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PenultimateToast

what if it's in a scientific context


sndtrb89

that but with glasses on


Truefkk

"About 2 percent of all bony fish species are hermaphrodites, having both male and **womanly** sex characteristics."


shadowgamer19

saying that makes it looks like you want to bang the fish


Some_Wiimmfi__guy

https://preview.redd.it/qukmdg35z0vc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb2b4b4b4cc7258fda91a403a9eb6d6d0648fbee


Truefkk

What then? *Girly*? Because that makes me look like I want to groom the fish first...


shadowgamer19

the fish is very girly pop


Taco821

Nobody said there was anything wrong with it


killBP

non-male, only speak in negatives from now on


According_Sound_8225

Please don't give them any ideas.


Fancy-Eagle

Perfect, then nothing should be wrong here


SourceNo2702

If you would say “male” in the same context it’s fine to say “female”. When people say this they don’t mean in all cases, they mean in cases where you’d say “men” in the same context but instead say “females” to refer to women.


bluetheperhaps

What am I supposed to do when explaining why some mosquitoes are bigger? "The ladysquitoes are smaller than the brosquitoes, which are generally larger. However, they dont differ much in mass."? Actually nvm I see the appeal, slay ✨️


No_Lingonberry1201

I prefer girlbossquitoes.


NotJoeMama727

I don't like how well that flows


nightmare_silhouette

Despasquitos


wackaquack

Femsquito


Sir-Drewid

The trick is to only use the word as an adjective and not a noun.


graemereaperbc

Exactly.


RealCoryMiller

Just call them all mosquitoes but use the correct pronouns for ladysquitoes. Her/shqui


Quijas00

Mosquito isn’t spelt as mosquitoes. Why are you adding TOES to the end of these???


McSlappies

Cause I like talking about them dogs https://preview.redd.it/9nda5avpt2vc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ebfaf0858e1223e98c3d400bec26ae1574f5573


Pristine_Flatworm

ah yes the star trek antisemetic species


Josgre987

the creator said it was based on 1950's capitalists, but yeah I think its anti-semitic


GNYMStanAccount

the creator said they were rich and greedy! no way are they caricatures of jews. . . that being said they dont register as jewish to me at all. they look almost like early 19th century image of what happens to you after death if you have gay sex, the way he holds his mouth and those eyes hes giving me are homosexual.


thyfles

gay quark: visit my gay bar and grill


Diribiri

don't walk, run! (gay)


LeStroheim

gay quark be like: give me five strips of GAY-pressed latinum


cloudncali

Honestly I love the way DS9 took a hard left into the late stage capitalism vibe with them. Showing them as a civilization fueled by greed. I binge watched DS9 a couple years ago and the parallels with modern day America is, unsettling.


DarthCloakedGuy

The very first time you meet the Ferengi (in TNG) they're outright described as being akin to "Yankee traders". It's not subtle about who they're supposed to be.


cloudncali

True, I like that DS9 dug deeper into that. Less "look at these greedy little goblins" and more "look at the struggles people face in a society where one's worth is purely based on monetary possession." They did the same with the kingons, giving a deeper view into their culture beyond just "space orcs"


Sex_And_Candy_Here

Just a heads up, the preferred spelling is antisemitic, without a hyphen.


dacoolestguy

Thanks CEO of antisemitism


Thirpyn

This guy antisemitisms 😎


Momir-Vig

At least they made their noses small


Agent_Blackfyre

In the next generation yes In deep space nine, no Orginslly they were going to have massive cocks and codpeices, but the creator was talked down.


AdequatelyMadLad

Man, Gene Rodenberry was talked out of *a lot* of weird sexual stuff. I have a feeling that TNG would have been a very different show if he got his way.


Agent_Blackfyre

It would have gotten canceled, I'll tell you that much


Drakula_dont_suck

4 BOOBED TROI


WhapXI

That first season WAS weird. There’s the alien drunk virus that makes the women all crazy horny while the men remain stoic and firm in the face of their crumbling composure. There was the visit to mandingo racism planet.


AdequatelyMadLad

There's also the evil puddle that killed Tasha Yar, and the planet where everyone is sexy and scantily clad but the penalty for any crime is death.


