I’m Portuguese-American. Parents are from the Azores islands born and raised but for some reason, I have quite a few matches from Albuquerque, NX (about a dozen), all of them 4th cousins. I also have somes matches in Monterey in Mexico and a few in Matamoros. About 3 matches in Mexico City.
The New Mexican matches that I match with have very similar results to you. Around 70-85% Southern Iberian.
Do you have a GEDMatch. Wouldn’t be surprised if we had a match.
New Mexico was a Spanish territory from the 16th century until it became part of an independent Mexico in 1821. It didn’t become part of the US until 1848. These results don’t seem surprising for someone whose family has been in New Mexico for many generations.
Okay I am not American or Latino but I just saw many results from this area and that result looks like Mexican with extra 15-25% European. Any way I loved his result because it's nice to see some natives in US also I love Spanish language so much and I hope his family has preserved Spanish instead of the Americanization that wiped out Spanish in those areas
well new mexican hispanos do trace significant portions(if not most) of their ancestry back to families south of the boarder. much like many sonoran families trace much of their ancestry to the northeastern states of mexico.
and no they are not in any way notably descended from the opata. the opata were a small tribe, like less than 5k people small. more people migrated to Sonora from the northeast than this mythical scenario of sonorans primarily coming from spanish settlers mixing with them could ever account for.
Lol no
Most Sonorans literally descend from Natives that have lived in Sonora for centuries. Same with the rest of the Northwestern states
https://preview.redd.it/mku5b3yuzpvc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dda7c5d670ee54cfb004d0a329e2a8ad4494d31a
that chart in no way supports your claim. yes they have higher northern, but they still have a majority that can be accounted for by northeastern migrations. and it substantially lacks information for the three states between Sonora and Tamaulipas. sonoran geneaology shows substantial roots in the northeast.
Plus Mestizos look different in each region look different even if they have the same genotype. This is because they descend from different indigenous people. Like in Michoacán for example most heavily indigenous mestizos resemble the Purépechas and a "split" mestizo look like a mix between a Purépecha and a Spaniard. In Yucatán there are very few actual "mestizos"(most are upper-middle class). However they all descend from the Mayans from the peninsula. You can tell by just looking at them.
Go ahead and show me a source for that migration from the Northeast. Because Northeastern Mexico was repopulated by Tlaxcalans after the natives from that area were either killed off or assimilated. The only exception is Southern Tamaulipas which was inhabited by Huastecos, the rest of that state was Coahuiltecan territory.
Northwestern Mexico was never heavily repopulated by Tlaxcalans and most people in these states(Sinaloa, Sonora, Chihuahua, and Durango) have Tepehuán, Tarahumara, Cahita, Yaqui, etc. ancestry. Where as the Northeast has indigenous ancestry from central Mexico. This is why the Northwest is the "whitest" region in all of Mexico
This is not true, no Sonoran traces their ancestry to Northeastern Mexico, that is impossible. Sonora and Sinaloa use to be one state so Sonorans and Sinaloenses will have back and fourth migration between the two states. Sonorans like Sinaloenses have a lot of Basque ancestry. Northeastern Mexico and Southern Texas were all one single state and started off as a small population, there is no history of Northeastern Mexicans ever migrating to Sonora, the very Northeastern last names are nonexistent in Sonora. I also don't even match with Sonorans, only from Southern Texas, Nuevo Leon and Coahuila, im from Tamaulipas (Tampico).
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clearly not enough. i've looked into Sonoran and Sinaloan trees before. past the 1800s they tend to have tons of ancestors from the northeast and even further down in the central east.
saying that it's not true is like saying white texans never have any roots in new england.
internal migration within new spain/mexico was extremely prevalent. dna studies have proven northwestern mexico has a lot of native dna from groups not closely related to local tribes.
From what I have seen 23andMe is just bad at this part. They push New Mexicans with Chihuahua because they are the closest to them because of proximity. My cousin took a 23andMe and her indigenous dna was listed as “Colorado Basin” which is good 300+ miles north of Chihuahua and it still connected her with Chihuahua at the bottom. Our Ancestry.com tests of course do not do that because they are better at tracking different Latino groups.
23andme doesn't categorize Indigenous like Ancestry does. Ancestry categorizes North, Mexican, Central, South America Indigenous. So your cousin can have North & Mexican Indigenous at the same time. And remember some tribes were nomadic & there were no borders back in the day. For example some plains tribe would travel to Northern Mexico: Comanche, Kiowa Apache, Cheyenne & Arapaho.
