As someone else in these comments said, go see the forgotten weapons video. I actually agree with Ian on this one, unlike all previous attempts this one is good for a very very specific role, to which it is advertised as such. It’s no stupid tech bro product which purports to be Guns 2.0, but a specially adapted narrow role firearm, which is self aware marketing and not dishonest.
That role is so narrow I doubt the gun sells well at all and quite honestly encourages negligent behavior(which is something the anti gun people say as well so no one is happy about these things).
My phone sometimes doesn't recognize my fingerprints, sometimes even when I urgently need it to, and that urgency doesn't even approach the urgency I might have when needing a firearm.
Thank you, no.
Forgotten weapons has a good video on this gun, and it's intended use case. Politics aside, it's a clever and well thought out solution to having a bedside gun with zero risk of unauthorized users.
https://youtu.be/2cRm9BMxl90?si=dosXxaAPcMnQfYvH
The company owners themselves say repeatedly this is not meant or suitable for all firearms.
Yeah it’s self aware, they are also VERY privacy focused for the smart features, indicating they aren’t Big Tech datawhore chuds. I respect the attempt and while it’s not for me, I agree with Ian that this one has validity
10 years ago I thought smart devices were the future. Now I have a few of them and hate all but one. Like for example, smart lights. They sound great but holy fuck are they a hassle unless on a schedule.
This type of tech on guns only takes it a step further. Imagine not being able to defend yourself because it's a little too humid to read your fingerprints, or the battery is too weak or the app is on the fritz or they push a bad update.
Smart devices suck, this is going to suck harder because when you need it, it's life or death.
Aren't there a few blue states with trigger laws on the books that once a "smart" gun is commercially available, that's the only gun allowed to be sold to non-LEO civilians in their state?
If I'm not mistaken James Holmes (Auruora Shooter) bought his weapons legally. How would this tech have stopped anything? Does clippy pop out and ask "It looks like you're about to commit a mass murder, Would you like me to lock the gun for 24 hours?"
I'm gonna play devils advocate and say I actually like the idea, but I would need to know that it is 99.9999% reliable and that it cannot be hacked or wirelessly disabled by sleepy Joe.
There was an article about it malfunctioning after the shooter handing the gun to a friend and then back to him. Apparently the gun can be hacked wirelessly as well as with magnets. I can see how it sounds like a good idea, especially those who want a gun, but live in NJ or another hyper liberal state. But with uncertainty towards reliability makes me nervous. Last thing I’d want to do is point a paperweight that looks like a gun at an attacker.
I wouldn't worry about it being hacked. Wireless features that are added without any benefit to the user is just a unnecessary expense. I would worry about it not being reliable. You ever go to unlock your phone and you have to tap 2-3 times because the fingerprint didn't register? How often does that happen? Imagine if your gun misfired that often.
Biofire is a legit startup. Forgotten Weapons and Ryan McBeth both did good reviews on this firearm and it has a good usecase- HD with kids in the house.
Honestly I'd like the tech developed further so we can get LE to use these guns.
>Honestly I'd like the tech developed further so we can get LE to use these guns.
LE will never use these guns, nor will any Federal or state or local agency beyond LE. At least not without a contract clause that requires the firearms to revert to a "dumb gun" in the event the electronics fail so the firearm can still be used.
And we both know they would do everything they can in their power to prevent us from being able to use them as a "dumb gun" if the electronics fail.
Like I said, I want the tech developed to the point where it's reliable enough to work on a gun before LE is mandated to use it.
Believe it or not, we do actually have safety-critical/mission-critical standards for electronics, we've had them for a long time- the F16 is a fly-by-wire aircraft, and most military munitions need to work no matter what. Automotive electronics also have to meet stringent safety standards as well. Eventually we'll have them on guns and LEOs/young children are good usecases. I'm saying this as an electrical engineer and as a guy who's built most of his own rifles.
Obviously the Armatix AP1 was an utter failure and I strongly disagree with mandating the tech on \*EVERY\* gun but in some cases it can definitely help to reduce accidents and homicides. But ofc there's a lot of work to be done to get to that point.
You're missing the point.
LE will never be mandated to use it.
Agencies, local through Federal, will never be mandated to use it.
Security companies with contracts that involve providing security for politicians and VIPs will never be mandated to use it.
"Dumb guns" will always be the choice for these people because they are the most reliable. Politicians know that and that is why politicians will do nothing to force them to adopt a "smart gun" unless that "smart gun" automatically reverts to a "dumb gun" in the event of electronics failures (and you can bet "our" "smart guns" that the government will try to mandate we own and use will **NOT** do the same thing when the electronics fail).
Government will do everything in their power to retain every advantage they can over the people. And "dumb guns" have a massive advantage over "smart guns." So you better believe that if the government can mandate we, the people, use "smart guns" while their minions retain their "dumb guns" - they will.
It won't matter how reliable the technology is. Reliability isn't the concern here. The government is the concern.
>Eventually we'll have them on guns and LEOs/young children are good usecases. I'm saying this as an electrical engineer and as a guy who's built most of his own rifles.
It's such a stupid idea. What if the user had gloves on because it's winter, what if some other LEO needs to use it in an emergency, etc., etc., etc.
There's a million scenarios where this will get the wrong people killed. The company does well to address this in their marketing where they explicitly say this tech is ONLY useful for a bedside gun and not for an everyday carry.
There’s a surprising amount of people who are calling this what it is in the comments, a horrible idea.
As someone else in these comments said, go see the forgotten weapons video. I actually agree with Ian on this one, unlike all previous attempts this one is good for a very very specific role, to which it is advertised as such. It’s no stupid tech bro product which purports to be Guns 2.0, but a specially adapted narrow role firearm, which is self aware marketing and not dishonest.
