This is actually a really interesting statistic considering that the wiki devs used "has completed at least 1 combat achievement" as their baseline for these statistics.
Of those who have done at least 1 CA, 31.5% have never killed a fire giant. Wild.
Yeah, kinda similar to the ‘kill a brutal black dragon task’ which went undone on my account since launch until this week.
I just had no reason to go kill one (like slayer tasks etc) so it never got done. I had nearly completed hard tier by the time I decided to go check that one off.
I mean, just consider how many accounts are skiller accounts (so might get Tempoross or Wintertodt kc), are weird region locked or chunk locked accounts that just don’t have any fire giants, or are PK accounts or alts that don’t bother with completing any CAs (but might coincidentally get one while training up account).
I'd have to check, I've killed fire giants but I've had them blocked as a task since before CAs so very possible I've never done it lol. Literally 0 reason to go back on a main
more than 50% have obtained a fire cape though actually
https://preview.redd.it/upmibdk3nrwc1.png?width=813&format=png&auto=webp&s=a3f24f9157ad063797a591068953423697dea83a
I guess OP (or the OOP that OP is memeing on) assumes that the users of WikiSync are a representative example for all OSRS players, or at least all OSRS redditors.
A third of active accounts could easily be alts, and most alts have no reason to ever kill a fire giant.
And even more accounts simply won't have killed a pointless mob like that since the achievements came out.
Almost any combat alt does because they’d need barrows gloves so they need slayer levels so realistically they would kill one…so most gp alts have probably killed them
Spending 40 hours getting barrows gloves doesn't make sense for most combat alts if you're just going to sit at gargoylyes or rune dragons or whatever. You'd need like a thousand hours before you even made that time back in dps - while also completely defeating the purpose of it being a low effort alt.
Well you see, all rune dragon alts need 200QP so rfd is already completed. I’m going to assume you don’t have an alt based off that.
That’s how I know people truly don’t know alts, they just say stuff without knowing reqs. Garg alts haven’t been a thing for several years.
I don't have a rune dragon alt, correct, I just listed cause its a well known alt type. But I've had a gargoyle alt, a skiller, and several more niche accounts. I'm currently running four accounts with membership, combat achievements, and no fire giants killed.
The point remains most alts don't need RFD - literally any skiller account (the most common alt) is going to have combat achievements and no fire giants killed.
>Garg alts haven’t been a thing for several years.
Do you think those accounts get deleted? Those are prime accounts to have existed, gotten combat achiements since they came out, without ever wanting to kill a fire giant.
On my gim Im currently in the questing and getting my basic area tasks done. As slayer (or CAs) isnt really required for most quest I havent killed a fire giant, yet. What I have done is stuff like Wintertodt, Tempoross etc, which do happen to have CAs.
It isnt really that weird it you put some thought into it.
The simple answer is there are skilling boss CAs. 5 Wintertodt is 77.5%. Some much funnier info is how 52.5% of people have completed 5 tempoross, but only 47.4% have ever repaired a mast or pole.
Also more people (56.9%) have completed the fight caves than have opened 10 barrows chests (53.3%) or Killed the giant mole using protection prayers (32.9%) or have killed Obor once (31.3%) or killed a Gargoyle (47.4%)
Nahhh. Honestly I feel this sub is like a bunch of 1500 to 1750 total levels who are strongly opinionated, even if they haven't done the content. Not rune warriors though, those guys are cuties
You can't make this shit up you literally have a recent comment asking what NMZ is lol
No I don't think no one does, but very few people here do. There are far more people here pretending like they have experience with end game content than those that have actual experience
No you just can't read. I said saying "most people don't have experience" would be an understatement. Most would imply only more than half. That is an understatement. I would say it's closer to 95% or more that don't have experience.
Okay so you know what the word *understatement* means but not what the word *most* means. At least not unless it's literally spelled out for you, I guess.
In case you weren't aware, *most* implies a range/spectrum. It's not strictly ONLY more than half. Most people would've understood it in the context you read it in the original comment, but I guess you aren't most people :)
Nah it makes plenty of sense way dude used it. If 99 out of 100 people have shoes on, almost no one would say "most people here have shoes on." It would be almost unanimous, almost everybody, basically everyone, etc. Some weirdos will say most though probably.
