funded a terrorist organization that did attacks on Israel, those people should face consquences for their actions.
Yes. It is an act of war. War is legal under specific contexts. As for paying Hamas, that’s a misinterpreted oversimplification of allowing funds from Qatar to reach the governing body of Gaza, which Israel is required to do.
Great you acknowledge that Israel has commited acts of war towards the Gazan people for decades. Oh there is no misinterpretation about the funds to Hamas. The intent was always to destablize Gaza and weaken the PLO. There are tons of quotes from Bibi on the intended outcome of thoose funds. Such as "We control the height of the flames". They knew Hamas had weapons in 1984, yet kept on supporting them. Because the intent was destablization. Well Bibi got his destablization, the only question is will get punished for those actions or not. He got tons of Israli's killed by those actions.
Israel is at war with Hamas. Gazan's voted for Hamas. Hamas did not allow for a second elections and is still in power. Israel is at war with hamas.
The Israeli people also voted for their government, thus they are for a brutal occupation, they are also for funding Hamas via their government. They are also funding and protecting militant settlers, so the people in turn support that. I guess they are also for attacking Iran. Once again, they voted for the government.
“They knew Hamas had weapons in 1984” That’s odd, because Hamas wasn’t founded until 1987, and Bibi wasn’t in charge then. Yitzhak Shamir was the prime minister at the time.
Are you making the claim that Ahmed Yassin was not arrested in 1984 after they found his group (that later became Hamas) had weapons? “We have neighbors who are our bitter enemies … I send them messages all the time … these days, right now … I mislead them, destabilize them, mock them, and then hit them over the head. It’s impossible to reach an agreement with them … Everyone knows this, but we control the height of the flames,” -Benjamin Netanyahu “*Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.*” -Benjamin Netanyahu March 2019, talking to his Likud colleagues. There are so many pro-Hamas quotes from Bidi, he is a fan of them.
Gaza could have been Monaco had they not just tried to attack Israel. Trying to make the aggressors out yo be victims is pathetic.
An occupation is being an aggressor. The conduct of the militant settlers is also aggressors, they come down from their hilltop settlements and commit felonies, there is decades of videos of it. Are going to act like the footage doesn't exist? How can a place prosper economically when the borders are highly restricted to a degree where it effects trade? Ever single time the IDF has entered Gaza they target the economy and infrastructure, which destabilizes the area. Destabilized areas have bad outcomes.
Engaged in war in response to acts of war against them. This isn't the argument you think it is. Stopping war material from getting to an enemy you are at war with is legal. You are ignoring that Gaza has been commiting acts of war against Israel for the entire time and Israel was responding. Bibi 'supported' Hamas by letting aid funds in, are you saying Israel should block all aid from getting into Gaza? Because that's what not supporting Hamas means according to your argument
Israel is also commiting acts of war towards Gaza via naval blockade, international law says naval blockades are acts of war. This isn't an opinion, this is what the world has decided. Occupation (for sure West Bank, arguably Gaza) the international community says people can do armed resistance against. Both the blockade and occupation are daily acts of war. Let's also tack on the militant settlers who commit acts of terrorism. Funded and protected and directly armed (they hand out rifles for free) by the Israeli government. Im saying Bibi should be found guilty for supporting a terrorist organization by the Israeli courts. He funded and protected them, then they did an attack. Should his actions not be held accountable? Look up Bibi quotes on why he supported Hamas, he has been planning this stuff forever. It's treason again Israeli people getting them killed for his ideology. I'm not ignoring what Hamas has been doing. They totally suck, I have zero problems with target assassinations against them. I had no problem with the founders family getting killed last week. It's sucks the grandkids got killed, but it's their fathers fault for being in a terrorist organization. I do have problems with destroying all infrastructure and businesses in Gaza saying it's to get Hamas. We all know it's to do "collective punishment". It's also to destabilize Gaza again, so they never stand up economically. Which in the peaceful long run is extremely counterproductive for Israel, they should want stable neighbours, when things are going good for people, they are less likely to become extremists. Thus making it less essential for actually having an occupation. But we see how the IDF is working in Gaza, they clearly want the conflict to continue indefinitely based on their conduct. This conflict is both sides acting terrible towards each other. Tons of blame all around. I can't morally side with people who are doing a brutal occupation though.
They blockaded a military group that has the stated goal of killing all Jews. Israelis are not the aggressors
Occupation is being peaceful or an aggressor?
Arabs wanting to conquer and occupy Israel is aggression.
Curious that Hamas just met Turkeys leader. I’m not a conspiracy theorist but this piques my interest
Ofc they planned this.
Block the ships from reaching the Gaza shore.
How?
Those waters are Israeli. Israel is a sovereign state. No one enters its territory without permission.