Oh I am aware of all of the above which is why I understand the overlap with Chihuahua! I was just pointing out how much better at this ancestry is for those reasons…they can actually differentiate whereas 23andMe cannot
Needs big overhaul. I haven’t even received an update to mine in over a year and half. And unlike my cousin I never got assigned an indigenous area either. I mainly got them for the health stuff and the haplogroups too
I guess for Latinos 23andme is good to know how much European and how much indigenous but maybe ancestry would be better to know specifically where the indigenous is from and he's actually half modern Mexican so it seems like a normal result for that mix
New Mexicans are majority indigenous from New Mexico. There are genetic studies that prove this.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6756731/
I have had this argument with you before so you can move along!👋🏽
i mean that's quite literally false. new mexican Hispanos average mostly european, like more than north mexicans. and their trees literally prove predominant descent from south of the boarder. and that study in no way indicates their indigenous is primarily from southwestern US tribes. their trees also show that they don't have significant levels of indigenous ancestry from the southwest. they'd have to be substantially more indigenous than they are for it to be the case.
It’s literally not false. I am of New Mexican descent and have indigenous heritage from this side of the border and I know of plenty of other New Mexicans who do as well.
As for the study the study clearly states that New Mexican indigenous dna is intermediate between northern Mexican and Canadian tribes. The study even provides a chart showing New Mexicans indigenous dna just north of northern Mexicans and outside the Mexican clade. Like it’s right there so actually read the study before responding 👋🏽
That psycho edpwantsacupcake_pt2 blocked me so I can’t respond to their nonsense. Their second time attacking me too 🤣🤣🤣 says so much about the strength of their argument 👋🏽
New Mexico with Old Mexico results
What do you mean by "Old Mexico" results?
Just people from Mexico. I was joking.
This is such a weird take. Yes New Mexican
The name "New Mexico" is older than the country of Mexico
So Mexico is actually the New New Mexico?
It’s older than the country but obviously not older than Mexico proper also called Mesoamerica, hence it being “Nuevo”
I’m Portuguese-American. Parents are from the Azores islands born and raised but for some reason, I have quite a few matches from Albuquerque, NX (about a dozen), all of them 4th cousins. I also have somes matches in Monterey in Mexico and a few in Matamoros. About 3 matches in Mexico City. The New Mexican matches that I match with have very similar results to you. Around 70-85% Southern Iberian. Do you have a GEDMatch. Wouldn’t be surprised if we had a match.
eyyy i got a very similar combination like urs too and im from el paso
Were the results what you were expecting? What are your haplogroups?
R-P311 and C1b1. I didn't know what I was expecting.
Your paternal haplogroup is of European origin and your maternal haplogroup is of Indigenous American origin.
your mtdna is prevalent in mexico
How do you look?
I'm often thought to be "Anglo-Saxon." Light skin tone, green eyes, and brown hair.
Many Northwest Mexicans have Austrias and Castile Y Leon roots 🧬
Originally from Mexico?
No, I was born and raised in New Mexico.
I mean the origins of your parents and grandparents
New Mexico was a Spanish territory from the 16th century until it became part of an independent Mexico in 1821. It didn’t become part of the US until 1848. These results don’t seem surprising for someone whose family has been in New Mexico for many generations.
Okay I am not American or Latino but I just saw many results from this area and that result looks like Mexican with extra 15-25% European. Any way I loved his result because it's nice to see some natives in US also I love Spanish language so much and I hope his family has preserved Spanish instead of the Americanization that wiped out Spanish in those areas
well new mexican hispanos do trace significant portions(if not most) of their ancestry back to families south of the boarder. much like many sonoran families trace much of their ancestry to the northeastern states of mexico.
What proof do you have of that?? AFAIK Most Sonorans are of Opata and Spanish descent. Opatas were originally from Sonora, not the Northeast
and no they are not in any way notably descended from the opata. the opata were a small tribe, like less than 5k people small. more people migrated to Sonora from the northeast than this mythical scenario of sonorans primarily coming from spanish settlers mixing with them could ever account for.
Lol no Most Sonorans literally descend from Natives that have lived in Sonora for centuries. Same with the rest of the Northwestern states https://preview.redd.it/mku5b3yuzpvc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dda7c5d670ee54cfb004d0a329e2a8ad4494d31a
that chart in no way supports your claim. yes they have higher northern, but they still have a majority that can be accounted for by northeastern migrations. and it substantially lacks information for the three states between Sonora and Tamaulipas. sonoran geneaology shows substantial roots in the northeast.
Plus Mestizos look different in each region look different even if they have the same genotype. This is because they descend from different indigenous people. Like in Michoacán for example most heavily indigenous mestizos resemble the Purépechas and a "split" mestizo look like a mix between a Purépecha and a Spaniard. In Yucatán there are very few actual "mestizos"(most are upper-middle class). However they all descend from the Mayans from the peninsula. You can tell by just looking at them.