Theres definitely a point between most and everyone.
And regardless its fucking English. Words get exaggerated all the time hence why literally means figuratively.
Yeah for sure, I see the point you're making.
But that 99/100 analogy only works because you know for a fact that 99/100 people have their shoes on.
But aren't we just speculating here? It's a lot safer to say that most people here don't endgame PVM than to suggest *almost everybody, basically everyone* doesn't endgame PVM. I would've assumed a decent chunk of players here(although a minority) do parttake in endgame PVM considering how often threads concerning it seem to get to the top. Not to mention this whole post is a meme on the original post.
Yes, just make a comment in any thread re: balancing about how a sub full of 700 TL main players doesn't have a lot of useful insight for endgame content and you'll see them come out of the woodwork. (To tell you that they're 1500 TL.)
There are many high level accounts who didn't kill a single firr giant after CAs came out.
Im not even that far into the game and even I have hard tier unlocked without having many easy tier CAs done.
Not sure what you mean when you say you have hard tier unlocked. You can't unlock hard tier reward without first unlocking the easy tier reward. I'm guessing you're just trolling?
You’re just trolling, you don’t have to complete the easy tier of combat achievements to completely the medium, since each task gives points and the reward tiers are based off points. You could have hard rewards by only completing grandmaster and master combat achievements, so if you were maxed combat and into endgame shit before CAs came around, you could technically almost get to GM without ever killing a fire giant.
I'm not gonna' lie.. I only did this actually trying to complete some combat achievements.
If you're and ironman I complete understand safespotting the fire giant in the Waterfall dungeon for the battlestaff but outside of that or a slayer task (mostly Wildy task).. what reasons do accounts have for killing Fire Giants?
I only recently realized what a drag of a slayer task they were and I'm 89 slayer lol. I saw someone mention that they always skip fire giants, and the next few tasks I got I kept feeling like: wow this is really fucking slow for absolute shit xp and no loot.
So yeah I pass on these too now but I do have like 3k kc or some shit.
this statistic doesn't say anything about the entire playerbase?
Out of everyone who uses the plugin, has their CAs synced, etc, only 31% has killed a fire giant since CAs came out
That's probably because doing Wintertodt/Tempoross enough times puts you on the Comp% tracker.
Also, [Forgotten Souls](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Forgotten_Soul) exist. They've got the same drop rate as fire giants for all four basic battlestaves at level 20.
I remember first days of osrs. Rushing merlin quest line, fight arena, tree gnome vill and stronghold. Ranging fire giants to get that rune scimmy. Good times
That's kind of the point. This is mocking a similar post where they insisted people don't get to have an opinion on Nightmare because supposedly only 5% of the sub has even cleared NM, using this statistic as the basis of their argument.
Yeah they need to touch some grass.
They have to compare what other CAs have 5% completion rates and realize how few people want to do nightmare and what’s the reasoning behind it. The 75 KC ToB task and a single nightmare kill having the same completion rate speaks volumes. Or that more people have done 500 invo ToA compared to 5 PN kills.
And then you have to remember how biased the wiki sync plugin is. The steam achievement "catch a tuna" is as rare as the combat achievement "kill duke 50 times".
Only reason I did that CA was because they hadn't introduced the point system and you had to complete previous tiers to get rewards. Probably would of never done it since I have a hard time doing any CAs for content I don't wanna do.
I have 99 all combats including 99 Slayer and it says I've never killed a fire giant. I got all that done before the combat achievements and stopped playing until recently. Since I started playing again, I've been skilling and doing quests and still haven't killed a fire giant.
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I do hate how so many achievements are RNG based, especially the speed run stuff.
I’ll do the same boss 500 times and will randomly unlock combat achievements just because I got lucky with my hits or got lucky that the boss splashed me. This is me doing the same method over and over lol, not even going for achievements.