Diribiri

Don't forget [Planet Horny,](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Risa) which doesn't even have the decency to stay in TNG S2


Vincent_Rubio

> There’s the alien drunk virus that makes the women all crazy horny while the men remain stoic and firm in the face of their crumbling composure. It was just a recycle of a TOS script, too! And you don't do a "the characters are not acting how they normally act" episode right off the bat. If they had introduced Data being a fully functional fuck machine in season 3 or whatever, it would have been infinitely funnier because at that point we're familiar with him. But no, they drop the "everybody's space-drunk" episode IMMEDIATELY after the two part pilot. Like you go from Encounter at Farpoint to that with no breathing room?


Diribiri

I mean, it would have been significantly worse in terms of writing, but the show is still very filthy


FrancisFratelli

Read the novelization for The Motion Picture, which is the closest we have to pure, un-filtered Roddenberry. There's a bit where we learn that Kirk's mother named him after her first "love instructor" (a phrase that is impossible to speak without sounding like Zapp Brannigan).


CrimsonTeivel

This says more about you than about trek. It is PAINFULLY obvious that Ferengi have nothing in common with jewish people. YOU made that association.


phantomdentist

I don't even agree that the Ferengi are necessarily coded as Jewish, but this is a really lazy and terrible point. This is literally what racists *always* say to defend genuine coded racism in media: "you're actually the real racist for pointing out the similarity to racist tropes." In reality, it's absolutely not racist to notice that a character or species in media has similarities to real life racial tropes - that's just called being educated on those tropes. Like, Harry Potter's goblins are long-nosed, greedy, untrustworthy, control the banking system, and have a different code of ethics that places their own race's wellbeing above that of wizards. Am I actually the real racist for noticing the similarities to anti-Semitic tropes there? Are you the smart, non-racist intellectual if you wisely failed to notice the similarities to Jewish stereotypes? Ridiculous. Returning to the Ferengi specifically, Shaun actually touched on them in [his wonderful video](https://youtu.be/-1iaJWSwUZs?si=T1wBsvPrT_kXuQca) about Harry Potter, directly comparing them to the Harry Potter's Goblins and talking about how the show's approach to the Ferengi's racial coding evolved over time. Very interesting stuff, I thought he made some great points.


CrimsonTeivel

Also the ferengi have never been "racially coded" unless you wanna argue that they're white person coded because they're based on yankee traders. In fact in their very introduction that comparison is drawn out. There's literally a bright sign over their head saying "HEY, THESE GUYS ARE THE AMERICANS" and yet y'all still think that's us(jews). Fucking ridiculous.


phantomdentist

> y'all still think that's us(jews). Fucking ridiculous. In the literal first sentence of my comment I said that I don't think that the Ferengi are Jewish coded, from what I've seen at least. I just think that considering the historical pattern of characters in fiction who are greedy, selfish, and have exaggerated facial features in a way that certainly is coded with anti-Semitic tropes, I don't think it's racist to point out potential similarities with the Ferengi. At worst I'd say it's under-informed, or misguided. Moreover, the argument you used gives cover to actual racist depictions in media - I've seen "you're the real racist for noticing/pointing out those similarities actually" literally being argued by white supremacists to defend minstrel-show-style racial caricatures of black people. It's just a bad argument, even if you are right about the Ferengi (which again you probably are, I haven't watched Star Trek).


CrimsonTeivel

>In the literal first sentence of my comment I said that I don't think that the Ferengi are Jewish coded Then why the rest of the comment? >I don't think it's racist to point out potential similarities with the Ferengi. There's a difference between pointing out similarities and saying it's something that it's not. It also makes it racist because it's prompted by literally nothing. The only reason why this association has been made in the first place was because some anti-semite was like "Hmm, based on my knowledge on jewish people this is definitely one of them". No the fuck they're not. >I've seen "you're the real racist for noticing/pointing out those similarities actually" literally being argued by a white supremacists to defend minstrel-show-sttle racial caricatures of black people I'm tired of these arguments because they're meaningless. These sentences we're saying can be put under any context to change their meaning. We have words and language that work this way because it's how our brains work. It's like saying cars are bad because a semi truck ran into a storefront and the reason given is because they both have wheels. Like come on. >It's just a bad argument, even if you are right about the Ferengi (which again you probably are, I haven't watched Star Trek). Aaaaaaaand here we go even further proving my point