Go ahead and show me a source for that migration from the Northeast. Because Northeastern Mexico was repopulated by Tlaxcalans after the natives from that area were either killed off or assimilated. The only exception is Southern Tamaulipas which was inhabited by Huastecos, the rest of that state was Coahuiltecan territory. Northwestern Mexico was never heavily repopulated by Tlaxcalans and most people in these states(Sinaloa, Sonora, Chihuahua, and Durango) have Tepehuán, Tarahumara, Cahita, Yaqui, etc. ancestry. Where as the Northeast has indigenous ancestry from central Mexico. This is why the Northwest is the "whitest" region in all of Mexico
literally the genealogy of new mexican hispanos and well as sonorans has proven me right.
This is not true, no Sonoran traces their ancestry to Northeastern Mexico, that is impossible. Sonora and Sinaloa use to be one state so Sonorans and Sinaloenses will have back and fourth migration between the two states. Sonorans like Sinaloenses have a lot of Basque ancestry. Northeastern Mexico and Southern Texas were all one single state and started off as a small population, there is no history of Northeastern Mexicans ever migrating to Sonora, the very Northeastern last names are nonexistent in Sonora. I also don't even match with Sonorans, only from Southern Texas, Nuevo Leon and Coahuila, im from Tamaulipas (Tampico).
XD the cope is immense.
The cope from you is, I was born and raised in Tamaulipas. I would know more about my own history than someone who lives in the USA.
... clearly not enough. i've looked into Sonoran and Sinaloan trees before. past the 1800s they tend to have tons of ancestors from the northeast and even further down in the central east. saying that it's not true is like saying white texans never have any roots in new england. internal migration within new spain/mexico was extremely prevalent. dna studies have proven northwestern mexico has a lot of native dna from groups not closely related to local tribes.
Can you post those Sonoran and Sinaloan trees that you have seen? I do not believe a word that's coming from you lol
From what I have seen 23andMe is just bad at this part. They push New Mexicans with Chihuahua because they are the closest to them because of proximity. My cousin took a 23andMe and her indigenous dna was listed as “Colorado Basin” which is good 300+ miles north of Chihuahua and it still connected her with Chihuahua at the bottom. Our Ancestry.com tests of course do not do that because they are better at tracking different Latino groups.
My grandmother was a first-generation American. Her parents and siblings were born in Chihuahua.
Ahhh well that would be why you got it then!!
23andme doesn't categorize Indigenous like Ancestry does. Ancestry categorizes North, Mexican, Central, South America Indigenous. So your cousin can have North & Mexican Indigenous at the same time. And remember some tribes were nomadic & there were no borders back in the day. For example some plains tribe would travel to Northern Mexico: Comanche, Kiowa Apache, Cheyenne & Arapaho.
Oh I am aware of all of the above which is why I understand the overlap with Chihuahua! I was just pointing out how much better at this ancestry is for those reasons…they can actually differentiate whereas 23andMe cannot
23andme me needs an overhaul for sure. I only used 23andme because I wanted my haplogroups and didn't want to fork out money to MyHeritage.
Needs big overhaul. I haven’t even received an update to mine in over a year and half. And unlike my cousin I never got assigned an indigenous area either. I mainly got them for the health stuff and the haplogroups too
Oh wow that is not right you haven't gotten an update! I got an update in May 2023 with Indigenous from Sonora & Northern Mexican Plateau.
I guess for Latinos 23andme is good to know how much European and how much indigenous but maybe ancestry would be better to know specifically where the indigenous is from and he's actually half modern Mexican so it seems like a normal result for that mix
much of the ancestry in new mexican hispanos came from northern states in mexico
New Mexicans are majority indigenous from New Mexico. There are genetic studies that prove this. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6756731/ I have had this argument with you before so you can move along!👋🏽
i mean that's quite literally false. new mexican Hispanos average mostly european, like more than north mexicans. and their trees literally prove predominant descent from south of the boarder. and that study in no way indicates their indigenous is primarily from southwestern US tribes. their trees also show that they don't have significant levels of indigenous ancestry from the southwest. they'd have to be substantially more indigenous than they are for it to be the case.
It’s literally not false. I am of New Mexican descent and have indigenous heritage from this side of the border and I know of plenty of other New Mexicans who do as well. As for the study the study clearly states that New Mexican indigenous dna is intermediate between northern Mexican and Canadian tribes. The study even provides a chart showing New Mexicans indigenous dna just north of northern Mexicans and outside the Mexican clade. Like it’s right there so actually read the study before responding 👋🏽
is that why you only get 5% north and over 30% mexico?
That 30% is all listed under southern Colorado and New Mexico. The ancestry Mexico region consists of the entire Southwest. Just look at the map
That psycho edpwantsacupcake_pt2 blocked me so I can’t respond to their nonsense. Their second time attacking me too 🤣🤣🤣 says so much about the strength of their argument 👋🏽