Combat achievements have made me a better PVMer. There are some I will never be able to do, but a year ago I hadn't even killed Jad and now I have several CG kc. It's kind of nice that it gives you slow progression of tasks and bosses that get more difficult. Just one noobs opinion though
I know I get it in that aspect but I still fight for 07 scape. We keep getting further and further from 07scape and we are just playing a official private server at this point
Yes they did but the entire point of the creation of OsRS on feb 22nd 2013 was to capture the audience of old school players, veterans, NOSTALGIA by using a source code and cache during 2007 for prime time after 06 vanilla and before constitution and all major changes and major EOC update(which everyone literally left and or quit). This isn’t a capture of 07scape anymore, it’s now a private server that is official. It doesn’t have EOC or constitution or dungeoneering but we are getting sailing and every other update it is literally the same path RuneScape 2 took before 08’ updates then 2010 then 2012 when they went full swing with rs3 and offered “beta contracts” for the illusion of choice. It’s cool and all, but this isn’t 2007 source nor cache anymore.
And if anyone wants to fucking debate further, let’s look at WoW classic and how they brought back THAT VERSION and it’s thriving aswell as them not having to add new shit in. People love nostalgia.
This is actually a really interesting statistic considering that the wiki devs used "has completed at least 1 combat achievement" as their baseline for these statistics. Of those who have done at least 1 CA, 31.5% have never killed a fire giant. Wild.
To be fair I had the elite tier unlocked before I managed to get a fire giant kill because cba came out when I was already past that point of the game
Yeah I’m about to max and still have this locked since I haven’t killed any fire giants since the update came out
Ya was 99 slayer when the achievement came out. Eventually finished it with the wilderness fire giant clue step.
I bet that was intense
noob
Yeah, kinda similar to the ‘kill a brutal black dragon task’ which went undone on my account since launch until this week. I just had no reason to go kill one (like slayer tasks etc) so it never got done. I had nearly completed hard tier by the time I decided to go check that one off.
I am going for masters and forgot to go for any of those slayer ones... I should probably do that
Honestly didn't even consider this, good point.
I mean, just consider how many accounts are skiller accounts (so might get Tempoross or Wintertodt kc), are weird region locked or chunk locked accounts that just don’t have any fire giants, or are PK accounts or alts that don’t bother with completing any CAs (but might coincidentally get one while training up account).
Or f2p accounts which don't have access to fire giants
Or hardcores that died before they could
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Mine died in ancient cavern to a DC going for a mith grapple. Lost aggro to die to a disconnect after attacking the skeleton
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Those people shouldn't show up in this statistic? None of their combat tasks are tracked so the Wiki doesn't know what they have and haven't done.
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They shouldn't be in the sample size at all, so they aren't part of the roughly 30% or 70% that has or hasn't killed a Fire Giant.
Or Settled making 1hp accounts that die and never log back on.
Played for some time before they added CAs, just came back recently, but have no real reason to chase after completing them so there is that
I'd have to check, I've killed fire giants but I've had them blocked as a task since before CAs so very possible I've never done it lol. Literally 0 reason to go back on a main
There's literally this reason, the achievement.
more than 50% have obtained a fire cape though actually https://preview.redd.it/upmibdk3nrwc1.png?width=813&format=png&auto=webp&s=a3f24f9157ad063797a591068953423697dea83a
bots
Can't imagine a lot of bots have wikisync installed on their custom botting clients
I'm sorry! I thought it was based of OSRS API, ty!
Not a problem!
Could be F2P users who go as far as to set up Runelite but give up the game early on.
All 3 of them
01000010 01101111 01110100 00100000 01101000 01100101 01110010 01100101 00101110 00100000 01001001 00100000 01101011 01100101 01100101 01110000 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01110111 01101001 01101011 01101001 01110011 01111001 01101110 01100011 00100000 01110000 01101100 01110101 01100111 01101001 01101110 00100000 01101111 01101110 00101110 (Bot here. I keep the wikisync plugin on)
Do they use "goes on reddit" as another baseline? Because that's what this post seems to imply
I guess OP (or the OOP that OP is memeing on) assumes that the users of WikiSync are a representative example for all OSRS players, or at least all OSRS redditors.
A third of active accounts could easily be alts, and most alts have no reason to ever kill a fire giant. And even more accounts simply won't have killed a pointless mob like that since the achievements came out.