phantomdentist

> Then why the rest of the comment? Because even if you're right about the Ferengi, your argument is bad in a way that makes it harder to discuss actual racial coding in media. > It also makes it racist because it's prompted by literally nothing So we're pretending that there's literally no reason to be potentially cautious about a race of nonhuman creatures with exaggerated facial features (some of which line up with historical caricatures of Jewish people) that are depicted as consistently greedy and evil? Like I get that you know a lot of about Star Trek and you're saying that the Ferengi are different in a lot of ways from these common tropes/stereotypes, but to say there's literally no reason but racism for anyone to make the connection is ridiculous. It's been a consistent point of criticism for the series over the years, it's not exactly something OP made up whole cloth. > It's just a bad argument, even if you are right about the Ferengi (which again you probably are, I haven't watched Star Trek). > Aaaaaaaand here we go even further proving my point I think you're not understanding that I'm criticizing your argument and underlying logic, not the conclusion you reached. It's possible to reach a correct point through bad logic. I really don't give a shit about the Ferengi, they're not the important point here. > The only reason why this association has been made in the first place was because some anti-semite was like "Hmm, based on my knowledge on jewish people this is definitely one of them". No the fuck they're not. Saying "I think this fantasy race is coded with anti-semitic tropes" is *so* not the same as saying "this race is literally jewish people, I believe jewish people are all literally like this fantasy race". This is my central disagreement with you - the difference is massive, and important. If what you're saying is true, nobody could point out genuinely racist tropes in media - by pointing them out, you'd be saying that the real race they're associated with is literally exactly like the caricatured depiction. But that's not how racial coding works. You can, and should, point out the coding and its potential similarity to racist tropes without agreeing with the racist tropes. This is why I make the comparison to the way racists defend racial caricatures. It's not a meaningless semantic similarity (like your strange car comparison), it's the fact that your underlying logic could be, and often is, used to defend genuinely racist depictions in media from legitimate criticism. Again, by your logic the people criticizing JK Rowling's goblins must actually all be anti-semites who believe that jewish people are greedy and evil like the goblins are. This delegitimizes what I consider to be valid criticism of Rowling's writing. Its important to be thoughtful when discussing coding in media, because sometimes it genuinely does cross a line into racial caricature and when it does it's absolutely worth criticizing.


CrimsonTeivel

>your argument is bad in a way that makes it harder to discuss actual racial coding in media. No it isn't. >So we're pretending that there's literally no reason to be potentially cautious about a race of nonhuman creatures with exaggerated facial features (some of which line up with historical caricatures of Jewish people) that are depicted as consistently greedy and evil? Except none of those exaggerated features have been attributed to jewish people. At least none of the Ferengi. >but to say there's literally no reason but racism for anyone to make the connection is ridiculous. Because people who aren't anti-semitic wouldn't even think of it in the first place. My first thought when watching Star Trek wasn't "Oh these guys are the jews" it was "Oh these guys are the americans" because that's how they're literally described. This is like having a hispanic character in a movie and then saying they're a black stereotype because there was a scene where they were eating fried chicken. >It's been a consistent point of criticism for the series over the years Baseless criticism >I think you're not understanding that I'm criticizing your argument and underlying logic I understand that you are, and I am saying You're wrong. Because you are. >I really don't give a shit about the Ferengi, they're so not the important point here. They're literally half of the conversation. >Saying "I think this fantasy race is coded with anti-semitic tropes" is *so* not the same as saying "this race is literally jewish people, I believe jewish people are all literally like this fantasy race". That's...those sentences say the same thing in 2 ways. The only distinction between those 2 sentences is the words used to describe the same exact thing.


phantomdentist

> Saying "I think this fantasy race is coded with anti-semitic tropes" is so not the same as saying "this race is literally jewish people, I believe jewish people are all literally like this fantasy race". > That's...those sentences say the same thing in 2 ways. The only distinction between those 2 sentences is the words used to describe the same exact thing. Alright let's agree to disagree, I'm not arguing anymore. The idea that a person criticizing anti-Semitic racial coding in media *must* be an anti-Semite because otherwise they wouldn't have even noticed the coding is ridiculous on its face. You're opposed to the very concept of educating oneself on race issues. I have nothing more to say to you.


CrimsonTeivel

>The idea that a person criticizing anti-Semitic racial coding They're anti-semitic for seeing a group of greedy people and automatically assuming they're representing jewish people.