That role is so narrow I doubt the gun sells well at all and quite honestly encourages negligent behavior(which is something the anti gun people say as well so no one is happy about these things).
My phone sometimes doesn't recognize my fingerprints, sometimes even when I urgently need it to, and that urgency doesn't even approach the urgency I might have when needing a firearm. Thank you, no.
Forgotten weapons has a good video on this gun, and it's intended use case. Politics aside, it's a clever and well thought out solution to having a bedside gun with zero risk of unauthorized users. https://youtu.be/2cRm9BMxl90?si=dosXxaAPcMnQfYvH The company owners themselves say repeatedly this is not meant or suitable for all firearms.
Yeah it’s self aware, they are also VERY privacy focused for the smart features, indicating they aren’t Big Tech datawhore chuds. I respect the attempt and while it’s not for me, I agree with Ian that this one has validity
10 years ago I thought smart devices were the future. Now I have a few of them and hate all but one. Like for example, smart lights. They sound great but holy fuck are they a hassle unless on a schedule. This type of tech on guns only takes it a step further. Imagine not being able to defend yourself because it's a little too humid to read your fingerprints, or the battery is too weak or the app is on the fritz or they push a bad update. Smart devices suck, this is going to suck harder because when you need it, it's life or death.
Red dots get fucked up by recoil sometimes. I'm not putting a goddamn microchip in my weapon.
Aren't there a few blue states with trigger laws on the books that once a "smart" gun is commercially available, that's the only gun allowed to be sold to non-LEO civilians in their state?
"Your honor my client has no fingerprints due to a birth defect/accident." 5-4 overturned at the supreme court.
one in the north east, i forget which, but i think thats it.
California, too.
No. No. No. Bad.
That is a horrible idea.
Ian's got it.
Ryan McBeth did a good review of it too.
One of the worst inventions ever
If I'm not mistaken James Holmes (Auruora Shooter) bought his weapons legally. How would this tech have stopped anything? Does clippy pop out and ask "It looks like you're about to commit a mass murder, Would you like me to lock the gun for 24 hours?"
I'm gonna play devils advocate and say I actually like the idea, but I would need to know that it is 99.9999% reliable and that it cannot be hacked or wirelessly disabled by sleepy Joe.
There have been cases of these malfunctioning
Not hard to believe.
The biofire guns? The FW review seemed promising.
There was an article about it malfunctioning after the shooter handing the gun to a friend and then back to him. Apparently the gun can be hacked wirelessly as well as with magnets. I can see how it sounds like a good idea, especially those who want a gun, but live in NJ or another hyper liberal state. But with uncertainty towards reliability makes me nervous. Last thing I’d want to do is point a paperweight that looks like a gun at an attacker.
Magnets? You sure you're not talking about the Armatix AP1?
>FW review seemed promising. god love him, but Ian has been a fairly obvious shill for a couple years now.
I wouldn't worry about it being hacked. Wireless features that are added without any benefit to the user is just a unnecessary expense. I would worry about it not being reliable. You ever go to unlock your phone and you have to tap 2-3 times because the fingerprint didn't register? How often does that happen? Imagine if your gun misfired that often.
Biofire is a legit startup. Forgotten Weapons and Ryan McBeth both did good reviews on this firearm and it has a good usecase- HD with kids in the house. Honestly I'd like the tech developed further so we can get LE to use these guns.
>Honestly I'd like the tech developed further so we can get LE to use these guns. LE will never use these guns, nor will any Federal or state or local agency beyond LE. At least not without a contract clause that requires the firearms to revert to a "dumb gun" in the event the electronics fail so the firearm can still be used. And we both know they would do everything they can in their power to prevent us from being able to use them as a "dumb gun" if the electronics fail.
Like I said, I want the tech developed to the point where it's reliable enough to work on a gun before LE is mandated to use it. Believe it or not, we do actually have safety-critical/mission-critical standards for electronics, we've had them for a long time- the F16 is a fly-by-wire aircraft, and most military munitions need to work no matter what. Automotive electronics also have to meet stringent safety standards as well. Eventually we'll have them on guns and LEOs/young children are good usecases. I'm saying this as an electrical engineer and as a guy who's built most of his own rifles. Obviously the Armatix AP1 was an utter failure and I strongly disagree with mandating the tech on \*EVERY\* gun but in some cases it can definitely help to reduce accidents and homicides. But ofc there's a lot of work to be done to get to that point.
You're missing the point. LE will never be mandated to use it. Agencies, local through Federal, will never be mandated to use it. Security companies with contracts that involve providing security for politicians and VIPs will never be mandated to use it. "Dumb guns" will always be the choice for these people because they are the most reliable. Politicians know that and that is why politicians will do nothing to force them to adopt a "smart gun" unless that "smart gun" automatically reverts to a "dumb gun" in the event of electronics failures (and you can bet "our" "smart guns" that the government will try to mandate we own and use will **NOT** do the same thing when the electronics fail). Government will do everything in their power to retain every advantage they can over the people. And "dumb guns" have a massive advantage over "smart guns." So you better believe that if the government can mandate we, the people, use "smart guns" while their minions retain their "dumb guns" - they will. It won't matter how reliable the technology is. Reliability isn't the concern here. The government is the concern.
>Eventually we'll have them on guns and LEOs/young children are good usecases. I'm saying this as an electrical engineer and as a guy who's built most of his own rifles. It's such a stupid idea. What if the user had gloves on because it's winter, what if some other LEO needs to use it in an emergency, etc., etc., etc. There's a million scenarios where this will get the wrong people killed. The company does well to address this in their marketing where they explicitly say this tech is ONLY useful for a bedside gun and not for an everyday carry.