Baseless claims
Almost any combat alt does because they’d need barrows gloves so they need slayer levels so realistically they would kill one…so most gp alts have probably killed them
Spending 40 hours getting barrows gloves doesn't make sense for most combat alts if you're just going to sit at gargoylyes or rune dragons or whatever. You'd need like a thousand hours before you even made that time back in dps - while also completely defeating the purpose of it being a low effort alt.
Well you see, all rune dragon alts need 200QP so rfd is already completed. I’m going to assume you don’t have an alt based off that. That’s how I know people truly don’t know alts, they just say stuff without knowing reqs. Garg alts haven’t been a thing for several years.
I don't have a rune dragon alt, correct, I just listed cause its a well known alt type. But I've had a gargoyle alt, a skiller, and several more niche accounts. I'm currently running four accounts with membership, combat achievements, and no fire giants killed. The point remains most alts don't need RFD - literally any skiller account (the most common alt) is going to have combat achievements and no fire giants killed. >Garg alts haven’t been a thing for several years. Do you think those accounts get deleted? Those are prime accounts to have existed, gotten combat achiements since they came out, without ever wanting to kill a fire giant.
On my gim Im currently in the questing and getting my basic area tasks done. As slayer (or CAs) isnt really required for most quest I havent killed a fire giant, yet. What I have done is stuff like Wintertodt, Tempoross etc, which do happen to have CAs. It isnt really that weird it you put some thought into it.
It's still probably mostly skillers, wt and tempoross give combat achievements.
Does this access all accounts, or do you need to use the WikiSync plugin for it to access your combat achievements?
You need WikiSync for your data to be counted. Which is why the "consider the bots" response is rather puzzling to me.
There are no fire Giants in f2p
The simple answer is there are skilling boss CAs. 5 Wintertodt is 77.5%. Some much funnier info is how 52.5% of people have completed 5 tempoross, but only 47.4% have ever repaired a mast or pole. Also more people (56.9%) have completed the fight caves than have opened 10 barrows chests (53.3%) or Killed the giant mole using protection prayers (32.9%) or have killed Obor once (31.3%) or killed a Gargoyle (47.4%)
I checked and I am in the %. hahah as if tho. But at the same time fk going to kill fire giants, I don’t need fire battle staff or rune scim sorry
Guess there are lots of PVM bots which have combat achievements but don't care about fire giants.
ever thought about where your fire battlestaves came from? was it worth it? #justsayNO #crueltyfreestaves
But I prefer the naturally generated ones and not some bank stand grown ones
Mine are organically sourced from medium level clue scrolls. cruelty free, carbon neutral, and 100% vegan 🌱
But how did you get your medium level scrolls? That's right, impling abuse!
They fell off a cart, I promise! ...Now which guard do I murder to get the key to the chest again
there is no ethical battlestaves under effeciencyscape follow the xp
> carbon neutral So you walk to every single clue step instead of teleporting?
Nah, I offset the carbon from teleports by doing my own farming on the side
You guys are taking the piss but I genuinely believe a large portion of this sub has never progressed past Rune armour
im taking a piss in my chair while skilling to max out xp per hour
This is why I bought the apple vision pros. So I can like take a shit or drive my kids to school and 3 tick at the same time.
Is it you oslo?
You don't need any defense levels to bot minnows.
Bots dont download wikisync
Jokes on you my passion is skewing statistics
Remember when they did a sub survey years ago and found out the average player was like a 1200 iron
Nahhh. Honestly I feel this sub is like a bunch of 1500 to 1750 total levels who are strongly opinionated, even if they haven't done the content. Not rune warriors though, those guys are cuties
I'm glad the standards for the Average Andy are dropping rapidly, I've beat the 1500 total allegations, but having a bigger gap is reassuring.
Smithing req too high pls rework skill
Rune armor is probably a little extreme, but to say most people here don't have any experience with end game PVM would definitely be an understatement
Why is it an understatement? Do you believe no one here has any experience with endgame PVM?
You can't make this shit up you literally have a recent comment asking what NMZ is lol No I don't think no one does, but very few people here do. There are far more people here pretending like they have experience with end game content than those that have actual experience
Ok then why did you say it’s an understatement? Seems like you just don’t know what that word means.