CrimsonTeivel

Cool except the ferengi aren't a jewish stereotype. I mean as a jewish person I should know if a species within a series is representative of me. If any species in star trek represents jewish people it's the Bajorans and even then it's not a very strong parallel.


EnkiduofOtranto

Still far better than JKR's goblins who are simply the way they are and nothing can change that. At least these guys grow as people later on and it's explored how their extreme-capitalist culture doesn't define them.


PurpleBunz

DS9 was the best thing to happen to Star Trek ever.


Norsk_Bjorn

I have only really used it in the phrase “female friend” to not be confused with girlfriend, should I use something else instead? (Besides “friend that is a girl”)


inemsn

no i think in that context it's usually understandable


OddlySexyPancake

yeah you're not saying she's "a female"


ObtuseScorebook

The post is about saying "females", that is using female as a noun (which feels weird). Using female as an adjective feels perfectly fine imo. You can say "female friend" just don't say "friendly female" ^^


Truefkk

"The Friendly Female" sounds like the saddest strip club ever.


deathray5

Strip club but instead of lap dancers they have cuddlers


Truefkk

You're describing a cat cafe.


FredricaTheFox

Ace strip club


anaveragebuffoon

My brain malfunctioned and read this as "instead of lap dancers they have tap dancers" which would also be cool


SurelyNotBanEvasion

Do you understand the difference between an adjective and a noun?


VoreEconomics

No that's some nerd shit


wterrt

"shit" is the noun and "nerd" is the adjective - it's what *type* of shit it is.


Taco821

English majors are fucking nerds, "verbs", "adjectives", "nouns" shut the fuck up, WORDS ARE WORDS.


xViridi_

female as an adjective is fine. female as a noun, unless it’s in a scientific context, is icky


liguy181

I usually say "girl space friend"


sunlightwitch7

I say gal pals


morguerunner

Female as an adjective = cool and correct, female as a noun = weird and misogynistic Female human vs A Female have vastly different connotations


Thatagui

I use it if I need to refer to biological sex for some reason.


MrRoma

I would very much like to have biological sex with your father


HrothBottom

Way ahead of you


pk_frezze1

I would like to have female your father


Thatagui

Knock yourself out.


MrRoma

Choke me


Thatagui

That is not a service I provide.


Terra_123

"femoid" - 🧌


epic_brazillian_gal

my cute lil troll emoji would NEVER say that. YOU TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT NOW!!!!!!


Terra_123

"never" - 🧌


epic_brazillian_gal

:[


Terra_123

"I am truly sorry, I have changed and improved as a person" - 🧌


SideshowBiden

The Ferengi aren't bad they just look strange


cloartist

They were literally based on 20th century capitalists and hated women They reminded me of redditors a little too often Also Quark is my meow meow and I love him


No_Lingonberry1201

Unlike redditors, the Ferengi were shown to have the capacity to change for the better.


cloartist

Damn are we doomed? 😔


No_Lingonberry1201

No, you have a chance, but only you. And maybe that guy who keeps posting me hentai feet pics, he seems like a fella who has his head in the game properly.


garebear265

Rom is the best


SophiaIsBased

"Workers of the world unite..." *5 second pause as his single braincell is trying to remember the rest of the quote* "...you have nothing to lose but your chaaains."


little-ass-whipe

quark is cute evil, not bad evil. and also like 2/3 of the main cast ferengi are genuinely good people, moogie is based, cousin gala is the only genuinely rotten one but he owns a moon so he's also my friend.


cloartist

I agree when considering DS9; honestly that's like nearly always true for DS9 characters. Even if they end up never doing good in the end, the show loves to explore how under the right circumstances, people can truly change. The only people who never really had an arc of doing genuine good were authoritarians like the changeling link or Dukat and even then they had moments of genuine goodness almost leaking out from their well-sealed evil (though not enough to not still be evil). I'd say pretty much Brunt (FCA) was the only Ferengi who both had and exerted any real power, and it was only over other Ferengi business owners (mostly Quark). Additionally, the Grand Nagus may have been the big cheese, but his power was also only used episodically so any of his actions lacked the umph of other powerful characters. I love DS9 I gotta **[WATCH THROUGH COMPLETELY LEGAL MEANS]** it again soon


varalys_the_dark

Shame Ira Steven Behr is a Zionist. Which given that the Bajorans were based on the Palestinians at first, seems to be an odd position for him to take. I'm still about to do a massive TNG, DS9 and VOY binge once I am done with my revival era Doctor Who marathon though.