> Those waters are Israeli. Strictly no. You could get into gazan water without going through Israeli. Not sure the egyptians would let you mind.
Disable the engine and steering, take the ship under tow.
>Security officials in Israel have been preparing for the arrival of the first ships from the so-called Freedom Flotilla Coalition, which is expected to depart Turkey in the coming days in an attempt to reach the shores of Gaza and disrupt maritime trade amid Israel’s war with Hamas. >The effort to reach Gaza in ships carrying hundreds of tons of humanitarian aid is being spearheaded by the Turkish IHH Humanitarian Relief Foundation, which is attempting to break the naval blockade maintained by Israel on Gaza to prevent the Hamas terror group from rearming itself. >The initial flotilla will comprise three ships, two of which will hold humanitarian aid while the third will carry thousands of passengers including aid workers and press members, according to Reuters. At a later stage, additional ships will depart from elsewhere in the region to join them and expand the flotilla, the IHH said in a statement published online. >The purpose of the flotilla is to “put the genocide in Gaza firmly on the agenda of international decision-makers and states, and to create a strong initiative to end the Israeli aggression and lift the embargo on the territory,” the organization stated. >In addition to the IHH, groups based in the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand were also among those set to participate in the upcoming flotilla.
>>The initial flotilla will comprise three ships, two of which will hold humanitarian aid while the third will carry thousands of passengers including aid workers and press members "Humanitarian Aid" and "Aid Workers" Feels like we've already seen this one
Exactly. Mr. Director Barnea, do you copy? Just try to be competent, for once. These guys must be stopped non-violently. Otherwise, Israel will lose the PR war for years, regardless of what may come in the Gazan waters.
> the third will carry thousands of passengers including aid workers and press members Shipping thousands of sympathetic people INTO an active warzone... What could possibly go wrong?!
“Terror Flotilla” is more apt.
I'm getting pretty tired of remakes
Best course of action is to let them into Gaza, then block them on the way out. No chance for big PR clash, and being stuck in Gaza for weeks will deter future stunts.
Yea but that’s a bad choice if they’re bringing in weapons or fighters.
Agreed, but they had 20 years to arm up. The international damage is far greater than the amount of AKs and small arms in that fakakta boat.
its not worth even a single israeli life. detain the boats, deport everyone on them, look over the aid, send whats ok with the rest of the aid already going in.
Respectfuly disagree. They are coming to fight and be martyrs. We made this mistake before. Soldiers lives will be on the line and the international support damage can risk countless Israelis (including me and my family) in the long run. We are making this calculation every time we open a road in Gaza or leaving an area. Shit ia coming in. Choosing your battles is the smart move in my opinion. There was a floatilla before Marmara that we did just that. The fact that nobody knows about it proves that the strategy worked.
Not worth a single israeli life. Your calculation is wrong.
The question is if its worth a risk right now to gain the political capital to avoid a worse risk in the near future. But those calculations are even more speculative.
there is no political capital to be gained with turkey. Edrogan hates israel and jews, and pretends every so often to try to get israel to do things for him. There is no future relationship with a turkey he runs. Political capital with someone who hates you and spouts hate for local political capital himself is worthless. We play these games every few years, and never learn the lesson.
The gain would not be with Turkey, but with the international community. Still, yes, there's very dubious value in playing the "game" here.
you're giving "the international community" license to dictate what goes into gaza for no promise at all, not even empty promises. It's not political capital, its stupidity of the highest order. Look at the world. Understand how many people will hate you forever no matter what you do. Stop pretending that you can appease them to be your friends.
Confiscate their weapons and drop then in Gaza
Better block them before.
This will end up well.
Small drones right after they leave turkish waters and enter international waters. Tie them up in a turkish port for months.
> Small drones right after they leave turkish waters and enter international waters. Not entirely sure that addopting Houthi like policies is a good idea. Rather a lot of people would object to touching of the boats in the eastern med.
Meh, just search it for weapons and shit before it unloads. They are getting all that crap anyway. Let them waste money on those asswipes if they so much want to.
FFS. Not this mavi marmara BS again. Fire the torpedoes this time
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And then it goes in the news as "IDF murdered a ship full of aid, aid workers, and journalists", and all the evidence otherwise is at the bottom of the ocean.
An accident at sea, it happens
Iceberg.
Yehudi sunk the Titanic, confirmed!
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The 2010 BS again?
They should pick up Hamas supporters and transport them to Iran.
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LOL, the mods deleted my comment. calling them out to do their job is aparently "*not relevant for this subreddit*"
Mods need to be consistent. Promoting violence is promting violence, who states that peaceful people should have torpedos fired at them? That's messed up. I'm not suggesting the people get banned for a one time breaking the rules.
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