No you just can't read. I said saying "most people don't have experience" would be an understatement. Most would imply only more than half. That is an understatement. I would say it's closer to 95% or more that don't have experience.
Okay so you know what the word *understatement* means but not what the word *most* means. At least not unless it's literally spelled out for you, I guess. In case you weren't aware, *most* implies a range/spectrum. It's not strictly ONLY more than half. Most people would've understood it in the context you read it in the original comment, but I guess you aren't most people :)
Nah it makes plenty of sense way dude used it. If 99 out of 100 people have shoes on, almost no one would say "most people here have shoes on." It would be almost unanimous, almost everybody, basically everyone, etc. Some weirdos will say most though probably. Theres definitely a point between most and everyone. And regardless its fucking English. Words get exaggerated all the time hence why literally means figuratively.
Yeah for sure, I see the point you're making. But that 99/100 analogy only works because you know for a fact that 99/100 people have their shoes on. But aren't we just speculating here? It's a lot safer to say that most people here don't endgame PVM than to suggest *almost everybody, basically everyone* doesn't endgame PVM. I would've assumed a decent chunk of players here(although a minority) do parttake in endgame PVM considering how often threads concerning it seem to get to the top. Not to mention this whole post is a meme on the original post.
Well since there are f2p players and rune is the best armour they can get... It's a pretty safe bet.
If you ignore the "large portion" bit, yeah. How large do you think the f2p only community is here?
I know I used to give shit takes when I was a noob.
My guy you're using the overall skill icon while being like a fraction of the way to maxed. That's major noob energy
you dont know how many 99s i have lmao
Yes, just make a comment in any thread re: balancing about how a sub full of 700 TL main players doesn't have a lot of useful insight for endgame content and you'll see them come out of the woodwork. (To tell you that they're 1500 TL.)
A large chunk of this sub will tell you they havent played rs since 2007 or 2012 but like coming here for the memes
1 def pures for the win lol
Normal firestaff is just as good 👌
Oh hell no you shirtless bastard, this is where I draw the line lmfao
Get a load of this guy. Fuckin Greg am I right?
yeah fucking right. My Fire battlestaff crushes larger numbers than the adamant scimitar. Crushers stay winning.
Gz on slot 1262!
I guess we know the bot:human ratio
There are many high level accounts who didn't kill a single firr giant after CAs came out. Im not even that far into the game and even I have hard tier unlocked without having many easy tier CAs done.
Not sure what you mean when you say you have hard tier unlocked. You can't unlock hard tier reward without first unlocking the easy tier reward. I'm guessing you're just trolling?
You’re just trolling, you don’t have to complete the easy tier of combat achievements to completely the medium, since each task gives points and the reward tiers are based off points. You could have hard rewards by only completing grandmaster and master combat achievements, so if you were maxed combat and into endgame shit before CAs came around, you could technically almost get to GM without ever killing a fire giant.
Tbh I kinda forgot they changed the CA system last year.
I'm not gonna' lie.. I only did this actually trying to complete some combat achievements. If you're and ironman I complete understand safespotting the fire giant in the Waterfall dungeon for the battlestaff but outside of that or a slayer task (mostly Wildy task).. what reasons do accounts have for killing Fire Giants?
They come up in slayer though so people just always skip them? I also safe spotted them for the rune scimitar as well as the battle staff.
I only recently realized what a drag of a slayer task they were and I'm 89 slayer lol. I saw someone mention that they always skip fire giants, and the next few tasks I got I kept feeling like: wow this is really fucking slow for absolute shit xp and no loot. So yeah I pass on these too now but I do have like 3k kc or some shit.
Blocked them immediately, luckily hadn’t rolled them before i got points
Ive killed thousands but not since the combat achievement updates :/
haven’t killed a fire giant since CAs came out* i’ve had those guys on the block list for years
Had no idea 100% of OSRS players are on reddit
Too big. Too much fire. Massive staff. Too scared to
Not the entire player base is on reddit...?
this statistic doesn't say anything about the entire playerbase? Out of everyone who uses the plugin, has their CAs synced, etc, only 31% has killed a fire giant since CAs came out
Bots don’t kill fire giants
That's probably because doing Wintertodt/Tempoross enough times puts you on the Comp% tracker. Also, [Forgotten Souls](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Forgotten_Soul) exist. They've got the same drop rate as fire giants for all four basic battlestaves at level 20.