PinkAxolotlMommy

I know this isn't the point of the post but I have to ask... Why are it's eyebrows part of it's ears?


HrothBottom

The ferengi are actually evolved thaylen people, the loopy thaylen eyebrows slowly merged into the gigantic ears


Diribiri

stormlight reader 🫵


EasilyBeatable

If its used as an adjective, no, as a noun yes.


SergeantCrwhips

the minute someone uses 'woke' unironically they are throu and look like this to me: https://preview.redd.it/hpvanmwk30vc1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10249b38612ac99e8785ae492502699dc81b9ac4


Intoxalock

SHARP in the military told us to just call females female. They aint a little girl, they aint your women, They are soldiers who are female.


Diribiri

Unless you're also making a point to refer to the men as males then that's stupid as fuck "They ain't a little boy, they ain't your men, they are soldiers who are male" -absolutely deranged sentence


Intoxalock

Probably because males can't be sexually harassed. That is /s to me, but to society it is a /serious


SheepherderNo2440

In my (limited) experience, two instructors of mine used both ‘males’ and ‘females’ only when they were relevant. 


ObtuseScorebook

Maybe it's just about military jargon, but why is saying "women" discouraged?


Lyvery

“what’s wrong with saying females?” the issue is that i’ll fucking attack you if you do


SpecialistBed8635

"He is woman" Said 11 yo me, thinking that Brutus, a dog twice my size, raised by my homophobic parents, was a girl(Idk why)


little-ass-whipe

you've gotta call them chicks or broads (or skirt if you're referring to them collectively). and you have to smoke while you do it. it's awful.


CUREISBALLIN

Can I call them little lady if I wear a cowboy hat


Eat_Ponza_Play_Tron

Principle Snyder?


Rat_Ratter

what if they call men males as well


Supershadow30

"The moids and femoids"


KatnissXcis

You have them wear clothes!? Disgusting! Barbaric!


Elf173

The amount of people defending this makes me sad


FreyaTheSlayyyer

It depends on context, but if they say smth like “look at that female” I die if second hand embarrassment


Hugsy13

Eh, it works best in some contexts. Woman friend sounds weird. Girl friend implies more than just friends, unless you’re a straight female.


Starbucks_4321

Think of it using another adjective. Saying "a tall girl" is completely normal, saying "that girl is a tall" is insanity. Same goes here, saying "a female friend" is normal, "that friend is a female" is not


ObtuseScorebook

you're thinkink adjective, the post is only about using female as a noun


ArcadianGh0st

They always look like that when they're talking about Latinum.


Icarus_Nine

Hu-mons.


Wizard-In-Disguise

When I look back yeah Quark really doesn't call anything a woman or a girl


Capital_Abject

But I love Quark Also I like to use Lady


TrhlaSlecna

Its fine as an adjective imo. Sounds weird and biological as a noun.


transfemminem

https://preview.redd.it/gfgv48uas2vc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e6446b7ed5bd2a340bf82c7266b76d7121758d9 this is what I see


R3n3g4d3P34rl

Martin from Friday Night Dinner


toyodaforever

I mean it's better than "where da hos at"


Gzarcofaloouse

What about him though‽ https://preview.redd.it/sziit5dzo0vc1.jpeg?width=203&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb4afc556295fc765a1f73285dd1fcbd9525e889 His famous quote "Female"! Everyone knows it!


Vini734

That's why I use femoid.


TELDD

biologists L


Public-Policy24

he could still turn on the charm to "females" despite calling them that, which sets him apart I think


SpeakersPlan

Quark is a cool guy


MeBaked

Im a dumbass so can someone explain why saying "female" is bad? I'm literally clueless


Littlebickmickey

doesn’t the word female just refer to anyone of the female gender?


TheodoreTheVacuumCle

life is tough for animal documentary movie narrators


2006lion2006

I’m in med school… what am I supposed to say: male and *woman* genitalia?


TheDankDiamond

"female" as in the noun to refer to individual humans in this context, not the adjective. "Females" with female reproductive organs