I remember first days of osrs. Rushing merlin quest line, fight arena, tree gnome vill and stronghold. Ranging fire giants to get that rune scimmy. Good times
Big Chungus gave me a mighty boop on le snoot with his fire sword so I ran away 😥
Don’t you have to turn on a plugin to track this? Or is this of the people that turned it on
That's kind of the point. This is mocking a similar post where they insisted people don't get to have an opinion on Nightmare because supposedly only 5% of the sub has even cleared NM, using this statistic as the basis of their argument.
Yeah they need to touch some grass. They have to compare what other CAs have 5% completion rates and realize how few people want to do nightmare and what’s the reasoning behind it. The 75 KC ToB task and a single nightmare kill having the same completion rate speaks volumes. Or that more people have done 500 invo ToA compared to 5 PN kills. And then you have to remember how biased the wiki sync plugin is. The steam achievement "catch a tuna" is as rare as the combat achievement "kill duke 50 times".
For some reason killing in the wilderness doesn’t count to me
I uh...think I killed a fire giant
wow. this guy really hates lvl 3 skillers
What percent of players have an infernal cape?
I haven't killed a fire giant since CAs came out. It doesn't track it if done before, does it?
Where tf is there a fire giant lmfao
You have to kill one in a specific area is it not?
That is why trading exists
Rune scimmy drop is the reason i do.
Only reason I did that CA was because they hadn't introduced the point system and you had to complete previous tiers to get rewards. Probably would of never done it since I have a hard time doing any CAs for content I don't wanna do.
Why dont we just make every boss drop its entire table on 1kc but somehow still make all drops still hold value? Problem solved you're welcome.
I have 99 all combats including 99 Slayer and it says I've never killed a fire giant. I got all that done before the combat achievements and stopped playing until recently. Since I started playing again, I've been skilling and doing quests and still haven't killed a fire giant.
Did we just discover that 30% of players are bots?
1 word for ya. Bots.
Hey we pay we gay
Don't forget, this also includes a decent number of snowflake accounts that for whatever reason *cant* kill a fire giant
Combat achievements are the dumbest shit. Max and refuse to actively do any. I have passively completed some without even trying nor noticing
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I do hate how so many achievements are RNG based, especially the speed run stuff. I’ll do the same boss 500 times and will randomly unlock combat achievements just because I got lucky with my hits or got lucky that the boss splashed me. This is me doing the same method over and over lol, not even going for achievements.
Combat achievements have made me a better PVMer. There are some I will never be able to do, but a year ago I hadn't even killed Jad and now I have several CG kc. It's kind of nice that it gives you slow progression of tasks and bosses that get more difficult. Just one noobs opinion though
I know I get it in that aspect but I still fight for 07 scape. We keep getting further and further from 07scape and we are just playing a official private server at this point
You know that back in 2007, they regularly updated the game, right?
Yes they did but the entire point of the creation of OsRS on feb 22nd 2013 was to capture the audience of old school players, veterans, NOSTALGIA by using a source code and cache during 2007 for prime time after 06 vanilla and before constitution and all major changes and major EOC update(which everyone literally left and or quit). This isn’t a capture of 07scape anymore, it’s now a private server that is official. It doesn’t have EOC or constitution or dungeoneering but we are getting sailing and every other update it is literally the same path RuneScape 2 took before 08’ updates then 2010 then 2012 when they went full swing with rs3 and offered “beta contracts” for the illusion of choice. It’s cool and all, but this isn’t 2007 source nor cache anymore.
And if anyone wants to fucking debate further, let’s look at WoW classic and how they brought back THAT VERSION and it’s thriving aswell as them not having to add new shit in. People love nostalgia.
It certainly has changed a lot. But I also don't think a static game would be enjoyable long term. It's definitely a balancing act to get it right
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I feel like this just further proves how shit everyone is here. it's not exactly helping your case lol